What Cockpit? [Archive] - Page 11

Beamr

28th Aug 2021, 19:40

It certainly is EA-1E! Even though I tried to find a drawing of a less built version of the Skyraider with smoke and mirrors to make identification more difficult, I knew this wouldn't take long with the knowledge and experience on this forum (maybe even with some present who'd actually flown it). But I had to do it as for if there would be the opportunity to have a ride in one aircraft of choice, the Skyraider would be my choice. Take a big radial from a big bomber, sit on it and go flying low.

Sycamore, all yours.

sycamore

28th Aug 2021, 22:07

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/736x552/spad_bb8811f73c1ab3d05af4772903fd4c704340e0f6.jpg
This is the real deal,A-1H/J.
A good book is `My Secret War` by Richard Drury; A year in Thailand doing the biz,including night dive-bombing over Laos.
Probably the greatest multi-role aircraft,about 25 ,..ever....!

Sorry ,OPEN house...

Beamr

29th Aug 2021, 05:08

Thank you for the book hint, I'll look into it.
OH as declared.

Self loading bear

4th Sep 2021, 17:00

OH too long:
What is this?

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/948x1306/65593b26_6f59_41a5_89c1_7e0bd831fdcf_7150376ce6ab554cb42362e ce4f0e113242bdd0e.jpeg

sycamore

4th Sep 2021, 21:11

German....?....FW 200 Condor...?

Self loading bear

5th Sep 2021, 10:44

German....?....FW 200 Condor...?

No but there is a link.

Noyade

6th Sep 2021, 00:21

No but there is a link.

Many thanks for the Kurt Tank (Pedro Matthies) clue. :ok:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Kurt_Tank_aircraft

Gotta be the Huanquero?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/711x184/scan0681_d27dee6b87feedb0dec19c4d4a0dd958cc5beee2.jpg

Self loading bear

6th Sep 2021, 04:47

Many thanks for the Kurt Tank (Pedro Matthies) clue. :ok:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Kurt_Tank_aircraft

Gotta be the Huanquero?

No problem!
I knew somebody would pick it up
DANFIA /FMA IA 35 Huanquero
You have control.

Noyade

6th Sep 2021, 04:57

Cheers!

This is all I have to go on with...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/735x495/scan0682_db75be778def6b4f5dbbceb85b75a33afb67ddc0.jpg

sycamore

6th Sep 2021, 12:51

Auster AOP 9..?

asw28-866

7th Sep 2021, 00:28

With those ergonomics, has to be British!

oldpax

7th Sep 2021, 00:34

Is this a single pioneer?OH if so!

Noyade

7th Sep 2021, 07:36

Auster AOP 9..?

I'll accept Auster. According to the caption a "Mk VI" - prior to embarkation on the Kista Dan for the 1954 Antarctic Expedition.
Over to you Sycamore. :ok:

sycamore

7th Sep 2021, 08:12

Thanks N, nothing at the moment,so OpenHouse......

Self loading bear

11th Sep 2021, 16:48

Another wooden yoke design:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x225/7f14aec3_b1b8_4a30_a1e9_ea354531716d_d6beb217ad96c46214d3390 a026397e8bbd524ec.jpeg

Self loading bear

12th Sep 2021, 20:48

European design

Beamr

13th Sep 2021, 16:40

The shape of the window rings a bell, but I just cant get a grip of it. Somehow I keep considering french manufacturers.

Self loading bear

13th Sep 2021, 19:18

The shape of the window rings a bell, but I just cant get a grip of it. Somehow I keep considering french manufacturers.

You are on the right track. French designer,
most built in France , some is USA.

Beamr

15th Sep 2021, 06:12

Self loading bear

15th Sep 2021, 17:11

ah, now I got it, its a pusher and was loosely related to a quiz on the Flying Machine thread recently. Hence I saw pics of this beast at that time. Funny how brain cells work, you know you've seen it but really can't figure out where, when and why.

That’s that one!
You want to call it?
It appears there are not many others with ringing bells in their mind.

Beamr

15th Sep 2021, 18:16

Well OH if so, I am wrestling with the Plywood Gazelle and being very annoyed for not getting a slightest idea what it is...

Oh yeah, and this cockpit belongs to Grinvalds Orion.

Self loading bear

15th Sep 2021, 20:14

Well OH if so, I am wrestling with the Plywood Gazelle and being very annoyed for not getting a slightest idea what it is...

Oh yeah, and this cockpit belongs to Grinvalds Orion.

Correct!
The French Grinvalds Orion
First all composite home built kit.
In the USA marketed as Aerodis AA200
OH called

Self loading bear

28th Sep 2021, 19:16

The plywood Gazelle has been solved a week ago.
But we still have a complete blackout on this cockpit dashboard.

I will pitch up a new challenge:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x795/90f8b0a6_136c_4de3_83f9_6d4ba6081fcb_8faf69c42cea419ccc6999a 36188871d0a1fd7b8.jpeg

Beamr

29th Sep 2021, 07:58

So, considering the oxygen regulators: US made Military?

Self loading bear

29th Sep 2021, 17:20

So, considering the oxygen regulators: US made Military?
This one is indeed a military but not US.

asw28-866

29th Sep 2021, 22:25

Distinctive and very futuristic planform methinks.

garyscott

30th Sep 2021, 01:06

The outline of the aircraft can be seen below the warning panel . . . . . . Hansa Jet perchance?

EXDAC

30th Sep 2021, 02:35

The outline of the aircraft can be seen below the warning panel . . . . . . Hansa Jet perchance?

https://www.airplane-pictures.net/image170123.html

Self loading bear

30th Sep 2021, 16:41

The outline of the aircraft can be seen below the warning panel . . . . . . Hansa Jet perchance?

