What Cockpit?

[sycamore]

Sorry ,have to be Open House.....

[Self loading bear]

Time for some enlightenment:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/984x685/97ee3215_793a_480f_96e7_125c3b185d17_dd322db9f4151f0f31196e9 b22e9a4e03162b0ab.jpeg

[India Four Two]

I can’t remember the aircraft but I know it’s a glider.

[UV]

Castel C25S glider. French made.
Two were used in the comedy film La Grande Vadrouille.
Actually had a go in one at Issoire!

Sorry, OH if correct.

[Self loading bear]

Castel C25S glider. French made.
Two were used in the comedy film La Grande Vadrouille.
Actually had a go in one at Issoire!

Sorry, OH if correct.

UV has it.
I found the cockpit shot when I looked for more pictures of Mende Brenoux.
The glider shots were done there

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1920x834/32294f15_2c2d_4490_a365_602f14f584f7_939139dfac98a6c72fc17d7 1884b144b65e794e3.png
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/446x803/b5966c88_f172_4e77_aedd_cf47056c5c27_6fff5843fb1a590a5a9835b 6d7507f62cb59d42b.jpeg

OH called

[India Four Two]

Try this:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1304x955/wc_220817_bf5e8617339f9b0b0fff87c94b91de05c768bf06.png

[Noyade]

Glider?

[India Four Two]

Yes, a glider.

[India Four Two]

Unusual glider, only one built, for research purposes.

[Noyade]

Did Steve Austin of $6 million dollar man fame fly one - a lifting body of sorts?

[India Four Two]

You're on the right track, but I can't offer a prize of that magnitude! :)

[Self loading bear]

Armstrong-Withworth AW-52G

[meleagertoo]

Seen here with the late great Col Yeager.
M2F1 Lifting Body research vehicle -the earliest prdecessor of the Space Shuttle.
Made of plywood on an ally frame by (including) a craftsman who'd worked on the Spruce Goose, landing gear fron a Cessna 150 - and all for the princely sum of $30,000.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/536x430/screenshot_2022_08_20_at_22_21_11_e53192317f34dcd35326a2749b 38007eaccaf522.png

[India Four Two]

Well done, meleagertoo, it’s the M2F1. I suspect Noyade knew the answer, but he was pipped at the post!

A "homebuilt" proof of concept glider for all of NASA’s lifting bodies.

Here it is on tow:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1800x2000/m2_f1_in_tow_gpn_2000_000097_9d484519a9713baabb42f971242ed4d 8a859ae5f.jpg

I have trouble imagining flying a glider where you have to look at the towplane or runway through a window in the nose!

Looking at the probe on the nose, I wonder if they would have been better off with a glider yaw-string, rather than the almost obscured yaw-vane.



More information on Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_M2-F1

and this great video:

LIFTING BODIES - The Critical Link from X-15 to Space Shuttle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcRbHrKGnvc

meleagertoo has control


PS I don't think that is Chuck Yeager in the picture. Possibly Milt Thompson?

[meleagertoo]

I42, great links there, what a fascinating story, and youre right - that isn't Yeager.

Here's the next one - doubtless Noyade will recognise it instantly.


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[BSD]

Hate to see this wonderful thread languishing idle, even though I haven't got one to post, I'll give it a shot.

How about a C-17? Perhaps a prototype/early version?

Not sure about the throttles (or should that be thrust levers?) on the left. Don't think a C-17 has that feature.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/645x477/screenshot_2022_08_22_at_10_48_52_8df3c5c8a0e6c153e9a714b100 70b5a2df685019.png[/QUOTE]

[Shackman]

Looks more like something to do with a space programme - the 'Buran' perhaps.

[Asturias56]

very clean - looks like model or mockup

[meleagertoo]

Shackman has it.
You have control.

[Shackman]

Unfortunately the only cockpit pictures I have at the moment are more than a little obvious - so Open House

[TCU]

May I fill the OH gap with this:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x1334/a102e6a9_55c4_49fd_844e_e1fb8884c0ae_1_102_o_30abc305a7dab40 24d7865448a0f4684a5532d50.jpeg

[BSD]

Great challenge, I reckon I know what it is and even better, where TCU took the photo.

I haven't got a challenge to mount should I have it right so I'll leave this to someone who can post something to keep the thread going.

BSD.

[TCU]

Very generous comment BSD

I'll offer another photo clue, which should narrow the scope, as well as including one very subtle nudge as to the location of this craft, as alluded by BSD

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x1136/fcd97ae1_cc8c_4082_8bc3_770ad8e991cd_8ec10279da0716942379f48 b511f4c8613bec3ff.png


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/351x458/8d602810_0825_4f0d_b3ac_32c6a40ad114_4_5005_c_45c2572035c0c4 1d7d87fb084d8a58ad3d137f80.jpeg

[Self loading bear]

Great challenge, I reckon I know what it is and even better, where TCU took the photo.

I haven't got a challenge to mount should I have it right so I'll leave this to someone who can post something to keep the thread going.

BSD.

Yes, found it. I think the front tires need some air

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/393x513/7577cca4_4903_4cf2_beb3_53d036b1e29c_34ca30fbf4d3b62e354c973 638e93d28270ce7fc.jpeg

[Noyade]

Thanks for the flat tyre!
We're in South Africa?


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x147/scan1115_40aba9d05243741c4bbc40505783bdebc338a65e.jpg

[TCU]

Noyade. Most definitely South Africa.....and your picture is spot on!

