What Cockpit?

[asw28-866]

Bolingbroke then? If correct Control back to you I42 and let's have your next!

PS thank you for bringing this wonderful thread back to life :D

[India Four Two]

ICT and asw - snap!

Yes, a Bolingbroke.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/IMG_3116_zps0r8zw7lc.jpg

Here's my next one:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/IMG_3130_zpsl9ccijnu.jpg

[Kitbag]

Eastman SeaRover?

[India Four Two]

Well done, Kitbag.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/IMG_3128_zpsren9rt71.jpg

The 1929 Eastman E2 Sea Rover at the British Columbia Aviation Museum in Sidney. Eighteen were built in Detroit. Five came to BC. This one is a "bitsa", built from several of the airframes. The tail of the Bolingbroke is in the background.

You have control

[Kitbag]

Nice museum.

Try this one

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WCP%2019%20Oct%2015.jpg

[Rosevidney1]

A guess - the Fleet Fort?

[Kitbag]

I had to look that one up RV. I think the challenge ac is rather more attractive, if somewhat older than your suggestion.

[India Four Two]

Kitbag,

It looks British. Is it?

[Kitbag]

I42

Yes and No.

The aircraft type was designed by an American in the late 20s as a kit, and became quite popular. This particular ac is registered in the UK (G-xxxx) and was built in the late 80s/early 90s, it looks like there are 20 or so on the UK register.

[flapsin]

Pietenpol Aircamper?

[Kitbag]

Flapsin has it, G-BUCO is the ac and very pretty it is too. I'll post a picture when I'm not working off my phone.

Flapsin, you have control.

[flapsin]

Thank you, unable to post a new teaser so open house.
Flapsin

[Kitbag]

Here is the Aircamper as promised:

http://www.airteamimages.com/pics/150/150091_800.jpg

[India Four Two]

Kitbag,

What a lovely aircraft.

This one is not so lovely and FYI, it's not in the Sidney museum ;)

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/IMG_3151%20ppt_zpso8lqk1sz.png

[Spooky 2]

Looks to be a Cessna 02 from the Vietnam era?

[Kitbag]

I42, beauty is in the eye of the beholder; I've always liked twin boom ac, including the O-2. Can't find a museum with red hangar walls :(

[Rosevidney1]

Any museum with a Bell Sioux can't be all bad!

[India Four Two]

Spooky 2,
Correct, it's an airworthy O-2. Easy to figure out, even after I had cropped the gauges that said Front Engine and Rear Engine! ;)

Kitbag,
I didn't say it was ugly, I just said it wasn't as beautiful as the Aircamper:). I had a flight in a 337P once - very nice to fly.
This O-2 is in the Heritage Flight Museum at Skagit Regional Airport, north of Seattle. They've only just moved there so there are probably not many pictures of their new home on the web yet. The museum was founded by Bill Anders - one of the Apollo 8 crew.

Heritage Flight Museum (http://www.heritageflight.org/)

Rosevidney1,
Well spotted. It's an airworthy G model, painted in MASH colours and currently grounded, pending the installation of a new tail rotor.

More pictures to come, when I catch up with my travelogue.

Spooky 2 has control.

[India Four Two]

While we are waiting for Spooky 2, here's an easy one:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/wc15-10-27_zpsdfelhcvm.png

[Kitbag]

It looks similar, but not identical, to an early Messerschmitt 109.

[India Four Two]

Kitbag,

You are correct - it's a 109 panel at Planes of Fame in Chino. It was labelled as a 109E and was standing against the wheel of an un-restored wreck from Russia. I didn't take a photo of the wreck, so I'm not sure if it actually was an "Emil".

You have control.

[Kitbag]

Many thanks I42, had to work a bit at that.

Heres something a little more modern (but not much)
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WCP%2028%20Oct.jpg

[evansb]

An early model of a North American F-100 Super Sabre, specifically it is F-100A, #25-761, seen here decades earlier on a demonstration flight near Edwards/Muroc Test Area:
http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b477/gumpjr_bucket/25_761%20F_100A.jpg

[Kitbag]

I wondered when you'd join in again. As usual you are correct, it currently resides at the New England Air Museum

evansb has control (again)

[evansb]

Thank you! Identify this mystery cockpit:

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b477/gumpjr_bucket/This20_Day_In_History.jpg

[Kitbag]

There seems to be a placard for arrestor hook so lets try something along the lines of Curtiss SB2C Helldiver?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Curtiss Helldiver.

[sycamore]

Something from Grumman..? but not an Avenger

[CoodaShooda]

Douglas TBD-1 Devastator?

I'm only an occasional lurker, so in the unlikely event I fluked it - open house.