Definitely the HansaJet with its swept forward wing.
Gary on the ball.

garyscott

1st Oct 2021, 19:59

Definitely the HansaJet with its swept forward wing.
Gary on the ball.

:O

I don’t have anything to put up, but if someone else wants to, please do. :ok:

Self loading bear

15th Oct 2021, 19:03

14 days open house
My 3rd challenge in a row:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/768x512/12499a4c_e09e_4326_a7ce_16b0aff79c03_405a77e1565f7cb1d191e06 90a65c37f6db18d81.jpeg

Self loading bear

18th Oct 2021, 08:50

Not yet generating much interest.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/480x370/ea7116ae_82b6_42b0_b4c1_3370375ed609_b19619cddceb67efd06c572 44eb30d2d19ae8784.jpeg

Beamr

18th Oct 2021, 16:28

I'm running out of ideas... any hints by chance?

Self loading bear

18th Oct 2021, 18:05

It is not very nostalgic
It is French

asw28-866

18th Oct 2021, 22:46

Looks like a magical potion blended for assured aviation success, things have certainly moved on from the dot-matrix days!

Beamr

19th Oct 2021, 03:40

I concur with asw, what the world needs in times like these is panacea like this.

Shackman

19th Oct 2021, 10:20

Vans RV-6A?

Self loading bear

19th Oct 2021, 14:45

Looks like a magical potion blended for assured aviation success, things have certainly moved on from the dot-matrix days!

Did you point at Dogmatix?
Anyway for the few Gauls still battling on in a small village:
You sure help them to get-a-fix on the challenge.

Not a Vans

Beamr

20th Oct 2021, 03:12

Ok then, the magical potion, the panacea is Elixir Aircraft Elixir.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1280x853/1280px_paris_air_show_2019_le_bourget_siae1166__a1f4370d23b2 9c172eacbac568d3bbeb60bf1145.jpg

Self loading bear

20th Oct 2021, 04:49

Ok then, the magical potion, the panacea is Elixir Aircraft Elixir.

All yours.
Fun to find out how the names of the Asterix characters have been translated to different languages.

Beamr

20th Oct 2021, 06:29

Cheers!

here's todays puzzle, expecting a short turnaround on this.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/333x309/guesswhat4_32a046522753c2915c18a899393cc3ad69af27c5.jpg

sycamore

20th Oct 2021, 12:50

Could be a CT-133..?

Beamr

20th Oct 2021, 14:25

Could be a CT-133..?

Unfortunately not.

sycamore

20th Oct 2021, 19:40

Is it British...?

Beamr

21st Oct 2021, 02:52

Is it British...?
Yes, it is, British to the core. It brought sunshine with it.

staircase

21st Oct 2021, 08:00

Beamr

21st Oct 2021, 08:50

Just noticed this thread, but 1950's dials, 2 engines and an early bang seat. It is not a Meteor, so a Javelin or a Scimitar, but the 'sunshine' was to much of a clue!

I reckon it is a Scimitar. If correct then open house.

It surely is the Supermarine Scimitar! Capable of delivering the Red Beard can of instant sunshine. With flying colours you rationalized your way through it :ok:

Open house declared.

Edit: I ran into this picture a while back, carrying interesting set of weaponry.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/941x451/cazgl4cweaa_pfw_3eb09d57b351345cf576191e6c13dd9a9c1a4fde.jpg

meleagertoo

13th Nov 2021, 20:10

Thank goodness I've been away on holiday - I now for once, have a proper challenge though given the amazing expertise here I have little hope it will last.
Not exactly mainstream this one - so fire away!

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1027x555/screenshot_2021_11_13_at_21_04_00_a5a82915f820e5e1cbb2b770d4 9e787e82dd453b.png

Beamr

15th Nov 2021, 05:47

Would it be an airship?

asw28-866

15th Nov 2021, 06:43

Obviously sitting in a carriage museum! Is the subject a seaplane?

meleagertoo

15th Nov 2021, 17:50

I'm tickled that it is thought to be "sitting in a carriage museum". It is not, though there is one nearby.

Neither is it an airship. (probably too small to qualify for such a grand moniker)

Self loading bear

15th Nov 2021, 21:09

I'm tickled that it is thought to be "sitting in a carriage museum". It is not, though there is one nearby.

Neither is it an airship. (probably too small to qualify for such a grand moniker)

Where you visiting Portugal?

India Four Two

16th Nov 2021, 02:53

Is it a flying boat?

meleagertoo

17th Nov 2021, 09:03

Not a Portuguese design.
I 42, refer to post 2568.

Self loading bear

17th Nov 2021, 18:20

I am in doubt between the Donnet Leveque flying boats (type a/b/c) and the FBA derivatives.
Cockpit layout seems to be the same for them.
With the horizontal spars just above the fuselage edges.

Or least I could not find different pictures.
Therefore I was trying to prope which museum you visited.
Perhaps you can give a clue in where the differences can be recognized?

meleagertoo

17th Nov 2021, 20:14

Well, that's a very fine bit of sleuthing from SLB, I'd never heard of either Donnet Leveque or FBA before I encountred this beauty. I wouldn't have a scooby about their differences, sorry! I just saw this thing in a museum and thought, "hey, there's a rare one for the challenge". I might have known it wouldn't last long against some of the intellects here!

I imagine it is now merely a formality but I shall leave it to you (unless someone else beats you to it) to make the definitive judgment.

I say again, "it is not a Portuguese design".
There is a coach museum nearby.

That should do it!

Self loading bear

17th Nov 2021, 21:11

Then I single out the FBA B in the Museu de Marinha (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museu_de_Marinha) in Lisbon.
With the National coach museum just a few blocks away.

