What Cockpit?

[Self loading bear]

Why did it need two pilots?

Why would it need a pilot at all?

”Driver just follow the aircraft in front of you”

The other big gliders Horsa and WACO also had two followers on the yokes.

Noyade hasn’t with the Hamilcar.

[Archer4]

Why would it need a pilot at all?

I suspect without them the landing would have been even more rough than it already was.

[Noyade]

Thanks SLB.
All I have in return is an external cockpit shot....

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x540/tis_all_i_have_878d5b9f6624c99877abc21eadf201ab758b66b4.jpg

[sycamore]

Another glider...flying wing ,or `lifting-body...?

[Asturias56]

sort of reminds me of the F2Y - maybe some sort of proof-of-concept aircraft

[Beamr]

Another glider...flying wing ,or `lifting-body...?
maybe all of them, Horten H.III has similarities? Maybe some concept since awfully small and without canopy?


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x654/nevington_horten_ho_iib3_1_orig_7aa03437ca75ae09ffa432eacb19 8a6ea9b733b9.jpg

[asw28-866]

I stumbled across the source image so will not spoil the chase, suffice it say on the right trail.

[Noyade]

Yes, an experimental tail-less glider circa 1948. Only one built and looking at the wiki site - a bit of a Turkey.

[Asturias56]

With that clear clue I'll go for the Turkish THK13

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THK-13

[Noyade]

That's him, A56. :ok:
Over to you.

[Asturias56]

Not easy that one.... this one won't last long...............

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x1013/2cockpit_3e56ef5505edaea974808848281807cf63d45047.jpg

[Terry Dactil]

Hmmm.
Single engine, fixed pitch prop, high wing (exposed aileron cables) and instrument panel layout a dog's breakfast.
That cable draped around the throttle is possibly for cowl flaps or a cabin heat control that has come adrift.
I reckon it must be a British design. :E

[Asturias56]

Could be right - I though the kitchen timer on the extreme right was a bit of a give-away- looks just like the one in our kitchen

[Bergerie1]

A Spillers Chow dog?

[asw28-866]

Think the errant "cable" is actually a poorly stowed iPad charger lead, it has an Apple type plug on the loose end.

[sycamore]

You might think it`s a little `Auster-e`,probably a Lycoming powered one with that `push-pull` thingummy...

[Asturias56]

I have to go out today so I'll slide under the Rule and declare Sycamore the winner as he was the first one to actually name the beast

It is of course an Auster - an Aussie J2

See https://airfactsjournal.com/2020/09/ferrying-a-1946-auster-j2-through-australia/

Auster J2 Arrow Special, c/n 2384, was built in 1946 at Rearsby, Leicestershire in the UK by Auster Aircraft Ltd. It first went to Belgium as OO-AXF before coming to Australia, where it became VH-KAY on 31 May 1951. In 1958 it was re-registered as VH-RQL with the Royal Queensland Aero Club at Archerfield. The 75 hp Continental C-75-12 engine was replaced with a Lycoming 0-235-C1B of 115 hp. It then became an Auster J2 Special. In 1963 it became VH-PUL."

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x640/vh_pul_5ea55d1ed5c06191d0b5a16abf72d07d99fd3caf.jpg

[sycamore]

Thanks A56,,afraid it`s Open House.....

[cavuman1]

Thanks, sycamore! You are all so good, I expect this offering will not last long. I haven't been on this thread since I received an unwelcome browbeating from the sainted Dook....

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1600x1200/mystery_cockpit_b8145f1d0f30d7d5a91497f4f185478b8188cc57.jpg

- Ed

[UV]

You need to remove the reg!

[ea200]

Looks very like a LongEZ.

[cavuman1]

Thanks, UV! I'm, err, visually compromised and cannot see the reg. even when looking for it. (Nobody said getting old was easy.) ea200 is correct with his LongEZ conjecture, as a matter of fact the first person to have flown this aircraft was Dick Rutan. We'll give the win to ea200, or to whomever reveals the type of powerplant utilized by this bird.

- Ed

[ea200]

Thanks cavuman1. As to the powerplant, I see guages marked Helium, LOX and fuel. I also see an ammeter with a large scale. I assume the fuel is Hydrogen and therefore there is a fuel cell driving an electric motor?

OH I'm afraid

[cavuman1]

An excellent guess, ea200, but the correct answer is ROCKET! The Brothers Rutan were adrenalin junkies to the max, apparently. See: XCOR EZ-Rocket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCOR_EZ-Rocket)

Would a member be kind enough to advise me on the easiest way to mask registration numbers in a Microsoft Windows 10 environment? Does one put the photo in MS Paint, then affix a shaped opaque object over the area in question? Thanks in advance for your help!

Looking forward to a new entry in OH.

- Ed

[Asturias56]

I put the picture into PowerPoint draw a box over it and change the colours of the fill and border to something close to the background - then Select all/ Group/save as picture

[cavuman1]

Thank you for your suggestion, Asturias56!

- Ed

[meleagertoo]

Helium? LOX??? Strewth!
It's got Rutan written all over it. The canard all but confirms an -eze.
Did he make a Vari/Long - eze with rocket propulsion? Sounds right up his street- the crazy bugger, so I'll call it a Rutan Rocket- Eze.

