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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 2nd Mar 2022, 22:41
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Does the price include P & P and delivery worldwide?
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Old 2nd Mar 2022, 22:45
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And in a similar vein.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/gene...lUkraine's National Agency for the Protection against Corruption (NAPC) has declared that captured Russian tanks and other equipment are not subject to declaration.

"Have you captured a Russian tank or armored personnel carrier and are worried about how to declare it? Keep calm and continue to defend the Motherland! There is no need to declare the captured Russian tanks and other equipment, because the cost of this ... does not exceed 100 living wages (UAH 248,100)," NAPC's press service said.

Also, there is no need in this case to submit reports of significant changes in property status within 10 days."



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Old 2nd Mar 2022, 23:12
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Current sanctions are great.
Even better that some of the oil major and Canada are stepping up r/e Russian oil and gas.
So when are Western European Govts going to man and woman up and realise they have to embargo Russian petrochemicals?
Yep - it's a 40-60 percent hit to Germany's energy supply and others, and short/medium term will create huge economic problems.
If SWIFT was the nuclear option, then hopefully that's the thermonuclear option.
Putin is clearly planning to flatten Ukraine's major cities.
No guarantee that in 3-6 months he won't have encircled and taken Lviv and be hard up against the Polish border.
What will we do then?
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 02:53
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Wagner mercenary caught and reveals his pay for fighting in Ukraine.. 6, yes that is correct, 6 Euros a day, every 24 hours !!!!!!
Student rent for dorm is 11$/month in the transsiberian...

(vid 2 years old)
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...aine/100871262

A report from an Australian journalist in Donetsk: a different view of (pre & early days) of this war.

Many references by those living in the Donetsk to de-Nazifying Ukraine. Much was made of the right-wing ‘Azov’ battalion as Nazis. Azov and other right wing groups received around 3% of the vote in the most recent Ukraine elections.
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 05:45
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Russians have adopted the Soviet propaganda methods in local media. It's like reading the Pravda of the cold war era. In essence, Soviet Russian soldiers represent all the virtues and the opposition is a cruel, bloodthirsty, corrupted neo-nazi regime but nevertheless the good samaritan SovietRussian soldiers are letting them go. Furthermore the generals are making descriptions of epic tank crews who despite getting hit by Javelin, check their gear and continue killing the nazis. This is Stalin era propaganda.
Also, Kremlin is making strong claims that NATO had already made plans to implement nuclear weapons in Ukraine and those would've been implemented shortly without Russian intervene.

Why am I pasting this here? To make sure people see and understand the brainwash that is going on in Russia by the Kremlin towards the people of Russia.
RG, the official Kremlin media (It's a long article so I'll have some extracxts translated here, the entire text available on a link underneath):
02.03.2022 17:37
Entire Ukrainian garrisons refuse to fight
Text: Yuri Gavrilov
Rossiyskaya Gazeta - Capital Issue No. 46(8694)

Despite all the efforts of the Kiev regime and the scumbags from the nationalist battalions, more and more residents of Ukraine, including the military personnel of its army, come to the understanding that it makes no sense to give their lives for the thoroughly corrupt government and Bandera. Evidence of such an understanding has accumulated over the past week. One of the latest is the voluntary surrender of the military garrisons of two Ukrainian settlements, Tokmak and Vasylivka, to the Russian army.
The official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov, said that units of the Russian Armed Forces established control over them quickly and bloodlessly. This happened after the Ukrainian servicemen defending Tokmak and Vasilyevka gave up resistance and voluntarily laid down their arms.Similar receipts, we recall, have already been given by 82 Ukrainian border guards from Snake Island. And dozens of servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who came out with white cloths to our military after the actual betrayal of the army command.

Ukrainian generals simply left their soldiers and officers to their fate.
After surrendering, no one beat them, did not humiliate them, and, moreover, did not execute them. These purely Bandera "methods" of working with prisoners in the Russian Armed Forces are simply impossible. Not only by virtue of the order of Sergei Shoigu on a respectful attitude towards the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who laid down their arms.
A Russian soldier never mocked a captured enemy. He saw him as an enemy, fought with him, perhaps even hated him. But he did not humiliate, did not scoff. And he kept his word. Therefore, there is no doubt that our generals will definitely fulfill the promise to let the Ukrainian military who refused to fight go home.

Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that Russian units have taken full control of another large Ukrainian city - the regional center of Kherson. According to Konashenkov, the civil infrastructure of the city, life support facilities for the population and urban transport operate on a daily basis. Citizens also do not experience shortages in food and essential goods. "Negotiations are ongoing between the Russian command, the administration of the city and the region to address issues of maintaining the functioning of social infrastructure facilities, ensuring law and order and the security of the population," General Konashenkov said.
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According to our military data, Ukrainian authorities are forcibly holding a large group of Indian students in Kharkiv who wish to leave Ukrainian territory and go to Belgorod. Students are essentially being held hostage. The Ukrainians seem to provide them with an exit corridor from Kharkov. But they offer to leave the country through the Ukrainian-Polish border, i.e. go through the territory where there are active hostilities.
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....Russian soldiers and officers, according to him, show courage, bravery and heroism during a special military operation.
Konashenkov spoke about some of these cases. Thus, the tank crew under the command of senior sergeant Nimchenko, being at the forefront, destroyed 6 tanks, 3 armored personnel carriers-80 and more than 90 nationalists within 40 minutes with well-aimed fire. Another crew, under the command of the commander of a tank company, senior lieutenant Starostin, repelling an attack with significantly superior enemy forces, destroyed eight BTR-80s and more than 100 nationalists, preventing them from breaking through to the crossing. During the battle, our tank was attacked by the American Javelin ATGM. The crew received a shell shock, but did not leave the battle. After making sure that the equipment was in good condition, they destroyed 2 more enemy tanks.

"The Russian army is fulfilling its task with honor. It is eliminating the real threat to Russia, which until recently emanated from the territory of Ukraine. From the territory on which, contrary to the will of the Ukrainian people, NATO bases, nuclear weapons, and their delivery vehicles were to appear in the near future. The homeland will be protected ", - said Konashenkov
https://rg.ru/2022/03/02/celye-ukrai...dejstviia.html
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 07:00
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They are standing flags flying blocking the road to the nuclear power station and singing the national anthem as Russians are firing Grenades and weapons into them

These are the Ukrainians blocking the road peacefully
Still no sign of this on mainstream media.

Is it from the same source as the now discredited report (subsequently deleted by the mods) of the wounded young girl in hospital and the fake photo of the supposedly dead "first female Ukrainian fighter pilot" who appears not to have existed until a few days ago ?

There are more than enough horrible things happening in Ukraine without social media having to invent stuff.
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 07:29
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Apparently, Putin has not been seen at the Kremlin for a week and no one knows where he is???

Must be down a rabbit hole somewhere,

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Apparently, Putin has not been seen at the Kremlin for a week and no one knows where he is???

Must be down a rabbit hole somewhere,

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Courageously hiding, in case Ukrainians invade Moscow.
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 07:37
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Apparently, Putin has not been seen at the Kremlin for a week and no one knows where he is???

Must be down a rabbit hole somewhere,
A sore neck from permanently looking over his shoulder?
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 07:39
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Originally Posted by Imagegear
Apparently, Putin has not been seen at the Kremlin for a week and no one knows where he is???

Must be down a rabbit hole somewhere,

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There was claims a few days ago that Putin has transferred his family to a nuclear bomb shelter in Siberia. Was in many of the medias including Daily Fail et al so some salt with it.
If true, maybe he is in the same safe haven staring at his own football.
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 07:50
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In his bunker in the Urals according to various German sources. (Borrowed from another site.)Wladimir Putin: Flucht aus Moskau? Kreml-Boss verschanzt sich angeblich in Bunker | news.de

Versteckspiel um Wladimir Putin: Wo steckt der russische Despot? - FOCUS Online

Ist Putin im Bunker oder nicht? Wie wird der Präsident vor dem Coronavirus beschützt? - Russia Beyond DE (rbth.com)

Ukraine-Krieg: Versteckt sich Putin in einem Bunker? | Peter Tiede in Moskau - Bing video
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 07:53
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I wonder if he's heard of Gen. Galtieri?
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Maybe it’s a rerun of a 1945 bunker….please, I hope so.
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 08:49
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How many others ended up down a hole?
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 08:50
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Paranoid much?? I wonder if its to protect himself from the people around him? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he fears a putsch, people whispering and manouevring behind his back.

Interesting to see Lavrov's interview which was run live on Sky this morning. Usual batsh*t stuff, but he did refer to "the sanctions from hell", so clearly they have are already having some effect.
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 09:06
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Mount Yamantau or Kosvinsky Kamen?
The Russian Cheyenne Mountain(s).
But trying to work out where the oligarchs would have landed their Gulfstreams for the supposed war council.
No paved airfields nearby from the looks of things...
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 09:10
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There was a link somewhere in this thread (or was it in the jet blast thread)to track the movements of the oligharcs jets on FR24, I just can't find that right now. I wonder if that link would tell tales of the whereabouts of the oligharcs if they've really summoned somewhere east of Ural.
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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 09:17
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Here is the tracking link

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Old 3rd Mar 2022, 09:17
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If he is in the bunker because he fears his own people, which seems highly plausible, what's the exit strategy? Hard to see the opinions of those he fears swinging massively in his favour, also don't see him taking the 1945 option, but the alternatives all look pretty bad (for everyone).
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