And by the way, this was not an easy one. Keep them coming like that!

meleagertoo

18th Nov 2021, 12:29

Correct, Lisbon Maritime Museum's Shreck FBA. Well done, there wasn't much to go on!

I wish I had more like that - I didn't expect to get a pic for this thread when I walked into the museum.

asw28, the carriage wheels you spotted are horse-drawn fire pumps or shore-rescue tenders of some sort.

Self loading bear

18th Nov 2021, 17:19

Thanks Mel.

something just a bit newer:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/316x253/c84572d5_4720_4bfa_b0ab_848efe41e21d_fc82edea692879a3e67b1a9 be993b269f73ecfc2.jpeg

Self loading bear

20th Nov 2021, 08:18

I am not sure what to conclude
- nobody partaking
- no interest in small classic jets
- cropping was successful
I can only do something about the last:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/475x406/45efecce_0865_4836_9ace_2aee122756eb_6255b1ea30cb0f93e249355 7b824cffd37e84016.jpeg

sycamore

20th Nov 2021, 12:14

A `Citation ` of one sort or another...?

Self loading bear

20th Nov 2021, 12:29

A `Citation ` of one sort or another...?

another sort of

sycamore

21st Nov 2021, 16:54

An e50 Phenom...?

Self loading bear

21st Nov 2021, 17:07

An e50 Phenom...?

Nope
Another sort of...
size wise you are a bit on the low side.

sycamore

21st Nov 2021, 20:54

SLB,....thank you....but no-one complained..up to now.....!

Self loading bear

21st Nov 2021, 21:07

I am not complaining either!
above and beyond!

ea200

22nd Nov 2021, 08:58

Hawker 400 XP?

Self loading bear

22nd Nov 2021, 16:53

Hawker 400 XP?

It is indeed an upgrade of the Hawker 400 but more recent than the XP.

ea200

22nd Nov 2021, 20:02

So maybe a 400XPR then?

Self loading bear

23rd Nov 2021, 04:50

This cockpit is even more recent than the XPR.

asw28-866

23rd Nov 2021, 05:44

USAF T-1A AMP? (Airforce trainer variant of Hawker 400 with upgraded avionics by Nextant corp.)

Nothing to hand so open house if correct.

Self loading bear

23rd Nov 2021, 10:32

USAF T-1A AMP? (Airforce trainer variant of Hawker 400 with upgraded avionics by Nextant corp.)

Nothing to hand so open house if correct.

That is the one!

EA200 can I give you the first opportunity to fill the open house?

ea200

23rd Nov 2021, 15:29

I have nothing to hand either. Let's continue the OH.

Noyade

25th Nov 2021, 06:21

Sort of a cockpit....

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x570/cage_413c49a3d6189f8fd9eeb302e03b8ec9908dec43.png

Beamr

25th Nov 2021, 09:57

How about Saab 18?

kenparry

25th Nov 2021, 11:43

Fokker Mach Trainer?

dixi188

25th Nov 2021, 16:16

Must be old, it's got Georgian windows.

Noyade

25th Nov 2021, 21:58

Not Swedish or Dutch.

Must be old

Wiki says nearly 80 years.

India Four Two

26th Nov 2021, 05:28

I suspect we are looking from front to rear of the crew nacelle (gondola) of a Blohm and Voss BV 141.

Beamr

26th Nov 2021, 06:02

It is now obvious that my first quess pancaked. I ought to know better, as there was no head or tail in the answer.

Noyade

26th Nov 2021, 09:19

Excellent puns sir! Now give me a name and I'll give ya control. :)

Beamr

26th Nov 2021, 12:53

Thank you very much, but I am forced to declare OH as my cunning plan to match your ingenius angle of attack is still under construction.

And the ac in question is Vought V-173, the Flying pancake. Which btw would fit nicely in the UFO thread on jet blast. The flying saucers do exist!

Open house.

Noyade

27th Nov 2021, 21:34

Just posting to confirm Beamr's kill - twas indeed the Vought V-173. :ok:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x318/answer_e76261c4f5d0bc6dd429ca93f125a98a4de31992.png

We have OPEN HOUSE.

India Four Two

8th Dec 2021, 23:18

Let's keep things going.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1208x1366/screen_shot_2021_12_08_at_5_04_11_pm_f1b5cc6ea13af65c556aa16 49fe2fbbefccb14e7.png

oldpax

9th Dec 2021, 02:04

P-38 lightning?

India Four Two

9th Dec 2021, 03:22

Sawadee krap, oldpax.

Nice try but no. It is a twin, but much bigger than a P-38.

BEagle

9th Dec 2021, 20:11

Convair XB-46 aka 'The Needle'?

India Four Two

9th Dec 2021, 20:50

Beagle has found the needle in the haystack! ;)

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1800x1187/d74edf7d_0b83_4733_b013_4454a4b1f28a_2e9a76ce854810657ce065e 1de2980998b20d791.jpeg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_XB-46

Beagle has control.

BEagle

9th Dec 2021, 22:37

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/630x517/cockpit_a0dea7b56997a7578bbe9d2e6b698813cbcd32d9.jpg
OK - probably quite easy.....

Self loading bear

10th Dec 2021, 09:00

Are you trying to mock us up?

BEagle

12th Dec 2021, 11:46

Allegedly the concept for an aircraft whose stable mate flew on all fours!

BEagle

13th Dec 2021, 07:28

OK - Open House!

it was the concept for the XR-12 airliner, based on the Republic XF-12 Rainbow:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/290x174/images_c250c8ff6ae6586695acb29496f9174e52339abd.jpg

The XF-12 had 4 engines and could cruise at 400 mph at 40000ft for 4,000 miles. Hence 'flying on all fours'!

