Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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If they have indeed used chemical weapons, I thought that was the red flag for the west to intervene?
Re build up near Finland, wasn’t there something about possible Western guarantee’s prior to NATO enrolment? Though he is struggling in Ukraine so a second front would dilute his force’s? Still the threat is at least tying up Russian forces.
Re build up near Finland, wasn’t there something about possible Western guarantee’s prior to NATO enrolment? Though he is struggling in Ukraine so a second front would dilute his force’s? Still the threat is at least tying up Russian forces.
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Here it is
https://abcnews.go.com/International...-join-83912486
The military organization might also be ready to provide security guarantees to the countries if any potential membership bid angers Russia, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...manys-approval
"he believed that Ukrainian personnel with certain unspecified existing skill sets could be trained to operate a Leopard 1 in a timeframe measured in days. "You have to be trained a bit more intensively on the Leopard 1. But if the Ukrainians want the tank, a way should be found,"
"he believed that Ukrainian personnel with certain unspecified existing skill sets could be trained to operate a Leopard 1 in a timeframe measured in days. "You have to be trained a bit more intensively on the Leopard 1. But if the Ukrainians want the tank, a way should be found,"
If Russia has in fact used Chemical weapons against Ukraine Civilians......what should the World's reaction to that be Crime Against Humanity?
Can we just turn a blind eye to it.....just wag some tongues but take no action?
If that is what happens....then what will Putin and his Thugs think they can get away with?
Can we just turn a blind eye to it.....just wag some tongues but take no action?
If that is what happens....then what will Putin and his Thugs think they can get away with?
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I have been reluctant so far to agree with NATO direct action but Putin will just keep pushing the envelope until NATO really has no choice so I think now is the time to act. NATO must demonstrate strength as well as unity. Locate and totally destroy a column of Russian armour in Ukraine with stand off weapons, then tell Putin there is much more to come if necessary.
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If Russia has in fact used Chemical weapons against Ukraine Civilians......what should the World's reaction to that be Crime Against Humanity?
Can we just turn a blind eye to it.....just wag some tongues but take no action?
If that is what happens....then what will Putin and his Thugs think they can get away with?
Can we just turn a blind eye to it.....just wag some tongues but take no action?
If that is what happens....then what will Putin and his Thugs think they can get away with?
Putin can do whatever he wants - NATO is far too afraid of him to lift a finger, and he knows that.
If he has used chemical weapons to slaughter children, nothing will change. NATO and the West will be judged as the people who simply watched.
All the organisations set up to prevent exactly this happing again - a re-run of Hitler's aggression and expansion - are going to stand by with plenty of platitudes and no action.
Agree with the idea of stand-off weapons to destroy the Russian armour wherever it is in Ukraine.
Agree with the idea of stand-off weapons to destroy the Russian armour wherever it is in Ukraine.
With all the revelations about how easy it has been for money to travel from Russia to be washed in the rest of the world, one has to wonder how many senior people in every country have somehow been tainted by association or even directly bribed - it might explain some of the reluctance to act directly if Putin has the threat of exposing financial irregularities over their heads.
After all, the majority of politicians are in the game for wealth, power and influence - see our present lot for a prime example.
After all, the majority of politicians are in the game for wealth, power and influence - see our present lot for a prime example.
France - mid March E 300 million gift plus unspecified tonnage of fuel, 60 tonnes humanitarian aid to Moldova and Poland
NL - E 20 million, sniper-rifles, helmets, Manpads
Be - 3 800 tonnes fuel, 2 000 smg, 3 000 assault rifles
Italy - E 110 million gift plus unspecified military equipment
Ireland E 20 million ( noticed while searching that Ireland spends about 0.28% on defence.)+
There may be other donations, but too difficult to search everything
NL - E 20 million, sniper-rifles, helmets, Manpads
Be - 3 800 tonnes fuel, 2 000 smg, 3 000 assault rifles
Italy - E 110 million gift plus unspecified military equipment
Ireland E 20 million ( noticed while searching that Ireland spends about 0.28% on defence.)+
There may be other donations, but too difficult to search everything
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All the organisations set up to prevent exactly this happing again - a re-run of Hitler's aggression and expansion - are going to stand by with plenty of platitudes and no action.
I have been reluctant so far to agree with NATO direct action but Putin will just keep pushing the envelope until NATO really has no choice so I think now is the time to act. NATO must demonstrate strength as well as unity. Locate and totally destroy a column of Russian armour in Ukraine with stand off weapons, then tell Putin there is much more to come if necessary.
I keep saying this but if Putin wishes to escalate to pull in NATO, then there's literally nothing stopping him (at least from a military perspective). Why cobble together some half-assed chemical attack when he could easily strike a target in Poland or Romania i.e. a direct provocation? His behaviour to date suggests he's willing to push the envelope to a degree, but appears wary about over-stepping the mark, no doubt aware that NATO could sweep his forces from Ukraine without breaking sweat.
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You could argue targeting those nitric acid tanks to release a vapour over the country side is chemical warfare as well
One hope this is correct
100 tanks delivered from Poland.
It also appears a nasty accident befell a railbridge in Russia from Belogrod to Ukraine
That should slow up support.
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One hope this is correct
100 tanks delivered from Poland.It also appears a nasty accident befell a railbridge in Russia from Belogrod to Ukraine
That should slow up support.
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If this chemical attack is confirmed and if NATO does act (big if), a strike on the unit which launched the attack would be much more proportionate and appropriate IMO. I understand the chemicals were allegedly dispensed from a drone so either strike the unit itself or, if they are operating from an airfield, the base itself.
I keep saying this but if Putin wishes to escalate to pull in NATO, then there's literally nothing stopping him (at least from a military perspective). Why cobble together some half-assed chemical attack when he could easily strike a target in Poland or Romania i.e. a direct provocation? His behaviour to date suggests he's willing to push the envelope to a degree, but appears wary about over-stepping the mark, no doubt aware that NATO could sweep his forces from Ukraine without breaking sweat.
I keep saying this but if Putin wishes to escalate to pull in NATO, then there's literally nothing stopping him (at least from a military perspective). Why cobble together some half-assed chemical attack when he could easily strike a target in Poland or Romania i.e. a direct provocation? His behaviour to date suggests he's willing to push the envelope to a degree, but appears wary about over-stepping the mark, no doubt aware that NATO could sweep his forces from Ukraine without breaking sweat.
The Ukraine President has been begging for Mig-29's and more capable Air Defense systems from NATO....why should this Chemical Attack by means of a drone not be a perfect justification for that to take place?
In the meanwhile....back at the Ranch....President Biden yesterday issued a new Rule for the ATF to impose that would make "Ghost Guns" illegal.
But.....made no public mention or took no action re the Chemical Attack.
Those who have posted about the lack of effective response to yet another War Crime, this one involving the use of Chemical Weapons, seem to be on target themselves.
In the meanwhile....back at the Ranch....President Biden yesterday issued a new Rule for the ATF to impose that would make "Ghost Guns" illegal.
But.....made no public mention or took no action re the Chemical Attack.
Those who have posted about the lack of effective response to yet another War Crime, this one involving the use of Chemical Weapons, seem to be on target themselves.