[evansb]

It is indeed a Douglas TBD-1 Devastator.:ok:
http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b477/gumpjr_bucket/vt-6-1941-off-hawaii.jpg

[Kitbag]

I'll take the OH and move to something more modern:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WCP%201Nov.png

[sycamore]

Jet trainer,;Euro/US/Ru/elsewhere...?

[Kitbag]

There's only one possible answer to that...

Yes :ok:

[CoodaShooda]

The superstructure behind the cockpit is reminiscent of a Dassault Mirage.

[Kitbag]

Not from Textron and not quite that modern and, yes, I think it looks a bit Dassault Mirage like too

[con-pilot]

A real WAG, T-38?

[evansb]

My second try: Dassault-Dornier Alpha Jet?

[Kitbag]

Sorry Con, not from the US, evansbe is exactly right, it is the Alpha Jet.
You have control Bri

[evansb]

Thanks KB!

Identify the flight deck:
http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b477/gumpjr_bucket/Pass_Go_Do_Not_Collect_100_Dollars.jpg

[India Four Two]

In the news in Canada at the moment?

[TheiC]

Just like the BAe146, when first built, the post above is missing a prominent SPOILER ALERT. ;)

The image shows the Bombardier C series... Just back from a big trip so OH if correct.

[evansb]

TheiC is correct. The Bombardier CSeries 100.

[evansb]

Identify the aircraft:
http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b477/gumpjr_bucket/Candy_Crush_.jpg

[Genghis the Engineer]

Looks nearly, but not quite, like a Beriev Be-200.

Be-220 prototype or mockup?

G

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Beriev product.

[TheiC]

Il-112 perhaps?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Ilyushin.

[TheiC]

Sukhoi SU-80?

[evansb]

Yes, it is the Sukhoi SU-80. Please post a challenge. Thank you.

[TheiC]

With pleasure:

http://imageshack.com/a/img907/2282/EYhbNp.jpg

[Genghis the Engineer]

Lancair 320?

G

[TheiC]

Not a Lancair product, I'm afraid...

[TheiC]

CLUE:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/908/2UtSoh.jpg

[TheiC]

Well, I guess it's not historic and nor is there any nostalgia about it. It's the Sunward Aurora.

OH.

[Russell Gulch]

I hope this is the latest thread of "What Cockpit?", cause I have a new one. Russ

https://imgur.com/EolJClk

[bingofuel]

Well it looks like a B29 yoke, but apart from that, no idea!

[nvubu]

Bally Bomber - clicky (http://www.saukvalley.com/2017/06/28/an-obsession-takes-to-the-skies-vietnam-veteran-builds-b-17-bomber/aw0x5u4/)

http://www.saukvalley.com/_internal/cimg!0/9kqsj0bd6yol0ce4yscfo0g8qo39l6v

[Russell Gulch]

wel done Nvubu, your control.

[India Four Two]

I think after 11 months I can assume Open House. Here's an easy one, probably done before, but there's a personal connection.

My daughter sent me this photo, with a caption that read "Guess what we did today?"

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1426x1901/image1_0f5002f7643422e862b2b31aee65719273569df7.jpeg

In the unlikely event that a clue is required, my daughter lives in Victoria, BC.

[ea200]

DHC-2 Beaver?

[treadigraph]

Otter? space...

[India Four Two]

ea200, out by 1! :)

treadders wins the prize!

It's a Harbour Air DHC-3T. My daughter and son-in-law made a day trip to Vancouver. The map shows the southern part of Saltspring Island.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/938x938/43078530_1694650037312068_8263565511850196992_n_212878709efc bda79f2cfe688be89b03378dd9fc.jpg

I'm jealous. I've bagged quite a few of the DH menagerie, but not the DHC-3.

treadders has the con.

[treadigraph]

Love to have a go in one myself! And a Beaver... And a Caribou...

Open house to anyone who'd like to post a pic...

[flyer101flyer]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x525/img_8306l7_740f23ff293af07a01cffc5b35346c66c1cdfa22.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x525/img_8317brl7_c9fb16c7e46401cfabb074e991d7b590e9f5e082.jpg

[dook]

Looks like a homebuilt.

Pietenpol replica maybe.

[flyer101flyer]

Looks like a homebuilt.

Pietenpol replica maybe.

No, factory built--

[dook]

I think the ASI is calibrated in kph, so is it east European ?

[sycamore]

Mags are live,,,!WACO..?

[Rosevidney1]

That looks so complicated!

[dook]

That's why I thought it's a homebuilt machine.

[dook]

The person who has set the challenge seems to have lost interest, which is probably why everyone else has.

