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washoutt
4th May 2023, 08:25
The propeller centerline is off-set from the aircraft centerline. What could the reason for that be?

Archer4
4th May 2023, 09:05
The propeller centerline is off-set from the aircraft centerline. What could the reason for that be?

Is the prop off-set or the nose weel?

Asturias56
4th May 2023, 13:18
nose wheel is clearly in line wtithe rudder itneh front view. The prop offset can be seen on top and front view

washoutt
5th May 2023, 09:53
Has it to do with gyroscopic effects of the turning propeller and the resulting forces on the aircraft?

ea200
5th May 2023, 10:30
Has it to do with gyroscopic effects of the turning propeller and the resulting forces on the aircraft?
In a single engine prop aircraft the combination of torque and propwash hitting the vertical stabiliser tends to yaw the aircraft. This is normally dealt with by a slight offset of the fin, or in more powerful aircraft by a rudder trim system. Offset thrust line can also be used but is less common. Have a look at P-factor.

Noyade
5th May 2023, 12:29
OK.
I think times up on this one. Reveal and declare Open House.
The Brokaw Bullet.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x814/scan1330_9285b89f91b25f1db33639fc57ca7abd545282ff.jpg

Noyade
12th May 2023, 03:31
Another...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x755/scan1324_65a8391e7481345c7b8f62205483695a8b0b21f5.jpg

Asturias56
12th May 2023, 07:27
OK "Solo from front seat only " placard - so two seats at least!

ex-military?

tailwheel??

Noyade
12th May 2023, 08:02
Correct on all three queries. :)

Asturias56
12th May 2023, 09:48
European?

SFCC
12th May 2023, 15:54
Nord 3202
OH if correct

Noyade
13th May 2023, 08:30
:ok:

OPEN HOUSE.

meleagertoo
27th May 2023, 01:18
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/556x428/screenshot_2023_05_27_at_02_17_16_0ae38a77bfaedf563ff1ac928d 9a85a755b3979b.png

PAAdinnerkey
27th May 2023, 05:12
Sikorsky S42
to Open House

Senior Pilot
27th May 2023, 06:30
Point of order Mr Chairman.
What happened to the 24 hour rule?

Obviously time for a reminder!

Please, let us return to the gentlemanly manner that this Forum is known for 👍

meleagertoo
27th May 2023, 10:59
I guess that as a very first post PAA is unaware of the protocols here - only one of which is the 24hr rule, which applies to the poster of the pic who is the only one allowed to confirm or deny the id. Only after that may the winner declare OH.

Thus I will remain silent on the matter until tomorrow morning when I will confirm or reject the answer as appropriate.

meleagertoo
28th May 2023, 11:28
PAA, correct, you have control.

PAAdinnerkey
28th May 2023, 14:24
Open House, please.

rixt
28th May 2023, 17:06
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1672x1254/cockpit1_5264361b6b8c68c4f9fa0a09d5b859115c813053.jpg

D26
28th May 2023, 20:57
Single engine, liquid cooled, prototype. A country in the west of Europe.

meleagertoo
28th May 2023, 22:42
Switch panel appears labelled in Dutch (or Flemish) doubtful German.
Piston engine watercooled and probably supercharged due boost gauge.
VSI and turn and slip so it was intended to fly. But why/how those yet no altimerter or ASI unless it wasn't expected to move fast or much off the ground yet vertical speed was important?
Two very prominent Air Pressure gauges, clearly of importance. Very odd.

I've been thinking tipjet helicopter but no rotor RPM gauge. Autogyro needs one too (plus an ASI)
FAKKEL is Dutch & German for torch (igniter? flare?) but appears to be associated with cb's , not a switch.
H-SHAK means H-check in Dutch and German.
The rotary switch labelled AAN UIT INEN means on, off, in in Dutch, meaningless in German.
Structure is very lightweight and insubstantial.

Good challenge!

Self loading bear
29th May 2023, 09:15
Mel
Your Dutch could all be Finnish to me!

meleagertoo
29th May 2023, 12:04
Well well!
While FAKKEL also means 'torch' in Finnish google says AAN UIT INEN means 'Im swimming' - and of the individual words; AAN = I will, UIT = swimming and INEN is not a Finnish word.

Swimming implies a water-fowl so we arrive at the Eklund TE-1 flying boat, except it isn't that.

rixt
29th May 2023, 12:37
Swimming implies a water-fowl so we arrive at the Eklund TE-1 flying boat, except it isn't that.

You assume right, it is not the Eklund TE-1 flying boat.

Self loading bear
29th May 2023, 14:46
Mel I am sorry you picked up my clue so literally.
It is indeed Dutch on the dashboard.
Fakkel is torch but could refer to a signal torchlight.
H-Schak. Is probably abbreviated Hoofdschakelaar so Main switch
SEINKNOP NAV. means signal switch/button navigation (or navigator) (yes two seater)
AAN = on (probably continuously)
UIT = off
The word ..INEN is partially covered by the switch knob and is SEINEN = signaling.
the 2 breakers are probably 2 small push buttons signal intermittently.
I have not yet found a photo of the Finnish version of the same cockpit.
There are however photos of same type Dutch cockpits with Air Speed indicator and Altitude meter. So just a proper airplane.

meleagertoo
29th May 2023, 23:05
Devious little Fokker.
I'll raise you ten.

And still none the wiser re the two air gauges centre-stage. What are they for?

rixt
30th May 2023, 07:29
Devious little Fokker.
Your right, a Fokker product.


. What are they for?

It seems this photo was made in de the factory and that they simply fitted a second air speed gauge by mistake or just to have a gauge in instead of an open hole when they made the photo.

sycamore
30th May 2023, 07:53
The air /pneumatics are possibly for air -charging the guns,or brakes/flaps,,cheaper and simpler than hydraulics.