Do the rules confirm that as a hit?

[BSD]

Yay! That's the one I had in mind.

Brilliant museum by the way (SAAF Ysterplaat), though not the easiest to visit. I'd gone on a day when I hoped they were going to run the Shackleton but alas, it didn't happen. I wonder if they still do?

[TCU]

I'll applaud all three of you for your diligent hunting!

Indeed it was SAAF SA-321L Super Frelon "314", with her airliner size cockpit, now spending her retirement at AFB Ysterplaat, Cape Town....the radio BTW was tuned to 124.80, Cape Town Special Rules East

The museum still holds regular public weekend open days and indeed I was there just a couple of Saturdays ago, with the super volunteers indulging us with their intimate knowledge of the many machines, their on-going restoration targets and allowing is to crawl all over them......sitting in Shackleton "722" amidships was a highlight. There is a promise of a Shackleton engine start up on 24th Sept, and if it happens, I shall record and relay

I can confirm the front tyre is now properly pumped up!


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https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1136x640/51ed13ff_cf57_4393_a683_a56c9b77d734_b454e78e3cc085cef2e133d 166278ae9d7a78a8d.png

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[Noyade]

Credit and control must go to the Bear. :ok:
The flat tyres.
The foreground Westland Wasp.
Mr Google.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Noyade, and TCU, nice challenge!
the pedals showed me it was not a Sikorsky
3 engines brought me to the Super Frelon
the English dials put me in the direction of South Africa. Then it was simples.

Now back to basics:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/705x1065/2ddf0176_94f2_412c_9532_883af1a76b16_c906a6f6248bb26e9ec978a f97c011bf90f4b2fe.jpeg

[Noyade]

Another chopper?

[Self loading bear]

Yes a wood chopper

[meleagertoo]

Piaseki PV2?

[Self loading bear]

Thanks for pointing that one out. I never heard of it yet. Door arrangement and cockpit shape is different. So no not a Piasecki.

[meleagertoo]

It's a Landgraf H2
Never heard of it, though the search brought up several types new to me


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/429x219/screenshot_2022_09_03_at_14_09_11_90d27e383350eb161bebd84746 50b93f7020da19.png
(From Wiki) Fred Landgraf formed the Landgraf Helicopter Company in September 1943 to develop and manufacture the H-2. It had an enclosed structure for one pilot and an 85 hp (63 kW) radial engine driving two rotors, each rotor fitted to a short boom on each side of the fuselage. It had a fixed tricycle landing gear. The H-2 first flew on 2 November 1944 and the company was awarded a development contract by the United States Army. It was not developed or bought and the company ceased operations by the end of the 1940s.

Unlike conventional helicopters, the H-2 used a tension-rod drive system to drive the side-by-side rotors.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landgraf_H-2#cite_note-Flight141048-1) Control of blade pitch was also unconventional, with the blade shells rotating freely about the spars, controlled by ailerons near the tips

[Self loading bear]

Landgraf H-2,
That is the one!
Mel to battle station.

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/701x453/screenshot_2022_09_05_at_12_40_10_7d057873be8e09a87d7dcc3cee 7f472f64dbd4ed.png

[Noyade]

Windscreen seems almost vertical. Slow moving?
Airship?
https://www.airships.net/dirigible/

Saw these controls on an Airliner.net photo of a Goodyear airship. They look very similar to the above...



https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x406/knobs_f8ae04a465b6cc9af1bfb377f67582c909dd582d.png

[UV]

“Saw these controls on an Airliner.net photo of a Goodyear airship”.

Haha, too many knobs and not enough knots?!

[meleagertoo]

Oh dear! I thought that one might last a while but I should have known.

Noyade has it. An earlier generation of Goodyear blimp.

[Noyade]

Cheers!
Open House.

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/369x348/screenshot_2022_09_08_at_02_09_11_f9b1abd17f1ad3e1e58dbbd718 857ae0a7cc7473.png

[meleagertoo]

A prototype but one that saw significant service.

[sycamore]

Avro Anson...?

[meleagertoo]

Sorry, a one-off prototype that saw significant service.

[oldpax]

Looks a bit like a Beaufighter but perhaps too large so maybe a Brigand?

[meleagertoo]

I say again. A one-off. There only ever was one of these.
And you're all way out on the timeline.

[Asturias56]

"And you're all way out on the timeline."

Post 1960 first flight?

[meleagertoo]

Only just. 1961

[sycamore]

SR-N1 Hovercraft...?

[meleagertoo]

Sycamore, SRN1 was a single-seater, wasn't it?

[sycamore]

mel,pictures I have seen show at least 2 seats,and a crew of 3 were onboard when it copied Bleriots flight..,so your pic may be of something else...?

[Self loading bear]

Come on Sycamore, you have got to up the stakes a bit.

[meleagertoo]

Sycamore, you're asbolutely right about the SRN1 cockpit having two pilots seats, but it isn't the answer.

I deduce that SLB has it by "upping" the stakes...

Here's SRN1 looking vety 'experimental'.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/502x374/screenshot_2022_09_14_at_16_06_10_3017c860484898379dcf305b6e e33647381ce022.png

[meleagertoo]

If SLB is going to hang back perhaps Sycamore will look at this again...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/793x476/screenshot_2022_09_18_at_15_22_26_cac87fb7587d78e52cdbb31f35 748db402c073ef.png

[Self loading bear]

I will hover around a bit more. Sycamore did the hard work so he may take it.

