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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 21st Sep 2022, 22:35
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A possible reason why Russia has pulled their subs etc out of Sevastopol, Ukrainian remote suicide boats..

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...in-sevastopol/
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 23:19
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More emerging about freed hostages. The Bird is free too, as is the pregnant Medic.

As part of prisoner exchange, Viktor Medvedchuk, Putin's right-hand man in Ukraine was swapped for Azovstal defenders, including commanders Dmytro "Volyna" Volontyrets and Svyatoslav "Kalyna" Palamar.
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 01:08
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Classic, a couple of Russians telling the camera they are Pro Russia and intend to go to Ukraine tomorrow to fight etc, BUT they don’t look happy when the Russian police are forcibly loading them onto a bus the same night.



https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...65542892457985
That is karma,.



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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 01:14
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Allegedly the 55 russians
Colonel general.

Mayor.

6 junior officers.

4 ensigns.

40 sergeants and privates.

3 DNR and LNR.

Medvedchuk.

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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 01:19
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
A possible reason why Russia has pulled their subs etc out of Sevastopol, Ukrainian remote suicide boats..

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...in-sevastopol/
In contrast to the Moskva which was a suicide non-remote boat.

Would think that using a RIB form would give a higher probability of getting through to the target by reduced signature. plonk the bang under the flotation chambers, and apply liberal flat plate RAM panels over the engines way down low. If it keeps the Russian Navy sunbathing is Sochi and Novo, it is a good move.

As far as "cavitation" goes, Kilo's aren't gonna do that for very long by choice, even in such miserable acoustic conditions as the Black Sea. There needs to be enough ensonofication of the waters there to give the sonar operators tinnitus.

Russia's threat is enough justification to get down and maintaining attack solutions on every boat in the Black Sea, same with anything out of Petra or Polyarny, and tracking everything that passes the straits of Denmark.

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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 01:39
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Originally Posted by albatross
Perhaps all these former pro-military operation supporters who, upon being told to report for training and service, are now departing at max speed to a “safe place” can be referred to as “Patriot Missiles”.
Putins exit strategy

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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 04:38
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This ones good, Russians are welcoming home a RUaF pilot as part of POW exchange claiming he shot down 87 UKR Frogfoots'. Ukraine only had 17 to begin with


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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 05:18
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Originally Posted by Beamr
This ones good, Russians are welcoming home a RUaF pilot as part of POW exchange claiming he shot down 87 UKR Frogfoots'. Ukraine only had 17 to begin with
Thats a photoshop / troll victor medevchevs face is a photoshopped into the picture, Hes not a pilot
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 06:22
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Good well researched information…

Brief thread to share some insights from our previous research on what to expect the Russian mobilization system to produce.
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 07:10
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https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/...-over-ukraine/

Success denied: Finding ground truth in the air war over Ukraine
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 08:19
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Putin has really isolated himself, now even North Korea declines selling ammunition to Russia.

BBC: North Korea denies supplying weapons to Russia
North Korea says it has never sold weapons to Russia and has no plans to do so in the future, following US reports that Moscow was turning to Pyongyang to replenish stockpiles.

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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 08:36
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"Question: how many nukes did Ukraine keep after 1991? Does Russia really think that all nukes were handed over in the utterly abysmal, shambolic transfer of devices following the morally bankrupt treaty that Russia entered into to maintain and defend the integrity of Ukraine, along with the rest of the world that was a party to the sell-out of Ukraine at that time? I suspect that not every bucket was returned to the shelf. Would be quietly happy to see Ukraine be provided facility to end Russia and specifically "the Dumma", those that have enabled Vlad."
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After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Ukraine held about one third of the Soviet nuclear arsenal, the third largest in the world at the time, as well as significant means of its[u] design and production.[2] (my bold) 130 UR-100N intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) with six warheads each, 46 RT-23 Molodets ICBMs with ten warheads apiece, as well as 33 heavy bombers, totaling approximately 1,700 warheads remained on Ukrainian territory.[3] Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.[4] In 1994, Ukraine agreed to destroy the weapons, and to join the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT).[5][6]


Ukrainians are most inventive! Could there be enough parts left over to assemble a number of warheads...? Can't help but think putin's bridge would be an ideal ^first^ target.

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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 08:42
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Originally Posted by rattman
Thats a photoshop / troll victor medevchevs face is a photoshopped into the picture, Hes not a pilot
i think its a sarcastic comment regarding the swap of 200 azoz regiment for Putins mate.
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 08:45
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https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/2...e-kept-nuclear

Ukraine could not have kept the nuclear warheads even if it wanted to
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Originally Posted by ORAC
https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/...-over-ukraine/

Success denied: Finding ground truth in the air war over Ukraine
Indeed ...
a force structure centered predominately on manned aircraft, creating a situation where the force is too costly to risk and too small to sustain losses during a prolonged war of attrition.
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 09:11
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Originally Posted by Dead on Time
Can't help but think putin's bridge would be an ideal ^first^ target.
I doubt it would take a special weapon to bring down that bridge. For now, the consensus seems to be that it's better left in place, as an exit route for the occupiers.
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 09:14
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I doubt it would take a special weapon to bring down that bridge. For now, the consensus seems to be that it's better left in place, as an exit route for the occupiers.
They should just target the right hand carriageway so that it can only be used for leaving Crimea, and not for bringing in reinforcements.





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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 09:25
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So can Putin still survive this?

It would seem his only hope is to placate internationally and deceive domestically.

By withdrawing to the pre-2014 borders, he stops the war in its tracks - his referenda could be used to show overwhelming support in the regions for UKR sovereignty (which is probably true anyway).

On that basis he could claim a victory over the 'nazis' in the region and respect for the sovereignty of UKR whilst in reality he skulks back to his own borders and licks his wounds.

He could also claim that his partial mobilisation was the threat that finally persuaded the West to back down so he could safely withdraw from UKR.

It would be a tricky sell to the Russian public but they mostly seem to believe what they are told to believe.
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 09:37
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Originally Posted by ORAC
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/2...e-kept-nuclear

Ukraine could not have kept the nuclear warheads even if it wanted to
The refurbishment requirement is understood, yes, tritrium has a half life and needs to be replaced for serviceability. These were fabricated in various locations in the CIS states, missiles were produced in Ukraine. Personally, I would be quite happy to learn that Ukraine had put away a few warheads for a rainy day, rather than rely on the feckless assertions that were made by Russia, and us in the West over protecting the sovereign territory of Ukraine compensating for the removal of the devices that Ukraine had come by in the collapse of the USSR. If Ukraine had kept a couple, and had replenished the tritrium, I would be quietly impressed. They don't need a weapons program to do that, they need a refurbishment program, and how many Russian scientists were available on the market with that skill set post 2014?

It may be improbable, but is it impossible?

Right now, (to head off the outcry's...) we have a terrorist state that has thousands of nukes in highly questionable condition that are being used as a threat towards a sovereign state that has been terrorised and abused by Putin; Putin additionally now threatens the UK and various and sundry other states. That is the real world that we live in today. happy thought for the day.



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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 09:51
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Considering there have been a number Russian puppets in charge of Ukraine at times since independence I think it vanishingly unlikely they have a secret stockpile of nukes anywhere.
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