D26
30th May 2023, 12:56
My guess is the Fokker D 17 prototype with Curtiss Conqueror engine.
On the lower center panel are two air speed indicators, with their pitot heads located at different positions on the air frame. The series aircraft had a different instrument panel.

rixt
30th May 2023, 14:56
No, not the D.17.

meleagertoo
30th May 2023, 19:47
As I'd already said in #3526 - in which I thought I'd identified it unambiguously enough - so I claim my right to call it a Fokker C.10.
Unless the image appended is incorectly labelled of course.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/281x234/screenshot_2023_05_30_at_20_40_31_190ffba748a752c8c97001f15b 585fd3fac410f5.png

Self loading bear
30th May 2023, 21:28
Mel,

You forgot to state the C
There have been Fokker types C.X D.X F.X F-10 S.X T.10 and V.10.

meleagertoo
31st May 2023, 01:20
Then it was my wrong!

rixt
31st May 2023, 08:02
As I'd already said in #3526 - in which I thought I'd identified it unambiguously enough - so I claim my right to call it a Fokker C.10.
Unless the image appended is incorectly labelled of course.




Correct, it is the Fokker C.X!

rixt
31st May 2023, 09:04
This photo is of the cockpit of the Fokker C.X replica which was built in the Netherlands. By lack of genuine instruments they used what they had on the shelf. Only the compass and the little box with the 3 lights ( Askania L sig 8-2) are like it should be.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1672x1254/cockpitcxforum2_2b69144bffd90562242b3910470246220d45798d.jpg

meleagertoo
1st Jun 2023, 09:13
Open House.

rixt
1st Jun 2023, 09:27
Ok, another one from my laptop:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/709x713/cockpit2_c8b2b84d639c0abdf286a3badc24cf6081e0a56e.jpg

Asturias56
2nd Jun 2023, 07:53
well big comfy seats anyway...................

rixt
5th Jun 2023, 08:57
Yes, a difficult one. No one want to make a guess?

D26
6th Jun 2023, 20:25
Difoga 421. Bergen op Zoom, The Netherlands.

rixt
7th Jun 2023, 08:35
Correct D26!

D26
7th Jun 2023, 17:00
Thank you! I thought, because you live in the Netherlands, it could be a type from your country. by the look of the frames, it might be a wooden air frame. The nose wheel is visible and the cockpit low to the ground, it made me think of a pusher single engine aircraft. Not difficult to find in the net.

Open house please.

Noyade
11th Jun 2023, 01:37
Another pusher.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x812/scan1315_2ae25e7d1c535c0b74e2bb7f9bd2d01711cd3504.jpg

meleagertoo
11th Jun 2023, 14:11
Falcon XP

Noyade
13th Jun 2023, 00:09
Falcon XP

:ok:
Over to you Mel.

meleagertoo
14th Jun 2023, 14:20
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/366x219/screenshot_2023_06_14_at_15_18_42_711a0d8eed238af6052c012422 be52e3528461ad.png

Noyade
14th Jun 2023, 21:39
Bleriot 125.

meleagertoo
16th Jun 2023, 09:01
I didn't think that would last long.

Noyade has it.

Noyade
17th Jun 2023, 04:43
Cheers.

Another pusher...



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/799x434/scan1316_b292d0bd1f7f4f910918eb9d739273f71a05a5ba.jpg

Noyade
18th Jun 2023, 20:30
From Denmark.

TCU
19th Jun 2023, 20:00
Is that a canard at the front?

Christensen Opus 3?

Noyade
21st Jun 2023, 00:55
Apologies for the late confirmation, TCU - but yes, the Opus it is. :ok:

Over to you.

TCU
21st Jun 2023, 08:04
Thank you Noyade
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x1136/dd4c0ad1_45b8_4e33_a405_4ad2648e5873_d4c449dadcb12c1931f8068 9b582309e44cc64e8.jpeg

India Four Two
21st Jun 2023, 08:51
I see "Landing Gear", so American twin?

TCU
21st Jun 2023, 14:25
Not American

sycamore
23rd Jun 2023, 14:20
Dove/Devon....?

dixi188
23rd Jun 2023, 15:27
I'm thinking, British twin, built with the hope of selling to the USA.
Is that a hood over a radar scope on the right?

TCU
23rd Jun 2023, 20:23
Not British, but you chaps are getting warmer. Radar very much part of this birds modus operandi


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/392x454/24476cc8_d070_4627_a34a_ef9b40a6898b_1_201_a_ef973b51fef640e 70a75ea4ed373fa53fef63c03.jpeg

TCU
24th Jun 2023, 09:19
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1334x750/ec0a421e_dd91_4d63_9036_06f4cae89422_1_201_a_42184b48494a9f0 ce6d55baf95f93b06c6e4f791.jpeg

D26
24th Jun 2023, 13:55
PIAGGO P 166S it is!

TCU
24th Jun 2023, 20:05
Well done D26, over to you.

It is the P166S....this particular image of SAAF Albatross 896 which can be seen at the SAAF Museum, Ysterplaat, Cape Town

D26
24th Jun 2023, 20:54
Thanks TCU. When it became clear that it was not US or UK, I went to look for a medium sized piston twin. Not results on Canadian, French, Spanish, Swedish aircraft.
Then I discovered Piaggo from Italy.
I also went for the DECCA moving map which is visible just in front of the trottle quadrant, however without map here. No results from there.

Open House please.

meleagertoo
27th Jun 2023, 12:22
This won't last long.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/411x502/screenshot_2023_06_27_at_13_16_46_9a13c180e97519c7fbb30353da 98ea0d9438a815.png

D26
28th Jun 2023, 18:27
I say, it's an Armstrong Whitworth Albemarle, A.W. 41

meleagertoo
28th Jun 2023, 19:11
And sady I have to wait a day to comment!Impressive ident though!

meleagertoo
3rd Jul 2023, 13:20
Oops! DA26 hs the challenge. Over to you!

D26
3rd Jul 2023, 15:26
Thanks meleagertoo!
From the picture, I thought it was British and I started from there. Another clue was the lever inside the control wheel which activated the air operated wheel brakes.
Open house please!