[cavuman1]

Concur, meleagertoo! See the link in my post #2274 above about the XCOR EZ Rocket. The helium must've been for ullage/inerting, alcohol was oxidized with LOX, and whammo - 10,000 ft./min. climb rate!

- Ed

[Self loading bear]

As we have an Open House:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1145x663/5f967d01_a130_4a95_91c5_2a6bdf4c48cb_ba5765fc69486a88872444d f724dc54694842657.jpeg

[sycamore]

Boy from Brazil...?

[Asturias56]

So clean! So tidy!!

[Self loading bear]

Boy from Brazil...?

No embracement
It is from River Cape.

[Beamr]

Kawasaki C-2

[Self loading bear]

Kawasaki C-2

Beamr has it with the Kawasaki (river cape) C-2

[Beamr]

How about this then?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/607x406/cockpit_0d8f908d69ca22d6d0e399cd55a972f9ffe28318.jpg

[zetec2]

Plus whats that over middle right tail into the bushes ?.

[Beamr]

Plus whats that over middle right tail into the bushes ?.
A pilatus porter?

[Beamr]

Hint: someone in Italy had an idea of making these leading to zero sales.

How about this then?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/607x406/cockpit_0d8f908d69ca22d6d0e399cd55a972f9ffe28318.jpg

[UV]

Aermachii M290.OH if correct.

[Beamr]

Aermachii M290.OH if correct.
Very close, but no cigar.

[Jhieminga]

See previous post: https://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/547101-what-cockpit-77.html#post10685021 We had the same discussion back then ;)

[Beamr]

See previous post: https://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/547101-what-cockpit-77.html#post10685021 We had the same discussion back then ;)
oh dear, I missed that one entirely! So the correct answer is there already, Valmet L-90 TP Redigo.

I'll get me coat... :ouch:

As UV announced OH, be my quest...

[Asturias56]

Don't think this will last long...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/319x268/2021_05_27_122558_fe726b0f48f2a06c1946478c298123469f7ebab5.j pg

[CoodaShooda]

As no one else seems to be having a go, I’ll hazard a guess at Sopwith Pup. OH, if so.

[Asturias56]

Yes - the Sopwith Pup it sis

CS has declared OH

[Self loading bear]

Since Open House:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/394x288/05d38217_1b2a_4529_8eab_9c9c4869d060_89ea6d3a8fea79453f3222c b00ea57c78b9ac326.jpeg

[sycamore]

SH-3/HH-3...?

[Self loading bear]

SH-3/HH-3...?

I am not allowed to comment but I can invite other treaders to come with other answers.

[Self loading bear]

It is not the SH/HH-3
Nor the S-61/S-61R
Nor the British deratives or the Italian license.

[Beamr]

Well, sikorsky S56 then.

[Self loading bear]

Well, sikorsky S56 then.
Exactly also known as the CH/H-37 Mojave.
Take It away Beamr

[Beamr]

Why thank you, this one I've checked, has not been here before. Apologies for the grainy picture.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/512x442/123_7a40b6ef25328c90bcb78cdb5fe38d0bccd1e137.jpg

[India Four Two]

Green panel, AH with built-in slip ball, ignition switch reminiscent of a Yak 52, what looks like the famous "Mig clock" top right and the very tall stick makes me think Russian trainer. However, I can't find one with a side-hinged canopy.

[Beamr]

You are going in the right direction... at least from geographical point of view.

[sycamore]

Possibly a Yak-18PM....?

[Beamr]

Possibly a Yak-18PM....?
Sorry, it isn't...

[Beamr]

Hint: this wasn't designed by any of the traditional soviet design bureaus, hence no military trainer.

[Beamr]

Hint: an aerobatics trainer by design, design by students at an aviation university in Moscow.

[asw28-866]

MAI-SKB-3PM KVANT...
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x276/kvant_ecd45d5eb9e35ec11ef131d2a0ad56b46451cb0b.jpg

Nothing to hand I'm afraid, open house if correct.

[Beamr]

MAI-SKB-3PM KVANT...

Nothing to hand I'm afraid, open house if correct.
100% correct answer.

OH as published.

[asw28-866]

Found something, try this...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/820x770/wckpt030621a_3f20f698a81756fe45e8f79254018b7d854ac69b.jpg
The comfort of a large car, flew in one as nipper, they are huge!

[BSD]

The French made me think Wassmer, but now I'm going to suggest it is the Cerva CE43 Guepard.

Open house I'm afraid if correct, nothing to hand ATM.

BSD.

