What Cockpit?

[JENKINS]

Dinghies and yachts in UK! Ho-ho.

[dook]

Civil or military ?

Is it in AF ?

A Shorts design maybe.

[SincoTC]

Quite long-lived, a Centaur? Central Aircraft Company, an inspiring name.

That's the one, in fact a Central Centaur IV B, as you say they were quite long lived as some were sold to Belgium and the last one survived until 1938!

My illustration was from the Fright Archive when they visited the Aero Show at Olympia in early 1920! The sketch depicts the fifth aircraft which was fitted with a three-float undercarriage. It was used for a week giving joyrides at Southend-on-Sea. It was converted into a landplane later in 1920 and crashed in October 1920.

JENKINS has Ccontrol :ok:

[JENKINS]

Yes, at one time I did stutter, and even now I am aware that hesitation lies beneath some of my conversation. 'Sir Francis Chichester' proved difficult many years ago, and the chum who ribs me, ever so gently, is once again feeling the failures of Scottish rugby.

But back to the present. The number 8 gave away the Centaur. I fear I have nowt, am away from machine for long time, and must declare Open House.

[dook]

Not a good day for me so far. :{

[dook]

Far too quiet.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x352/sun_0f12e98dcb283f2598f89263003b0120ceed8feb.jpg

[SincoTC]

British?

Landplane or seaplane/flying-boat?

[dook]

'artnoon TC.

Landplane not British.

[Self loading bear]

There are much better color photos available on the net.

[dook]

There usually are.

[SincoTC]

There are much better color photos available on the net.

I get the impression that you know this one already?

[dook]

Don't be so sure.

[SincoTC]

'artnoon TC.

Landplane not British.

Hmm, maybe you're right about the bear!

I'm in and out of the kitchen right now, so to get the grey cells in action again, is it American? wossa donk fitted?

[dook]

Yes - American.

Jacobs R-755.

[SincoTC]

Thanks dook,

Finished in kitchen, now have snout in the trough so will dig deeper soon!

Is it a Waco cabin biplane?

[dook]

No need to dig further.

Waco YTC Standard Biplane.

Off ye go.

[SincoTC]

No need to dig further.

Waco YTC Standard Biplane.

Off ye go.

Couldn't resist looking while munching and just found the hinted at colour picture that looks very like yours before desaturising :)

1934 Waco YKC Standard Cabin Biplane Cockpit (http://aviationclub.aero/photo/full_view/4052/)

New one shortly :ok:

[dook]

That's the image I used.

PM for you.

[SincoTC]

New one, not much instrument detail, but it is a cockpit, albeit not very comfy and probably a bit noisy, but great if you wan't to keep an eye on the donk :eek:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/818x837/wc_tc013_c6728f1db0e656a225c069f0f72bd7294e780b8c.jpg

[dook]

…...:mad:.....

Suspect high wing monoplane.

Were there passengers behind the pilot ?

[SincoTC]

Suspicions confirmed correct!

Yes, up to five passengers in more comfort than their bold pilot!

[dook]

Just a thought.

Looking closely was the engine beside the pilot ?

[SincoTC]

Just a thought.

Looking closely was the engine beside the pilot ?

Indeed it was, lucky fellow!! Hot, noisy and probably smelly on one side and a freezing draught on the other side! Still, it's a living :rolleyes:

[dook]

The search narrows.....

[dook]

Ah so Glasshopper.

Fokker F3. :)

[SincoTC]

Ah so Glasshopper.

Fokker F3. :)

That's the one mate, The Fokker F.III, this is one re-engined by KLM with an Armstrong Siddeley Puma in the LH side of the cockpit, the original war surplus BMW IIIa engine required the pilot to sit on the other side :8

Control is yours :ok:, or is it time to level out?

[dook]

Time to level off.
For the insomniacs/late shift.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/716x403/look_mum_f39eb1f58f9fd5e20aeca6dd2de111742b572f9a.jpg

[Octane]

They used steering wheels from a London bus by the looks:}

[Self loading bear]

Vertical speed meter beside the altitude meter.
motorglider?

