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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 15th Mar 2022, 19:34
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Originally Posted by wunfootin
...Soon the farmers will be running out of mostly Russian supplied fertilisers not to mention the strategic metals.
On the contrary; Russia seems to have massively stepped up its export of fertiliser and (scrap) metal over recent weeks . True it is mostly going to Ukraine, but possibly there will be some left over for us.


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..And all for a bunch of nazi sympathising corrupt Ukrainian tossers?
Sure. The Nazi sympathisers who elected a Jewish president. Makes sense!
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 19:36
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Go easy on him, he's only saying what his handlers told him to say.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 19:47
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It does appear the west is starting to regurgitate McCarthyism, where anyone who has had any dealings with Russia are being sought in a glorified witch-hunt
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 19:52
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Originally Posted by wunfootin
. Soon the farmers will be running out of mostly Russian supplied fertilisers.

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Well, judging by the crap you have been spreading, it appears Russia is awash with the stuff.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 20:21
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Well we know Putin is full of it
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 20:47
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
It does appear the west is starting to regurgitate McCarthyism, where anyone who has had any dealings with Russia are being sought in a glorified witch-hunt
Considering that Russia's leadership, apparently supported by most of its people, have abandoned civilised behaviour in favour of barbarism I think it's entirely justified.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 20:53
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Decoy darts being reported in the Daily Telegraph this evening
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...vilian-attack/
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 22:36
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Originally Posted by admikar
How come that everything that is put out by Russian side is propaganda and anything that is put by Ukraine/West is pure truth?
Do you really believe that it is only Russians that are lying?
No, it's (probably) not only Russia that's lying. The difference is just about everything Russia says is a lie, and at least we have access to information about Ukraine's statement to make an informed decision for ourselves.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 22:41
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Originally Posted by wunfootin
Is that really the best you can do?
Pathetic schoolboy stuff. Still anything to distract from looking at the real problems, eh?
Let us take a closer look at the real problem




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Old 15th Mar 2022, 23:02
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Who do you think I'm talking about?
That Chinese bot Wun Foo Tin?
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 23:46
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The thing about Propaganda is, IMHO, the context. In WW2 it was a useful tool that galvanized the populace into compliance or at the very least, all pulling in the same direction. All sides used it. The problem is de-toxing from it. My Mother, after being a child sheltering in a basement during the blitz, never forgave the Germans. My In-Laws the same with the Japanese, although without a first hand impression.

Putin needs the propaganda to spin his narrative. He needs the folks back home to believe it in order to justify an invasion & keep his troops committed & focused. He needs the World to believe his reasoning, although that ship may have sailed.

What does Ukraine need from propaganda? Very little IMHO. The populace is focussed on defending their Homeland. They have the sympathy of the World & a few dedicated souls that want to actually help on the ground.

So, in context, I would agree that they are both using propaganda, but I don't think they need it equally which tends to make the Ukraine reports more believable for me.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 23:58
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Well you did, you believed you would be welcomed into the Ukraine as liberators freeing them from a fictitious ( Jewish ) Nazi control, where in reality even the Ukrainian Russian population are fighting against you’re Country. Now who’s the propaganda loving useless idiot?
My freinds grandfather lives in odessa, russian descent, considers himself true russian, speaks russian, hates putin even before this. Another good friend of mine (ex military) spent about an hour or so on skype with him early on giving a 101 on urban warfare / molotovs. The guy is 86 and going to fight russia if they land
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Old 16th Mar 2022, 00:28
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Russian helicopters believed hit at Kherson on the ground, 4 reported as destroyed and three possibly damaged.




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Old 16th Mar 2022, 00:31
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I am wondering how long it will be before the magnitude of Russian losses makes it back to the home population. They may well have exceeded their losses in Afghanistan by now. How long before we see mothers demonstrating in Russian cities?

On another hand, NATO is collecting vast amounts of Russian military communications, all the same time while the Ukrainians are depleting Russian armor and aircraft, along with quite a few senior officers that are no longer available for making trouble in Baltic and East Europe - for the price of several Stingers, Javelins, NLAWS, Bayraktars and other undisclosed items.

Really it's quite the bargain for NATO, even given the Putin Premium on oil and gas that will be with us for quite some time.
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Old 16th Mar 2022, 01:16
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Yep - my thoughts exactly.
Predictions in the last 24 hours that the Russians might be able to last another 10 days - then they start to run out of fuel, ammo, food and money.
So - keep the weapons pouring into the Ukraine, and substantially cruel Russia's military capability without directly having to engage them.
Putin - you're a genius.
Quite happy to pay A$7 for a coffee and $3 a litre for petrol to see the pr!ck run into the ground.
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Old 16th Mar 2022, 01:27
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I also wondered if the likes of this




and other Russian captured equipment that are not reusable have crossed the border into the west, I should imagine NATO and the likes of the USA would love to get their hands on them for evaluation etc.
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Old 16th Mar 2022, 01:27
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So you reckon we could maybe rename this thread, or start a new one: "Is Ukraine (Russia) about to end a war?"
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Old 16th Mar 2022, 01:44
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This is fascinating:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ssian-invaders
Had no idea - the more I learn about Ukraine, the more interesting it is.
Culture, history, beautiful buildings.
The human misery is dreadful - and so is watching the destruction of these spectacular cities.
Another city to add to the bucket list of places to visit.
Hopefully by the time that happens they will have kicked the Russians out and fixed the place...
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Old 16th Mar 2022, 01:53
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To be fair, Putin did warn everyone that he was about pull the trigger on Ukraine.
"Give it to me, or I'll smash the place to pieces."
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Old 16th Mar 2022, 01:56
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I also wondered if the likes of this




and other Russian captured equipment that are not reusable have crossed the border into the west, I should imagine NATO and the likes of the USA would love to get their hands on them for evaluation etc.
Keep an eye out for Alligators flying over Area 51
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