TCU
3rd Jul 2023, 19:34
Here goes:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x1334/1a1886fb_3fd9_4bc7_821b_dc532328fcb0_1_102_o_f2bf99b1af93322 73a4c69b0cc746803091ac0cf.jpeg

BSD
4th Jul 2023, 07:46
Hmmmm. Wheel lock? That makes it a Tail wheel. All those engine controls, ignition switch, carbon heat etc., has to make it a big piston, probably a radial. I'm thinking some sort of large ag-plane, Thrush, Snow or similar. Racking my brains to remember what's in (TCU's) favourite hunting ground - the wonderful SAAF museum at Ysterplaat but can't recall any such type.

Must try harder!

BSD.

sycamore
4th Jul 2023, 08:22
...pr maybe a Helio Courier,as I believe you could unlock the mains for X-winds...?

TCU
4th Jul 2023, 11:55
BSD and sycamore, as within 24hrs, all I shall note is that I have attempted to shake off my Ysterplaat predictability by venturing a little further up the N2 for this cockpit.

meleagertoo
4th Jul 2023, 12:29
Sycamore's on the right lines.
It's the Aermacchi AM.3CM Bosbok

TCU
5th Jul 2023, 11:41
meleagertoo...sorry for the delay in confirming your correct analysis. Indeed the splendid Bosbok, one of which is based and very much active, at my local airfield, Stellenbosch. All yours Sir.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/736x920/3862ba8c_c392_4858_907f_1c32f0f315c3_1_201_a_56873539fa679b8 817e048b8c9c50c6f24f5590d.jpeg\


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/749x904/1adb40df_a51b_40e7_8336_86b0af6588df_1_201_a_2cd08d012fde8f3 77e8ddf53b2e9aa3675f2ebc4.jpeg

meleagertoo
6th Jul 2023, 14:36
The Bosbok looks a very capable machine, not come across it before.

Anyhow, here's the next easy one.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/263x294/screenshot_2023_07_06_at_15_34_05_cf84df2972bcb467e658791eb6 79a3293839dea6.png

D26
7th Jul 2023, 18:26
Not so easy as you say. Most likely an early Sperry autopilot installed in a Douglas C-47 Dakota. However, I am irritated by the shape of the handles of the engine levers, angular instead of round.

meleagertoo
7th Jul 2023, 20:34
Here's a more generous view. A little later than the DC3 and shares an unusual characteristic with one of UK's iconic twins - and for the same reason.
Made in considerable numbers it played a significant and vital role in WW2. Sadly this unsung, doughty and impressive craft is represented today by just one single complete example.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/307x650/screenshot_2023_07_07_at_21_15_15_c083c46293c5fb6b4ce297c7d5 248e2c080eca0b.png

ea200
7th Jul 2023, 21:12
Beechcraft AT-10?

meleagertoo
8th Jul 2023, 18:12
And so it is.

All yours.

ea200
8th Jul 2023, 19:05
Thanks Mel. Your last clue made me think immediately of the 'Wooden Wonder'.

Here's a type I haven't flown for a long time.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/168x111/cockpit2_e417368e2586cfb1758a0381bd6cd647d3a6bf71.jpg

D26
9th Jul 2023, 06:58
My guess is, the cockpit of a Rollason Condor (Druine)?

ea200
9th Jul 2023, 20:37
Well done D26, it is indeed a Rollason D62 Condor. Over to you.

D26
9th Jul 2023, 21:06
Thanks very much. In this case:

Open house please!

dixi188
15th Jul 2023, 10:27
Another 4 Engined aircraft.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x416/what_cockpit_14_7_23_8500956401ea8a88da8894f104a57f07c4aabc2 3.jpg
Sorry about the quality, it was scanned from an old book.

Asturias56
15th Jul 2023, 12:21
Airliner?

D26
15th Jul 2023, 14:46
Would that be a Handley Page Hermes?

Asturias56
15th Jul 2023, 15:46
Looks like it :ok:

D26
15th Jul 2023, 18:00
Let's sleep over it :ok:

thnarg
15th Jul 2023, 19:01
And here it is in Handley Page green, which many of us are grateful was not used in the Herald…

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1640x1229/img_3839_1d0c056f80b9ae7d1b4ecbcfbfa7ae00b9f27013.jpeg
Good night everyone.

dixi188
16th Jul 2023, 10:33
I didn't think it would take long.
D26 has it.

D26
16th Jul 2023, 11:23
Thank you!
Open house, gentlemen!

Noyade
18th Jul 2023, 09:16
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/560x586/scan1396_7920be41c9768565853204f8fd2a1c1e8089ccb8.jpg

thnarg
18th Jul 2023, 10:20
Yes that’s technically a view of a cockpit! Biplane floatplane?

Noyade
18th Jul 2023, 20:40
Yes, biplane floatplane.
There is a Canadian connection.

meleagertoo
19th Jul 2023, 12:21
My goodness, Canadian Vickers built some absolute mingers! This has a considerable family resemblance to the hideous Vanessa and Velos but it isn't either of those.

thnarg
19th Jul 2023, 12:57
“… a Canadian connection”. So is it Canadian, or maybe American and flew up to the GWN? Or built somewhere else by an expat Canadian? Did it run on maple syrup?

And what are those little roof rails for?

thnarg
19th Jul 2023, 13:27
Ah, I found it and it’s American but built for the Canadians. Still can’t work out what those rails are for though…

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/529x527/img_3854_73fcfa527c1626a56a77d1bdf56b4eac5648712d.jpeg

meleagertoo
19th Jul 2023, 19:42
Mmm. It seems the minging Canadian style spread to the USA too. I wonder if Orville hung his head in shame, being associated - even so remotely - with that excrescence? Rails...Extended pitot heads to get beyond the spray of take off? That said, I have little belief they though tin terms of of twin altimeters then so probably not. Rigging for mosquito nets for the Canadian summer then? Or just to get accurate pressure readings ahead of the not inconsiderable bow-wave of that grotesque aerial whale?

Noyade
19th Jul 2023, 22:44
Rumbled by two very clever PPRuNers. :)
But I would like a Manufacturer and Designation please - to complete the paperwork.

In the meantime - internal shot....