[Asturias56]

so what is it?

[dixi188]

SRN2? Off the back of others ideas.

[meleagertoo]

dixi has it - the SRN2.
I thought the wipers on the side screens would give its nature away instantly, and there aren't many to choose from!
So close sycamore, just rather too many engines!

[dixi188]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/433x605/scan_18_09_2022_1_3e0dffcd273b78ab489ac32c4f9f5787950d71c1.j pg
Thanks for the help with the SRN2.
This picture is from a book I was given when I was about 6 or 7 and made me want to be a Flight Engineer. I made it when I was 37 and had 20 years in the middle seat.

[Noyade]

From a different book.
Some similarities.
Constellation?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/587x468/20220920_065331_b473f0df3766ad93e2c137f6e0fbf49eb8ded2c6.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Was the mirror the give away or was that normal those days

[oldpax]

Operating crew of a Constellation!
Open house if I was first!

[dixi188]

Noyade has it.
Not sure which model Constellation though.
Did aircrew always wear their hats in the cockpit in those days. Mine used to come off as soon as I was through the door.

[Noyade]

Thanks dixi. (What's the title of your book?)



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[Asturias56]

Looks like we might be in a museum. Aircraft to the left has "RAF" style roundels - so maybe RAF, RAAF or RNZAF................

[dixi188]

Noyade,
The book is "The Wonder Book of Aircraft" New Edition, published by Ward, Lock & Co. There is no date but I think is is early 1950s as there is a chapter titled "50 Years of Flying". The latest aircraft photo is of Viscount G-AMAV which first flew in 1950, and the Comet prototype from 1949.

[Noyade]

Noyade,
The book is "The Wonder Book of Aircraft" New Edition, published by Ward, Lock & Co. There is no date but I think is is early 1950s as there is a chapter titled "50 Years of Flying". The latest aircraft photo is of Viscount G-AMAV which first flew in 1950, and the Comet prototype from 1949.

Nice. Thanks Dixi. :ok:
My similar looking 'Constellation Cockpit/Crew' shot is from this 1950 publication. I like old books. Cheers.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x566/scan1127_20ade96654c46598ccce8cf34d6c1e6608d85486.jpg



Looks like we might be in a museum. Aircraft to the left has "RAF" style roundels - so maybe RAF, RAAF or RNZAF................

Yes, it's in a museum with a Winjeel seen at top left.
A Facebook page says Sir Charles Kingsford Smith flew one of these machines - the challenge photo that is, not the Winjeel. :)

[Asturias56]

Doesn't look like Point Cook Museum

[Noyade]

I believe a few of these machines are in museums around the country.
This one is at HARS.

https://hars.org.au/

Although I never saw it when there in 2020.

[Noyade]

External shot...


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x437/scan1128_739ea121c952e2bdd667f239aa7e1b053926cff3.jpg

[MReyn24050]

That undercarriage reminds me of something special.

[Noyade]

Looking similar to a Heath Parasol one source describes it as "Australia's most successful pre-war home-built aircraft". Designed and built by two Sydney brothers and first flown in 1931.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x497/scan1129_dd6e4d39920d2f594c3d79bf087da83fe2681bd1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Were the brothers, the Clancy brothers?

[Noyade]

Were the brothers, the Clancy brothers?


Mel, that's good enough for me. Your control if you wish. :ok:
The Clancy Skybaby...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/768x935/150162809_1832306483594809_8333295807521043428_n_495b2b0ec42 fe8a356065eb22c22831710195063.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that Graham. Do I have to wait 24 hours before posting the next? At first I thought your challenge was the Savage SAS Monoplane ZK-ALV but I believe only one was built.

[Asturias56]

No - its 24 hours between you posting the correct answer and the OP saying you are correct - once they do that you can post immediately

[MReyn24050]

OK thanks hirer is the next one:-
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x726/cockpit_1_7f999e3aff6bfdb14f2b4e8b7a8dd4fae046c1f2.jpg

[Asturias56]

Surely that head rest wasn't so you could spy through that small hole in the dash?:eek:

[Noyade]

A very rare machine? (I hope not :ouch:)

German?

[MReyn24050]

A very rare machine? (I hope not :ouch:)

German?
German origin Add a bit of Spanish to that.

[Noyade]

German origin Add a bit of Spanish to that.

Hi Mel.
CASA 1.131 Jungmann?
Noticed similar looking horseshoe padding in the front seat?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/305x252/casa_1d242584482ef5387c72f3683b20d730655638a2.png

[MReyn24050]

Hi Mel.
CASA 1.131 Jungmann?
Noticed similar looking horseshoe padding in the front seat?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/305x252/casa_1d242584482ef5387c72f3683b20d730655638a2.png

You have it Graham it is indeed the CASA 1.131E

[bafanguy]

So, what's the purpose of that brown, horseshoe-shaped padded thing with the hole under it ?

[MReyn24050]

So, what's the purpose of that brown, horseshoe-shaped padded thing with the hole under it ?
Unfortunately like you I have no idea. The source of the image states:- "The CASA 1.131E is the Spanish license-built Bücker Bü 131D. The E3B-555 (factory number 2153) is located in a German Museum"

[bafanguy]

Did the airplane drop any kind of bomb ? That padded thing looks like a place to rest one's head while looking though the hole. But, why would one look through that hole ? :confused:

[sycamore]

Actually,as `Jonny Foreigners` are known to have bigger `schnonks/schnozzles`,,the hole is so that with the instructors head on the `padding`,particularly when the student pilot ,in the back seat is attempting to land,he can be praying or `kissing his a** goodbye`,without significant damage to his facial expression,in an open casket......