[dook]

Good day Bear.

It's an aeroplane.

[India Four Two]

American?
Homebuit?
Research aircraft?

[dook]

Not American.

Homebuilt - plans for sale.

Not experimental.

[Self loading bear]

Nee Zealand origin?

[dook]

No - European mainland.

[sycamore]

fr-fr-fr -French...???
you mean there are plans..? creases in wrong places...?

[dook]

Dunno how the plans are despatched.

A little north of France.

[dook]

Would anyone like a section of the plans ?

[Self loading bear]

Send by normal postage so some creases possible!
I will avoid to fight on two battlefields.
I thrust Sycamore will handle this one!

[dook]

Part of the plans showing a general arrangement drawing.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/469x263/plans_d361bb3ed547687540e0711b6bc2deb55b484532.jpg

[SFCC]

Verhees Delta

OH if correct

[dook]

SFCC hits it with the Verhees Delta from Belgium.

Welcome SFCC.

OH has been called.

[BSD]

Try this, as it is OH,


blob:https://www.pprune.org/ba726f0d-7897-40cb-a9fe-7bc5fbe2399f

[BSD]

Oh dear,

looks like this is too difficult for me!

Belay my last whilst I go back to the drawing board!

BSD.

[India Four Two]

BSD,

Click on the Image icon in the Quick Reply section and follow the instructions.

[dook]

So what now ?

[BSD]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/90532386_c55f_4e4d_99cf_d25f83a5321f_20faaf24ea4920edab06ffa 50a4abd24c248d2f5.jpeg
How’s this?

[dook]

Ah....you've cracked it. :ok:

Looks like a pretty complex fuel system. Homebuilt ?

[BSD]

Delighted to have contributed at last!

it isn’t a homebuilt. Many were built but few remain.....

[dook]

Good to have you on board.

British 1920's ?

[dook]

Bristol Fighter ?

[BSD]

Dook,

Darn, you’re good at this. It is indeed.

You have control!

BSD.

[dook]

Cheers.

I've had a lot of practice.

Going forward in time:


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/450x428/tuesday_8ab276a88b34e2ef76fba5e8b28af612265c50a0.jpg

[sycamore]

Think it`s the Hunting 126 research aircraft......

[dook]

Evening sycamore.

Unfortunately it's not British.

[Self loading bear]

Is it a Link trainer?
Probably a modified one as I cannot locate this specific layout.

[India Four Two]

Looks like too many instruments for a Link trainer.

It looks American, possibly a jet.

[dook]

Good morning all.

It's not a link trainer nor American.

It is, however, a jet.

[sycamore]

Is it a research aircraft...?
VTOL...German..?

[dook]

Not really a research aircraft, but was intended to be a fast bomber. The prototype only flew once before the end WW2.

Not VTOL.

Not German but it's worth pursuing that further......

[JENKINS]

'Further' being a long way to Japan, the Nakajima Kikka perhaps?

[sycamore]

AHH,So ,Glasshopper.....Nakajima J9N Kikka.....Glosser Meteor looksalike....Arigato gasimos....OH ...IF collect....

AHHH,muss commit halla-killi, Jenkins-san..!!!

[dook]

Oh dear sycamore.

JENKINS got there just four minutes before you with the Nakajima Kikka.

J has the thread.

[JENKINS]

Thanks to Dook and to Sycamore. Not one in the pages of a Sycamore logbook? I fear I am really hopeless with cockpits, I do have another device available which I will inspect, so for now Open House I fear.

Me262, what a looker. Did the Israelis really fly the Czech derivative?

[dook]

No. They expressed interest in it but the deal to buy it was never finalised.

[dook]

OK sycamore - hit it !

[sycamore]

Try this then....
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/736x552/607ce4c6f0b03555e4d5a796555161a5_ad_33476f8a97ed4288c7d57bf6 053ba8353c83c193.jpg

[dook]

Big donk taildragger with collimating gunsight and one-piece front canopy.

