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Old 25th Aug 2023, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Kennytheking
I read his post differently - I believe he meant that he will have the hours by the time he has to start the type rating at EK.
Yes, exactly this! Because while waiting I would still be accumulating hours in my current airline.
Was just wondering if they are really strict about that number, but maybe it’s best not to take any chances like Spongeboeing said.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 13:55
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Guys, does anyone know if I can apply with 1500
hours? Just received my ATPL
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 14:04
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Originally Posted by limpfury
Yes, exactly this! Because while waiting I would still be accumulating hours in my current airline.
Was just wondering if they are really strict about that number, but maybe it’s best not to take any chances like Spongeboeing said.
You wouldn't be taking any chances. It's just that a lot of initial filtering is done automatically so if you don't meet the hours their system will probably not even forward your application to a human recruitment officer. But don't worry. It looks like recruitment will continue well into 2024. They stated that 200 777/787 are expected next year hopefully and these airplanes are adding to the current fleet rather than replacing older airplanes. There will be a lot of internal command upgrades and they will need new FOs. Just create your profile, update it regularly and be patient. When you reach the hours submit the application.

On the other hand the pilot selection team are very approachable so you could just send them an email. Recruitment at Emirates takes time so maybe if you believe that you'll meet your hours quickly and before the day they'd consider you for assessment in Dubai they might let you do the online stages and then invite you to Dubai once you meet the hours requirement. It took my selection process slowly. From the day I submitted my application to the day I went to Dubai for the final assessment I added about 800h.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 14:08
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200 aircraft to arrive in 1 year!!! I seriously doubt that.
Boeing makes 4 787s a month and has suspended 777 X production this year. You keep talking fantasy things.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 14:26
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Originally Posted by Spongeboeing
You wouldn't be taking any chances. It's just that a lot of initial filtering is done automatically so if you don't meet the hours their system will probably not even forward your application to a human recruitment officer. But don't worry. It looks like recruitment will continue well into 2024. They stated that 200 777/787 are expected next year hopefully and these airplanes are adding to the current fleet rather than replacing older airplanes. There will be a lot of internal command upgrades and they will need new FOs. Just create your profile, update it regularly and be patient. When you reach the hours submit the application.

On the other hand the pilot selection team are very approachable so you could just send them an email. Recruitment at Emirates takes time so maybe if you believe that you'll meet your hours quickly and before the day they'd consider you for assessment in Dubai they might let you do the online stages and then invite you to Dubai once you meet the hours requirement. It took my selection process slowly. From the day I submitted my application to the day I went to Dubai for the final assessment I added about 800h.
Thank you very much for your tips. And great news on the expansion of the fleet aswell. I already sent an email a few weeks ago but no reply so far. But I used an email I had gotten from back when I was cc at EK.. maybe the email has changed since?
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 15:20
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There are 200 aircraft on order, most of which will be replacing the current fleet over many years. 350 due to arrive August next year, 777x sometime in 2025. Do not apply thinking there will be a huge expansion, you are about 15 years too late for that.
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 00:59
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Just to echo what has been said already, there is now very limited capacity at DXB for EK to grow in size. During the busy rush hour periods, all the EK concourses are saturated. There is little space available to accommodate fleet growth.

Going forward, career progression will depend much more on attrition, rather than expansion.
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 02:47
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Originally Posted by SOPS
200 aircraft to arrive in 1 year!!! I seriously doubt that.
Boeing makes 4 787s a month and has suspended 777 X production this year. You keep talking fantasy things.
I never said they're all arriving in 2024. Deliveries are expected to start next year. Those are the numbers that the recruiting department are counting on and mentioned when someone asked about how reasonable it'd be to delay his DOJ. They also mentioned that 787 talk had cooled down but it's now being considered again due to the obvious delay of the 777X. And they explicitly stated that these new airplanes will not only be replacing but also adding.
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 10:09
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Originally Posted by Spongeboeing
They stated that 200 777/787 are expected next year
Originally Posted by Spongeboeing
I never said they're all arriving in 2024.
Err....
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 10:23
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Originally Posted by Spongeboeing
You wouldn't be taking any chances. It's just that a lot of initial filtering is done automatically so if you don't meet the hours their system will probably not even forward your application to a human recruitment officer. But don't worry. It looks like recruitment will continue well into 2024. They stated that 200 777/787 are expected next year hopefully and these airplanes are adding to the current fleet rather than replacing older airplanes. There will be a lot of internal command upgrades and they will need new FOs. Just create your profile, update it regularly and be patient. When you reach the hours submit the application.