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel. Whatever the purpose of the padding - it certainly helped with identification. Cheers.

OPEN HOUSE.

[Asturias56]

the hole has to be to look at the back of the engine - God knows why but perhaps there was a gauge or level on the back of the engine that needed checking every so often?

[Noyade]

This aircraft was mentioned in 'Search this Thread' - but not illustrated.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/530x664/scan1138_b13ae7ab76a0fd51d56324d596c41d703eb78bf8.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Is it a Soviet aircraft? Although the Artificial Horizon looks to be a RAF Sperry MK1 6A-599 Artificial Horizon

[Asturias56]

Doubt it

the Gauge at the bottom right has the the words Carb Air temp. above it and second row right is marked Artificial Horizon

There's a badge at the bottom centre of the panel but is just too fuzzy to see properly

the two substantial items on the "shoulders" of the panel interest me - I suspect we're in the back seat of a trainer and those are the front seat belt points

[MReyn24050]

Doubt it

the Gauge at the bottom right has the the words Carb Air temp. above it and second row right is marked Artificial Horizon

There's a badge at the bottom centre of the panel but is just too fuzzy to see properly

the two substantial items on the "shoulders" of the panel interest me - I suspect we're in the back seat of a trainer and those are the front seat belt points
I know where you are coming from and agree with the Carb Air Temp. The Compass looks like a RAF Compass P12.

[meleagertoo]

I thought Soviet at first, the seperate panels are Mig 15 style. Then maybe E bloc export model but it's just too British for that.
Trainer looks right, not sophisticated enough for an operational type.
radial engined I suspect due CHT gauge & low RPM
Supercharged
pretty fast
late '30s. It's a Harvard contemporary.
The seperate panels and neat fitted instrument surround are most un-British yet everything else seems to be.
What on earth is the instrument top right reading 0 - 20 in 4 unit steps? Surely that's not an altimeter, though its where the altimeter ought to be, not in the unoccupied hole, which is too far from the scan.

[Noyade]

Not Soviet.


the two substantial items on the "shoulders" of the panel interest me - I suspect we're in the back seat of a trainer and those are the front seat belt points

We're in the front seat.
They're mounts for machine guns.


It's a Harvard contemporary.


It certainly is. Radial engine.

[Asturias56]

CAC Wirraway?

[MReyn24050]

CAC Wirraway? The logo you mentioned above is I believe the CAC logo.

[Asturias56]

I shall sit and play my bagpipes until 24 hours have passed

[Noyade]

I shall sit and play my bagpipes until 24 hours have passed

Whilst you sit and play, I will confirm the Wirraway. All yours when you run outta wind. :ok:
Recently seen at Temora...


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x667/temora_2126a34da52c316515438272cdccfaf0446e55c9.jpg

[Asturias56]

I think 24 hours have passed so thankyou!

Quite WHY the Wirraway popped into my mind I can't tell you . Too much reading WW2 aviation I suspect.

Anyway - try this

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/226x214/2022_10_06_081143_918180350344b30028bea09534c4845891906870.j pg

[meleagertoo]

Except the aeroplane above wasn't a mythological creature.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/524x291/screenshot_2022_10_07_at_16_11_36_d3ad31507b09a4ab6c57b2bf5e 249d3a764d9dd7.png

[Asturias56]

a bit bigger than those two for sure

[sycamore]

Better file that for later.....

[India Four Two]

I've seen that weird stick before, but I can't remember which aircraft! :ugh:

[Asturias56]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/315x315/2022_10_06_081102_bc5bec407bc8b11e44b9064b00002bd190405b7b.j pg
No point in dragging this out - if someone can name it (as they clearly know what it is ) we can get on .......................

[meleagertoo]

It's the Do335 Pfeil, a pushmi pullyu.

I too had seen that grip before and searched for ages before I found it - on both the Convair Delta Dart and Dagger. That set me wondering where on earth they'd got such an unconventional idea and went looking at unconventional stuff. Stroke of luck really.

[India Four Two]

Ah, it was the Delta Dart I was thinking of - close but no cigar. Wrong kind of arrow! :E

I did wonder about the double-ended llama, but I knew the Skymaster had a conventional yoke. :)

[Asturias56]

yes the enormous Dornier Pfeil meleagertoo has the con

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/319x158/fgf_8391f8ff6b9d08186dc3322143e743ddc004c6a2.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/807x584/2022_10_06_080950_e01769c5b58f32a1a439b3c0642aad55055d050d.j pg

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/504x465/screenshot_2022_10_10_at_15_45_47_b48eec40f49e7d402a6f6ad918 bc3d7e1f971601.png

[meleagertoo]

OK. Let's go wider.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/220x343/screenshot_2022_10_14_at_13_54_16_e11dc895f0c9f9800f218a6f87 a7fcf8c5928b96.png

[Asturias56]

jeez - Alamy seem to have built a lot of aircraft - and I've never flown on one!

lets guess

USA?

[meleagertoo]

USA indeed.

[Asturias56]

rotorcraft?