Self loading bear

27th Dec 2021, 18:50

14 days open house

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/259x195/66a2fd61_0eb5_42a0_95bc_d763f90eb7b1_89fe85ba037df51a7573aea b69342a475113cacf.jpeg

BEagle

28th Dec 2021, 15:13

Très rapide, mais très dangereux!! Ou peut-être trois dangereux??

Noyade

31st Dec 2021, 00:01

Très rapide, mais très dangereux!! Ou peut-être trois dangereux??

A dangerous three-engined aircraft?

Trident??

Self loading bear

31st Dec 2021, 14:02

A dangerous three-engined aircraft?

Trident??

But which Trident?

meleagertoo

31st Dec 2021, 20:00

Nasty looking device - I can't believe how antiquiated the panel looks - I was looking at Fairey Battles Defiants via that cue. But 1950's?
Mon Dieu!
Still, a later (more, er, venomous) mark made an impression in the record books by all accounts, so it was not entirely a wasted effort.
As to which mark the panel belongs one would have to have better definition to read the turbojet gauges.

Noyade

1st Jan 2022, 07:36

You mean is it the 9000I or 9050II or the un-flown III?
No idea mate - but it looks like BEagle is in the know?

meleagertoo

1st Jan 2022, 12:39

As this miraculous find suggests it appears to depict the Mk1 version of the SNCASO Trident 9000. The salient difference between this diagram and the OP's panel is the warning light stack centre-top of the panel. It would be expected that these might change when the Marborés were exhanged for Vipers, so on that rather tenuous basis I'll call the challenge photo a Viper-engined MkIIhttps://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/901x486/screenshot_2022_01_01_at_13_29_17_bb1d4f2f8052191e24900f6ee7 7442d4707fc7d1.png
Edit.
Wups! No, not quite as straightforward as that - and not the Trident 9050-II. Too many changes. I hadn't spotted that the original 9000 had two versions, initially with grossly underpowered Marborés and later re-engined with licenced made Vipers.
I doubt it is possible to say which pic is which variant from the info I've found so I'll just call it a 9000Mk1.

However, it is quite clear that, as ever, BEagle had this way ahead of anyone else.

Self loading bear

1st Jan 2022, 13:46

Mel,
The credits go to you as you are the first the single out a type designation. BEagle clearly knew much and sooner but as he choose not state any type, name or make, we must assume he wasn’t going for the kill and credits.
I have it as the Sud Ouest SO-9000 without any mark-up so probably before any mark-ups were being considered.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/326x155/a6272393_2e25_4d26_afd4_19104ada31c4_d05fcd321452176a535551f bee99ef1377f28c4c.jpeg

over to Mel.

meleagertoo

1st Jan 2022, 17:07

OK, here's a try, let's see how long this lasts...

Why does one wheel have a cutaway and not the other? And why does the other have what seems to be an 'up' arrow on it, though one can imagine that figuring where 'up' was could be problematic in such a design...
Nonetheless it proved a capable traveller.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/752x524/screenshot_2022_01_01_at_14_17_12_a16608b847ed2c1bf102fedfe2 3f948d2cb56d8a.png

Asturias56

2nd Jan 2022, 08:05

Some sort of flying boat?

meleagertoo

2nd Jan 2022, 13:44

No, "Airliner".

meleagertoo

3rd Jan 2022, 12:30

Perhaps kinder to have posted this...
Phttps://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/832x702/screenshot_2022_01_03_at_13_28_42_db948d673a0499741f31ac10ac ba8014fc0dd366.png

This bird had very long legs, unlike its namesake.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/816x692/screenshot_2022_01_03_at_13_29_05_d21d5a225374ba44d15f2d6b51 eb1d9171f27f59.png

India Four Two

5th Jan 2022, 13:56

I've seen that picture before but I can't remember what it is! :{

French?

ea200

5th Jan 2022, 16:25

It reminds me of something from Farman but I can't find a match.

meleagertoo

5th Jan 2022, 17:58

'ees nurt a Farman, but ees French.

A reasonably prolific designer - 20 plus types, 15 of these built.

Self loading bear

5th Jan 2022, 19:08

Bernard 191 GR
Oiseau Canari
The yellow canary crossed the Atlantic.1929

meleagertoo

5th Jan 2022, 20:23

And did so with the first aviation stowaway on board.

SLB has it.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1370x667/screenshot_2022_01_05_at_21_29_53_d9fd09955888251065808e23d4 5886402addbb7d.png

Self loading bear

5th Jan 2022, 22:16

Thanks,
Interesting stories at Useless information dot org (https://uselessinformation.org/the-first-transatlantic-airplane-race/)

Now this:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x905/b103eee4_c48f_4943_b002_6ec180aa16dd_ccd073abc441eb5bef392b4 70f60094740dba340.jpeg

oldpax

6th Jan 2022, 01:17

Is this a flying boat?

BEagle

6th Jan 2022, 07:00

No señor, no es un barco volador......

meleagertoo

6th Jan 2022, 10:12

Not a good outcome, if my canary met one of these...though it's an unlikley name for such a pedestrian lump!

Self loading bear

7th Jan 2022, 17:54

Is anybody going to name the homely hawk?
Otherwise I will reveal and declare Open House.

meleagertoo

7th Jan 2022, 20:30

Poor old thing, it's a bit like calling a Varsity a "Peregrine".

Noyade

7th Jan 2022, 20:40

A gold mine of clues above.
Must be the Spanish CASA.202 'Halcon' - ?

meleagertoo

7th Jan 2022, 21:17

Must???

Gosh... But not for me to say!

SLB, time to put us all out of our misery!