[Russell Gulch]

No posts for almost a year, so just for fun (!), here's another cockpit. (Some clues: this craft has only 300 hours airborne quite a long time ago; three jet engines of which only one remains attached).


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x750/p1120981_c644d8aad265fe7ee4c82442097cb8f655ce09ac.jpg

[dook]

Three jet engines ?

Wossa four levers ?

[Glevum]

Is it RTV 31?

[dook]

Wasn't that magnetic drive ?

[dook]

Hovercraft ?

[Russell Gulch]

None of the above are quite correct, but Glevum is closest. Again, this is just for fun.
Another clue: This is the last example extant.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x750/p1120985_b1bb0c397954e0748251ebcbf2f460381040700a.jpg
Russ

[India Four Two]

Well done Russell. I was just thinking we hadn’t seen any cockpits for a while.

No clue about your challenge, though.

[Self loading bear]

LIMRV
LIMRV (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hovertrain#LIMRV)

[Russell Gulch]

Self loading bear has it. :ok: This and two other high-speed train types are the last remaining examples from '70s tests. They are at the
Pueblo Railroad Museum (http://www.pueblorailway.org/Pueblo%20Railway%20Museum%20-%20Rocket%20Cars.html)


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x450/p1120988_fc14199b7ed5e987663ab007cb51aee0a0240c47.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x450/p1120975_51d7077819715f8b240db960cf3e386875f8b49b.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x450/p1120994_3373f852622c1cd79c7b3d557133c4d4f2d118eb.jpg (.)
I hope everyone forgives the non-aviation element! SLB has control.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Russel,
after the others showed me the way it was only a quick google.
Quite cryptic about 2 out of 3 engines falling away. But completely correct!
The third being the original first engine only installed as generator .

I have something appropriate stored on my computer which i can only access tomorrow.
But i think the pace of this thread will allow this delay?

[BSD]

Fantastic to see this thread re-awakening.

This, “what Aerodrome?” And the Luton Airport thread are the best.

Now, if I was clever enough to find and post some cockpit pics, I would.

long live “what cockpit!”

BSD.

[dook]

Have a go at the Which Aerodrome challenge then.

[Self loading bear]

Here it is
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1834x1268/2019_09_27_193952_bbb4996776d411df4dd600078dd7955ae7e73d12.j pg

[dook]

Perhaps a BFW M.21

[Self loading bear]

Same era but this aircraft has been produced in far greater numbers (17 instead of 2)

[SincoTC]

That looks like a Walter NZ 60 up front, so could it be a Pander EC ??

[Self loading bear]

Tinco,
Very well spotted.
Pander E or EC
1 is being reproduced in the Netherlands at the moment.
A Pander Walter engine has been given to the Aviodrome museum.
Tinco at the controls.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/590x496/bbefa8cd_0a91_4e20_b179_72d0023918cd_0b9e5de299b59d8afab00be ae17e77a564f3c152.jpeg

[SincoTC]

Thanks SLB,

A good challenge! :ok: The number produced was a help, but I discounted the prototype model E because Wiki says that had an Anzani Six cylinder radial :8

I know this one has appeared on What Cockpit, but well over a decade ago and I'm not sure if it was this image as the original images don't seem to be available now, so let's give it another try :)

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/997x632/tc_wc001_d4995a51ca0365d9e7e4e51d1cf2bc4e99a07123.jpg

[dook]

Good morning TC.

You shouldn't be up so late at your age !

Was this a seaplane/flying boat ?

[sycamore]

Aunty Annie...?

[SincoTC]

Good morning dook :ok:

Good morning TC.

You shouldn't be up so late at your age !

Was this a seaplane/flying boat ?

Thank you for your concern!! :p

Well spotted as usual! It was indeed a flying-boat (was it the mooring hatch and perforated floor)?

[dook]

Yes - those two things led me to think flying boat.

Suspect twin-engine without variable pitch and possibly German.

[SincoTC]

Suspect twin-engine without variable pitch and possibly German.

Half correct, twin engines with plain 2-blade wooden props, but not German !!

[dook]

One pusher and one puller ?

[SincoTC]

Both Tractor, but not without problems!

[dook]

British as in SR ?

[SincoTC]

Yes and No!! :)

[dook]

Goshawk steam-cooled engines ?

[SincoTC]

Goshawk steam-cooled engines ?

Guilty as charged!! That should narrow it down a bit :uhoh:

[dook]

It might narrow it down to the Short Knucklduster.