On the other hand the pilot selection team are very approachable so you could just send them an email. Recruitment at Emirates takes time so maybe if you believe that you'll meet your hours quickly and before the day they'd consider you for assessment in Dubai they might let you do the online stages and then invite you to Dubai once you meet the hours requirement. It took my selection process slowly. From the day I submitted my application to the day I went to Dubai for the final assessment I added about 800h.
I hate to be picky, but read your own post. You said… 200 787/777 are expected next year….
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 21:46
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Question about hiring

Originally Posted by BigGeordie
There are 200 aircraft on order, most of which will be replacing the current fleet over many years. 350 due to arrive August next year, 777x sometime in 2025. Do not apply thinking there will be a huge expansion, you are about 15 years too late for that.
Hello, thanks for the info! I’ve been in the process for EK for a long time and did my Hirevue 4 months ago, I know they are saturated with applications for the rest of the year and even more so I’m being patient… but I’ve seen that most of their new orders are from Boeing and only few (a350) are from Airbus, I’m an A320 type rated, do you think they are prioritizing Boeing pilots for hiring or when do you think they will resume hiring? I know is a little bit faster for people with family or friends working there but is not my case.
my status is “application under review” still, thanks in advance!
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 13:44
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2023 application

Hello renewed my application for ek again under future opportunities f/o link , my question is how long does it take normally to get a response from EK ?
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 08:59
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Can someone tell me what an average month looks like on the payslip for a 380 FO? With current conversion rates it seems to come in about €6600 before any flying pay etc.
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 20:53
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At the recent roadshow they used an odd conversion rate, showing an 85 hr month as 7900EU. I used the actual conversion rate and it was <7500EU.

The guys I spoke to all seemed a bit disappointed by it, it's hardly worth leaving Europe for. Contract dependent, Ryanair FOs are making over 6000EU net, some even more. I guess it'll still attract south Americans, Africans and Asians so they won't raise it.
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 05:57
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
The guys I spoke to all seemed a bit disappointed by it, it's hardly worth leaving Europe for. Contract dependent, Ryanair FOs are making over 6000EU net, some even more. I guess it'll still attract south Americans, Africans and Asians so they won't raise it.
Ryanair paying tax and housing? your 6000 becomes 2500 pretty quickly.
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 07:12
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Have any Boeing guys been called with start dates in the last 2 weeks? All Airbus guys in my group have been called but Boeing all still waiting
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 09:59
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Originally Posted by Rie
Ryanair paying tax and housing? your 6000 becomes 2500 pretty quickly.
6000EU net is what I said, post tax. I don't need them to pay housing. Yes EK cover that but its not worth my while moving 7 hrs away, so far from family, just cos they cover my housing and I get 1k on top. Like I said, I'm not alone seeing that.

Living alone in a desert flying across multiple timezones at 3AM has got to be worth more than a ~1k increase and a place to sleep.
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 10:36
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
At the recent roadshow they used an odd conversion rate, showing an 85 hr month as 7900EU. I used the actual conversion rate and it was <7500EU.