Suspect restored WW2 fighter with big radial, probably American.

edit: cockpit looks fairly close to the engine and canopy possibly bubble type.

Not so easy as it looks.

Ryan Fireball ?

[sycamore]

Not a Fireball; post war; the original MRCA...

[dook]

Ah MRCA - Must Refurbish Canberra Again.

Not many post-war radial-engine machines of that type. Looking at American.

[dook]

Ah - prolly Skyraider.

[sycamore]

Some 35 variants,from trainer to tanker,single to 4 seater,could even carry the `sunshine bucket`,and even lift it`s own weight in `goodies..
The `Flying Dumptruck`.... almost as heavy as a DC-3...
ok,check tailwheel LOCKED,Throttle 58""check torque, salute the `shooter`,head back...away you go,gearup.......

[dook]

You omitted "select reheat".


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/470x457/_2__8b442eca807f852d0f03c2078ed2e5f47f84412e.jpg

[sycamore]

Off a `cat` shot ,the `reheat` would be felt in your trousers.....
Could be a Fournier ,with a `pea in a tube VSI`.... OH if......off to TV....

[dook]

I work from a laptop whilst sitting facing the TV.

The challenge is not French.

[India Four Two]

The shape of the nose is very reminiscent of an SGS 1-26.

[dook]

This lightweight is powered.

[dook]

The aeroplane is amateur designed.

It may be purchased as plans only, in kit form, or ready to fly.

Single seat, single engine, hinged canopy. Tailwheel or tricycle.

[SincoTC]

The aeroplane is amateur designed.

It may be purchased as plans only, in kit form, or ready to fly.

Single seat, single engine, hinged canopy. Tailwheel or tricycle.

That all fits the Czech Spacek SD1 Minisport

[dook]

Duz dunnit !

What do you have for us next...….

[SincoTC]

Thanks dook! Try this one

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/781x833/wc_tc014_fd6de67bf28aeffbe34a860f499aae4844f68d04.jpg

[dook]

One instrument is labelled "variometer" which is Eurospeak for what we and the Americans refer to as a VSI.

Variometers in this country are usually reserved for sailplanes but this has an rpm gauge.

I thus think this is European, but might be wrong.

Might it be a motor glider ?

[SincoTC]

Correct, it is European.

[dook]

And a motor glider I hope.....

[SincoTC]

And a motor glider I hope.....

I didn't see that in the post when I answered it, I guess your edit must have crossed! However, sorry it isn't a motor glider :)

[dook]

That sketch is not in any Jean-Luc Beghin portfolio worse luck.

French open cockpit perchance ?

[SincoTC]

It is French and has an open cockpit.

[dook]

Now the difficult part...……….

[SincoTC]

Now the difficult part...……….

Please note that my challenge had an open cockpit, but over the years and many airframes constructed based on this, quite a few had closed cockpits!

Any more clues required?

[dook]

Presume civil.

Circa 1950 ?

[SincoTC]

Presume civil.

Circa 1950 ?

Civil yes and Homebuilt

Considerably earlier

[dook]

Might well be WW1 then.

[SincoTC]

Not that old, 1930's and still being built !!

[dook]

Still working on it.

Maybe a Morane Saulnier.

[SincoTC]

Not from M-S, don't forget it was a Homebuilt :ok:

[dook]

Oh - was it.

[SincoTC]

Oh - was it.

Yep, see #840 above

[dook]

Sorry I missed that.

Is it the Flying Flea ?

[SincoTC]

Sorry I missed that.

Is it the Flying Flea ?

Nice timing as I have to attend to the Dog 'n Parrot now! :)

Yes it is Henri Mignet's Pou-du-Ciel of 1933

Well done! You have control :ok:

[dook]

Does anyone else have something ?

[dook]

No response to the invitation so:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/474x480/copy_2_00094c72e817e24971f30762074475a1a5eaa6d5.jpg

[Self loading bear]

That is a glider

[Self loading bear]

I found this:
same shape but different layout:
Slingsby Kirby Kite?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x533/edf1a4fd_a44c_4a39_a1a9_15bdcf2e85c7_f5567a277b3bb3ddf43b8a4 e3eff60c0b3b444a8.jpeg
edit forget this one I see differences in diagonal bracings

[dook]

A clue for Bear ?