[India Four Two]

Nice challenge, Beamr. An interesting aircraft.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x735/kvantlii_a6650198f7f324f4727214fe1d060a1e4643a348.jpg

OSKBES MAI. Kvant (Quantum). Experimental aerobatic aircraft (http://www.oskbes.ru/kvant-e.html)

[asw28-866]

Not the Cerva CE43, the French is a clue. Only 55,700FF brand-new circa 50 years ago...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/727x198/price_0feda17a47814fb817650940cc518b72d34ae6ee.jpg
the view looking forward...
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/673x384/wckpt030621b_2__14fa0a01b99af794fd0588cb1ed6b58d5cc33e67.jpg

[Noyade]

The small triangular pieces of cockpit and the control handle shapes appear to match the Wassmer 40/41?
But BSD has already mentioned this.

https://twitter.com/becker_avionics/status/829816571077996548

[asw28-866]

Noyade, you have it with the Wassmer W.41 Baladou, a great big comfortable barge of a thing...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x1600/s_l1600_49c0efd2dfa3e20aa9bc0580d92f5c0020d38cec.jpg

Whilst BSD did mention Wassmer, they talked themselves out of it opting for the related but later Cerva, thus Noyade has control.

[Noyade]

Cheers ASW.
One thing that threw me looking at silhouettes and photos of the Wassmer is I couldn't locate those two small 'windows' you see on the top right of your first photo.
Were they standard?


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x414/scan0555_96626a368cf6775781ed22be8d0e2ca23ad5732d.jpg

[Noyade]

Thanks for giving me control, but credit also to BSD.

Here goes...


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x810/scan0554_b0f5f134ac32427057d2f0d5bd466ed84c8426df.jpg

[asw28-866]

Of course credit all round. I think your “small Windows” are an optical illusion caused by the framing of the picture with the canopy fully open. I see them as the top corner of the side transparencies.

[Noyade]

Thanks ASW.

The cockpit belongs to delta wing jet. First flight was in 1954.

[asw28-866]

I was looking at the F102 Delta Dagger as the cockpit framing appears to have the distinctive triangular form, but panel and control column do no match. Also of course period is correct but first flight year wrong. Got me stumped.

[Self loading bear]

Fairey Delta 2
is a match on delta and year
But cockpit is different.

[Self loading bear]

Nord 1405 Gerfaut?
Only found an FSX digital cockpit but that looks close.

[Beamr]

Dassault Mystere II
edit: though it is no delta wing, and first flight in 1951. Mystere iv 1954, but cockpit a bit different.
Then theres the MD550 Mystere Delta, but the sources I found state first flight 25th June 1955, and I can't find any cockpit picture.


Edit2: Another source claims the mystere-delta first flight on 25th June 1954, so either is incorrect. But I cant find a picture of the cockpit so cant be 100% sure.

[Noyade]

Nord 1405 Gerfaut?

Well found mate. :ok:
Over to you.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Noyade.

@Beamr:
#metoo
looked at the Delta Mystere.
but I could find a cockpit photo which showed to be different enough to omit it.
No this:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/768x621/83b0edfc_1cc3_4e0b_a7b0_374cc6c5f934_e23b9845de387e42d45b8bb 568032f7484d2507f.jpeg
Does it count as a cockpit photo?

[UV]

I think it is the Eaglet glider which was aero towed across the USA.The telephone was to communicate with the tow plane.
OH if correct.

[Self loading bear]

I think it is the Eaglet glider which was aero towed across the USA.The telephone was to communicate with the tow plane.
OH if correct.

UV is fully correct and has called open house.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/512x346/75d4a412_dd6e_4be7_8285_b3be0dbf5d5f_b1209639466e05e8e323a3b 1e05057ccaf700b38.png

[Noyade]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x700/cockpit_6878e997a387e24551d12653091812892341042a.png

[Allan Lupton]

That'd be the unlovely Shorts' Seamew

[Noyade]

Indeed it is Allan. :ok:
My day is coming to an end and yours is just starting - so over to you.
Cheers.

[Allan Lupton]

That wasn't difficult and neither is this one:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/931x740/cockpit001_0648f3be0983773ea667d174cfdb72927e6b3d4c.jpg

[sycamore]

3-Ring Captain," C`mon co- get that ADF tuned"....to BBC1...."Then we can pretend to be flying...even if the engines aren`t running"...

[Sideshow Bob]

That looks like a Comet 1, OH if correct

[Allan Lupton]

That looks like a Comet 1, OH if correct
Yes it does, as that's what it is.
Not sure about the headgear but it was a BOAC-credited photo so must be right!
Sideshow Bob has declared Open House.

[Beamr]

Ok, whats this then?

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/632x492/1414005042_6_84ba60bdfa0c87bfd7fe9c5849795e624c2374e8.jpg

[Beamr]

Hint 1: it's a diesel.

[Asturias56]

I guess the prominent red handle isn't an ejector seat but perhaps a parachute recovery system?

[Beamr]

I guess the prominent red handle isn't an ejector seat but perhaps a parachute recovery system?
well, its no Martin-Baker, but it is an ejection system.

[Beamr]

ok, heres another picture of the same aircraft.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/567x283/112k_aec947140f37cfa3abcf0e46ecf3e9ced6f0e6d5.jpg

[Noyade]

Hint 1: it's a diesel.

Possibly the Yak-152?

[sycamore]

Yak-152; new basic trainer for Ru.AF.The seats are Zvezda SKS-94M,which maybe an `extraction` system rather than a `seat ejection`,rather like the Stencel system in later Skyraiders..Can`t seem to find much about it,but it can be fitted to Su-29/49 trainers....

OPEN HOUSE....

beaten by Noyade....

