Is Ukraine about to have a war?

[NutLoose]

I would imagine he would want totally and utterly 100% proof they were used, the trouble is if they were used in Maruipol then getting that proof will be nigh on impossible as it will have dispersed and those effected and the area it was used in may well be in Russian hands by now. I suppose Russian radio chatter confirming it might be enough, they appear to be stupid enough the boast about it.

BTW It appears the UK also sent Martlet missiles to Ukraine ( in secret ) and it has been filmed taking out a Russian UAV

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[GlobalNav]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

With all the revelations about how easy it has been for money to travel from Russia to be washed in the rest of the world, one has to wonder how many senior people in every country have somehow been tainted by association or even directly bribed - it might explain some of the reluctance to act directly if Putin has the threat of exposing financial irregularities over their heads.

After all, the majority of politicians are in the game for wealth, power and influence - see our present lot for a prime example.

Perhaps this is true or partly true. Yet I tend to believe that the astute ones among them are also painfully aware of the complexity of consequences that could arise with actions we want to see. Leaders, politicians or not, are accountable for the welfare of their people and aware of the awful costs that intervention will have..

That said. Personally I want a coalition of western forces to step in, in spite of Putin’s threats and even past atrocities in Syria. Step in now and bear the cost. They will not diminish with delayed action and are inevitable as Putin will continue if not thwarted.

[NutLoose]

I agree, If we were to do anything, simply use drones or cruise missiles to stop Russian advances in their tracks, remove their supply back up system and remove their artillery from the equation from within Ukraine borders., the only problem being with the amount of manpads on the Ukrainian side, friendly shoot downs are inevitable unless coordinated well.

[Ninthace]

Only 3 casualties reported, no deaths in the chemical attack I believe. Was it just a suck it and see raid to gauge the West's reaction?

[Tartiflette Fan]

Originally Posted by Ninthace

Only 3 casualties reported, no deaths in the chemical attack I believe. Was it just a suck it and see raid to gauge the West's reaction?

Who can tell, but just delivering a small amount of weak tear-gas (? ) seems far too tentative for this regime

[jolihokistix]

Originally Posted by tartare

Was reading about the Battle of Kursk last night.
A lot of the action took place near Kharkiv... and in July.
It's looking like this spring and summer may also be a meat-grinder of dreadful proportions.

Following this post I went to our friend Wiki and read up on Kursk. Hundreds of thousands killed. It has stayed in my mind since, as I think it must be occupying some Russian commanders’ minds.

Facing the plains, both sides must have been keeping things in reserve over the past six weeks.

[Expatrick]

Originally Posted by jolihokistix

Following this post I went to our friend Wiki and read up on Kursk. Hundreds of thousands killed. It has stayed in my mind since, as I think it must be occupying some Russian commanders’ minds.

4 battles for Kharkiv, '41 - 43.

[uxb99]

I see a lot of posts on twitter saying this piece of Russian kit failed to explode or, this piece of NATO kit was deployed by Ukraine.
Isn't this akin to the BBC gaff telling the Argentinians their bombs weren't exploding?
If the enemy is failing don't tell them. If we have sent secret kit it's secret for a reason.

[Tartiflette Fan]

Originally Posted by jolihokistix

F as I think it must be occupying some Russian commanders’ minds.

Do you not think these thoughts will reinforce the notion that " keep pushing in more and more tanks/troops and finally you win " ?

[macmp419]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

It also appears a nasty accident befell a railbridge in Russia from Belogrod to Ukraine

That should slow up support.

https://twitter.com/tvtoront/status/1513804402603274247

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Another explosion heard in Belgorod this afternoon and something under pressure venting to atmosphere.

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Edit to add that there is nothing sensitive in the footage.

[Geriaviator]

Originally Posted by uxb99

If the enemy is failing don't tell them. If we have sent secret kit it's secret for a reason.

But of course we haven't sent anything other than humanitarian aid. Just as Russia hasn't sent anything other than a liberating force

[Spunky Monkey]

Could it be that it was the spillage of an industrial chemical?
Not sure how Putes would deliver a chemical agent in an area like that. In Syria his puppets would drop it in barrels from a Helicopter.
They aren't going to be that stupid to try and hover a heli over Ukrainian territory.

I hope there are saner voices than on PPrune throughout NATO.
Putes is messing this up plenty well enough that we just need to keep supplying kit.
Yes we could have a victory in 72 hours, however it could all be over 2 hours after that.

If we are to do anything, it has to have plausible deniability.
Or do something outrageous and say - "It wasn't us."

[sycamore]

This situation is rather like watching the local `hooligans`tearing up a `high street` near you,beating up old folk,and all we do is give them a few `handbags and sticks to defend themselves...!!!
Personally I`d start by sending a couple of dozen `cruisers North` to take out the RuAF/RuNAF,and associated airfields...It would also stop the `civvy` traffic.Then a `no fly zone` around it.....
NAVIGATION TRAINING ERROR..SORRY....

[Sue Vêtements]

. . . or just put the word "Special" in front of anything we do

[Wokkafans]

Ukraine secret service says it has arrested top Putin ally

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...fs-2022-04-12/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Medvedchuk

[MightyGem]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

BTW It appears the UK also sent Martlet missiles to Ukraine ( in secret ) and it has been filmed taking out a Russian UAV

https://twitter.com/VudiXhym****i/st...12168973635585

That was listed as a Starstreak in another post, which I thought was a bit over the top for a drone.

[etudiant]

Originally Posted by Wokkafans

Ukraine secret service says it has arrested top Putin ally

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...fs-2022-04-12/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Medvedchuk

Seen that the guy was repeatedly elected, he clearly has a Ukrainian constituency. In war however, that no longer counts.
Ukraine is being purged of its Russian component, exactly what caused Putin to intervene directly. Only his actions ensure that the purge will be much more comprehensive.

[Pali]

Yet another Martti J. Kari interview (with subtitles). This guy knows a thing or two about the issue.

[Timmy Tomkins]

An interesting analysis https://geopoliticalfutures.com/how-...l-likely-end/?

[NutLoose]

Interesting read that Timmy T, thanks