[SincoTC]

No "might" about it mate! It is the Short S.18 Knuckleduster! Well done! :D

Maybe it was a bit ahead of its competitors at the time with its all metal Alclad construction and a bit of a wobbly tail at first, it was always hampered by it's unreliable Goshawk engine and had to cope with the drag of the two large "cooling towers" on each nacelle, but it paved the way for the successful Sunderland and the lessons learnt by Rolls-Royce with the Goshawk paid dividends when it came to developing the magnificent Merlin :8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Knuckleduster

dook has control :ok:

[dook]

Cheers TC.

Good job I bookmarked a flying boat site from the old days on another site.

Standby for another and a PM.

[dook]

Ball rolling again.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/530x469/cockpit_e4d3928481addb08fa530d21a84cbcfa8bfd9fa0.jpg

[SincoTC]

Cheers TC.

Good job I bookmarked a flying boat site from the old days on another site.

Standby for another and a PM.

Always worth keeping bookmarks, but unfortunately many are now broken :ugh:

In fact I received three identical PM messages, but maybe the new revamped site is a bit iffy in that area, it seemed like it when it wouldn't let me post, saying I wasn't logged in, despite green light on, when I obeyed and re logged in it hung up, fortunately I'd copied my reply to the clipboard, so it wasn't lost and I believe it has now gone!

Regretfully, I have to go now to a Family anniversary party!

Your new cockpit looks quite modern with some unusual features! but the fuel level indicator seems archaic!

British? American?

[dook]

American and not that old in terms of flying, but the design goes back to 1960.

[Self loading bear]

Is it an autogyro?

[dook]

No, a fixed-wing aeroplane.

[sycamore]

If you are 82 and want to do an 18 hour flight across USA,this was the machine to do it in...
Looks like it had `wet wings`,judging by the fuel cocks,and transfer arrangement,and probably 90 gals of fuel...Hope Arnold had a good `whoopee`cushion..
Ebenter E-1.....

[dook]

Good morning sycamore.

A great hit with the Ebenter E-1.

Quite a piece of kit and I believe still holds the record.

Your cockpit.

[sycamore]

something a bit earlier.....sorry,doesn`t want to open directly....

[dook]

That's no aeroplane surely.

A boat ?

[dook]

A Packard-Merlin Powered hydroplane ?

[sycamore]

A small aeroplane,and the engine produced about 1/40 power of a Merlin....

[dook]

Oh. Homebuilt microlight I assume.

Something silly like the WeeBee ?

[sycamore]

Designed and built 1928-30...with unique features...

[dook]

That's put me off the scent because I was working on the idea of a prone-position pilot.

[sycamore]

Well ,the seat was reclined about 30*.

[dook]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/289x500/the_beasts_cockpit_1__543292c3ab0e3ffce6909b1c260f90222bb085 bd.jpg

I was looking at the half yoke controls.

High g experimental ?

[sycamore]

No..it was/is stressed for 4g design,but non-aero....

[dook]

The thot plickens.

Ignoring the g aspect, American experimental ?

Just had a thunk - was it made by Lachassagne ?

[sycamore]

UK designed,built,flown,latterly under restoration....

[SincoTC]

Hi Sycamore,

Designed and built 1928-30...with unique features...

I was wondering if the unique features could be Rotary Ailerons ?

If so it could be a Henderson-Glenny Gadfly II ?? The engine seems about the right size and seat looks raked back on the side-view drawings!

[Self loading bear]

I was looking for cockpit photos of the Westland-Hill Pterodactyl series
when I found this:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/758x586/135a352b_e12c_4896_92cc_77b901d59dae_599c34dcb3ef15bb698ca85 a4c92db6557f7ee09.jpeg
Granger Archaeopteryx?

[dook]

………….


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/333x563/1265_1_508dfdf10132988fd79730f510d568d1f27f72f7.jpg

[SincoTC]

I think you're right on the mark SLB :ok: I just found this on a Japanese sight!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/565x771/grainger_cockpit_82b81bfa0b4cdfe9ff1e41a66d9875ab53f11ee2.jp g

[sycamore]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1540x2000/the_beast_in_flight_db2dc69046e2f88d8a11d6d609551dc2d002f752 .jpg
Here you go ,11/4/`77... at a well-known airfield.....be very careful SLB, your solo.....

[dook]

I posted the same pic just before you Sinco. PM for you btw.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Sycamore
I do not recognize the airfield so you can post that one on the other thread
So I have beaten the UKkies on their own turf?

How about this:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/832x487/04f59111_110c_423f_8a1a_4d0ad268bdd5_1bc689bf4809b7437d41794 9f7387294d96ad7a0.jpeg

If not found tonight, I will probably not be able to answer before Monday evening.

Succes!

SLB

[dook]

The yokes suggest Stratoliner..

[Self loading bear]

The yokes suggest Stratoliner..

