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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 17th Sep 2022, 05:36
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Thus tweet reminds me of the Soviet paranoia on maps: The SU was full of military installations, and they were paranoid that maps could be used against them by pinning the locations and sending the maps to the arch enemy. So to make sure that the maps could not be used against them, all the maps were distorted by stretching them in different ways and even replacing rivers or lakes on the map prior to publication. Problem solved, n'est-ce pas? Actually... no. The distortion itself gave up the military sites, the more distorted the map the more important military installation was nearby.
This was continued all the way to the bitter end despite the fact that western satellites had already mapped the entire USSR multiple times. The sheer magnitude of Russian paranoia and craziness is just staggering. And it has been so since the dawn of man and seems to continue till the end of time.

And now the great Russian army is apparently using those maps. No wonder they are constantly hitting civilians if they use those distorted and outdated maps.


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Old 17th Sep 2022, 05:48
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Thus tweet reminds me of the Soviet paranoia on maps
When I worked on an oil exploration project in the Komi Republic in the early 90s, all the Russian maps had fake coordinates based on a local datum and there was no way to accurately determine the absolute location of the oil wells. Prior to the break up of the Soviet Union, the KGB looked after all the maps, which were locked up in their safes at night.

We contracted a Canadian survey company to provide GPS coordinates, using post-survey processing of the observations, because this was when Selective Availability was still used to dither civilian GPS signals.

When flying to Moscow in the Russian oil company's VIP Yak-40, one of our party showed the pilots a NatGeo map of Russia. They were fascinated. They had never seen anything like it! I think they didn't have any maps and just navigated from beacon to beacon or were given radar vectors.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 06:34
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Thus tweet reminds me of the Soviet paranoia on maps: The SU was full of military installations, and they were paranoid that maps could be used against them by pinning the locations and sending the maps to the arch enemy. So to make sure that the maps could not be used against them, all the maps were distorted by stretching them in different ways and even replacing rivers or lakes on the map prior to publication. Problem solved, n'est-ce pas? Actually... no. The distortion itself gave up the military sites, the more distorted the map the more important military installation was nearby.
This was continued all the way to the bitter end despite the fact that western satellites had already mapped the entire USSR multiple times. The sheer magnitude of Russian paranoia and craziness is just staggering. And it has been so since the dawn of man and seems to continue till the end of time.

And now the great Russian army is apparently using those maps. No wonder they are constantly hitting civilians if they use those distorted and outdated maps.

https://twitter.com/iameurmishvili/s...03553789362179
Interesting information. The suggestion in the tweet should be judiciously considered, I would suggest. Russian ground forces may well be using old road atalses for navigation, but that must not be used as an excuse for the widespread and ongoing targeting of Ukrainian civilians.

The tweet may well be entirely innocent, or it may be an example of carefully crafted propaganda.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 07:35
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Claims that Wagner is recruiting people to block NATO movements (whatever they mean by that) and "to solve other problems" (previously that's meant dirty underwear and strong tea).


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Old 17th Sep 2022, 07:45
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Claims that Wagner is recruiting people to block NATO movements (whatever they mean by that) and "to solve other problems" (previously that's meant dirty underwear and strong tea).
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...88948456783872
Smells like desperation, last stage...
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 08:20
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Humour in the office keeps you going faster


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Old 17th Sep 2022, 10:25
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Extract from a BBC report:

Mr Putin said he was not in a hurry, and the offensive in Ukraine's Donbas region remains on track.

He also noted that Russia had so far not deployed its full forces.

"Our offensive operation in the Donbas is not stopping. They're moving forward - not at a very fast pace - but they are gradually taking more and more territory,"

He seems pretty confident! Does he know something we don't know, or do we know something he doesn't know?
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 11:03
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Originally Posted by FUMR
Extract from a BBC report:

Mr Putin said he was not in a hurry, and the offensive in Ukraine's Donbas region remains on track.

He also noted that Russia had so far not deployed its full forces.

"Our offensive operation in the Donbas is not stopping. They're moving forward - not at a very fast pace - but they are gradually taking more and more territory,"

He seems pretty confident! Does he know something we don't know, or do we know something he doesn't know?
He may be using a GRU map to keep on track? I think there is a more certain trajectory in his future, assisted by the principia of Sir Isaac Newton.

He has some "hard" decisions in his near future. Kazakh's are starting to get uppity, and Chechnya seems to be running towards a change of heart, having publicly stated that the police can shoot any Russian military or police that enter Chechen territory without prior permission. It's not like Russia has that many smart munitions left to go target their dissafected and dispossessed. Having broken the VVS and much of the RW combat capability, they may have need for lots of Iranian drones top quell the borders. Sounds like a good time to buy shares in Raytheon Defence.




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Old 17th Sep 2022, 11:42
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Originally Posted by FUMR
Extract from a BBC report:

Mr Putin said he was not in a hurry, and the offensive in Ukraine's Donbas region remains on track.
He is probably right, a lot of his tracked offensive in the Donbas is indeed making great strides into Ukrainian rear territory, all be it being towed behind tractors.

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Old 17th Sep 2022, 12:19
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Igor Girkin is shocked by the success of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Says Ukraine completely won the battle for the initiative and Russians won't have it back until they repel another Ukrainian offensive.

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Old 17th Sep 2022, 18:15
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Thus tweet reminds me of the Soviet paranoia on maps: The SU was full of military installations, and they were paranoid that maps could be used against them by pinning the locations and sending the maps to the arch enemy. So to make sure that the maps could not be used against them, all the maps were distorted by stretching them in different ways and even replacing rivers or lakes on the map prior to publication. Problem solved, n'est-ce pas? Actually... no. The distortion itself gave up the military sites, the more distorted the map the more important military installation was nearby.
This was continued all the way to the bitter end despite the fact that western satellites had already mapped the entire USSR multiple times. The sheer magnitude of Russian paranoia and craziness is just staggering. And it has been so since the dawn of man and seems to continue till the end of time.

And now the great Russian army is apparently using those maps. No wonder they are constantly hitting civilians if they use those distorted and outdated maps.

https://twitter.com/iameurmishvili/s...03553789362179
Didn't the Luftwaffe in WW2 use the Baedeker tourist guides to select targets during the Blitz?
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 18:32
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Didn't the Luftwaffe in WW2 use the Baedeker tourist guides to select targets during the Blitz?
...and part of the planning for Operation Overlord was to get the public to send in holiday photos so they could build a composite picture of what the coastline looked like
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 20:27
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Fighting going on in the centre of Kherson cityÖ.

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Amphibious operations and a close call.

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Some lengthy and high quality urban combat footage of US and UK guys fighting with the Ukrainians. There are a series of similar videos on the same YouTube account.

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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Amphibious operations and a close call.



https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...CxgZnLiM4rAAAA
The soldier at the end of the video hears a single strike and says 'USA' and is happy for that. HIMARS or Excaliber would be my guess. No wasted shots....
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Old 18th Sep 2022, 03:06
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On 8 January 2020, Iran kills by negligence 176 on Ukraine International PS-752. A civilian plane, departing a civil airport. 30 month later, with zero contrition, Iran provides drones for Russia to kill Ukrainian civilians. So much for moral high ground of a religious state.
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I remember the outright lies and denials from the Iranian government over this shootdown. They eventually, reluctantly, admitted responsibility when it became clear the evidence was incontrovertible. Shameful.

Again, had it not been for the West, the lies would have prevailed. They share common traits with their Russian "friends".
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Blimey, a Peugeot 206 technical, I bet the factory never envisioned this puppy.


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