[Beamr]

Well done gentlemen! YAK-152 it is indeed! I find that plane very interesting due to being diesel, unpressurized, having the SKS-94 (so called "light ejection system") and glass cockpit.

Heres a clip of the SKS-94 in tests:

https://www.military.com/video/aircraft/ejection-seats/sukhoi-su-29-ejection-test/1039252072001

Noyade was the first so over to that corner

[Noyade]

Cheers Beamr.

All I have is a cutaway....


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/613x517/inside_407859399a46faee430f7fc9e357821dccde634e.jpg

[BSD]

Cheers Beamr.

All I have is a cutaway....


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/613x517/inside_407859399a46faee430f7fc9e357821dccde634e.jpg



Feel a bit of a heel for saying this, but you might possibly have left a bit too much info in the cutaway......

Great challenge though.

[UV]

Feel a bit of a heel for saying this, but you might possibly have left a bit too much info in the cutaway......
.

That’s putting the boot in!

[asw28-866]

stop pedalling conspiracy theories!

[Terry Dactil]

Quit pussy-footing around and just tell me. :ok:

[Self loading bear]

The NH naughty Caiman of the French navy?

[Noyade]

The NH naughty Caiman of the French navy?

No mate. The manufacturer's name is in the cutaway. Never intended - but I can't back-pedal now.

[BSD]

Great challenge Noyade, which provided even more fun thinking of cryptic/silly puns etc. I'll leave it to someone else to nail it down with make, and model etc.

Posted a photo of a truly unique aeroplane cockpit myself some while ago, thinking it would take days to resolve. However, I'd failed to spot the registration resplendent on the panel. A keen-eyed observer and Dr. Google meant it lasted about 12 seconds!

This and "what aerodrome" are the best things on PPRUNE.

Cheers all,

BSD.

[sycamore]

I did post this a few moons ago.....K-Max1200
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x200/kamank1200instrumentation_th_e62695fcbc8bf1fd4e93090feede76b 68fea642d.jpg
OPEN HOUSE......

[Noyade]

.K-Max1200

:ok:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaman_K-MAX

OPEN HOUSE.

[UV]

As it is open house

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/97c28e81_04d6_4ce8_8fe3_570863c463c5_af0ca8bedf4597e469efe71 14afbab43c68f00a7.jpeg

[Jamesel]

Even with the “iron thermal”, I would have thought one of the older Cadets would have recognized this…..

[asw28-866]

A familiar view with over a thousand launches in one, though the windscreen was a little less period and the lump in the front more chatty! As conversions go, I think these are quite fun.

[UV]

Is anyone going to formally name this cockpit? I think the two replies above are obviously aware!

[Fitter2]

As I can't see any cylinder heads, I would be interested to know which particular Motor Tutor this was, and which engine. Obviously not an original JAP V-twin either, which a friend said he borrowed each year for a single flight, and each time took half an hour to confirm what a ridiculous way of getting into the air.

Open house, haven't got anything anonymous enough, sorry.

[UV]

Correct Fitter.

It is G-BZLK. Check Flickr pics.

Open House declared.

[Fitter2]

OK, as there are no takers so far, just to keep things going

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/738x670/panel_3d1960758c3a5569e1c5d10066c2627873be8295.jpg

[UV]

Steel tube construction? Vintage type? Release looks really weird! What is the round bulbous thing on the right and the vertical thing at the top of the instrument panel? All very strange.
The smallish wings make me think it’s a 15 metre (or smaller) single seater
Surely not one of the Ka series?

[Fitter2]

The round object is a RAM universal mount for a GPS or other nav device; top of the panel is the canopy jettison control.

Yes steel tube fuselage single seater; not a Rudolf Kaiser design.

[UV]

Thinking something like the Scheibe Spatz.

if not, is it German design?

[India Four Two]

Doesn't look like a Spatz to me.

Whatever it is, the owner has spent a lot of money on instruments.

[Fitter2]

Not a Spatz, but yes to German.

Hardly an expensive panel, the blank itself was new (since the old one appeared designed to amputate ones legs in the event of an incident) but everything else came out of the 'surplus box' of instruments removed from other people's gliders during panel upgrades.

[UV]

So not Ka series, but is German. So Scheibe perhaps?

Maybe an SF27?

[Fitter2]

An Egon Scheibe design, yes (I shared a room with him at the 1965 World Championships) but not the SF27

[Self loading bear]

An Egon Scheibe design, yes (I shared a room with him at the 1965 World Championships) but not the SF27

Then perhaps the SF-30 Zugvogel?
I understand that was a derative of the SF-27
I can not tell the differences from a dashboard photo.
If correct then I will have UV take the stick.

[Fitter2]

Er - the SF30 is the Club Spatz, a 1970s design, with some commonality with the 1960s SF27, which itself was originally called to Zugvogel 5., and a developed 15 meter version of the earlier 1950s design 17 meter Zugvogel 3.

As the pic is of a Zugvogel 3B I think you can have it so over to UV. This one:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/571x460/fye_a23f70edbe6451f0aff0764ff10f08388ef1a8aa.jpg

[Self loading bear]

My apologies
When flipping through various models I have mixed up type numbers and names.
I did find cockpit photos of SF-27 & SF-30 but didn’t look hard enough for the 3B.
So I have not solved your challenge.
As you have revealed the correct answer, now indeed better to give UV the lead as he did largest part of the search.