Do you think I would make it that easy?

[dook]

No, but I've played this game for a few years on another site and it certainly looks Boeing to me.

[Self loading bear]

It was,
That is probably the best answer.

[dook]

I don't understand that, but that was my best shot so I give up.

[Blossy]

How about an earlier Boeing?

[Self loading bear]

No not earlier

[Cubs2jets]

Boeing 314.

Open house.

C2j

[Self loading bear]

Sorry Cubs
Then dook was closer

leveling off now

[dook]

Back on the case after sleep.

I failed to notice the absence of four sets of engine controls.

You are playing games Bear !

It is indeed a 307, but much modified and is now a boat - it's called the Cosmic Muffin.

Is anyone still looking at the aerodrome challenge ?

[Self loading bear]

Correct dook!
but it is definitely still an airplane cockpit!
Worth a google, it was Howard Hughes boat and now the only B-307 cockpit still in operation.
It planes at 20 knots.

[dook]

Thank you Bear.

I note you also speak American !


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x429/monday_11c4e9545e2fa8fabdd9c2869d44903e0750bcc6.png

[JENKINS]

C46 mayhap?

[dook]

No may - a C46.

Someone got there before you but doesn't play on this site.

Off ye go.

[JENKINS]

Thanks. Purely a chance encounter, and I do not yet have anything to add, so OH I fear.

When the Brazilian Barbie Jet came to these shores, many years ago ( 23 ) the sole type instructor was an elderly American gentleman who had flown C46 on military contracts in the Arctic. No concept of UK Airspace, but he had a golden touch with the aeroplane. Ground School instructor also very special!

[dook]

How about getting back to the aerodrome thread.

[Self loading bear]

Brazilian Barbie Jet?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1001x751/6d0f8c01_1572_4dac_94e5_0d83149deadd_e670a3879812d2b47caf8de e8eadd93f10412d6a.jpeg

[JENKINS]

Try Bijou Brazilian Barbie Jet.

[India Four Two]

Relax dook, it’s these little segues which add to the interest of PPRuNe threads.

I now have a new aircraft nickname to add to my list.

My favourites are still Budgie and DH Tea Kettle.

[SincoTC]

Thanks. Purely a chance encounter, and I do not yet have anything to add, so OH I fear.

Again, this has appeared on WC, but before my time and the image used is no longer available, but it should be fairly easy :)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/990x763/wc_tc002_e8549ccf43f50ff448877c5ebbfbc71dd07a1f48.jpg

[dook]

Morning TC.

The LH throttle quadrant indicates two engines but not the RH one. :uhoh:

Wossa that I camera I spy ?

British trainer ?

Maybe summat from Percival such as a Prentice.

[SincoTC]

Good morning dook,

Well that didn't last long did it :O

It is indeed the Prototype Percival Prentice from an article on its launch in the Fright Archives!

Control is yours :ok:

[dook]

Cheers TC.

There were a couple of things which looked familiar to an old RAF QFI.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x397/tues_64c64fed0eab7a20d76cdf1fcf9f765b37533462.jpg

[SincoTC]

There were a couple of things which looked familiar to an old RAF QFI.

Yes, that thought did cross my mind, so I expected it to be somewhat erksome [sic]!

I'm not really a great fan of cockpits!! :O This one does look pretty old to me!

WWI ? British ?

Maybe a Fokker ??

[dook]

WW1 but not British.

[SincoTC]

Prolly didn't see my edit?

How about a Fokker? Maybe a Dr.1 ?

[dook]

I did indeed miss your edit.

Well, it only lasted a little more than yours. :eek:

Fokker DR1 indeed so back to you.

[SincoTC]

Well, it only lasted a little more than yours. :eek:

Thanks! Pure luck on my part I assure you :)

Try this one from a little later!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/990x768/wc_tc003_afd473215853766d7397b868697c8fd77eed15ed.jpg

[dook]

Looking at the winding jobber on the right, sliding canopy ?

Has a German look about it.

[SincoTC]

Looking at the winding jobber on the right, sliding canopy ?

Has a German look about it.

Not sure about the winding thingy, 'tiz an open cockpit jobber, but it looks like my old school's pencil sharpener, text might indicate it's a manual starting magneto :confused:

It's not German though!

[dook]

Heard of manual advance/retard architecture in magnetos, but not a manual starting magneto.

Probably before the advent of impulse couplings.

[JENKINS]

Impulse couplings in turn superceded by the flux capacitor.

[dook]

I now know what the magneto crank is and found a photograph.

Methinks the aeroplane might be French possibly a Spad, but I'm put off by the wheel.