[meleagertoo]

No, it isn't.

[Self loading bear]

Another general and another canal.

[Asturias56]

Is the canal a reference to Panama , Bear?

[meleagertoo]

The Bear's there!

[Self loading bear]

Is the canal a reference to Panama , Bear?
Not about Panama
Nor about the Discovery channel
It is about a Union General

[meleagertoo]

Lawdy! This thread's turning into a cryptic crossword challenge!

Love it!

More ; the pic is only the first of a series of similar aircraft.

[Self loading bear]

And it’s successor has been played in the Name that flying machine.
or perhaps is descendant a beter word?

[meleagertoo]

A later iteration looked like this.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/170x70/screenshot_2022_10_18_at_00_29_46_a807b7c27dd5f130854c69a4e3 c82668867cf5aa.png

[Noyade]

Another general.

Early Custer.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/724x447/capture_96052b42f668fa96ef74297f50358d1f608e2515.png

[Asturias56]

Ahh - the aeroplane itself turned up the the What Aircraft thread in the last couple of years

[meleagertoo]

Over to Noyade

[Noyade]

The Bear's there!

I just followed the Bear through the forest. Give that furry man the baton. :ok:
If not - Open House.

[Self loading bear]

OK I found some nice future challenges on the way. But this one I found already more than a year ago.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/630x420/45326f75_645e_4af8_b2cc_c285a05e18bf_4faa5a245e4ce4911aa989f 70deb9466e495bf17.jpeg

[Self loading bear]

Not sparking much interest?

[Asturias56]

Most of us are in awe at the plush surroundings Bear flies in TBH

has to be American

[Self loading bear]

I don’t fly very much these days.
Although 1 offshore trip coming up.
Plush not really, more a grand foulard if they know that in America. Perhaps a plaid or corduroy??

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x480/a9753049_77d0_454d_bb97_33f93772bced_933aa0612228c0d478cb5d4 bbc9a3dfb2dc62403.jpeg

[Russell Gulch]

Early Custer.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/724x447/capture_96052b42f668fa96ef74297f50358d1f608e2515.png

Long-time recluse here on What Cockpit, and new to "Name that Flying Machine"
I have a photo that crosses both boundaries, particularly with the Custer CCW-2 being shown above (Russian translation = Strana ? Date?).

Where should I post, my learned friends?

Russ

ps Whatever happened to Dook?

[Asturias56]

I think the challenge is a Fairchild Ranger perhaps?

[Self loading bear]

Not a Fairchild.
Welcome back Russell!
You can share your challenge at the first open house. If it is Related to the Custer you can share here directly. We are not that difficult about thread drift, but please state clearly “Not a challenge”

Dook had too much time on his hands and has been answering almost every challenge. The Mods were of the opinion that all Ppruners in all time zones should be allowed a fair chance so they applied some speedbrake rules.
These were repeatedly not followed by Dook so he got zipped back to zero post count (then the Mods have to approve your posts one by one)
Dook got enough of that and left.

see the permanent wiki post above the Which Aerodrome thread for the rules applied.

[meleagertoo]

Inline engine? - Menasco?

[Asturias56]

Piper?

[Self loading bear]

Lycoming or continental 4 horizontally opposed.
No piper, Not a Menasco
Almost out of pictures now:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1800x1188/cf0b98c6_0a4e_4489_9903_1bfac9be87a1_9a952b263bc2925ff18418b 87fdd467d8bfa9147.jpeg

[Noyade]

Almost out of pictures now:


So, you're in a Funk?

[Noyade]

?

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x522/scan1152_389d1641145b86e756d9357fc5e88498579142e8.jpg

[meleagertoo]

Bejasus!

A "Funk"? No kidding? Backshop chicken-tech?

What chance do we mere mortals have? he he!

I'll have to dig out pics of the glove box of the legendary Phutney-Creech Air-yacht...

...joking...I wonder how long this thread, or the What Aeroplane thread can last as we seem to have done virtually every blimmen flying thing that ever existed?

As entertainment value these threads are without doubt the best.

[Asturias56]

"ps Whatever happened to Dook?" As Bear said - he seemed to get worse and worse - answering all challenges often within minutes of them being posted - obsessional - whereas of course this is just a passing interest to the rest of us ;). He had fair warning - then a yellow card - but he just ploughed on regardless. :ugh:

Pit y really as he came up with some good challenges

[Asturias56]

The Funk? And they built over 300??? My god......... and in Coffeyville Kansas - now that IS a quiet spot. The Bank still has the bullet marks of the last great shoot-out of the old West -when the Dalton Gang raided the town in 1892 - it ended very very badly for them....... see The Cimarron Kid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cimarron_Kid) (1952)

[Self loading bear]

Yes gentlemen it is the Funk B
It was not me in a funk. I thought you did not have so much sparkling imagination?
Not so very obsolete. Several in museums some still flying.

Noyade has the wheel.

[Noyade]

Thanks Bear.

Noyade has the wheel.

Please give the controls to Russell Gulch (above) who has something to share with us. I look forward to seeing it. :ok:

[Russell Gulch]

Thanks, Noyade for your forebearance and tolerance. Give me a few moments. It may be a cockpit first.

Russ

[Russell Gulch]

A cockpit, first.
This may appear more interesting in the "Name that Flying Machine" thread, but I'll give it a go from this point. Only one ever built.
Russ


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x600/wc1_8c37561460eaac2c06bea93887d1c93725a30e85.jpg

[cavuman1]

The Roper Lariat 100?