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x413/fp2_7_e2bec625f11cbf8aee672f084cf4cfb4d0730ed0.jpg

Noyade
19th Jul 2023, 22:50
Ah, I found it and it’s American but built for the Canadians. Still can’t work out what those rails are for though…


Munson talks about the 'mystery' machine carrying canoes - plural.
I wonder if one was carried inverted on that crude looking roof rack? With the x-wire bracing preventing it sitting further back?
If so, it probably improved aerodynamics. :)


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x393/scan1399_a25940f53e2ca884e983eefe4377bc0e558cf1d5.jpg

thnarg
20th Jul 2023, 07:32
Dayton-Wright FP.2 should complete the paperwork for you, seen here in its pusher config…

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/936x568/img_3859_aa405873b9a9d093ba794814676bf402e5eada6b.jpeg
… and that canoe rack theory does make sense Noyade. It could also support a tarp or insect net after a hard day’s work counting trees.

And I don’t think it’s minging at all, mel!

meleagertoo
20th Jul 2023, 10:26
Ha - roof rack! No wonder we never thought of that!

Noyade
20th Jul 2023, 23:45
Dayton-Wright FP.2 should complete the paperwork for you

It does.
Proceed. :)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x124/scan1405_34163975c35f5f10a7dee2f8b46b02f7bd17b58f.jpg

thnarg
21st Jul 2023, 07:47
G’day Noyade and thanks. That goes in my training file.

A genuine query if I may because I don’t know this one. Regular readers will know my aircraft recognition has limitations and looking on the interweb recently concerning a family connection I saw this labelled as a Handley Page Halifax cockpit:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1198/img_3860_5c1194b039e71224fe783e68197e18c156506f59.jpeg
… which it obviously isn’t, but what is it?

No prizes, just gratitude (although Noyade might send you a certificate).

dixi188
21st Jul 2023, 08:43
I love the light switch above the throttles, my first house had those.
No idea what cockpit though.

D26
21st Jul 2023, 09:40
Not so difficult this time: AVRO ANSON MK 1. K6183. Beautifully restored.
It's for sale too! https://www.classicaircraftsales.com/listings/avro-anson

thnarg
21st Jul 2023, 09:53
Thanks for that D26, and you’re right it is a lovely restoration. Ironically I was at the Omaka museum earlier this year and highly recommend a visit. And Dixi, that brass switch is for the headlight!

D26 can now resume normal service.

D26
21st Jul 2023, 10:37
Thanks thnarg. The brass switch and the magnetic compass pointed to a British aircraft. The instrument in general look WW2 and the size of the cockpit to a medium size twin engine aircraft.

Open House please.

meleagertoo
22nd Jul 2023, 11:55
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/566x427/screenshot_2023_07_22_at_12_49_57_0232d7cf82565a1db76b2265ca 4ff7e59d8eb957.png

thnarg
23rd Jul 2023, 10:59
Very quiet over here today so let’s start.
Twin engine, open cockpit (or sliding canopy?). Can’t see a gear lever unless it’s one of those at the bottom of the column, so fixed gear? Wouldn’t have liked to fly it in IMC with those instruments, so military?

BEagle
23rd Jul 2023, 11:18
Weird looking thing:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x271/23_july_2023_a35c7effadfe202bc19366809b0e9b59b48bf790.jpegBe lyayev DB-LK

meleagertoo
23rd Jul 2023, 11:43
How the heck did you do that?

Asturias56
24th Jul 2023, 08:14
Weird looking thing:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x271/23_july_2023_a35c7effadfe202bc19366809b0e9b59b48bf790.jpegBe lyayev DB-LK
looks like the Twin Mustang

meleagertoo
24th Jul 2023, 10:58
Asturias has control with yet another miraculous ident!

No he doesn't! My mistake, this is Beagle's win.
How did you get that Beags? Did you recognise it or research it? - I thought this was so unusual it'd escaped most peoples'notice.

To me it bears very little resemblance to the Twin Mustang, or to anything else for that matter. A real one of a kind.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/286x174/screenshot_2023_07_24_at_11_55_28_78421342b114095aacfe274517 c0b73601fa2ef5.png
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/632x350/screenshot_2023_07_24_at_11_54_55_978b9b604583eccc24990b60b6 c30b6cf5be7fd4.png

BEagle
24th Jul 2023, 11:09
Looks like the Twin Mustang

The Belyayev DB-LK was a prototype Russian long-range bomber, whereas the much smaller F-82 was a long-range fighter:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x522/f_82_c04455c453eb6082d1115a6f7c31ba5143c86d95.jpg

Err, actually meleagertoo, I identfied it first and was waiting until 24hr before posting a new challenge!

But as you wish....

meleagertoo
24th Jul 2023, 12:14
Sorry Beagle, my mistake - of course you did. Post amended.

BEagle
24th Jul 2023, 14:27
Thanks, meleagertoo!

Next cockpit challenge:


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x540/quiz_8128f74e4373818c572ded7f662ea5835f04d586.jpg

D26
24th Jul 2023, 16:13
That's an easy one!

Noyade
25th Jul 2023, 06:40
Focke-Wulf Fw 190D-9?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x800/20230725_163647_36cc8f097a015f9d0a54d2dfeb410f8c2fb492fa.jpg

Noyade
25th Jul 2023, 06:47
Constellation....

Another one - saw this one at HARS Aviation Museum in Albion Park...


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x1268/20200226_102254_ed9cf94da9c90725414ae86156012e1234571d84.jpg

BEagle
25th Jul 2023, 11:14
Focke-Wulf Fw 190D-9?

Nope. Close though.....LATER!

69 built, but only 1 still exists.

D26
26th Jul 2023, 07:39
That would be the sole remaining TA 152 H-0/R11.

BEagle
26th Jul 2023, 19:10
CORRECT!! Well done!!

Fabulous aeroplane it was too - fortunately too late in the war to be a significant problem for the Allies.

D26, You have control!

D26
27th Jul 2023, 06:52
Thanks BEagle! Now this one:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/890x1653/img_2909a_c3dd85bf9dfa8a40a51a6ee7be386e069019cc11.jpg

asw28-866
29th Jul 2023, 00:40
Bit quiet in here: Morane-Saulnier M.S.406Perhaps?