[SincoTC]

Heard of manual advance/retard architecture in magnetos, but not a manual starting magneto.

Probably before the advent of impulse couplings.

Me neither! I think it was only a non-synchronised booster, rather like a telephone ringer, but it sounds bloody dangerous if not used with some kind of wind-up starter!! :eek:

Dates from the twenties and not French

[dook]

Ah - the shower of sparks.

[dook]

Something from Vickers, such as the Vulcan ?

[SincoTC]

Not from Vickers but it is British !! :)

[sycamore]

Made by Blackburn.../

[dook]

Or de Havilland.

[SincoTC]

Sycamore is on the right trail :)

[dook]

T-3 Velos……?

[dook]

Swift T-1/Dart

Photo from Avia Deja Vu.

[SincoTC]

Swift T-1/Dart

Photo from Avia Deja Vu.

I got the photo from the Fright Archive, as do Avia Deja Vu, but that's the one! Well done :ok:

The original article from 1925 just called it the Dart Seaplane :)

Your control

[dook]

The text refers to a "starting magneto".

[dook]

Cheers TC.

This looks odd to me.....


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/668x380/copy_abf779ca48e1ddc7d7e17a7965eecc2f14c07449.jpg

[SincoTC]

Cheers TC.

This looks odd to me.....

Well, I guess it can't be a little bit pregnant can it :hmm:

Reckon it's a Boeing 377 Super Guppy innit?

[dook]

Like innit wotevva.

Shoot...…..

[SincoTC]

Sorry this one isn't pin-sharp!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1100x743/wc_tc004_859d125b647ab02a6e74d4999d06f7995a138b30.jpg

[dook]

I think that's an airship looking at the amount of transparent panels.

[SincoTC]

I think that's an airship looking at the amount of transparent panels.

That was my first impression too,:E but it is a fixed wing jobber!

[dook]

Good grief. :(

[dook]

Found a better pic and the manufacturer - just looking for the model.

edit: I think the site is incorrect, but says it's a Breda.

[SincoTC]

Good grief. :(

:E I think there's just about enough resolution for a bit of pattern recognition on the centre console which should help!! :)

I'm gonna be out all day tomorrow, so hopefully it'll go tonight, but carry on if you find the image or a clearer confirmatory one!

[dook]

This is what I found. The text says Breda but that's all.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x341/cockpit_of_an_airplane_breda_italy_1920_30_rgpefa_3b2ca93cb9 8be652d55a02c5c0e12c27f6eadba9.jpg

[dook]

Now found Breda Ba.32.

[SincoTC]

Now found Breda Ba.32.

That's it mate, well found :ok:

I found that same image in the FA, it's also on Avia Deja Vue as usual, but it was too good, so I got the less detailed image from L'Aérophile :E but you're too good for that !!

You have control

[dook]

Good one.

Nuvver…


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x395/copy_2__d0026e4a3a3c2757da866811bd3f32b5a341d095.jpg

[SincoTC]

Hmm, :confused: wossat vertical thingy going up through the cabin roof behind the pilot's seat ??

[dook]

Wish I knew.

However, an external photo shows a roof ADF aerial on the fuselage left side, so my bet it's the base for manual rotation of the loop antenna.

[dixi188]

I bet it is a "DF" and not an "ADF".

[Self loading bear]

4 propeller flying boat?

[India Four Two]

Boeing XB-15. I stumbled on this the other day while researching a previous challenge.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1190x750/3cf41dfe_ce93_4d74_baa5_793b1ca61a3d_7ba6b8761262f93de71ff72 b57b8d00536b1cc55.jpeg


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1289x285/f6298c8a_6937_4009_affe_1091aee4ff14_704923e4114e2af3019b3e4 e8f19355ec8359eea.jpeg
See this page:
https://aafradio.org/flightdeck/1935/SCR-AE-183.html

PS Alternatively it might be an inter-crew top-secret pneumatic tube messaging system!

I see a Caption Competition challenge here!
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/982x758/xb_15_9af17549d35f63271daefa1f24772c8cfa7e2c27.jpg

[dook]

There's a shot I42.

The XB-15 it is.

Your stage. :ok:

[India Four Two]

The history of the single XB-15 is worth reading. Record-breaking flights and then useful service as a transport, followed by an ignominious end as landfill in Panama!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_XB-15

Here’s any easy one. Later models had the instrument panel attached to the canopy, to improve the chances of baling out!


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x981/630b3a56_520d_4979_85a4_82f4c0580590_637fe1032d0021cefade2db 8cd48867b4cf8a2d8.jpeg

[dook]

No engine instruments so certainly a sailplane.

Judging by the ASI quite a high-performance one too.

