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Old 8th Sep 2023, 13:20
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I get all that, but the current UK basic salary is £5300/6000EU gross. Add 85 hrs in that's about £6150/7200EU gross. That isn't variable, its a fixed contract. The basic is guaranteed, and you absolutely will fly a minimum 85hrs a month on average. Yes out of that comes tax and the hotel for the sim (£70 x twice a year?). You're still left with a very decent salary. Not sure about anyone else but my living expenses, absolutely everything, does not reach 3000EU a month, and I'm far from a miser.

You raise a good point about the 4 sectors, common in places like Dublin I suppose. In my base it's mostly 2 sector days, in fact I've not done many 4 sectors this summer at all. Like you say, it depends what you're after. For me all the side benefits are nice to have but that's it, the only thing that will make me move to Dubai is a decent salary differential and that isn't on offer.

Seems the guys a few yrs ago had a much better deal with the housing allowance? They said they are building a lot of new houses in Meydan so I guess that isnt coming back soon.
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 15:07
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
6000EU net is what I said, post tax. I don't need them to pay housing. Yes EK cover that but its not worth my while moving 7 hrs away, so far from family, just cos they cover my housing and I get 1k on top. Like I said, I'm not alone seeing that.

Living alone in a desert flying across multiple timezones at 3AM has got to be worth more than a ~1k increase and a place to sleep.

You are so correct .
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 15:13
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
Seems the guys a few yrs ago had a much better deal with the housing allowance? They said they are building a lot of new houses in Meydan so I guess that isnt coming back soon.
Not sure where you get this idea. I bought a house and EK pays me 5 500 euro every month to live in it.

Lots of reasons to hate EK but wages ain't one of them. It's easy to try make the numbers look bad by discarding the items that don't matter to you. Arguably, it is a short sighted approach and hardly objective. That said, at the end of the day, EK isn't a good fit for everyone and if there are doubts it is probably better to stay put.
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 16:26
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Originally Posted by Kennytheking
Not sure where you get this idea. I bought a house and EK pays me 5 500 euro every month to live in it.

Lots of reasons to hate EK but wages ain't one of them. It's easy to try make the numbers look bad by discarding the items that don't matter to you. Arguably, it is a short sighted approach and hardly objective. That said, at the end of the day, EK isn't a good fit for everyone and if there are doubts it is probably better to stay put.
Isn't it that you've to putchase a property to get the housing allowance now? I'm wary of purchasing a place in Dubai, it seems to be booming now but what happens when the bubble bursts? I'd be in very unchartered territories .. plus you'd have to save for the deposit etc, perhaps im wrong but years ago I understood you could take the allowance and rent a place of your own, pocketing any differences so it was like more to your salary
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 17:04
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Buy a place. Make 2.5x net what a RYR pilot takes home grossing 6.2k.

Or, look for every reason not to.

There may be many reasons why EK may not be for you, but cash isn’t one of them. Certainly not as an FR FO.

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Old 8th Sep 2023, 18:17
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Would anyone within EK be willing to PM me to discuss salary and ideally a few other lifestyle related questions? I'm heading down soon for assessment and looking to get some final ideas of what the place is like...
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 10:19
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
I get all that, but the current UK basic salary is £5300/6000EU gross. Add 85 hrs in that's about £6150/7200EU gross. That isn't variable, its a fixed contract. The basic is guaranteed, and you absolutely will fly a minimum 85hrs a month on average. Yes out of that comes tax and the hotel for the sim (£70 x twice a year?). You're still left with a very decent salary. Not sure about anyone else but my living expenses, absolutely everything, does not reach 3000EU a month, and I'm far from a miser.

You raise a good point about the 4 sectors, common in places like Dublin I suppose. In my base it's mostly 2 sector days, in fact I've not done many 4 sectors this summer at all. Like you say, it depends what you're after. For me all the side benefits are nice to have but that's it, the only thing that will make me move to Dubai is a decent salary differential and that isn't on offer.

Seems the guys a few yrs ago had a much better deal with the housing allowance? They said they are building a lot of new houses in Meydan so I guess that isnt coming back soon.
I guess everyone is different but my basic is that much and if I don’t fly I literally have no extra money. Mortgage, bills, extra pension payment and living expenses takes all of that up, I don’t own a car even. ~£6000 in the UK might be considered a ‘good’ salary but as I was discussing with a colleague who is ex EK, it’s considered good because the living standards of the majority of people in the UK is terrible, not being broke is considered rich.