[Self loading bear]

No let me stumble around I already walked into 2 or 3 good challenges

[dook]

OK then...….

[Self loading bear]

The variometer Vsi is interesting. Did you blind something out there?

[dook]

I have not altered anything.
German.

[dook]

Early 1930s and it shows.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x400/close_7613d8455d25c72654f8f099692e1829e479a689.jpg

[dook]

This design goes back a bit further.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x389/6825_212a588efe554f35f18ae7bde714218b03c54449.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Thanks
found same style vsi on a FW -190
with strange schapen black counter weight
so was already looking in that era in Germany.

[Self loading bear]

Schleicher Rhonadler

[dook]

Schleicher (DFS) correct.

"Rhon" correct. Change the "adler".

My previous bird of prey name will give you what you need.

[Self loading bear]

Rhönbussard

[dook]

Bear the Buzzard.

The Schleicher (DFS) Rhonbussard.

Over to our Dutchman.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks,

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/742x491/582d0220_20ee_4f98_b690_0e027827067a_46649daf1d0ac547d886495 959a300a4556cc7ce.jpeg

[dook]

I can't see a prop so it's either a very unusual glider or a pusher prop.

Home-build or kit ?

[Self loading bear]

I can think of other options as well.
Not home built nor kit

[dook]

Yes, I've just thought it might be a twin or an amphibian.

[Self loading bear]

Or a mix of some of the above

[dook]

Do you mean:

glider/pusher prop ?

twin/amphibian ?

[Self loading bear]

Quite by coincidence i found out both other options also exist.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/979x385/52aa48c1_0ff7_4149_96b0_6f630f216562_d5939ec63cb93911348f34c ff7a58ef621c80b5c.jpeg

[dook]

So I'm looking for twin-pusher, motor glider, twin-engine option and amphibian.

I don't think anything like that can exist.

I'll throw out the twin-engine idea because there's only one indicated in the cockpit.

edit: and amphibian because I can't see any gear operating handle.

[Self loading bear]

It has indeed a fixed landing gear

[dook]

I thought it must be strange so I've found a new keyword "unorthodox".

One has come up which fits - just checking further.

[dook]

I have searched under unorthodox motor gliders and can only find two which have side-by-side seating.

One is the eGenius, which is electrically powered so it isn't that.

The other is called a Brditschka, which I've never heard of.

[Self loading bear]

Do go on you are on the right track

[dash7fan]

Brditschka HB 23 ?

[Self loading bear]

The HB-23 is correct
some 50 built in 3 versions
Dash in control

[dook]

Story of my life.

Get the country and manufacturer then lose it to someone else. :{

[dash7fan]

https://i.imgur.com/QYtrGfll.jpg

sorry dook, but I flew this wonderful plane

should be easy:

https://i.imgur.com/rnoHVkul.jpg

[dook]

Should be easy yes.

Convair Coronado 990.

[BSD]

CV-880 perhaps? Not confident though.

[dash7fan]

dook, yes CV 990 from -swissair, your control

[dook]

Thank you d7f.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/464x500/sat_720e37f61b1d36f2b05b2b13a8e62abe6e5a9635.jpg

[BSD]

Could it be a Transavia Airtruk?

[dook]

Sorry but no.

It precedes the Airtruk.

[India Four Two]

Single-engine, American, agplane?

[dook]

Single-engine and American.

Not agricultural - a liaison aircraft 1947.

[BSD]

It’s a Boeing YL-15 Scout.

A STOL liaison device. I’d no idea that Boeing had built anything like this.

[dook]

BSD scores a direct hit with the YL-15 Scout.

Nicely done.

Please take the stage.

[BSD]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/62d2b36b_e69a_4566_aab5_e10ca134db35_1f8f882c6df6606d5cb5631 de7537eedf710bcb7.jpeg
A nice simple one for a Sunday morning.