Hat, Coat, Limo

- Ed ;)

[Self loading bear]

I think the rigging needs improvement

[Self loading bear]

Nice challenge, the picture is a bit misleading though…

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/505x504/6c62d44e_44dd_4b0c_baf4_abd9e043bc7c_0f34609898e409070e2f217 c7b4620b47d2b4d0f.jpeg

[Russell Gulch]

Nice challenge, the picture is a bit misleading though…



Not meant to be by any means. Aclue:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x1059/p1140624_2_5c4786196ec62fbd3e5deae6be7e1b056e611c1c.jpg

[Noyade]

Custer continues to fight on?

[Russell Gulch]

Custer continues to fight on?
He does (or did!)

[Asturias56]

In the Custer CCW-5?

[Russell Gulch]

Well done, it is indeed. I think Noyade knew it all along. Apparently when power was applied even with brakes on the aircraft would raise itself slightly showing that quite some lift generated by venturi effect?

Now based at Mid Atlantic Air museum Spaatz Field, in Reading PA.

Asturias56 has control.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x300/p1140623_a726c4ad9fcfe8a842ffd496ebcbe65a1c2b4725.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x188/p1140625_5882ef7a013d471e61f54bb284b56fe0156a37df.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x450/p1140627_465fcb761b442f77c46e941236e934d2869297ad.jpg

[Asturias56]

Thanks Bear - haven't anything to hand so

OPEN HOUSE

[meleagertoo]

You want a picture of a whole cockpit, well, you've got one!
Still, Noyade and Asturias will have it in an instant I have no doubt...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/143x135/screenshot_2022_10_25_at_00_41_13_939ef714c341514e8f746b4598 fad620317f56e8.png

[Asturias56]

Pre WW1?

[meleagertoo]

1909 I believe.

[Asturias56]

Looks a bit basic for 1909 - its amazing how fast things developed post first flight

European?

[meleagertoo]

European too. I think it was an attempt to go super-light and minimalist. Suffice to say I don't think it ever actually flew.

[Russell Gulch]

Thanks Bear - haven't anything to hand so

OPEN HOUSE
My pleasure [wink :)]

[Self loading bear]

My pleasure [wink :)]

Not a problem, your pleasure!
[wink, wink]

[Asturias56]

French perhaps?

[meleagertoo]

Where else could such an abomination be made?

[Asturias56]

TI'm struggling - easy to research flying designs - non- flying is tougher

[meleagertoo]

I have found a link that listed it under 'aircraft that flew in 1909' bit there is next to nothing by way of info on this machine on the internet bar size, weight, engine.

[Asturias56]

The undercarriage looks pretty unique but I'm still stuck

[meleagertoo]

OK, perhaps that was a step too far as I can't tell if it ever flew.

To keep things moving I'll declare open house.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1090x424/screenshot_2022_10_24_at_14_51_33_908a83f98bf9e6d56f9f81eb1b f01ec58d116c11.png

[Asturias56]

looking at the surface of the ground I'm not surprised it never went anywhere!!

Perhaps you can post another challenge?

[meleagertoo]

I have nothing to hand.
Open house.

[Russell Gulch]

If I may: Not so much What Cockpit but more which cockpit?
Russ
(please ignore the spagetti on the coaming, that was my lunch)


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x600/wc2_mark_1_63e06326b1ef074141638b7c51c61e7392867eb8.jpg

[meleagertoo]

If I won the lottery - I'd take one of those to Mr Basler and say "please..."

[Russell Gulch]

I've been to Basler several times I don't think they do conversions for this type although Ive been tempted by the C337 conversion!

Ive also a sneaking feeling that meleagertoo (Mel?) is already ahead of me but for decorums sake I have a clue:
The old prop blades are stored in these boxes formerly belonging to......


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x600/p1140250_5b033cf2fc5834fb1554a46451e0062bb68c5760.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x600/p1140249_9c85094040f3f8487294b858bb34d593a21fb0d3.jpg
Russ

Edit: This Basler 337:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x480/img_0542_fb6d65ce8e0275970989d8d1737a443549c55d8b.jpg

[Noyade]

(please ignore the spagetti)

Seaweed? They recovered Cousteau's Cat?

Cat from down under...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x426/big_cat_aca0d92b2bde1b0eadf019fd8099f868c634fa8c.jpg

[Russell Gulch]

Well it's for sure a Cat, so I guess Noyade takes the helm.

I was rather hoping that someone would identify the Cat a bit more specificly


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x600/p1140247_6596ce6fa7eba5d96e07128cd417e2a6081fb06f.jpg

[Noyade]

Maybe?
"The ex-‘Connie’ Edwards Consolidated PBY-6A, N4NC."

[Russell Gulch]

Maybe?
"The ex-‘Connie’ Edwards Consolidated PBY-6A, N4NC."
'Tis that one indeed, now at Liberty Aviation Museum Port Clinton, Ohio. Your helm.
Russ

[Noyade]

Thanks Russ.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x475/bbc_df7bbdb71fa51b876b5ecb4ffa8ab14220949df7.png

[Self loading bear]

Brantly B2??

[Noyade]

Not from Brantly.
Not from the US.
European.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x493/cockpit_5a648698f2b610336a532d4ba48639c981d87576.png

[TCU]

A bit of "vorsprung durch technik" in this ship Noyade?