[India Four Two]

Quite modest performance by present day standards.

[dook]

It's a Schleicher for sure bur there are loads of them with basically the same panel.

Trying to find the model.

[dook]

Bit of a nightmare this - they all basically look the same.

Let's start with the ASW-19.

edit: found a pic of the very similar 20.

[India Four Two]

dook, I recommend you stick with your first answer. The ASW-19 - an over-forty year old glider, but a delight to fly. A bit worrying when I slide my size-12s under the instrument panel.

Here's the one I fly:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1504/asw_19_c_gtzz_img_4013_11372ae5584decd2542c4608d336826ce5c90 aee.jpg

dook has control.

[dook]

Cheers India.

It certainly doesn't look that old.

This is though.....


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/345x500/copy_9961a02ce3bc50e93badbe2a704ee48bbb186972.jpg

[India Four Two]

Is this one of Sikorsky's aircraft?

[dook]

No I'm afraid. Most of his stuff were helicopters but this is fixed wing.

European.

[Allan Lupton]

No I'm afraid. Most of his stuff were helicopters
.Not before 1942 I'd say. They made things like this:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x231/300px_sikorsky_s40_panam_1931_6938e4f24137324c417c9a66f2e458 4c0e926197.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Abrams P1 Explorer

C2j

[dook]

Good morning Cubs.

This is a floatplane and I have already said it's European.

[sycamore]

French....?

[dook]

No Signore.

[India Four Two]

Not before 1942 I'd say. They made things like this.

I was thinking before 1917 when Sikorsky built things like this :)


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x250/1e51ff30_8f5a_4837_96f8_9b3e2b5bd618_b3866657bb9dccc1a1bc32b 3044e3404ae52346f.jpeg

[sycamore]

Single engine....?..Probably Italiano then....

[SincoTC]

It has a similar Panel layout and stick to a Breda Ba.15 ?

[dook]

There's a very good reason for that - it is the Breda Ba.15, in this case the Idro seaplane variant.

I wondered when you would appear. All yours TC. Nicely done. :)

[SincoTC]

Thanks dook, let's try this one!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1002x847/wc_tc005_e156522b41c07dcc3434f531cc0c74140be0d122.jpg

[dook]

Something about that says American. :uhoh:

Either one engine or none.

[SincoTC]

Something about that says American. :uhoh:

Either one engine or none.

Not American and one engine :)

[dook]

Possibly Gypsy engines on the one in the background.

British ?

[SincoTC]

Yes, it is British :ok:

However, the engine is American! :)

[dook]

Is that engine at the front or on a high wing ?

It seems to have no doors, but do they open upwards ?

[SincoTC]

Is that engine at the front or on a high wing ?

It seems to have no doors, but do they open upwards ?

Engine up front and doors open forward, I'll pan the view to show the engine and door with pocket :)

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/670x609/wc_tc005b_860aea1407dbd8256fb9e51c0175992a4f4cac5a.jpg

[dook]

I did think it's a prop blade top left in your original but wasn't sure.

I've spent a long time on F Archive to no avail.

[SincoTC]

I did think it's a prop blade top left in your original but wasn't sure.

I've spent a long time on F Archive to no avail.

Oh dear!! I thought I'd try a different source :E but it did come from a site that uses a lot of FA copy :)

[India Four Two]

That nose wheel looked very familiar. After a bit of searching, how about the Chryslea Super Ace?

On second thoughts, just the Ace?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/960x420/ace_b01930309a7173c6b488e22bf57107171d625b77.jpg

[dook]

Was this designed by J.H.Payne ?

[SincoTC]

Hi I-42

That nose wheel looked very familiar. After a bit of searching, how about the Chryslea Super Ace?

On second thoughts, just the Ace?

Yes, it is indeed the Lycoming powered prototype Chryslea CH-3 Ace !! Well found :D

I rather thought it might be the novel control wheels rather than the nosewheel that would be its undoing!

The system wasn't well received and they soon reverted to more conventional controls!

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/916x467/79_3_37cad7f5aa4a387c35e1e3a0d09d146ef78b1b8f.jpg

India Four Two has control :ok:

[India Four Two]

Thank you, Sinco.

Besides the novel control wheel, there was an issue with the fin and rudder, which I discovered during my research:

The large cabin, around which the aircraft had largely been designed, created turbulent airflow which tended to blanket the tail surfaces at low speeds. Test pilot Rex Stedman had considerable difficulty making turns during early flights.

Within three weeks of its first flight the Ace had been fitted with twin fins and rudders and the dihedral of the wings had been reduced.


Nothing immediately available so Open House

[dook]

I don't think I would have found that. :{

[dook]

Off topic.