[dook]

It looks like a twin to me.

[Self loading bear]

Dook what is taking you so long?

Dornier logo, twin
Hinged cockpit window/door

I think Dornier DO 28A1 Skyservant

[Self loading bear]

It’s a Boeing YL-15 Scout.

A STOL liaison device. I’d no idea that Boeing had built anything like this.

to come back on the Boeing:
What a nice little airplane!
Nothing too much added.
Boeing Scout

[BSD]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/62d2b36b_e69a_4566_aab5_e10ca134db35_1f8f882c6df6606d5cb5631 de7537eedf710bcb7.jpeg
A nice simple one for a Sunday morning.

[dook]

Why the repeat - are you trying to tell us something ?

[BSD]

Do-28 is correct!

Repeated because I pressed “submit reply” a second time - by mistake!

if I’m trying to tell you anything it is simply this: I’m not very good using my I-phone !

[Self loading bear]

Thanks BSD!
no worries I still mess up my postings!
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x941/ca6dec10_9b10_4b17_8eca_5d3859c2dc5f_d38c2db80e3ceca6f30aab9 ed64ce17a34007f34.jpeg

[dook]

Grumman Gulfstream.

[Self loading bear]

Although basically correct I am looking for a special type:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/732x1110/bf4ef22e_1d7c_47d1_901f_0240ddb31ef9_ab793523eeffb8c30200440 1ebe87151cf4a1902.jpeg

[dook]

If you insist - it's the NASA Shuttle trainer.

[Self loading bear]

Dook is in control
NASA Shuttle Training Aircraft
Grumman Gulfstream II
rightside standard except for the HUD.
left side standard Space Shuttle arrangement.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x521/9547f5b8_448c_4e87_ac04_cc7181b71584_daf229edea2c7be77a3eb3e 1c18222504235f486.jpeg

[dook]

I already had it lined up.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/346x500/sunday_41d50bf4ca1f3f876c1f6a7c2290f88d43a8b7f4.jpg

[India Four Two]

German aircraft?

[dook]

It's American.

[Self loading bear]

Dook’s law applies
Probably picked during the other Ryan challenge?
Ryan X-13 Vertijet

[dook]

Bear strikes again with the Ryan X-13.

Your lift off Bear.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks
another unorthodox:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/967x588/5b4db652_37d1_4b6b_8284_d035de1bd482_9b2e2e0910f15d3c81c9f5a 9f23fe6e2ebe7f93e.jpeg

[dook]

Tandem 2-seater ?

[Self loading bear]

For the pilots, yes

[dook]

Is that "pilots" ?

[Self loading bear]

2 pilots (in tandem)
I do not know the exact roles of the two but there are definitely 2 sets of controls.
My best guess is that the aft one is the left hand seat.
edit correction: co-pilot in the rear position.

[dook]

Is it a flying boat ?

[Self loading bear]

No it isn’t
I can give you it is American.

[fl610]

Convair XB-46?

[dook]

You said "for the pilots".

I have therefore assumed there are also passengers.

[Self loading bear]

Correct
passengers in the Belgian coach
(Although That might only mean something to other Dutchmen)

[Self loading bear]

I apologize for the rather poor screenshots but there are simply no cockpit photos on the internet

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1035x597/d3fc8641_18e0_4636_a5c0_3d9d05874574_027003d574420fd7618ce14 a145ea607bbd3003d.jpeg

[India Four Two]

The instrument at the top right is used for underwing stores. Is this a strike aircraft?

[chevvron]

B 47 Stratojet?

[Self loading bear]

I think you are concentrating on the wrong detail.
You are looking at the whole dashboard.

[India Four Two]

I thought I knew a lot about military gliders, but I've just discovered the XLRA-1 and the XLRQ-1 amphibious gliders! One of those two?

[sycamore]

German DFS A-2/B-1...?

[Self loading bear]

It is not amphibious but this Glider never came beyond the X designation.
1&1/2 build.

[sycamore]

GAT-XCG-16A......?