[UV]

Thank you, I think I followed that!

Try this...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1337x1276/0504829d_ecd7_4f21_ab0c_df88c3b644e3_155a676b7e4a5cee53d4cb3 86bd0aea72450271d.jpeg

[sycamore]

Possibly an Ercoupe...?

[asw28-866]

For some reason the control column arrangement has always stuck in my mind from my junior days, and came to almost instant recall now much senior in age!

[UV]

Possibly an Ercoupe...?
Sorry, not an Ercoupe

[India Four Two]

After the cryptic clue from "Dylan Thomas", all is revealed. The Malmö/Bölkow Junior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmö_MFI-9

[UV]

Well done I42 for naming it. Also asw28 for the clues! It is indeed the Bolkow Junior although sometimes irreverently called the Bolcow.

Actually I quite enjoyed flying it!

Over to you, 42

[India Four Two]

I didn't realize the Junior had a shared stick. Reminds me of flying the Victa Airtourer.

Nothing to hand. Open House.

[asw28-866]

Try this one, the aircraft's designer is the chap in the hat...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/566x506/wc1_d540604862fb989460569435ba0c1d415e4133d3.jpg

'866

[asw28-866]

The aircraft designer (chap in the hat from a contemporary 1936 illustration which depicts a well known, in their country of origin, aviatrix), also designed this watch...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x462/wc5_85d4a03e46056a26ab1105483f27952cb76ae342.jpg

[asw28-866]

Perhaps something a little more tangible, the front (p.2) cockpit (inline engine in this example)...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/639x479/wc2_a8cdd16b37ddffb6392f6f904c6f864c20c45d2d.jpg

[asw28-866]

The rear cockpit of the same example...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/830x622/wc3_e5b43a54ab03631a7a2582c016e2c32fe39dbe17.jpg

[Noyade]

French?
Caudron?

[asw28-866]

French, oui
Caudron, non!

[Noyade]

Mauboussin of sorts?
M.120?

[asw28-866]

Quite correct, a Mauboussin M.12x Corsaire. Amazing to think Pierre Mauboussin designed aircraft, jewellery, watches, and even a car!
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1182x835/m123pnut_be35dd11110202fa02abb4dd8e21bcdd614cf4fd.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/948x520/wc6_cf94220bc1224c7c6700184bbffbf6188061278a.jpg
Noyade has control.

[Pypard]

Quite correct, a Mauboussin M.12x Corsaire. Amazing to think Pierre Mauboussin designed aircraft, jewellery, watches, and even a car!



Mmm. Not sure 'designed' is the right word...

[Noyade]

Cheers 886.
There are soooo many similar looking machines out there to the Mauboussin.
Thankfully, this is not one of them.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x559/example_7af219bbe04292c5005a86c6a6052bea658adc74.jpg

[dash7fan]

Convair 440 ?

[Noyade]

You had me at Convair. :ok:
Over to you dash7fan.

As I understand, it's a Convair VC-131D configured to look like a TAA Convair 340.

VH-TAA Convair 340-67 (http://www.aussieairliners.org/convair/vh-taa/vh-taa.html)

The guide that showed us through the aircraft related a story how it was previously owned by a South African railway magnate that decked out the interior to look like a railway carriage - including the toilet.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x548/scan0579_7647f31dd26017ef267efbec345aeaac4ef72dbb.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x752/scan0587_6a8479e8ec3a84ab3336b3c651c8d5c0628f56f9.jpg

[dash7fan]

Thanks Noyade, sorry for delay

OH

[asw28-866]

Something for the weekend...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/686x519/wca_dc017d56ad8280de08202b277cae5469260d9b0e.jpg
'866

[UV]

Hmmm ....Beagle Pup?

[dixi188]

I recognise those Ford Cortina air vents.
I had to make a new RH panel for a Pup for a new radio fit back when Pontius was a pilot.

[asw28-866]

Not to waste the supplementary image whilst we await the clock...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/624x470/wcb_03d00777c1418adc1ea72305d114311ae81b8ad3.jpg

I recall thinking as a child how 'modern' they looked on the Surrey & Kent apron at Biggin Hill in the early 70's, and being thrilled at the air vents since Dad was a confirmed Ford man!

All will be confirmed once 24 hours has elapsed.

[UV]

The last pic a Eagle Pup 121 Series 2 .....but the first pic is not the same aeroplane.

So, I say again Beagle Pup!

[asw28-866]

Yes UV it's the Beagle B.121 Pup, and quite correct the pictures are not the same airframe. 24 has elapsed, UV has control.

[FlightlessParrot]

The last pic a Eagle Pup 121 Series 2 .....but the first pic is not the same aeroplane.



The upholstery shows it's a different trim level. Was there a Ghia?

[meleagertoo]

The upholstery shows it's a different trim level. Was there a Ghia?
No, but there was an 'S' model - the Bulldog.

[dixi188]

The upholstery shows it's a different trim level. Was there a Ghia?
Not sure how long a vinyl roof would last.