Self loading bear

7th Jan 2022, 21:46

A gold mine of clues above.
Must be the Spanish CASA.202 'Halcon' - ?

Actually it isn’t, but I guess the houses in this street all look the same.

Noyade

7th Jan 2022, 21:57

Hmmm....I was thinking the clues were referring to a Spanish Hawk. Clearly not...

Noyade

7th Jan 2022, 22:16

houses in this street all look the same.

CASA Street?
Number 207 - Azor?

teusje

7th Jan 2022, 22:16

There's more than one word for hawk in Spanish like azor or alcotan.

Noyade

7th Jan 2022, 22:22

Yeah - my Google power is weak...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/762x313/azor_74ef03e41561f684b6e3ead7a7ed3afad88004a2.png

Self loading bear

7th Jan 2022, 22:24

CASA Street?
Number 207 - Azor?

Exactly the next Hawk down the road
CASA 207 Azor the extended model of the 202.
Cockpit will have been te same?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1399/4e3cbc6f_1b97_4080_8dac_9fffdc7627bf_7889476438864a3e368c84d 34b0d4f3d95bdae73.jpeg

Noyade

7th Jan 2022, 22:36

Thanks for your patience Bear - always a learning experience here! :ok:
Gotta make it OPEN HOUSE - but I will look for something in the meantime.
Cheers!

meleagertoo

8th Jan 2022, 00:49

There are many kinds of hawk.

As I said in my last clue, Gosh***

Azor = Goshawk

Noyade

8th Jan 2022, 01:35

Yeah, got it now - too clever for me.

Noyade

8th Jan 2022, 01:50

Taking back the open house - couldn't see this listed.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x604/scan0867_e618e6f7c07942212b3ab86149fdbb8aceeb2eb2.jpg

asw28-866

8th Jan 2022, 23:19

From the land of the prancing horse perchance?

Noyade

9th Jan 2022, 10:23

From the land of the prancing horse perchance?

Indeed it is...

meleagertoo

9th Jan 2022, 13:42

Nice little toy, that one!

India Four Two

11th Jan 2022, 08:36

No one seems to want to pull the trigger, so I will: SIAI-Marchetti S.211

Noyade

11th Jan 2022, 23:53

No one seems to want to pull the trigger

Thank you for the merciful head-shot, India - over to you! :ok:

India Four Two

13th Jan 2022, 00:20

An interesting challenge. I had never heard of it before. When I saw the picture, I immediately thought G-91, but I knew we had had that before.

What do you make of this?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1030x1139/e5ae15bb_5360_4aa9_b15a_ea58235989a2_c39d915e1d56e613a477df7 d3769233d75f367ae.jpeg

oldpax

13th Jan 2022, 01:46

Is this a dirigable ?

India Four Two

13th Jan 2022, 05:28

No and no.

I suspect this aircraft was very expensive.

meleagertoo

13th Jan 2022, 10:11

Amazing how something so crude-looking did the job!

India Four Two

13th Jan 2022, 17:25

Yes, very crude-looking, but in this case, form definitely follows function.

Self loading bear

13th Jan 2022, 18:52

eXpensive but not X-rated!

meleagertoo

13th Jan 2022, 20:30

Not X rated? The most famous guy it damn near killed might disagree but then he was notoriously unexcitable.
God bless him.

India Four Two

13th Jan 2022, 21:02

I suspect meleagertoo has it. Why don’t you pull the yellow and black handle? ;)

Noyade

13th Jan 2022, 21:43

Lunar landing research vehicle?

meleagertoo

13th Jan 2022, 22:00

What a fantastic boiler-plate solution to a swiss-watch problem! I find the dichotomy between the backyard pop-rivet engineering of the LLRV and the LM incredibly exciting and inspirational.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/519x346/screenshot_2022_01_13_at_23_01_02_305fe3d6d392c087220717fcb0 02113501a5cad4.png

The panel, especially the doppler(?) display and the pure 1960s strip gauges was a dead giveaway!
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/256x227/screenshot_2022_01_13_at_23_05_02_b0c097fcd1145a243b7d4b0b79 a1663f3c99b59c.png

Onwards, Noyade!

India Four Two

14th Jan 2022, 00:51

Noyade has it - the LLRV.

Here’s the “famous guy” aka Neil Armstrong:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/960x640/4a10a682_0c4d_413b_80dc_ff88c41fdb20_dde31020933a6044a1f8b43 9cbcadb198bf27255.jpeg

India Four Two

14th Jan 2022, 00:59

PS I’ve just found this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlZXso0-I4

I presume the ejection was at Ellington Field.

Noyade

14th Jan 2022, 23:01

Thanks India...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/493x727/scan0862_d23fd3f4e05d954f06ed322882aa604eaa8c8e22.jpg

India Four Two

16th Jan 2022, 10:24

That looks like a BD-5, the J model?

meleagertoo

16th Jan 2022, 12:22

The only aircraft Richard Bach described as being more dangerous on take-off than on landing.

Noyade

16th Jan 2022, 19:43

That looks like a BD-5, the J model?

That's him India, back to you. :ok:

India Four Two

17th Jan 2022, 06:33

The first time I saw a BD-5 was six years ago at the Western Museum of Flight at Torrance Airport (Zamperini Field) south of LAX. I was surprised how small the cockpit was.

No way I could get into one at my advanced age, although I can still get into single-seat gliders.

I’m not sure I would’ve fitted into it when I was in my 20s!