OH if correct....

[Self loading bear]

XCG-16A it is.
1 built (and a half size scale model)
In the Netherlands a Belgian Coach is 12m wide and 3m long because all Belgians want to sit in the front...
42 troops loaded in the sides
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/480x360/85200396702f9fd0701fb965ed505d1b_d33c7397bda506096ccc36367dd 27ea6a10d6c94.jpg
OH called

[dook]

Good afternoon/morning.


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[BSD]

Partenavia P68 ? The one with the glass nose?

[dook]

Indeed - it's called the Observer.

New balls please.

[BSD]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/cb6ffd35_45e0_443f_90b9_a999bc62322e_35a53cb154e34da1746e720 eb074ee1a2e5f4fd3.jpeg
Yay! (Re the Observer) but as far as the new balls are concerned try this. Not the best photo, but all I could manage.

[dook]

Aeronca C3 maybe.

[BSD]

The Aeronca is correct! The “bathtub”

All over to you.

[India Four Two]

Budd Davisson’s review of the C3 is a must read:

Aeronca C-3 Pilot Report (http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepC3.html)

His other reviews are very good too. I must re-read them when I have a spare week!

[dook]

I found it by making it brighter and looking at the name on the fuel selector at the top.

Nuvver one then:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x398/copy_d76b5cc6c0e1d321c4f410b620f845de38168a63.jpg

[BSD]

Re the Aeronca: I didn’t see the Aeronca symbol under the fuel selector until I had posted the photo.

if gone to huge lengths to manoeuvre the camera so that the column obscured the placard with the reg on it!

Will read its review.

Next pic: haven’t a clue!

[dook]

Here is the fuel selector from the Aeronca.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/648x536/copy_2__72f634f70638fe08cef910540d7d6ecae548e042.jpg

[sycamore]

An exotic homebuilt twin jet...?

[dook]

Twin jet yes.

Long way from a homebuilt though.

Designed for the military and the aim is to sell at below.$US20M per copy.

[Self loading bear]

Nice to also see more contemporary cockpits.

[India Four Two]

I didn't know there were so many modern military twin-jets. I still haven't found it!

[SincoTC]

Hi Guys,

Not wishing to spoil the hunt with an Open House as I've been tied up with the medics for a few days and so unavailable, off again today but I have found dooks challenge by putting "military twin-jet to sell at below $20M per copy" into Google, it returns 73,000 hits but right at the top of the first page is a BBC article worth looking at :cool:

If the BBC is not accessible in some places, then further down the first page is an article by NextBigFuture

Happy hunting and try not to get bitten!! 👍

[SincoTC]

OK, back from the Quack!!

Seeing as this one's still hanging, I'd better toss my hat in the ring and see if I was barking up the wrong tree :hmm:

I reckon it's the Textron Scorpion ?

[dook]

You be right me 'ansome - Textron Scorpion.

Off ye go.

[SincoTC]

Thanks dook! Good old Mr G and searchable clues!!

Try this one, not that old and should be easy :)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/990x663/wc_tc015_caeda852aa0adb465665e2e324b00c7c67fc34b7.jpg

[dook]

Fully integrated glass cockpit so not that old.

Clearly by the throttles a twin-jet.

Business jobber ?

Possibly the Williams V-Jet.

[SincoTC]

Yes a twin-jet

Born lived and died in the noughties, but later resuscitated and re-launched with a new designation!

Pioneer of a new class of business jets.

Not the Williams machine, but there was a connection

[dook]

Like you said - good old Mr.G.

Just looked up the Williams and:

"Williams had not intended to produce the aircraft, but it attracted a lot of attention, and Eclipse Aviation was founded in 1998 to further develop and produce the aircraft. The airframe was significantly redesigned as an all-metal structure sporting a T-tail and the name Eclipse 500".

[SincoTC]

Yes, it is indeed the Eclipse 500, well found!

You have control :ok:

[dook]

Cheers.

So how about a different cockpit view....