Asw28

D26
29th Jul 2023, 08:19
Very close, but there is room for refinement.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1469x1794/img_2909b_5c57aeeb1db8e738b3b3d712ea80ed50a4b60584.jpg

D26
31st Jul 2023, 19:25
Any takers out there? Now the full picture.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1198x898/img_2909d_3e140b79d1a13ee58edd4d9f026309d45221c2eb.jpg

sycamore
31st Jul 2023, 19:54
Schlepp..?

D26
31st Jul 2023, 20:00
No. There is a gun sight! The type was the main stay during WW2 in a small country. The Schlepp was a different A/c but same engine.

CoodaShooda
1st Aug 2023, 01:41
MS -410?

Noyade
1st Aug 2023, 06:22
Swiss EKW D-3801? (M.S 412)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/aerofossile2012/3686786710

D26
2nd Aug 2023, 07:43
The EKW D-3801 it is!
The type was the mainstay of the Swiss Air Force in WW2 together with the Me109E. The D-3801 was licence built from the MS 406 and developed further mainly by installing a 1000 hp engine instead of the 860 HP one. Further development did not come forward as after the war, Switzerland bought 130 P-51D's surplus in Germany. Only a few years later the jet age started, as Switzerland went to buy De Havilland DH 100 Vampires. etc...

The pictures are from the sole airworthy D-3801 HB-RCF (J-143) operated in Switzerland. The owners went to great lengths to have the cockpit as original as possible. Beside a modern radio and transponder only the altimeter and the g-meter are modern, all other stuff is WW2. The picture Noyade has published, is from some years back.

In this case, Noyade has the lead!

Self loading bear
2nd Aug 2023, 20:16
D26,
It was perhaps better if you would have blotted out the registration number in the second photo.
Much people are tempted to google it.

Noyade
2nd Aug 2023, 21:20
Thanks D26 - but please give control to asw28-866 (https://www.pprune.org/members/75553-asw28-866)

D26
3rd Aug 2023, 07:35
You are right SLB, that's an easy way to go. I did blot out the call-sign on the two b/w pictures but didn't get reactions. I will think of that on my next post.
Thanks Noyade, very generous.

Then: control has asw28-866!

D26
5th Aug 2023, 08:17
May I suggest that we resume the usual business please?

asw28-866 has control!

asw28-866
11th Aug 2023, 11:05
Apologies all, I missed the fact control had returned to me. Thank you D26 for the prompt, a quick one I suspect...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/315x435/wc110823_83ec3e161f361c8c670a177f480bf3e9a0eb11fa.jpg

asw28-866
12th Aug 2023, 00:32
Another view, first image posted I suspect is accidentally reversed, I believe this to be correct canopy orientation...
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/166x129/wc110823d_4aaf8c4ce0706dd4116da1f4c6ec9031d7a14eea.jpg

Asturias56
12th Aug 2023, 07:26
Is it a Fournier?

asw28-866
12th Aug 2023, 07:37
Not a Rene Fournier design, though contemporary with some of his best known marks.

Asturias56
12th Aug 2023, 11:58
Is it European?

asw28-866
12th Aug 2023, 16:58
It is European

asw28-866
12th Aug 2023, 23:55
Subject type originated from a design competition for a competition design!

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/483x222/wc110823e_ea910c5be468f777a681f929452b1580e65ccab3.jpg

asw28-866
13th Aug 2023, 00:27
On closer inspection, it would appear that canopy hinging (left or right) varied between specific aircraft...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/382x472/wc110823f_17629369632cc3d0df0b5a525156af1d475130ae.jpg

Noyade
13th Aug 2023, 01:26
Possibly the Beta? Dunno which version.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x265/scan1419_9a65a8144ac7ce9285c3e8644255c2361660b0ca.jpg

asw28-866
13th Aug 2023, 06:13
Noyade has it with the Rollason Beta, as only four were factory built, and modified post manufacture, I think the difference between B.1, B.2 and B.2a is mute! My late father campaigned with a Beta Formula One air racing for a time in the mid-70's, resulting in many days staring at the sky on a pylon, watching for cut corners!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/840x473/wc110823c_d85a6560dcb08711eba91dce7cb24814babfd730.jpg
Noyade has control.

Noyade
13th Aug 2023, 07:52
Thanks asw28-866.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x400/desperate_7a0cbc74f88d893cd668771350d2793403107d45.png

Asturias56
13th Aug 2023, 08:16
interesting cockpit

American?

Noyade
13th Aug 2023, 08:26
Indeed it is.

Asturias56
13th Aug 2023, 09:01
looks like passenger windows below and behind cockpit - I have a feeling we've seen this before in another thread/challenge

POBJOY
13th Aug 2023, 20:19
Noyade has it with the Rollason Beta, as only four were factory built, and modified post manufacture, I think the difference between B.1, B.2 and B.2a is mute! My late father campaigned with a Beta Formula One air racing for a time in the mid-70's, resulting in many days staring at the sky on a pylon, watching for cut corners!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/840x473/wc110823c_d85a6560dcb08711eba91dce7cb24814babfd730.jpg
Noyade has control.
Indeed the Beta started out with a much smaller engine and Jodel type undercarriage,(but ended up with a sprung type as shown). They all ended up with a C90/0200 sans electrics, and with very basic instrumentation plus hand starting, and were a 200mph fun racing machine with wings designed to be detached for trailer transport. Tweaks were sometimes usually of a 'power nature' no fuel pump, balancing, metal props, remove air filter for race, plus tape gap sealing. A beautiful machine that was alas rather difficult to 'home build' due its curved ply skin, and minimal weight. On the plus side they flew as well as they looked and were wonderful for the 'breakfast patrols' of the time, as even if you were spotted they could never catch you just before you crossed the field at low level for a twinkle roll and free breakfast, imagine that today !!!