[Noyade]

Yes it is. German engineering designed to defeat roadside traffic jams. :)

[meleagertoo]

https://youtu.be/hD5oN0G5h1I

[Noyade]

:ok:
Over to you Mel.

[Asturias56]

1970: The FLYING CAR is here! | Tomorrow's World | Retro Transport | BBC Archive
I think I remember this........

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/108x95/platt_le_plage_c0add95ba6c68eb3b795f3c840ca3edde6f6a2d3.png

[Noyade]

Heading off for routine surgery in a few hours - but couldn't resist a peek at the ID threads.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x459/20221109_093700_1__8d4f5284bdc6121714d6a750c249f95964857be9. jpg

[meleagertoo]

Noyade has it in record time.
Hope the op goes well - all the best.
It remains to be seen if Noyade is able to issue a challenge or whether it is thrown open.
let's see.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel. :ok:
Open House please.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/604x806/20221110_085541_9857393a8d4905610f4113bba8018f62ea2085b6.jpg

[sycamore]

Noyade,don`t shout `OH` too loud,otherwise you`ll be inundated with visitors....

Get well soon....

[Russell Gulch]

Youre not "Hairyplane" are you? <G>
Get well soon
Russell

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/825x412/colomban_luciole_7232203a7d0e7d38530323d9faab7444f2dab5a4.pn g

[Asturias56]

Glider??

[meleagertoo]

No sir!

[sycamore]

Maybe an RF-5...?

[meleagertoo]

Maybe not an RF5...

[Asturias56]

Is that a speaking tube down to the servants quarters front right?

[meleagertoo]

This isn't a stately homebuilt!
That's just not cricket.

[Asturias56]

The de Havilland "Downton Abbey" :p

[India Four Two]

American?

[meleagertoo]

Not American.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/175x113/screenshot_2022_11_18_at_10_18_48_6aa5876e2855ca15539badb7ed 1ca02786b58576.png

[Asturias56]

A cri-Cri?

[meleagertoo]

Close but no banana.

[Self loading bear]

Ghee-never knew Luciele had an aircraft

[meleagertoo]

You picked a fine time to tell me that, Bear.

[Noyade]

Ghee-never knew Luciele had an aircraft


Attempting to follow the clues above - Michel Colomban's Luciole? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Colomban)
If correct - control should go to you, Bear. :D

[Self loading bear]

Attempting to follow the clues above - Michel Colomban's Luciole? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Colomban)
If correct - control should go to you, Bear. :D

G-LUCL
Was the cockpit on the second photo.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x209/a89edea5_09ab_4263_88c5_da8287006ad7_787852e17e5c72cacea201b 534620752584d1390.jpeg

[meleagertoo]

Startling performance from a 24Hp Briggs and Stratton! 90mph cruise, range over 300 miles, airframe weighs just 100Kg dry, 300Kg MAUW.

Bear has control.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Mel (and Noyade),

This aircraft is not known for its cockpit.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/278x181/2bf76986_4034_444f_a117_aab3b5c966c9_8435d7ca0904fe858b48733 dadb3d413ce1b1d1b.jpeg

[Asturias56]

that looks Russian blue to me

[Self loading bear]

that looks Russian blue to me

To me it is Russian green.

[meleagertoo]

Agreed that's Russian or Soviet bloc.
It's a big heavy single piston I think, An2 era.

[Self loading bear]

Agreed that's Russian or Soviet bloc.
It's a big heavy single piston I think, An2 era.

Soviet block indeed
single piston yes
But not a heavy one
And certainly later then An2
2 built 1 flew

[UV]

That tidy cockpit would run rings around an AN2

[meleagertoo]

I'm out of ideas.

[Asturias56]

I think its the Narushevich OW-1 - a truly weird design

I finished up from "Russian Experimental aircraft" to "cool weird planes" on Google and looked at some seriously odd aircraft on the way............

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1415x892/2022_11_22_095358_b137a20007556b7512581ef98c2577530b3261b4.j pg


OH if correct

[Self loading bear]

I think its the Narushevich OW-1 - a truly weird design

OH if correct

Indeed the Narushevich OW-1 from Belarus.

It seems this orange one did never fly.
There is a YouTube film with the other one taking off.
Not very convincing.

OH called
May I call UV to come up with something?
You clearly knew.

[UV]

Sorry nothing to offer at the moment, so OH please.

[India Four Two]

When I saw the cockpit picture, I immediately imagined this exchange:

Test pilot: “The ailerons are too heavy.”
Designer: “No problem. We’ll make the yoke wider. “

After seeing that monstrosity, I wonder if I was close to the truth! 😂

[meleagertoo]

When I saw the cockpit picture, I immediately imagined this exchange:

Test pilot: “The ailerons are too heavy.”
Designer: “No problem. We’ll make the yoke wider. “

After seeing that monstrosity, I wonder if I was close to the truth! 😂
Hence my remark about it being a 'heavy'.

And what a ghastly looking yoke arrangement with all those cables, pulleys, linkages and such. How clumsy can it get?

Eeeuwww! I feel for the test pilots of that monstrosity.

[meleagertoo]

This one won no prizes fpr looks either.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/628x474/screenshot_2022_11_28_at_15_17_33_96121d7179902bec5fa70b8a9e c3b8c79177d683.png

[Asturias56]

Yuropean?

[meleagertoo]

Indeed.