I don’t miss the Middle East but I do miss saving £5000 a month without even try as an FO.

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Old 9th Sep 2023, 13:38
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Originally Posted by Spongeboeing
Well of course flying in the ME is not for everyone just like flying for a European LOCO airline doesn't suit everyone either. I've flown with a lot of Captains in Ryanair and when they describe their situation it is clear that there's no other airline in the world that could offer anything to attract them. There are people in Ryanair who have a side business, a family, passive income from properties and a part time contract flying close to nothing in the south or Spain. Those guys are living the dream and it would be pointless for them to consider the switch.

The decision to join Emirates or any ME company needs to have a vocational component. First you need to look forward to doing long haul. For some of us working 10 hours without really going anywhere is not what we wanted when we decided to become a pilot. For some other people getting back home every day is exactly what makes short haul good. I enjoy finishing work in a different city. Dinner out with the crew, a walk in Sydney, a fun night in Singapore. I always enjoy those little things. They give me life, they make me look forward to work and make a standby call a bit less painful. Then there's the money and benefits.

-Average salary on an 85h month: 8000€.
-Excess hours: 130€/h.
-Pension Fund: About 1000€/month or End Of Service accessible when you leave.
-Profit share, no explanation needed...
-Company accommodation with utilities: ~2000€/mo savings.
-Chauffeur transport to work which is a dramatic stress reduction.
-One time 6000€ furnishing allowance.
-Kids education allowance: ~15000€/year per kid up to 3 kids between 4 and 19 y/o.
-Staff Travel.
-Full medical and dental coverage for the family.
-Platinum Card.
-If you live out and buy property in Dubai you get a 4300€/month allowance. More than enough for a nice high-end apartment in a liveable area (www.propertyfinder.ae)

In the money department Emirates wins over Ryanair by far. If on top of that you think you would enjoy having less stress during work and extra benefits and assistance when you're off the airplane and you would enjoy spending some time in different cities here and there then the decision is easy. You can consider it a long term adventure towards early retirement or you can do 5 years there and then go back to Ryanair demanding a dreamy sunny European base as many people do.

You sound like a recruitment advert!!!. I challenge you on FULL medical benefits for all the family. I would like others to share their latest experience with EK claiming medical.

Arriving in Sydney , and having dinner with the crew? How often have you actually done that? Actually .. how long have you been in EK? Have you actually used any medical services? How many trips have you done?

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Old 9th Sep 2023, 14:19
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Originally Posted by SOPS
You sound like a recruitment advert!!!. I challenge you on FULL medical benefits for all the family. I would like others to share their latest experience with EK claiming medical.

Arriving in Sydney , and having dinner with the crew? How often have you actually done that? Actually .. how long have you been in EK? Have you actually used any medical services? How many trips have you done?
yep, not to mention the platinum card 😂 the real ripoff...
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 17:04
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For transparancy here follows a post Spongeboeing wrote on this thread less than two months ago. In the past he has worked as cabin crew at EK so he would not have had the same interaction and social experiences with the crew as SOPS did.

Originally Posted by Spongeboeing
Is it common to wait a week for a reply after the online MS interview? I did my interview last week and it went really well but I haven't received an invitation or a rejection. From what I read here and on LPJ it appears that most people get invited to Dubai within hours from finishing the interview. Is a long wait usually a sign of not being invited to continue?

Thanks!
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 00:04
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Originally Posted by radlettrejoin
For transparancy here follows a post Spongeboeing wrote on this thread less than two months ago. In the past he has worked as cabin crew at EK so he would not have had the same interaction and social experiences with the crew as SOPS did.
So is he/ she actually working as a pilot with EK… or just wishing they were?
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 00:49
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Originally Posted by SOPS
You sound like a recruitment advert!!!. I challenge you on FULL medical benefits for all the family. I would like others to share their latest experience with EK claiming medical.

Arriving in Sydney , and having dinner with the crew? How often have you actually done that? Actually .. how long have you been in EK? Have you actually used any medical services? How many trips have you done?
Is it that bad? What are the medical system issues you have encountered?
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 10:04
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So is he/ she actually working as a pilot with EK… or just wishing they were?
I am but I did also work there as cabin crew many years ago.
By full medical coverage what are you expecting, boob jobs? I was talking to a guy who was comparing the money and benefits between working for Ryanair and working for Emirates, thinking they're almost the same when they're just not.
About spending time with the crew on layovers. Of course things have changed. Back then we had no social media or smartphones and everybody used to do stuff together, full crew. Yes things have changed but it doesn't mean that in the nicer layovers you won't find at least 3 or 4 colleagues willing to join you to go out. If that's not happening to you I'm sorry.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 11:32
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Originally Posted by Spongeboeing
I am but I did also work there as cabin crew many years ago...