Noyade
13th Aug 2023, 23:38
looks like passenger windows below and behind cockpit - I have a feeling we've seen this before in another thread/challenge

First time I've posted this machine A56 - as far as I know. 'Advanced' Search...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/787x152/not_this_thread_a7892918975f859db74dcde61c925b1d2902d0bb.png

Photo is from the net.
Yes - passengers, seen congregated around the aircraft sipping pre-flight drinks. :)


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x213/drinks_3d4d109e688d0ea6357c3f117bfd6145267af440.png

Asturias56
14th Aug 2023, 09:44
Beer drinkers? In AMERICA between the wars - I thought there was Prohibition? :eek:

Asturias56
14th Aug 2023, 09:53
Some of the US Airmail aircraft had cockpits like that but I can't see any passenger space

Noyade
15th Aug 2023, 05:49
Probably celebrating the end of prohibition.
Wiki calls it an "Amphibious Airliner."

meleagertoo
15th Aug 2023, 11:43
It's a Loening C2 Air Yacht.
Not to be confused with a Phutney-Creech Land Yacht, though nearly aw wacky!


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/627x328/screenshot_2023_08_15_at_12_41_29_7cfc2dade2da794af73300f6cf 941c9ea323e638.png

Noyade
16th Aug 2023, 06:58
Mel has it. :ok:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x461/pre_flight_drinks_92b759d64d41d7a0d539e270394f9823cfdf39ca.j pg

meleagertoo
19th Aug 2023, 12:22
This one won't last long.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/478x353/screenshot_2023_08_19_at_13_20_51_0619a42c291a1e7f7e317a9ed9 ab60bab32ba0fd.png

OUAQUKGF Ops
19th Aug 2023, 16:25
This reminds me I must book an appointment with my optician.

Asturias56
19th Aug 2023, 20:50
appears to have 4 engines......................

sycamore
19th Aug 2023, 21:37
Did it go into `service,or is it a `test/experimental a/c...?

meleagertoo
20th Aug 2023, 11:39
It went into service allright, though this pic is a prototype.

sycamore
20th Aug 2023, 12:03
Was it a large hovercraft...?

thnarg
20th Aug 2023, 12:21
Concorde prototype?

meleagertoo
21st Aug 2023, 10:31
'nuff said!

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/571x346/screenshot_2023_08_21_at_11_29_21_3d545d5c53e43c51a865f50f1e 01faadbf139147.png

thnarg
21st Aug 2023, 11:17
Thanks mel. The fire panel and those 1960s-recording-studio dials were a clue.

A quickie with two possible answers…

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1032x1259/img_3973_d9cb4f8c90c7a6bd52232bdb7a3e27eb6aeaa1a1.jpeg

Noyade
24th Aug 2023, 07:11
The big-wheeled H.P. 42?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x485/scan1429_06773d29946926924aa4d139eaad9805d98fe3d2.jpg

thnarg
24th Aug 2023, 09:47
Forgot this was still running! Yes, HP42 or maybe a short haul HP45. There’s that lovely Shell film about ops at Croydon on the youtubes which suggests the “Handley Page Forty Two Seater” had some sort of APU for starting. It also shows how to service a Bristol Jupiter with mallets.

I would have loved to have flown those obsolescent beauties in my career. But of course there has to be a line in the sand…

All yours Noyade, no doubt with something far more obscure.

Noyade
25th Aug 2023, 01:03
Thanks thnarg. Unfortunately I only have an exterior shot.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/812x310/scan1281_1eb71313c241dcff5f0a16de1a2b7536ebc553d7.jpg

Asturias56
25th Aug 2023, 07:08
european?

thnarg
25th Aug 2023, 13:33
Junkers?

Noyade
25th Aug 2023, 22:05
Junkers?


:)



https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/329x471/scan1435_798c7859284efbb55c5ccb13ccd329238d300bba.jpg

Noyade
29th Aug 2023, 23:38
Must be time to end this one and make it Open House.

The Junkers K 16.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_K_16


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x546/scan1437_d82aa729d8c9f5734c725e0354d0752fab742c56.jpg

Asturias56
30th Aug 2023, 10:46
Not one I'd ever seen before ..................... looks very uncomfortable to fly

I see it has an "L" registration - was that a Czech aircraft (L-B***) in pre-1928 numbering???

here's an odd one for OH

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/706x306/2023_08_30_084746_23126c3ccff19c3522a6b08b383ff5da773f02eb.j pg

Asturias56
3rd Sep 2023, 08:03
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/345x608/2023_08_30_084831_992f49d2bec222edf58eb9ff14e0ae11da22d4ea.j pg

thnarg
3rd Sep 2023, 17:21
It is an odd one. No horizon so VFR only. The chaps’ clothes, briefcases and the plastic trim look early 1960s?
Does that decal say “Set Take-off Weight Opposite Operating Altitude”? Huh? American?

Asturias56
4th Sep 2023, 07:20
Yes American - but earlier than 1960

The pictures are all a bit Film Noir - they were trying to push it as a business machine. It sold in (relatively) small numbers

I can't make out the exact wording of the decal

D26
4th Sep 2023, 07:36
The airspeed indicator starts at 10 MPH/KTS, it must be a helicopter. Also dual rev indicators and a hydraulic press gauge. My guess is Cessna's only helicopter, the CH-1 Skyhook.

Asturias56
4th Sep 2023, 07:58
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x823/ch_1_interior_large_2_cessna_1024x823_cf61a1324e6db38441bad6 1d689f909645d1eaad.jpg

thnarg
4th Sep 2023, 08:17
Well done D26, just seen all about it on the youtubes. Basically a 150 with a wobbly wing and yet another aircraft you’d never get me up in.

Asturias56
4th Sep 2023, 12:25
Oddly the ONLY helicopter that Cessna ever built - they made about a 100 I think , most of which went to the military -. It broke several height records in its time

Looks a bit more luxurious than any Cessna 150 or 172 I ever flew in.

over to D26!!


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x806/ch_1_in_flight_rear_quarter_large_cessna_1024x806_59af98a65b 592b008cbe25163b2456ab2fe93ed5.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x583/ch_1_army_cessna_1024x583_44b8884754e3816ffb32ba0f87d3952393 7e55e4.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x838/ch_1_nose_cessna_1024x838_6b866518e4336370d771d7a3aa38f012c0 f6f62d.jpg

D26
5th Sep 2023, 11:12
I am sorry the delay.
Open House please!