[Asturias56]

Blowing up the picture it looks like it's maybe a twin jet of some sort (tho only a basic set of dials)

the total lack of design ergonomics suggests pre-1955?

[meleagertoo]

Both correct.
Only two built.
Unusual configuration.

[Asturias56]

Ahhh - now THAT helps!

SNCASE Grognard - quite unusual!!

[meleagertoo]

You never cease to astound me!
How the digamma did you ever get that?
Correct of course, the French - configuration at least - comparison to the Lightining, but as ever if it was said if it looks right....this one wasn't a contender.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/533x331/screenshot_2022_11_30_at_23_12_44_73f7749cf076b25b70c2fc7c73 e62f30469ff2be.png
Talk about the Hunchback but please not on my patch!

And whatever was it about with those enormous wheels?

[Asturias56]

It was European and I was pretty sure it wasn't British - it didn't look Russian or E European. Which left France, maybe Italy or Sweden as the Spanish couldn't source anything like that from the UK or USA until the '60's

It was a twin jet (which was unusual pre 1955) and it was "Unconventional" - so Sweden or France. They built 2 (that was a major help!). Lots of scouring of old books and the internet but once I saw the picture it was easy to find a picture of the cockpit - and that awful handwheel on the port side of the cockpit = BINGO!

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft_id=1498 is a good source for the program

bit of a dog but tested a lot of future technology

OH I'm afraid!

[meleagertoo]

"The cockpit did away with a traditional control column and flightstick, "elbow controling" being used to free up forward vision."

I wish they'd elaborate on that - I can't find any info on it at all. Sounds fascinating.

[Asturias56]

maybe those two funnelly looking devices like speaking tubes to the left of THE WHEEL - looks like you could press your elbow into one or the other

[sycamore]

Think it is a sidestick and armrest inboard of the wheel,and possibly another on right side..

[Noyade]

More armrests...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/888x513/smaller_8a6b2666037d9dcfcfd8dba29b5caa8478aaa08f.jpg

[Self loading bear]

I think it is this one.
But cockpit side doesn’t match

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1014x715/673ca020_09e0_4a32_9704_f45a0ff91a8d_66b35e588876c4a70238189 1d5038234bc013e00.jpeg

[Noyade]

Hi Bear. I believe it is what you think it is - name it and it's all yours. :ok:
My forward shot...


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x599/1669892246108_a445e6c46d5473956701ddf9f09998bc18744df6.png

[Noyade]

Few more clues then.
Wiki says 580 built.
Underpowered and unpopular.

[Asturias56]

Looks like a Blenheim - but not sure what Mark

[staircase]

I would have guessed a Blenheim, but given the comments in 3233 it is a Botha.

Test pilot report - this a/c is very difficult to get into, and it should have been made impossible.

No pictures to post myself so open house.

[Noyade]

Botha it is.
We have Open House.

[India Four Two]

A long way from the Botha in almost all respects:


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1345x1170/wc2022_12_13_clip_d69fdbbb9f2e1eaa80458daedd1d81df35cc2438.j peg

[oncemorealoft]

General Aircraft Hamilcar?

[Self loading bear]

And even I didn’t recognize it
https://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/547101-what-cockpit.html#post11038144

[oncemorealoft]

Open House if I’m correct please.

[India Four Two]

I've just returned from my morning constitutional and I see that 24 hours has passed and I can declare that oncemorealoft is correct - the GA Hamilcar. Impressive ID skills.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x433/hamilcar_and_tetrarch_73f47e290bc76b815fe9ae639ff0422324c57a 78.jpg

It was the world's heaviest glider at 36,000 lb AUW.

Don't worry Slb, I've done the same thing myself. I'm sure you would have got it if I had posted the unclipped image:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1648x1272/wc2022_12_13_759fb04e67a7216afc387d530b6c972a374096fa.jpeg

The flap and spoiler quadrant would have been a giveaway! I am intrigued by the markings on the flap quadrant - lift, neutral and drag. Does anyone have a copy of the Pilot's Notes?

Also the Spoiler handle was a surprise. I have not seen any references to spoilers nor in any pictures, particularly in this cutaway:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1600x1014/gal_49_hamilcar_cutaway_577b5e40e869782172a2eaa8a87737da3b5b 6190.jpg

oncemorealoft has declared Open House.

[meleagertoo]

I don't think this one has featured before
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/242x188/tinside_f4a_3e7d4a3c03f451f632e60e2a23df9abbe636a808.png

[meleagertoo]

Clue.

It was probably warmer inside.

[meleagertoo]

Still no takers? Time for a give-eway.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/103x100/screenshot_2022_12_21_at_16_39_17_9c815df9f67624e20e0015a989 6ac8e3d908abdc.png

[Self loading bear]

Biplane with enclosed passer cabin and open cockpit behind. DH-83 Fox Moth could fit the bill.

[meleagertoo]

Yes it could. But no it isn't.
I've actually all but given you the answer already.

[meleagertoo]

Almost 400 build in various guises.
This versatile design came in a surprising variety of guises.

[chevvron]

Jackaroo??

[meleagertoo]

Uh huh.
Fast fighter with both one end two seats, long range aircraft, two seat civvy tourer, four place 'airliner', floatplane. It was a versatile old bird.
I'll accept several mainly detail variants on the same basic design.
Blatant clues above...

[Asturias56]

British? its hard to see much in that pic................