[UV]

Yes UV it's the Beagle B.121 Pup, and quite correct the pictures are not the same airframe. 24 has elapsed, UV has control.

Thank you asw.

Open House, I’m afraid.

[India Four Two]

The control columns are surprisingly tall. Are they the same in the Bulldog? I flew one once, but I don’t remember the stick geometry.

[Noyade]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x550/scan0593_d962e19529c4ab6c0d2688a3ed531e473a388640.jpg

[UV]

Green = Russian?

[bafanguy]

Green = Russian?

Or Douglas...

[meleagertoo]

Sings prettily, does it?
On second thoughts those radios look entirely peaceful, so it's probably just a - well - let's just say it's a couple of digits short of its BAC counterpart, Doug?

[sycamore]

An-124.......

[Noyade]

Or Douglas...

It is..... :)

[oncemorealoft]

Then it must be a DC9.

[Beamr]

How about C9 nightingale?

[bafanguy]

Then it must be a DC9.

Hard to tell from the pic but the flap handle appears to be more MD80ish. The DC9-30 had a flap/slat handle (two components) that could be split to operate the flaps independently of the slats in abnormal conditions. OH if I guessed correctly.

You can see (sort of) in these pix:

https://www.google.com/search?q=dc9-30+cockpit&client=firefox-b-1-d&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=sD1cXwQ1OMzRmM%252CNL5CpHe-wmjCzM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTgu-Ygcg7oFwlm-ff-3OLSLnESbQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-h6Gm0efxAhXRWc0KHb03BekQ9QF6BAgLEAE&biw=1425&bih=683#imgrc=SEul5au1ZQMiGM

[Noyade]

appears to be more MD80ish.

Yes, it's the 35th McDonnell Douglas MD-82 constructed in China.

The MD-82 was assembled under license in Shanghai by the Shanghai Aviation Industrial Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Aviation_Industry_Corporation_I) (SAIC, today's COMAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMAC)) beginning in November 1986; the sub-assemblies were delivered by McDonnell Douglas in kit form.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-80#cite_note-Airclaims-6)[page needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)]

OPEN HOUSE

[oncemorealoft]

Gosh, I hadn’t realised how long ago the Chinese started making the MD82. Well done Bafanfly.

[oncemorealoft]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1260x1026/44d2ad91_ef48_4691_8961_12e7483868ff_132e13f087c9f28a344e8f3 58828b715cf52b697.jpeg
I’ll seize the OH if that’s OK. Just over 100 of these were made, far fewer than its predecessor.

[Beamr]

The competitor for B29 :)

[India Four Two]

I think Beamr has it. The B29 plus 3.

What happened to the intervening types?

[oncemorealoft]

Yes it's the Consolidated B32 Dominator. Well done.

[Beamr]

I currently have nothing worthy posting so OH on my behalf.

[Noyade]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x652/1623270229660_8cb6ac8457b0db0d4b445b84cd4759d35629641e.png

[Noyade]

Moving back...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x548/1623270371270_ad5524cbd1677928dd4807cb743c00d37795b0a2.png

American amphibian - 1928.

[Noyade]

Outside...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x293/1623270204636_432315b61985e34df98b4fb349cbab0ca8a79084.png

[Asturias56]

Now that IS ugly

[Beamr]

My eyes, my eyes! That Loening C2 designer must've had some strange mushrooms...

[Noyade]

Leoning C-2H - apparently one of two for the US Navy - XHL-1.
Over you Beamr. :ok:

[Beamr]

Have a go on this one:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/624x403/12935l_1_6fee65323559b3821a6b34e8bf7fc301ed8943ad.jpg

[sycamore]

C-82/C-119...?

[Beamr]

Neither, sorry.

Hint: These had been modified to fully pressurized fuselage.

[Allan Lupton]

Neither, sorry.

Hint: These had been modified to fully pressurized fuselage.
Does that make it a Canadair 4?

[sycamore]

Looks to me to be a twin.....

[Beamr]

Yes, it's a twin. The Canadair is a tad too big, these were intended as exec transports, hence the fully pressurized fuselage was done. The modification included DC-6 flat windows in the cockpit.
On a side note: the DC6 seems to have been a popular organ donor for multitude of projects, this had many parts from a six as did the Canadair!

[Noyade]

On Mark Marksman?

[Beamr]

On Mark Marksman?
well done! The changes are quite massive as originally these were A26 Invaders. Only 8 conversions made, of which two were delivered to Air America, of which only one saw any action in SE Asia. Apparently it was more often misidentified on the ground as an armed military aircraft causing missions to fail. As the fuselage was pressurized, they changed longer nose on to it to create luggage compartment.

Heres a few pics inside. And a pic of one that still exists in somewhat poor condition, but shows the modifications from Invader rather well.

Noyade, all yours!

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x525/12935l_3_5f7856f763e7675c8f79b45d421605a05ce25ccc.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x525/12935l_2_27a671d5ee7915f2e8fe686e280b51d62b3bf064.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x225/19988_1490627510_f48755aeb12d434e91418e8fb6ea82b25057c6b3.jp g

[Noyade]

Thanks Beamr.
Another interior/cockpit shot - but with less wood paneling and room than the Marksman.
Only five built.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x417/scan0552_d6ff04336aa2fdc24fe99c2863f683e9ca6476dc.jpg

[Noyade]

USA.
Pusher-prop.