Self loading bear
7th Sep 2023, 12:43
As it is Open House:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1453x1105/70ea4818_bc74_45c0_84cd_122ed962bf4b_bce5f55ac3a29ae4b9680ff 51567a00689073a3c.jpeg

Self loading bear
8th Sep 2023, 05:24
And the other half of the dashboard

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/480x360/2c41b5d3_ad30_48ec_ae72_764cba68e8d8_a25362026d351a8c208a099 77f628cc4ba16d3c2.jpeg

Asturias56
8th Sep 2023, 07:46
American?

Self loading bear
8th Sep 2023, 11:05
No (geographical) Europe.

sycamore
8th Sep 2023, 12:48
Hicopleter....?

Self loading bear
8th Sep 2023, 12:59
Hicopleter....?
You are not suffering from daily sex?
Sorry, dyslexia?

But no, not a helicopter.

sycamore
8th Sep 2023, 14:38
SLB,sorry I had `dyslexia`,but that was 55 yrs ago....I think...thank you for reminding me...

Asturias56
8th Sep 2023, 15:25
looks almost like a retrofit - that the original panel was much too small for modern instruments

Self loading bear
8th Sep 2023, 15:36
The first prototype had indeed somewhat smaller analog instruments.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/492x129/98d9d78c_b140_45a0_a44e_5f9c08820e9d_1906c17f724a06b154286c9 f17aec5321cb649e3.jpeg

meleagertoo
8th Sep 2023, 19:17
Where are the engine instruments? Or engine controls?

It is civil though, isn't it?

Self loading bear
8th Sep 2023, 20:40
It is civil.
Engine control on the Centre console
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1055x643/4e078a87_04d4_4f18_96f4_c0e2ea2d06f3_64ea1039589c4a8e280ef8b 699e28b7853fc5963.jpeg

Asturias56
9th Sep 2023, 07:13
How many seats?

Self loading bear
9th Sep 2023, 07:18
How many seats?

4 seats……

Asturias56
9th Sep 2023, 09:42
First Flight post 1990?

Self loading bear
9th Sep 2023, 10:12
Of the second prototype: Yes

meleagertoo
9th Sep 2023, 13:41
Pusher?
Where are the engine instruments? There's a small group left of the P2's instrument group, but nowhere near enough for what looks like two throttles.
But where are the prop and mixture/condition levers?

sycamore
9th Sep 2023, 16:54
Is it still flying in service...?

Asturias56
9th Sep 2023, 16:59
How long was the gap between the first flight of the first prototype and the second (upgraded) prototype?

OUAQUKGF Ops
9th Sep 2023, 17:42
Perhaps it's a Powered Balloon Thingy ?

Self loading bear
9th Sep 2023, 17:49
How long was the gap between the first flight of the first prototype and the second (upgraded) prototype?

More than a decade.

It is no longer flying and not a balloon thinghy
won’t hold much longer:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x926/645032c4_1184_440e_8937_eb7b644c9691_b8c2d66740140ca5681d9e1 1437d5c716f2ac865.jpeg

thnarg
9th Sep 2023, 21:58
Was it designed where that photo was taken or just visiting?

Self loading bear
10th Sep 2023, 05:32
Was it designed where that photo was taken or just visiting?

Now we are getting somewhere. Just the something left.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/725x500/acc3134e_d189_4956_8bee_c6cdfa5cd949_50f559e786840b1b552d9b8 6116f4c82d62b9d58.jpeg

thnarg
10th Sep 2023, 07:17
So it comes from the field where the crans are grown!

Asturias56
10th Sep 2023, 07:18
Its something horrible for sure - A grinvalds Orion fits the timeframe but doesn't look right

thnarg
10th Sep 2023, 07:42
I found it, but will let somebody else have fun first. Both prototypes are in museums now. Looks fun to fly but probably lethal so a good thing it never went to production!

Asturias56
10th Sep 2023, 09:30
put us out of our misery...........................

Self loading bear
10th Sep 2023, 11:51
So it comes from the field where the crans are grown!

Actually I could not find a direct relationship to Cranfield. But much of the photos and a YouTube were taken from there. Bournemouth does have more relevance.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x926/355bdcf1_4bc4_4fff_a18d_dd8229aacc57_21c714228930f0a7b31a831 9eac65111727d5876.jpeg

thnarg
10th Sep 2023, 12:21
put us out of our misery...........................

Don’t be miserable! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMC_Leopard
Open house please

dixi188
10th Sep 2023, 12:27
Chester-Miles Leopard. The Bournemouth Museum connection did it. Others did all the work.

Self loading bear
10th Sep 2023, 12:27
Don’t be miserable! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMC_Leopard
Open house please

That is the one!

Open house declared.

dixi188
10th Sep 2023, 12:44
This won't last long.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/776x524/cockpit_1e51151df01e4be13e7951f8b3bf195361faaa25.jpg

Dora-9
11th Sep 2023, 07:09
L188 Electra?

dixi188
11th Sep 2023, 12:54
L188 Electra N347HA.
Capt. Ken Halls, Capt. Bill Slocombe and yours truly in the middle. 1990.
Only picture I could find at short notice.

pax britanica
11th Sep 2023, 19:31
Quite spacious and airy/bright cockpit , maybe a Lockheed thing ??

Dora-9
11th Sep 2023, 19:51
Quite spacious and airy/bright cockpit

My former airline had four of them - the crews all loved their Electras.

I don't have any photos so Open House.

India Four Two
12th Sep 2023, 00:30
Chester-Miles Leopard

​​​​​​​Looks fun to fly but probably lethal so a good thing it never went to production!

Four seats, bigger than a JP but 30% of the wing area and only 1400 lbs thrust. I'm surprised it could get airborne!

Noyade
14th Sep 2023, 07:00
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/729x376/scan1443_fa490b92fa2207b19c15f886aa757fb873abe865.jpg

Asturias56
14th Sep 2023, 07:33
that looks terribly familiar....................... I'm off to page back through "What Aircraft?

Noyade
16th Sep 2023, 10:33
Reasonably well known. Wiki gives it a gross weight of 20,000 lb.

Noyade
17th Sep 2023, 07:50
Only 15 built.

Asturias56
17th Sep 2023, 15:38
French?