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/572x450/afternoon_6926f56d4d71dbc5b7d536e528a5ea4294f66a3e.png

[sycamore]

Sipa Minijet..../?

[dook]

You're quicker than the Sundance Kid !! :uhoh:

Sipa it is.

Your deal.

[sycamore]

Give an arm or a leg for a trip in this.........after the trip
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1152x876/1672263t_c_4352b0a4bf151570dd5f55151e2d045e48395fcf.jpg

[dook]

Interesting that the bang seat handle cover says REAR.

I can also see that the image is on Airliners.net.

So is this an expired two-seater with the rear bang seat cover saying FRONT ?

[dook]

Well, I've searched appropriately in Airliners - straightforward.

I think the pilots' name is Major Error.

I'll be quiet now.

[Self loading bear]

It's classified. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

It’s time to buzz the tower.

I would probably have to loose a leg and an arm before I would be able to fit in.

[dook]

The cockpit of my first operational aeroplane was half the size of this one.

[sycamore]

There may be a little guy in front,or it could be to get rid of the GIB...; and maybe vice-versa
SLB, is your leg `loose`,or are your `speed-jeans` not tight enough...?
dook,you may have been only half the man you are now........you didn`t have enough fuel to fool around,or even turn around,with those bloody great bonedomes...Now ,don`t spill your coffee down yer shirt...need a definitive name and number... you know the drill,full cold ,head back,watch the shooter.........cold shot ,eject....

[dook]

….then hit him with a Phoenix !!

[oncemorealoft]

After all the not so subtle Top Gun references is it an F14 Tomcat?

[sycamore]

o-m-a,,sweep yr wings fwd matey,follow the handler,hook on,brakes -off,take-out your false teeth,headrest,hands-off,salute,shooter..whoosh ..., Tomcat AIRBORNE...all yours....

Point of interest; did `we` ever put covers over the handles....? never saw it meself...

[dook]

No, the RAF didn't.

oncemorealoft,

All you had to do was enter the name of the photographer in the Airliners.net search engine.

[oncemorealoft]

Sorry. Open House I don’t have access today.

[Self loading bear]

Back to the other side of time spectrum:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/730x439/ad47b534_b120_417d_aeb3_ed2d719ef49a_93af3c8deee221eb4f2a8fd ac6a8a4001de50eba.jpeg

[dook]

WW1 or earlier open-cockpit flying boat I would say.

If I'm right, then at that time the Americans were the most prolific.

[Self loading bear]

All true!!!

[dook]

Furthermore the biggest American manufacturer was Curtiss.

[Self loading bear]

Do go on, down this waterway

[dook]

Sixteen of them on my favourite site.

Starting the search.....

[dook]

My good site.

Curtiss H-16. Your photo is on there !

[Self loading bear]

I was just about to clue that I myself always start at the Z on mil-airfields when searching for a cold era Aerodrome.
But you came up to H-16 by yourselves.
dook has control

[dook]

Thank you bear. From another site I used to play I have quite a few good bookmarks.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/541x450/fri_7fe12294e0ed09f11ed92f07c0af70ddbb6d069d.jpg

[Self loading bear]

I am looking American but not the Convair deltas with the forked stick...

[dook]

It's not American - it was a European twin-engine fighter.

[sycamore]

Do -335 Arrow......OH if correct...

[dook]

Bingo with the Do-335. Good shooting sycamore.

sycamore has called OH.

[Self loading bear]

Is this sufficient info?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/584x522/b7b3a7da_6b32_4d3a_be83_33f9ca54bd8c_6d3601ea85a05731acb6c85 3fa203136bfd18040.jpeg

[dook]

Check the flying machine thread.

[dook]

Looks incomplete and room for glass screen.

Kit-built ?

[Self loading bear]

The panel is complete and no kit build
some dials are in the lower console or the roof console

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/614x330/d48dd146_c763_4743_898e_5b493a57f47a_dec823cad6f5cd01ad8c14f 958405dc17a15c3b5.jpeg


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/594x968/296c33be_558a_41df_b29d_84bd28225f45_71336076f4cfff3254c2f0b 1f665cd9516871e72.jpeg

[dook]

Edgley Optica.

