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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 23rd Sep 2022, 21:32
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Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2
The major problem with the Mosin is that the bolt design doesn't allow for rapid fire. But as a sniper or long range engagement weapon is is really very, very, good.
No its probably not even good for that they are old rifles, probably pretty worn out and have optic available for them is extremely limited numbers. You can upgrade them to take modern optics and night sights but its 600-700usd per rifle
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 21:32
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More Russian state Tv dross from a few that should be conscripable


Flash it’s all ok when the war is not on your doorstep but on TV, but when it comes home to roost and you realise you could be in the fridge trains in a few weeks time.
I personally do not have any sympathy for them, they ( most ) were not on the streets berating the leadership for invading Ukraine, and to be honest they still are not, they are rioting and marching against being conscripted, they up and till now have been happy with the war and stil appear to be.

glad you are safe and well.
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 21:58
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Flash itís all ok when the war is not on your doorstep but on TV, but when it comes home to roost and you realise you could be in the fridge trains in a few weeks time.
I personally do not have any sympathy for them, they ( most ) were not on the streets berating the leadership for invading Ukraine, and to be honest they still are not, they are rioting and marching against being conscripted, they up and till now have been happy with the war and stil appear to be.
I can only speak of the experience of my friends and former colleagues. If they had any choice it would be to revert to before the war. Not one has been gung-ho, like others in similar situations they have been beaten down into subdued submission. That submission is now turning into mild fear coupled with a growing resentment towards the West in some. Russia will never go back to the old days. That is for sure. It has turned a corner into unknown territory - even if the war ended tomorrow - ramifications will last decades for the country (and the world). I guess this may well be the major event of our lives.

glad you are safe and well.
Thanks, all OK (as well as can be in our circumstances).
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 22:01
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Got a call this morning from big US corporate I'm doing work for... I'm not in Russia for now but still use my custom [email protected] (near enough) email address for most stuff.
Nice lady says she is sorry but management have deemed the use of .ru email addresses a threat to the reputation of the business and could I use something else (like gmail) as they can't allow any correspondence to any .ru entity.
OK, I agreed, but afterwards thought.. this is going way way beyond what I imagined.
Other news... Friends in Moscow many are quite scared naturally, some even that I thought would shrug off much of this. One or two are leaving (Georgia) but vast majority staying put. My old secretary (iron lady) is freaking out and I'm trying to calm her down almost as we speak.
​​​​The joys of Putin's Russia. Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 22:20
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Originally Posted by rattman
No its probably not even good for that they are old rifles, probably pretty worn out and have optic available for them is extremely limited numbers. You can upgrade them to take modern optics and night sights but its 600-700usd per rifle
Possibly the Russian stock are in ess aitch one tea ee order.

However, having fired my friend's Mosin on numerous occasions I stand by what I say.

I can put all the rounds in the V Bull at 1000 yds (that's about the width of a man's shoulders) using the stock open sights.

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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 22:45
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People who think as you do are the ones who will start World War III. Preventing World War III is in the interest of mankind. Thankfully, some of our other contributors have explained the details.
Perhaps one could say just the same about you and your way of thinking. Putin is a chancer, just as Adolf was. He thought that the West would stand back and simply buy his gas while he busied himself with invading and ravaging the Ukraine. Turns out he was wrong. He now needs to know (or strongly suspect) that if he resorts to using a nuclear weapon of any description anywhere, then Russia will suffer the same. If he suspects that won't happen, then he may just take that chance to dig himself out of the deep hole he has dug himself into. Hitler was ready to recall his troops if any attempt was made to repel them in 1936 when he invaded the Rhineland in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Nothing happened, nor in Austria, and Czechoslovakia was handed to him on a plate. The rest as they say is history. It was branded appeasement and those who supported it could be said to have started WWII (in Europe anyway) rather than those like Churchill who urged early action. A plot to overthrow Hitler was stillborn thanks to that defeatist stance. Bullies have to be stood up to, in the playground and in the real world. To not do so simply means things get worse, much worse, and very quickly.
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 22:54
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Originally Posted by flash8
I can only speak of the experience of my friends and former colleagues. If they had any choice it would be to revert to before the war. Not one has been gung-ho, like others in similar situations they have been beaten down into subdued submission. That submission is now turning into mild fear coupled with a growing resentment towards the West in some. Russia will never go back to the old days. That is for sure. It has turned a corner into unknown territory - even if the war ended tomorrow - ramifications will last decades for the country (and the world). I guess this may well be the major event of our lives.

Thanks, all OK (as well as can be in our circumstances).
While I feel for your friends, they stood by and elected Putin and after his term, stood by and watched Putin elect himself President come dictator, the West never did this, the Russian public did, they allowed Putin and his cronies to rob and subjugate the population, the West did not produce Putin, Russians did, and to be honest they are reaping what they sowed. I agree as things stand things will not return to normal, the only way Russians will ever begin to restore that trust is to revolt and cast off Putin, the oligarchs and the Dumas and restore trust in the country.

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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 22:57
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Originally Posted by Pali
Aviation content, A321 cockpit with "INOP" stickers...

Not sure if this is the correct thread but this is what war brought to Russia.

https://twitter.com/relaxinallcool/s...40197269688321

but at least they have an apparent plentiful supply of INOP stickers. Don't need crew if they do much more breakages.
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Old 24th Sep 2022, 00:30
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
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The Russians made it clear they were talking about using them on the west and BPF put it better, and even if they used it in Ukraine it would effect the west and I believe trigger article 5.



The only way you will ever prevent WW3 is to let the other side know that if they ever use a nuclear weapon we will respond in kind, it is that principal that has kept the Genie in the bottle all these years, without that assumed mutual destruction preventing the other side using nuclear weapons you are inviting Armageddon.