The guys I spoke to all seemed a bit disappointed by it, it's hardly worth leaving Europe for. Contract dependent, Ryanair FOs are making over 6000EU net, some even more. I guess it'll still attract south Americans, Africans and Asians so they won't raise it.
Although it seems like there is almost no difference, it is actually quite a big step up the 4k-6k net salary that you get as an FO here in a LCC comparing to the 7,5k-8,5k (depending on current usd rates) that you get in EK. The added benefits (accomodation, transportation, education allowance, insurances, etc) that you get in EK.
As an example, a couple with a kid living in Europe would spend average around 3k just on what Ek covers with the benefits.
So in reality in a LCC in Europe you will end up saving between 0k and 2k (depending on the base and contract) and in EK you can easily save 5k-6k. Basically what you get as a salary in a LCC.
In my view that is completely worth it, but of course everyone’s situation and view of quality of life differ.
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 10:45
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I can see how it would be beneficial to a couple with children as instead of free state school (book and uniform costs aside) they can go to high end schools that EK covers. For me this a benefit that doesn't mean anything because I don't have any children. Transport barely costs me anything as I live near my base, the chauffeur is nice, but am i gonna move there to avoid having to get a shuttle bus from the staff car park?

Uniform cleaning .. it really doesn't bother me that much washing and ironing my own uniform. There was also a mentioning of some EK platinum card, but talking to someone there they said the discounts are decreasing every year and even when you do find a decent discount it just brings the item down to the price it would cost in Europe anyway
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
At the recent roadshow they used an odd conversion rate, showing an 85 hr month as 7900EU. I used the actual conversion rate and it was <7500EU.

The guys I spoke to all seemed a bit disappointed by it, it's hardly worth leaving Europe for. Contract dependent, Ryanair FOs are making over 6000EU net, some even more. I guess it'll still attract south Americans, Africans and Asians so they won't raise it.
That salary is not always stable as it depends 100% of the agreements in place in the country you're based. The difference in net salary between a Portuguese or an Italian or a Polish base is huge. These salaries don't reflect the cost of living either. So a pilot on an Italian contract based in Marrakech secondment has a completely different economy than someone based in hugely expensive Dublin or in Portugal where they take almost a third of your salary in taxes. In Ryanair when I was a contractor FO I was indeed reaching 7000€ or even 8000€ per month on pre-pandemic summers but there was no basic salary so on low hour months that would quickly go down to less than 3000€. If you swap days and gather annual leave and don't fly for a month you'll barely make 2000€. Then I switched base and got a proper national contract with high basic salary and low flying rate. My average was 4000€ per month as senior FO (<7000€ for Captains) and not so much affected by flying hours. Life in any European city will set you back 3000€ easily between housing, transport, food, etc, including many of the things that Emirates includes in the package and things that I simply don't do because I don't need them but would enjoy them if they were provided. In the end if I'm lucky I'm saving 1500€.

Keep in mind that this salary already includes extras for things like the simulator checks, your uniform (yes you will buy your own uniform and work trolley), hotel expenses during sims (yes, you book your own hotel for the sim), food at work, etc. There's absolutely no assistance by the airline and nothing is included. You're on your own.

The only people who are happy with these conditions are those who value living in a city where it would be impossible to live in permanently working at another airline. Imagine someone with a family based in Alicante. People who simply need to live in Girona or Bratislava where no other companies have a base. Those are the ones who accept making less money and going through 4 killer turnarounds per day.

When you compare that to the salary in most other airlines and certainly the ones in the Middle East you have to consider that apart from it you will receive assistance in those areas that LoCo companies leave everything to you. You should also consider other benefits like End of Service payment, pension fund, medical/dental, platinum card, schools, PROFIT SHARE, etc. That's a lot of money and it adds up over time. You can think of it strictly in terms of money but the way I see it is more about quality of life. About the hours, well, tell me you're not flying close to max duty consistently... In some bases we were always one slot away from going into discretion. In the end the only difference is the time zones and the time you set your alarm to because in terms of "hours in uniform" it's about the same. For some of us this is more manageable than flying 5 days back back on earlies waking up at 4am and finishing knackered at 4pm and completely unable to have family or social life after work except for the rare easy 2 sector days. At a certain point you just want to maximise your long term earnings and reconsider if you really want to spend the next 30 years flying 4 sectors per day in the small noisy cockpit of a 737 with your BOSE A20 squeezing your head for 10 hours, with insanely busy 25 minute ground stops and experiencing basically none of privileges that airline crew usually enjoy.

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