...About spending time with the crew on layovers. Of course things have changed. Back then we had no social media or smartphones and everybody used to do stuff together, full crew. Yes things have changed but it doesn't mean that in the nicer layovers you won't find at least 3 or 4 colleagues willing to join you to go out. If that's not happening to you I'm sorry.
What a remarkably efficient recruitment and joining programme EK have.

From anxiously waiting for the results of a remote, online initial assessment in the 3rd week of July to enjoying the nicer layovers with 3 or 4 colleagues by the 2nd week of September. All in less than 8 weeks.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 12:14
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Originally Posted by radlettrejoin
What a remarkably efficient recruitment and joining programme EK have.

From anxiously waiting for the results of a remote, online initial assessment in the 3rd week of July to enjoying the nicer layovers with 3 or 4 colleagues by the 2nd week of September. All in less than 8 weeks.
I was not going to say it… but the I was thinking the same thing. I mean even if joined mid August…they would have not even finished ground school yet.

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Dear ladies and gentleman, does anyone know what are the "several" stages after you finish the recruitment in Dubai?
A while ago I passed both days in Dubai only to receive a warm "you were not selected" email 3 weeks later... (I know I passed in Dubai because I was told on the phone that I did well on compass as well as simulator and the doctor told me my medical is issued before I left the room)...

For the guys still wasting time (sorry), the latest pilot jobs prep is more than enough... combined with what EK sends you for the simulator...
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 16:12
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Your assessment of whether the move is worth it is refreshing to read. Someone who has actually done some homework! There is something further however that might be worth considering: when a pilot has experience enough to apply for EK, he/she won’t be far off loco upgrade eligibility. With EK new joiner upgrades probably 7-9 years away, add in a few more years to serve out the bond, and you’ve spent probably longer in the sand than the average EK pilot endures. In other words compare loco capt salaries to EK FO salaries.
Now of course you could grab the housing allowance!? Do you want to fork out a 30% deposit on a Dubai housing market that must be close if not at record highs?
As for relaxing layovers with crews somewhere nice!? 🤣
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 18:47
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Originally Posted by SOPS
I was not going to say it… but the I was thinking the same thing. I mean even if joined mid August…they would have not even finished ground school yet.
I dont know him and dont want to defend him, but maybe he asked that question on behalf of a friend. Let's not judge people.
we're here to help each other ...
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 09:11
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It is amazing to see the mental gymnastics a RYR pilot will perform to persuade himself he has the best job in the World. Coming to the ME takes balls. Moving job takes balls. Leaving your comfort zone takes balls. If you want to stay home with your mummy doing your laundry, that's fine - but tell it how it is.

I was ex-loco, most of us were - there is no way in hell I or anyone of us would go back unless under exceptional circumstances. The only people that ever go to loco from EK, are people that never tried it before. People at every airline like to complain, but don't take it too seriously.

We have an infinitely better and more interesting life here, and we know it. That's why we stay. That's why there isn't a thread about EK pilots trying to get into RYR....

About 0.2% of EK pilots post on prune. You are bouncing your doom off people that have previously quit, been fired or are generally depressed people. Of course you'll find some people here to confirm your bias.

You're the cliche boy who never left his home town, when all his school friends went to the city. What do you think all the city boys come to think of their old school friend? That's what I think of you.

Convincing yourself it's the safer option, too risky to leave - what if you fail, what if the market collapses, what if you don't make friends?

But I understand, many people struggle with the decision. And it comes down to being scared of change.

You'll soon realise 3k euros wont cut it for adulthood. There's more to life than loco until you're 65, and your aspirations may grow beyond taking your mum to Benidorm on holiday.

There is so much out there in the World to see and experience. You have a unique opportunity through flying - Dont waste it at RYR.



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Old 11th Sep 2023, 10:35
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Oh dear, guess I'll start by saying I couldn't give a rat's behind what you think of me? I've not lived in my hometown for over 10 yrs and neither me nor anyone in my family has ever been to Benidorm in our lives. If that was your life before Emirates, and it took you moving to Dubai to figure out how to use a washing machine, then it makes an awful lot of sense why you'd be so defensive about it all.

I'm surprised those triples are able to get airborne with such huge balls onboard!
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