[Self loading bear]

USA.
Pusher-prop.

The AASI Jetcruzer fits the bill but I could not find any cabin picture to confirm.

[Noyade]

Nicely done Bear - over to you. :ok:

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Noyade,

Next challenge

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/536x369/9b5b6153_cb7f_43a4_b9b9_5489fb226a01_a01aca7a69854c73a032ca8 1b1dce02819b73089.jpeg

[UV]

Hopefully this will push the challenge along ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luwAMFcc2f8

[Beamr]

Hopefully this will push the challenge along ...
That certainly gave at least 44 hints

[Self loading bear]

It is NOT a Robbie 44
That looks different:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/550x366/5e8c70d6_b0e1_4051_b18b_05a16cbf6916_56be50c4c986e0591bf4b9d 70daf33bc6ef5ffa7.jpeg

[UV]

It is NOT a Robbie 44


Quite right. The aircraft in the challenge climbs more like a homesick angel.

[Noyade]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x345/must_06d86b75ec6f1ba1a87dc63fcc93a496bbdbc837.png


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAC_Angel

[Self loading bear]

Beamr and UV, tHanks for adding the funny clues.
But I like the Eurithmics above Robbie Williams.

Definitely the AAC Angel 44 the successor of the Evangel.
Noyade on the wooden yoke.

[Noyade]

Cheers Bear - and the clue makers.

Another cutaway.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x393/scan0592_b8ca1bdcde79d303c7d1462aeda2aebc2d56c220.jpg

[asw28-866]

Are we in the Americas?

[Noyade]

Are we in the Americas?
We certainly are.

[Asturias56]

Business jet perhaps?

[Beamr]

SyberJet SJ30?

[Noyade]

SyberJet SJ30?

Bingo! :ok:
Tis yours Beamr.

[Beamr]

Bingo! :ok:
Tis yours Beamr.
Blimey, I knew I'd seen that window frame shape somewhere.
However, here's a bit different frame shape

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/199x170/unnamed_1_7df21293d39c3f912f021355c4d4630a57ac6b6b.jpg

[sycamore]

German or Japanese....?

[Beamr]

German or Japanese....?

Was expecting that question :)
But it is neither.

[Noyade]

A sleek French twin that currently resides in a museum?

[Beamr]

A sleek French twin that currently resides in a museum?
you are on the right tracks

[Self loading bear]

you are on the right tracks
oh deer oh deer

[Beamr]

oh deer oh deer

Oh yes, that deer has the aerodynamic means of regulation and control. Is it cousin to Santas Rudolph then?

[Self loading bear]

Is René a cousin of Rudolph?

https://gfycat.com/limitedcloseamericancicada

[Noyade]

So with all that - must be the Hirsch H-100.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_H.100

[Beamr]

So with all that - must be the Hirsch H-100.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_H.100
quite right, old chap.
Underneath is the original picture, and with some editing I thought it would seem like some german WW2 invention and wouldn't be so easily solved especially since just one made, by La Résistance. And you folks solved it in a flash. Hats off.

As our deer Rene would probably put it, whats our next Fallen Madonna with Big Boobies, Noyade?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/512x342/unnamed_2_84997e70027665ba25a903f46198c7b14d876fd2.jpg

[Noyade]

Cheers!


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/723x557/inside_6f30e1a34479e44f9aa5b63fadf2c7bcd3866b60.jpg

[Noyade]

Some clues then.
USA.
Well known manufacturer.
Very large.
Only one built.

[Beamr]

I spent ages on the lines of stratocruiser and its variants, but with the hint of only one made this is Douglas XB-19.

[Noyade]

Douglas XB-19.

It is indeed.
Over to you Beamr. :ok:

[Beamr]

Here you go.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/960x641/1cockpit1_338f893df2abe0c96794e70acbdec95ffe956eb0.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Finnally you lighten up our day.

[sycamore]

Italian....?

[Beamr]

Finnally you lighten up our day.
Well there is a rainbow after every storm, you know.

Italian....?
Nope.

[sycamore]

VL Pyorremyrsky(Hurricane) ....?

[Self loading bear]

Kirkastaa
brighten or enlighten

[ea200]

The only connection I see leads me to the Caudron C714 but I'm not convinced.

[Beamr]

Sycamore is on the tracks but not quite there yet.

I am not quite sure what SLB is after :confused:

Caudron it is not.

They made 51 of these and a few saw action before the WW2 ended. No aerial victories but no losses either. The only recorded aerial fight was a contact with a Yak and ended to a tie.

[ea200]

Valmet Vihuri then?

[Beamr]

Valmet Vihuri then?
Sorry, getting colder. Vihuri was post-war.

[Self loading bear]

The turn knob in the middle made it clear to me that the cockpit was Finnish.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/667x552/d52f0cdb_a148_40fb_a599_45ec01f3ea04_f40924965356ac22ca5de69 4484bce3bc21e8ac9.jpeg

[Beamr]

The turn knob in the middle made it clear to me that the cockpit was Finnish.