Nothing to hand so Open House.

meleagertoo

17th Jan 2022, 10:32

This is the Engineer's panel of what aircraft?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/709x645/screenshot_2022_01_16_at_15_43_16_d177115ba178415215cc69e39c 7c7e076d9be2e1.png

India Four Two

18th Jan 2022, 04:26

I think I would have installed another clock on the top right for symmetry considerations!

meleagertoo

20th Jan 2022, 13:35

High class panel, that.

dixi188

20th Jan 2022, 18:10

Is this from an airship?

meleagertoo

21st Jan 2022, 11:09

From that era.
This designer might well have been related to an airship designer. They were an interbred lot.

meleagertoo

22nd Jan 2022, 11:16

OK, here's the main panel. Very posh.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/269x131/screenshot_2022_01_17_at_16_05_00_17a491d1ac055850b42912d970 7589bd642bb195.png

meleagertoo

30th Jan 2022, 18:55

Bump...

No one here do crossword clues?
This is an aeroplane with an aristocratic background.
One with class.

Self loading bear

30th Jan 2022, 21:31

I have been looking at Zeppelin-Staaken but no match.
Is it German?

meleagertoo

31st Jan 2022, 10:02

High class German.

dash7fan

31st Jan 2022, 15:02

Junkers G 38

OH if correct

meleagertoo

31st Jan 2022, 20:12

You got it!

meleagertoo

4th Feb 2022, 13:41

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/390x287/screenshot_2022_02_04_at_14_38_25_77e62058ce78a03fc758dddbb0 ae4df53479aa84.png

Self loading bear

11th Feb 2022, 19:46

Started searching late:
open wooden aircraft cockpit
Royal Aircraft Factory SE-5a
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/309x163/c4bf4e64_fed4_4b73_a388_742007b63c5f_c0f8244fa36dec62075c165 9dab1adcc9b35b12d.jpeg

meleagertoo

12th Feb 2022, 13:09

Well done! You have control.

Self loading bear

12th Feb 2022, 14:04

Thank you, let see if this challenge stands the test of time:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/666x739/10c8e087_ccd9_40c0_b9e8_d7d1655e4b58_98879a7d4984bfec2504c21 3d2471121c2ea0202.jpeg

kenparry

12th Feb 2022, 15:50

An airship perhaps?

Self loading bear

13th Feb 2022, 09:53

An airship perhaps?

Not an airship

meleagertoo

13th Feb 2022, 10:53

French by any chance?

meleagertoo

13th Feb 2022, 11:10

Long shot here.
I can make no sense of ths as conventional aircraft instrumentation.
I think this may be the autopilot control panel from from Lawrence Sperry's Curtis C2 hyroplane that first demonstrated such a device in Paris in 1914 but can't find any evidence to back this up.
The flat foredeck and control wheel arrangement seem to match...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/612x357/screenshot_2022_02_13_at_12_17_11_ac4b45fe6acd2496476b5f0a69 c708986db59184.png

Self loading bear

13th Feb 2022, 11:50

French, but not a hydroplane

Self loading bear

15th Feb 2022, 05:07

French tri-motor

meleagertoo

15th Feb 2022, 12:11

I figured that and trawled all I can find but cockpit photos for such beasts are non-existant, and decent quality photos scarce.

1920's?

Self loading bear

15th Feb 2022, 17:26

1929 and a bit like Burnelli

meleagertoo

16th Feb 2022, 11:40

Which makes it an SPCA40T or a Bernard 60 going by date alone.
Your clue suggests the Bernard 60 though that was all wood construction and the pic appears to show metal skin and perhaps even structure. The all metal version, the Bernard 61T didn't fly until years later I think.
As an unsupported guess Bernard 60T?

Anyone able to explain the units and scales on those instruments? The big ones are probably RPM but what's TEL? And the others? Where's the altimeter?

Self loading bear

16th Feb 2022, 19:24

There is B in the name of the original builder and in the name of the company that took over the single prototype.
But not a Bernard which are not alike the Burnelli designs

sycamore

16th Feb 2022, 20:15

Possibly a Breguet...?

meleagertoo

16th Feb 2022, 21:27

Dyle et Bacalan DB70

OH

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1348x802/screenshot_2022_02_16_at_22_22_38_6328a9bc68b356e8fd87651eab 62c71cbca11cee.png

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/995x568/screenshot_2022_02_16_at_22_29_20_4965c74665fef94c900faae399 d97aacf0985027.png

Self loading bear

16th Feb 2022, 23:17

Yes DB70 or SAB 70.
That is the one!

Open house called

India Four Two

16th Feb 2022, 23:23

I would like to know what TEL means?

Asturias56

20th Feb 2022, 07:50

I would like to know what TEL means?

I think it's instruments made by Haslar Telegraph Works, 26 Victoria Street, London. A PhD thesis

The History and Development of Aircraft Instruments - 1909 to 1919 John Kirkham Bradley Imperial College 1994

mentions their instruments and if you google Haslar you'll get a lot more detail eg https://www.aviationancestry.co.uk/?searchQuery=Hasler+Telegraph+Works&startYear=1909&endYear=1990

Self loading bear

20th Feb 2022, 09:20

This makes sense,
the scale is 0-24 (x100??)
The Hispano-Souza 12YBrs engines had a top of 2400 rpm

meleagertoo

20th Feb 2022, 12:58

OK, so what are the other three guages?