Noyade
18th Sep 2023, 08:15
Not French.
The pilot is Chris Staniland...

Asturias56
18th Sep 2023, 11:47
Fairey's famous test pilot!!!

Not sure its one of their aircraft tho

meleagertoo
18th Sep 2023, 11:53
Fairey Hendon.

Noyade
18th Sep 2023, 21:56
The Hendon it is. Most likely K1695.
Mel takes the helm.

meleagertoo
20th Sep 2023, 12:46
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/932x718/screenshot_2023_09_20_at_13_39_50_ccef47da334d5c8efd47ec09fb 2f79bd4dbb54c2.png

Asturias56
20th Sep 2023, 15:38
ASI up to 650 kt/mph - and gauge centre left bottom has two temperature(?) gauges, also four large FIRE buttons in left & right groups.

I'd guess an early jet,with twin engines?

Guide in English but that may be a red herring................................. tho the large FIRE buttons indicates English-speaking is probably correct

why would you want an accelerometer? Looks like it was scabbed on later right in the pilot's view so obviously critical at some point - maybe a LOW powered jet aircraft?

Asturias56
20th Sep 2023, 15:48
not much in the way of avionics or radar that I can see - might be a research aircraft or a light transport?

SLXOwft
20th Sep 2023, 21:12
I think an early USN jet - the silhouette on the blanked out HI/DI would be a dead giveaway if I'm right. 2 x tachometers/rev counters suggests a twin.

bafanguy
20th Sep 2023, 22:25
So in the bottom left corner of the pic, there's something identified as a "cabin pressure [altitude ?] indicator" ? So it had a pressurization system ?

Asturias56
21st Sep 2023, 06:42
Softening luxury for those American fly-boys! Why USN SLXOwft?

They did have quite a few early jets - and a twin would make sense off carriers I guess..............................

BEagle
21st Sep 2023, 08:32
Indeed a 'gutless' US Navy jet. Weird looking thing....

curt2401
21st Sep 2023, 08:37
Is it French?

Asturias56
21st Sep 2023, 08:55
can't see any weapons selection - so either its weaponless or the switches are on the side wall or stick - need another image?

BSD
21st Sep 2023, 09:18
Hang about:

I'll bet it rhymes with "gutless" and came from a company who made aeroplanes with cranked-wings....

I haven't got a cockpit post to hand (should my guess be on the money) so I'll leave it to someone who has.

meleagertoo
21st Sep 2023, 10:34
How close Asturias was in his first post with "low powered - early twin - pilot's view critical"
It's clear that Beags got there first though.
So, who's going to name it then?

SLXOwft
21st Sep 2023, 10:50
Softening luxury for those American fly-boys! Why USN SLXOwft?

They did have quite a few early jets - and a twin would make sense off carriers I guess..............................

The simplicity suggested a timeframe, its clearly a single seated or tandem - its a twin and not a UK one. The USAF ones I could think of were single engined so that led to the USN - so I trawled through pictures of various USN cockpits.

I think it's a Vought F7U Cutlass - if I'm right can I declare open house as all my relevant offline resources are boxed up due to redecoration in progress.

meleagertoo
21st Sep 2023, 11:07
Here are the missing controls and panels.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/641x636/screenshot_2023_09_21_at_12_05_02_8f52466833e1142639e5c7e6a8 75fac0e8ca7874.png

BEagle
21st Sep 2023, 13:14
As it's OH following correct identification of the Vought Cutlass, here's another challenge:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/525x346/thing_4b9f9fde01f89516b89edce5a33021e89ac3cf3c.jpg

Asturias56
21st Sep 2023, 13:45
The simplicity suggested a timeframe, its clearly a single seated or tandem - its a twin and not a UK one. The USAF ones I could think of were single engined so that led to the USN - so I trawled through pictures of various USN cockpits.

I think it's a Vought F7U Cutlass - if I'm right can I declare open house as all my relevant offline resources are boxed up due to redecoration in progress.

thanks for explaining the logic - it really helps for next time - and I think you're right...................... the earlier Cutlasses were notoriously under powered.

My logic took me so far but then down a rabbit hole - I couldn't see anything especially "military" about it

Asturias56
21st Sep 2023, 13:47
"How close Asturias was in his first post with "low powered - early twin - pilot's view critical""

Closer than I knew!! :ouch: but top rate jet fighter (!!!) wasn't on my mental horizon................. I was intrigued by that obviously after -the-fact addition of the accelerometer.. didn't look good.................

meleagertoo
21st Sep 2023, 13:53
On a point of order: as the original poster of this challenge I can now declare that SLXOwft is correct and it is indeed the awful Gutless Cutlass.

As he has indicated he is unable to post a challenge it's Open House...

Asturias56
21st Sep 2023, 13:55
As to the new challenge -

Let us cast the runes.......


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/497x406/mystic_meg_872d762fbb260fec8fd31bd4e7b5dce221db711f.jpg


that's a BUCKET load of avionics - looks like it's side by side seating - late 50's to mid 70's.

Something like the A6 Intruder

Noyade
21st Sep 2023, 14:14
Douglas F3D Skynight.

BEagle
22nd Sep 2023, 07:21
Noyade has it! Yes, it was indeed the Douglas Skyknight:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x360/douglas_f3d_skyknight_58969a23e722cdf31b7aab5687b1b621ae55a7 9c.jpg

You have control, Noyade!

Noyade
22nd Sep 2023, 23:29
Cheers BEagle!


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x516/20230923_092027_cd6e2ed0dcba7708bc1a2b76d6d97ffbf9b4d58e.jpg

meleagertoo
23rd Sep 2023, 12:04
Supercharged single piston, no blind flying instruments - possibly a racing machine?

Wooden fuselage

The high range of the RPM gauge suggests an inline engine rather than a radial, as does the non-rounded fuselage shape.

Thus almost certainly USA

Early/mid 1930s?

Asturias56
23rd Sep 2023, 17:00
gauges look a bit swish for the 30's maybe 50's?

I like the quality electrical connection just under the panel.

dixi188
23rd Sep 2023, 19:05
Those look like AMP knife edge connectors to me.