Is this the original flying car ?


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x300/seagull_car_300x193_657e87ed6341cc36bf02516409df29b52f8740c0 .jpg

[SincoTC]

Was this designed by J.H.Payne ?

According to Wikipedia it was designed by R.C. Christoforides and it was in the FA, but not where I originally found it :)

https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1946/1946%20-%201596.PDF

[dook]

Smartass !...

[India Four Two]

I don't think I would have found that. https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/boohoo.gif

I don't think I would have wanted to fly it! :eek:

[dook]

Weird wasn't it. No pilot would have designed that surely.

[dook]

I have a challenge ready but it's probably better to wait for someone else.

[sycamore]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1667/2019_10_02_211549_6898759c4ac047fb2fe9c15caa8a7db3eacc5f4e.j pg
For the late shift then;;got a few hours on this...

[dook]

Look Mum - no stick.

RAF ?

Looking carefully, methinks it had a bombing capability.

[SincoTC]

Hmm, I'm thinking Grumman XTBF/TBF/TBM Avenger ??

[dook]

Then sycamore is a lot older than the rest of us.

edit: I am now thinking you are correct.

How has he got a few hours on it ?

[sycamore]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1626/2019_10_04_112048_fat_charlie_ed5187cad40b8dee9f4835f8b6c39b 371225d5e7.jpg
SincoTC....head on headrest,left arm fully fwd holding 56" boost friction on,watch the `shooter,stick in middle,and WHOOOSH,you`re airborne...

[sycamore]

I have the greatest admiration for the Naval aviators who flew Avengers ,as it is rock -hard stable as a bomber,but it has a rather short stick,because the bottom of the instrument panel has a `slide-out` nav table/plotter ,which is over the top of the stick,making the stick forces very heavy in pitch,so you have to use the trimmer,if you want to be `vigorous`,especially pointed downhill....but then the adrenaline would help....also need some power-on for a 3-pointer,otherwise you run out of elevator control...then it`s` messy`...This one had the same motor it came out of the shipyard in 1945 with,,,cruised at about 1500 ,counting the blades....

[SincoTC]

SincoTC....head on headrest,left arm fully fwd holding 56" boost friction on,watch the `shooter,stick in middle,and WHOOOSH,you`re airborne...

Thanks Sycamore! A good challenge and fun to track down! :ok: Those cylinders on the rudder pedals got me on the way :8

When did you fly one of these?

Working on a new Challenge will post ASAP

[sycamore]

Flew it between `92-04,then it was sold in 06...belonged to a friend of mine,so I filled in if he couldn`t do an airshow....this was a recce` model ,had a stick in the centre cockpit,and seats in rear one...One was reported to have flown a rugby/football team to a game in the usa....

[SincoTC]

Flew it between `92-04,then it was sold in 06...belonged to a friend of mine,so I filled in if he couldn`t do an airshow....this was a recce` model ,had a stick in the centre cockpit,and seats in rear one...One was reported to have flown a rugby/football team to a game in the usa....

Brilliant thanks, great one to have in the log-book! :ok:

That sounds like a load of adrenaline filled fun! All done in the USA or did it get over here?

Re flying the football team (not by you), several flights I take it, or a crazy attempt at a Guinness World Record!! :ooh: :)

[SincoTC]

Here's the next cockpit, has been on an early WC, but not sure if this mark or image!

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/990x524/wc_tc006_4b7d1784e1a597094ba6ffb832057dd50e79bce6.jpg

[dook]

Artnoon TC.

Stirling ?

Source says it's a Mk3.

[SincoTC]

Artnoon dook.

Artnoon TC.

Stirling ?

Source says it's a Mk3.

It is indeed a Short Stirling Mk.III

You have control. Well done :ok:

[dook]

Cheers TC.

Bookmarked a couple of good sites since this thread started again.

I feel this one might be easy....


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x336/friday_65d7d9e6fa96835f517236c9b60a70a51b537bd2.jpg

[sycamore]

Miles Gemini......?

[dook]

Arteenoon sycamore.

Not a Miles aeroplane.

[sycamore]

how about Percival Q6....?

[dook]

'fraid not.

Ahh......….you are in the right country though.

[sycamore]

Similar timescale....Gipsy Queens...?...

Sinco..UK REG...came on a ship,now in Swtznd...I believe the football story was off a Carrier....

[SincoTC]

Evening dook,

Your cockpit took a bit of finding, but it seems to be a DH.90 Dragonfly for the Australian market?

[dook]

Gypsy Majors.

First one 1936.

edit: that was for sycamore.

Totally overtaken by the Sinco chap.

Nicely done TC - all yours.