[Self loading bear]

Edgley Optica it is.
Could have been a better option for NPAS?

[dook]

Might well have been.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/585x453/sat_29503987ef10805d0c42e0c42c5dbbc79ef6b8bc.jpg

[India Four Two]

A non-jet, non-Sabre powered Typhoon? Bf 108?

[dook]

I will give you the 108.

It's actually a Nord Pingouin II.

Over to you.

[India Four Two]

Very generous of you, dook. I had forgotten about the Nord version, but I did notice that the panel was different than the 108s that I looked up. It was the forward folding window that was the clue for me. I had been recently watching videos on the restoration of Kermit Weeks’ 108.

Standby until I get to my computer where I’ve got something lined up, ready for takeoff.

[dook]

Not generous at all.

It is an Me108 after all, and I don't believe in making things difficult. It's supposed to be fun.

[India Four Two]

Sorry for the delay chaps. I can't even use the old "clocks changed" excuse, since ours don't change until next Sunday. ;)

This is the third "new to me" aircraft within a week. The picture was taken by a friend and posted with his permission:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1126x1125/wc_2019_10_22_b7d15aca1e5b054a148366cc7d299128286aa973.png

[dook]

I had enough trouble with your "new to me" bloody helicopter !

I think I'll wait for someone to solicit a clue.

[dook]

Two observations.

The engines seen to quite high revving.

Switches to select boost, indicating perhaps that it is not normal or necessary to use it.

Rotax engines ?

[sycamore]

Bit unusual to have a stick instead of wheel on a twin...
Rather flat windscreen...
competent layout
Possibly homebuilt...?

[dook]

Proper sticks mate - none of these wheel contraptions.

[sycamore]

AH,but you can have your lunch tray on yr knees with a wheel.....ask Jenks..
American....?..

[India Four Two]

Where this aircraft was flown I don't think lunch trays would have been an issue.

Lycosaurus engines. American. Not homebuilt, but limited production. The sharp-eyed will have spotted the gear lever. I looked in vain for the gear warning lights. They are obviously out of shot, but if you could see them, there would only be "two greens".

[dook]

I had noticed the gear selector and also the calibration of the hydraulic pressure gauge.

The pressures do seem to be potentially high.

Is it a twin pusher or perhaps an amphibian ?

[India Four Two]

Nice try, but no* and no. I wondered about the hydraulic pressure gauge too. As far as I know, the only systems that might require significant hydraulic pressure, are the gear and flaps. Perhaps they just used an available gauge.

Designed in the 60s, nine were built, only eight flew, one crashed, six were scrapped and Serial Number 1, in my picture, still flies.

* Interestingly, the designer subsequently built a completely new pusher twin, to fulfill the same rôle.

[dook]

Guess where I'm going looking for "POP 9".

[India Four Two]

Here’s a further picture for the UK early risers.

sycamore mentioned a “Rather flat windscreen ...”.
I would agree:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/208x120/a5b6981b_6cd2_4988_8683_dc8d244fa4f8_cf6270291a9579d121e849a 6aa4f0d2ee6df3446.jpeg

[Cubs2jets]

Evangel 4500. Open house.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x819/55529_1483710104_dade78d18e5cbc889dcb23daf65e59f10938d2f4.jp g

C2j

[India Four Two]

That's the one. It makes "The Shed" look positively streamlined!

STOL twin built for missionary work in South America.

Evangel 4500 (http://www.evangel4500.com/index.html)

My friend saw Alaska-based N4501L at Penticton BC. He was told it was there for painting, prior to going to a museum.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1440x1440/74532373_10157715772059250_5203773309157638144_o_4d81cbf4b14 ea1dbf78d44b28c80152fb4fcd951.jpg

C2j has declared Open House.

[Self loading bear]

Praise the Lord!
Luckily He looks to us all being equal,
I often wonders if that applies to aircraft as well when they meet their Maker?

Nice challenge
please do tell us more about the pusher!