Asturias56

20th Feb 2022, 15:45

26 Victoria Street became part of New Scotland Yard - now being redeveloped as some office/apartment complex

India Four Two

24th Feb 2022, 09:49

How about this cozy two-seater?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1734x1800/wc_2022_02_24_245d0df85287fa767ea3dc4e657ce335f7b0827f.jpg

India Four Two

25th Feb 2022, 16:20

This doesn't add much to the challenge, but it's a nice photo.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1600x992/cooper_38b09290d46a4329b277392a2455019bdb2e4284.jpeg

Beamr

25th Feb 2022, 19:21

bet you that it's a 1950's trainer.

meleagertoo

25th Feb 2022, 20:07

What's a trainer doing with multiple data inputs and outputs?
Single engine
Hydraulics
Reflector gunsights? (2 off) not HUD surely?
What are those great tubes on the top of the panel?
No engine instrumentation visible at all, just one maybe two fuel related gauges. (doubtless others out of view but hardly seem comprehensive)
'Throttle" appears to be annotated OFF-IDLE-ON...rocket?
Appreciable effort to provide heating
Very basic IFF
Doesn't even look like a bang-seat!
No sign of avionics/radios or nav kit beyond odd and very basic selectors.
Unusual attention to VHF nav and probably ILS or similar too - that looks rather civvy that.
Seriously unusual control column.

Experimental is my guess. It isn't an X-plane though.
American?

Beamr

25th Feb 2022, 20:27

Don't want to give away too much and spoil the fun. I'm pretty sure of the model.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1910x951/screenshot_20220225_232201_samsung_internet_6a9278e9b7cc643a 811538f5d853e708f4e0c74a.jpg

meleagertoo

25th Feb 2022, 20:31

I'd wondered about radar but saw no sign of optical features in there and thought otherwise.
Looks like someone knows then!!

A radar-equipped fighter/interceptor trainer...

The thick plottens...

'as it got an 'ook?

India Four Two

25th Feb 2022, 21:24

Beamr has "radar identified" it!

1950s, single-engine, gunsights, seats are missing in the picture.

Not experimental, it was an operational trainer version of a well-known single seater, which had the same weird stick.

American. No 'ook!

Self loading bear

25th Feb 2022, 21:36

I can make a stab at it but I won’t.
The difference is in the stick.
edt: crossed with I42 post.
In the Netherlands there was an airframe named Bubbles.

India Four Two

25th Feb 2022, 22:33

Come on Beamr, don't be shy!

Slb is next inline with a 'cloggy' ID.

Beamr

26th Feb 2022, 05:57

Alrighty then, I42 presented us with the almighty Convair TF-102 Delta Dagger trainer. 111 built apparently so not such a rarity at its day. Must say that the side-by-side seating was a tough puzzle.

Asturias56

26th Feb 2022, 07:47

Beamr

26th Feb 2022, 07:54

"Me being a cocky SOB I am not even waiting for a confirmation... What has such a comfortable looking seat"

Careful - doing that got me a months ban at Christmas - best to wait..........................
ah, yes, I am sorry. That statement was made with tongue on cheek, I tried to explain myself more PC in the edit comments but now I realize that those comments aren't visible in the mobile view.

I apologise the above and will remove the challenge.
We will wait for I42's confirmation.

Asturias56

26th Feb 2022, 11:30

|Enthusiasm is dangerous on here!!

India Four Two

26th Feb 2022, 17:59

interesting posts while I was sleeping! :)

Enthusiasm is dangerous on here!!

Does that mean TAPs are not tolerated? :E

Beamr has it - the TF-102A Delta Dagger.
To train F-102A pilots, the TF-102A trainer was developed, with 111 eventually manufactured. The aircraft was designed with side-by-side seating to facilitate pilot training, a popular concept in the 1950s (also used with the American Cessna T-37, British Hawker Hunter T.7 and English Electric Lightning T.4, among others). This required a redesign of the cockpit and a nose almost as wide as that of a Convair 340 commercial airliner. The new nose introduced buffeting, the source of which was traced to the bulbous canopy. Vortex generators were added to the top of the canopy to prevent the buffet which had started at about Mach 0.72. The intake ducts were revised as the inlets were repositioned. Despite the many changes, the aircraft was combat-capable, although this variant was predictably slower, reaching only subsonic speeds in level flight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-102_Delta_Dagger

Here's a picture I took of the one on Century Circle at the West Gate of Edwards AFB:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1920x1078/tf_102a_edwards_west_gate_f7008d9b1e62805ae351328d3c8c286c5e 8f82f7.jpeg

As I said, it's a cozy cockpit:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x231/tf_102_cockpit_bb3098ecdaca7b72893c98248865a43e6ab4043e.png

The pilot in the left seat in the picture I previously posted is Gordon Cooper, one of the Mercury 7.

Slb was referring to a Netherlands-based USAF TF-102A named Bubbles, with clogs painted on the nose. I found a picture but now have lost the reference!

Does anyone know the origin of the strange bi-furcated stick?

Beamr has control.

Beamr

26th Feb 2022, 18:19

Beamr has control.

thank you for your kindness but due to my misbehaviour lately I will suffer my penalty round and make way for SLB if he has something mind boggling at hand?

Self loading bear

26th Feb 2022, 19:28

Thank you
I have always something in stock:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/594x405/aa277eba_b6d5_4576_a12c_640ba1bdf116_3f03fcb43f520ea6ae14ee0 120067dee09666fc1.jpeg

OUAQUKGF Ops

26th Feb 2022, 21:35

The shelf looks very bare to me.

Beamr

27th Feb 2022, 05:40

unpressurized twin, not very advanced (only the very essential information is there), though someone tried really hard to make it look exclusive. Looks like Bentley has mated with a Skoda.
Is this a kit or maybe a one-off demonstrator?

Self loading bear

27th Feb 2022, 11:35

Not a kit plane.
Several built
Hardly distinguishable from the other models in the range so I will give you all some slack on that.
Extensive glass fiber used for a reason.
Walnut dashboard probably due to demonstrator version.

bafanguy

27th Feb 2022, 15:18

Thank you
I have always something in stock:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/594x405/aa277eba_b6d5_4576_a12c_640ba1bdf116_3f03fcb43f520ea6ae14ee0 120067dee09666fc1.jpeg

Looking at the rudder pedals. I don't see brake pedals on the right side and can't tell about the left. Amphibian ?