Having been on QRA with live weapons, as other on here no doubt have, the thought of ever launching them was frightening, but it was reassuring to know that we never would do that unless the other side did first, and one assumes that they viewed it the same way.

That and that alone is the only thing keeping the lid on them and long may it remain, no one wins.
Hence I stand by what I said, the only response is an equal responseÖ saying we would launch a full blown conventional attack on Russia and all its bases WOULD bring on WW3 regardless.

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Spot on, lines have to be drawn, and giving any doubt to the enemy and the rest of the world that nuclear weapons can be used against a totally unaggressive country, let alone in OUR part of the world, Europe, is dangerous, how many country's would go for the bomb. Its a miracle there's only a handful of country's that HAVE gone nuclear in the last 50 years.
And thankful yet jarring knowing a few have given up on there programs/weapons. Brazil,South africa etc. The fact the uk,usa promised ukraine its protection in renouncing its thousands of nukes and trained forces is a big deal here. Budapest Memorandum. By all accounts we have them let them down, faced by that promise. you cant go by half measures forever, "give an inch", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areas_annexed_by_Germany. we've been lucky in the last generations since then. sacrifices have been made, how many pilots do you all know who have died, training, keeping the peace. I do fear that we clearly have became to cushy in Europe, our governments have cut away again and again gambling on alliances, Nato, and trident. Our grandfathers & fathers are watching, history is watching, and its no time to appease anymore.

Theres some civilizations you cant help, unsolvable. alien. Afgan, china, but the Ukrainians have shown they as we thought willing to take unspeakable pain, take bloody nose. For freedom, to better there society. to be our mates. and you gota put yourself out there for your mates. they've been holding the line. yes they have corruption, but a big deal of this is they want to escape that. and you gona stand by while putin rapes and nukes there country, sending animals of men, the worst of the worst to do his bidding. we've staved off ukraines total collapse this far,
(Bucha) how many did we help stop, those javalins and Nlaws, kept them in the fight, to be cowed now.





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Old 24th Sep 2022, 00:37
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Originally Posted by Chugalug2
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Perhaps one could say just the same about you and your way of thinking. Putin is a chancer, just as Adolf was. He thought that the West would stand back and simply buy his gas while he busied himself with invading and ravaging the Ukraine. Turns out he was wrong. He now needs to know (or strongly suspect) that if he resorts to using a nuclear weapon of any description anywhere, then Russia will suffer the same. If he suspects that won't happen, then he may just take that chance to dig himself out of the deep hole he has dug himself into. Hitler was ready to recall his troops if any attempt was made to repel them in 1936 when he invaded the Rhineland in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Nothing happened, nor in Austria, and Czechoslovakia was handed to him on a plate. The rest as they say is history. It was branded appeasement and those who supported it could be said to have started WWII (in Europe anyway) rather than those like Churchill who urged early action. A plot to overthrow Hitler was stillborn thanks to that defeatist stance. Bullies have to be stood up to, in the playground and in the real world. To not do so simply means things get worse, much worse, and very quickly.
precisely
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Originally Posted by Chugalug2
Hitler was ready to recall his troops if any attempt was made to repel them in 1936 when he invaded the Rhineland in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Nothing happened, nor in Austria, and Czechoslovakia was handed to him on a plate. The rest as they say is history. It was branded appeasement and those who supported it could be said to have started WWII (in Europe anyway) rather than those like Churchill who urged early action.
I don't think it was that simple

I think that Chamberlain knew exactly what he was doing when he held up the "piece of paper" - he knew we weren't ready and was prepared to sacrifice his reputation in an attempt to buy us enough time to make ourselves ready. And fortunately it worked ... just
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Old 24th Sep 2022, 04:31
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Back in military topic, we"ve learned now what the partial mobilization really means:
mobilizing partially capable, giving them partial training, equipping them with part of the kit, giving them part of the ammo and making then partially combat ready. Eventually only part of them make it to the front, being then parted by Urainian army.

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Old 24th Sep 2022, 05:54
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based on this video the mobilized troops will have a training of two weeks prior to sending to units (which most probably means the front). Also, they are told that they won't be coming home until the Special Military Cockup is over.
They don't seem very enthusiastic about it either.



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Well the mobilization adds a new equation to the things, best case scenario for the Russians, they can take back the tactical advantage.
However it will just be a grind. we are going on the partial mobilization Russian news as face value. and there already hiding in plain sight with that redacted paragraph.
covert mobilizations been going on for a while now, now its partial,public, is it really just 200000-300000 being drafted this week, its a big country.
Its a wait and see moment, the lead time on arming them up i see is a topic.
Have they been bluffing with keeping tanks & equipment back. will the 2nd wave troops be backed up with new stuff?
Fact they started sending T-62s at one point was crazy, equivalent of centurions. Are they truly scraping the barrel, or just scraping the barrel of the first line/wave troops.

It seems like they have learnt one thing with the drones now from Iran, that part of warfare's changed. who knows what chess pieces we haven't scene. The phrase pawn sacrifice come to mind.

There has to be some elite troops they have been holding back, and can still be used, the withdrawal of units around and amongst the western military districts has been noted.
Can the bayraktars,Himars, newly acquired t-90(russia), t-80s, Hinds & fresh western trained Ukrainian troops now entering the mix, handle whats to come.
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New views of the Kherson






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Left by forced conscripted Ukrainians?

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https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...kraine-regions

"We will work with our allies and partners to impose additional swift and severe economic costs on Russia."
Swift..

Fruition's of the recent summit
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Worrysome if true.


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Imagine being handed one of these and told to go to the front line.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1573591907447574530



https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1573591907447574530

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573582019979841536
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Sometimes it feels like sabotage from the inside.
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