Ah, quite right! :ok:
But, I must once again wonder how on earth did you get it that fast. I thought i'd give you guys a decent puzzle this time.

[Self loading bear]

Ah, quite right! :ok:
But, I must once again wonder how on earth did you get it that fast. I thought i'd give you guys a decent puzzle this time.

For the others you apparently did.
I try to be extremely cautious with adding clues to one others challenges.
As what might be obscure to me might very much help some others.

[Asturias56]

I find sometimes I came a cross a clue when searching the web on a previous challenge - and sometimes I remember (not often)

[Beamr]

I find sometimes I came a cross a clue when searching the web on a previous challenge - and sometimes I remember (not often)
I hear you, the Mirage I on the sister thread was something I had recently ran into pursuing some other challenge hence knew immediately what it was about.

This challenge though is still missing the correct answer.

[Noyade]

They made 51 of these.

The VL Myrsky II (Storm)...?

[Beamr]

The VL Myrsky II (Storm)...?

Correct.

And what comes to the brightening knob, it is the sight illumination adjustment.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1519x975/myrsky_kojelauta_9a13f272eb5e71ce1f3b0b5cdba9474ded6b2e65.jp g

[Noyade]

Thanks Beamr. The only clues I grasped were Finnish and 51.

Apologies - but this is all I have to offer...


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x445/all_i_have_27ca4f6d60cb4d32e4c750b3255eb39a666c5ecd.jpg

[Beamr]

Apologies - but this is all I have to offer...



Well, it is one gorgeously ugly jet alright, but no need to apologise....

[Asturias56]

Looks like a light attack aircraft .................

[sycamore]

Phrogfoot-Su-25...?

[Asturias56]

Doesn't look quite right - the cockpit edge by the pilots shoulder comes up higher on the Su-25 I think

[sycamore]

How about a Pucara...?

[Asturias56]

Pucara was 2 seat I think and had a rising cockpit line with hooped stringers to hold the glazing........

It looks VERY industrial - and Russian to m

Perhaps an Su-17?

[Noyade]

Well, there is a connection with the Su-25 - but not the Su-17.
Yes, Russian...

[Asturias56]

Not the Il-102?

Now THAT was strange throwback..................

[Beamr]

Not the Il-102?

Now THAT was strange throwback..................
I love the description of it: most gorgeously ugly combat jet ever. Which it truly is :D

[Asturias56]

I'm sure the top brass weren't fooled - it was obviously a 1938 design dragged out and re engined - they'd probably been on a bender and forgot the submission date....................

I'm having trouble uploading an image - sticking at 90% loaded so OH

[Self loading bear]

Nice Challenge!
I looked at the Il-40 but not any further.
I started searching “cockpit fuselage section”
Then this came up closest to a cockpit with horizontal bar.
Does anyone know what this one is?

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/866x1015/1bba5cd9_f757_4952_ac4a_5b0b2d66813d_4e1b72b5c71f711ab3da4fb 39fe324ff30d32c15.jpeg

[Noyade]

Il-102

Yes indeed.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x448/dead_af1545b1daaac61899dc93f7b8b7c3227f8970ff.png

Ilyushin went to great pains at the time to dispel any thought it was related to the Il-40...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x449/scan0647_2a0d4319b640116368f064029142cff556f96205.jpg

We have Open House.

[Self loading bear]

Apologies not waiting for the confirmation from Noyade.
(I thought Beamr did the challenge)
but my question about the other cockpit still stands.

[sycamore]

Venom NF,...? raised canopy bulge on pilot`s side

[kenparry]

Lots of metal there - the Venom was mostly wood

[dixi188]

The Vampire was mostly wood but I think the Venom was metal.
I'll go for a Sea Venom.

[Self loading bear]

The Vampire was mostly Woody but I think the Venom was metal.
I'll go for a Sea Venom.

Dixi has it with a Sea Venom.
at first I thought a Vampire two seater to be most likely.
But those have a double bubble.
This morning I thought that Sycamore was correct with the Venom.
But when searching for Sea Venom cockpits I just found this photo on Jetphotos:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x699/1d074deb_be90_47de_84e7_c53c7bc979c4_378756de00ea5bfe1235d99 a4e66f75fd0a19c82.jpeg

Aircraft:De Havilland DH-112 Sea Venom FAW.53 (https://www.jetphotos.com/aircraft/De+Havilland+DH-112+Sea+Venom+FAW.53)
Reg: XG691 (https://www.jetphotos.com/registration/XG691)
Airline: United Kingdom - Royal Air Force (RAF) (https://www.jetphotos.com/airline/United+Kingdom+-+Royal+Air+Force+%28RAF%29)

Notes:You can see the whole plane under restoration On the left side the wooden cockpit section, the radar cone, the two tails, the wings and on the very right side the Ghost engine

[dixi188]

Sorry nothing ready at the moment so Open House.

[Noyade]

Apologies

Not a problem sir! :ok:

Continuing the trend of aged exteriors...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x524/cockpit_3_b188757734ebf206cfafd2efb008ad4151877fd0.jpg

[Noyade]

French.......