Self loading bear

27th Feb 2022, 15:22

Definitely amphibious

meleagertoo

27th Feb 2022, 17:05

An amphib still needs brakes...

Self loading bear

27th Feb 2022, 17:39

An amphib still needs brakes...
So you got this clue for free.

India Four Two

27th Feb 2022, 17:54

European? Italian?

Self loading bear

27th Feb 2022, 20:41

East of Skoda

meleagertoo

28th Feb 2022, 10:53

Ah! Yes!
Never would have found that without help!

Russell Gulch

28th Feb 2022, 19:51

I'm almost afraid to ask, because I've been off the what aerodrome and what cockpit for a while. What happened to Dook?
Russ

Russell Gulch

28th Feb 2022, 19:58

I've missed something in the murk: Dook has been killed off / murdered / sent off to stand in a corner.
Am I at similar risk? Russell

Asturias56

1st Mar 2022, 08:59

Ages ago Dook was posting non-stop - got on someones nerves I think......................

And remember the 24 hour rule - I've just come off a months ban for that

Self loading bear

1st Mar 2022, 17:06

I've missed something in the murk: Dook has been killed off / murdered / sent off to stand in a corner.
Am I at similar risk? Russell

Russell, welcome back!
When you take time outs like this there is no risk that you get a time out from the higher powers that be!

Beamr

1st Mar 2022, 18:31

Just occured to me that Anton CHEkhov had two brothers and he made seven four-act plays.

Self loading bear

2nd Mar 2022, 05:31

Just occured to me that Anton CHEkhov had two brothers and he made seven four-act plays.

As you have posted the exact name, I wil not hold up the thread on this:
The Chernov Che-27 amphibian.
Chernov did a long line of light seaplane designs for the Russian lakes and rivers

Beamr has control.

Beamr

2nd Mar 2022, 13:58

Thank you SLB, to keep things moving faster than Putins convoys I'll place an easy one. Shouldn't take very long.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/364x583/1bw_d4567d834aa1d8c6d5e8a43ae6cdc0b3173f6b56.jpg

12in95

2nd Mar 2022, 15:37

First time here - could it be a Draken?

Beamr

2nd Mar 2022, 17:56

First time here - could it be a Draken?
welcome! I can see why Draken comes up, gallant effort! However it is not a Draken.

Shackman

2nd Mar 2022, 19:37

Looks more like a motor cycle side car with a baby seat!!

Beamr

2nd Mar 2022, 20:08

It sure looks like its from Shackletons, granny with her weak knees never thought it would be so easy to get in and out of, you know.

Noyade

2nd Mar 2022, 23:04

IAR-93 trainer version?

Beamr

3rd Mar 2022, 04:26

No, not Yugoslavian/Romanian. Had to google that one and quite interestingly, based on internet sources, those IAR-93's had initially Martin Baker 10's as bang seats back in mid-70's. On two seat version they had locally designed rapid exit plan enablers.

Beamr

3rd Mar 2022, 09:38

I really thought that this would've been solved in a whiplash.

sycamore

3rd Mar 2022, 10:29

MiG 25/31...?

Beamr

3rd Mar 2022, 11:01

Getting warmer.

Noyade

3rd Mar 2022, 11:17

MiG-23.....?

India Four Two

3rd Mar 2022, 14:58

I really thought that this would've been solved in a whiplash.

I see what you did there! ;)

Beamr

3rd Mar 2022, 15:40

It is time to call the winner!

With a whiplash it is the flogger, to be exact the trainer version of Mig-23, picture being of the rear seat. I tried to emphasize the Shackleton (you know), as that Mikoyan bang seat KM-1 is very distinctive with the diamond stitching. It was installed in Mig21, 23, 25 and 27, so it really narrows down options. The trainer was picked just to cause confusion as the single seat version would've been a bit easy.

To make it short, Noyade was first, over to you!

Noyade

3rd Mar 2022, 20:39

I see what you did there! ;)

Embarrassing. I saw that and dunno why, but disregarded Flogger cause I couldn't see that kink on the starboard side. I was convinced I was seeing an all-wing aircraft with the intakes outta-sight. I had no idea why the horizontal stabiliser was appearing so early in the photo top right.

Thanks Beamr - but I am not worthy and just dropped down the MiG ladder number based on Sycamore's answer and your response.

Handing over to Sycamore.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x444/scan0896_b1af02814dbe75eda875f53224df22ef37fc4efc.jpg

sycamore

3rd Mar 2022, 22:21

AHHH...Bowled a googly there....sorry,have to be OPEN HOUSE......apols

India Four Two

4th Mar 2022, 07:54

sycamore's loss is my gain!

I like open cockpits, but this is a bit extreme!

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/582x453/wc_2022_03_04_ab4f8af749c24f3ee19ee025ef54f0b90db494f5.jpg

meleagertoo

4th Mar 2022, 12:31

Bell Model 68 aka X14

India Four Two

5th Mar 2022, 18:08

Sorry for the delay chaps. While waiting for 24 hours to expire, I completely forgot about my challenge!

meleagertoo has it - the Bell X-14.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1639/bell_model_68_x_14_2_cc47394bd9ee13f4a8580afb7bde5d05da11883 b.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/816x612/bell_model_68_x_14_3_cde25f9a10669d8817f45159651950b05b57f6d 8.jpg

VTOL test aircraft - first flew in 1957. Bonanza wings and landing gear, T-34 tail, powered by two Vipers, with thrust-deflectors.

Bill Bedford and Hugh Mereweather both flew it prior to the first flight of the P1127.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_X-14