What Cockpit?

[Self loading bear]

A further clue might be required:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/463x294/be65fb9f_1b4b_4e54_889f_dfb970ed688a_e945ecdcb63153ad15aaefb edc3c5bd343a6e62b.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/463x298/54d83777_a3fa_4cc2_8e23_6c54f19dca44_2f2a6e2386d8fb77149b769 8dc80cc1d9b684ca4.jpeg

[India Four Two]

Let's narrow it down a bit. It looks European, possibly Italian?

[Self loading bear]

Let's narrow it down a bit. It looks European, possibly Italian?

It is indeed Italian.

[India Four Two]

Mama mia! That was a lucky guess. :)

Single-engined, variable pitch. Fighter?

[Self loading bear]

Mama mia! That was a lucky guess. :)

Single-engined, variable pitch. Fighter?

Yes, Yes and Yes

[India Four Two]

I've looked at all the obvious candidates with no luck. I'll leave it for the UK morning shift.

[Self loading bear]

My last clue:
This was an Italian export product for the 3 crowns.
This one was however recovered from an Italian lake:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/678x509/fada1cbd_654c_4633_9112_3e35f86e5412_b7d7221a7df9ef5ee6f5a8a 935f9e8aa56917329.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Reggiane Re 2000 Falco - that crowns clue made it easy!

OH if correct.......................

[Self loading bear]

Reggiane Re 2000 Falco - that crowns clue made it easy!

OH if correct.......................

Yes I guessed so,

Open House called,
I hope India42 has something in stock?

[India Four Two]

Slb,

Somehow I missed the Falco during my search of Italian monoplane fighters. I'm surprised Asturias didn't get it sooner, since Reggio Emilia is only a short distance west of Ferrara! :)

Looking in my quiz folder, I see something that looks familiar. I'm not sure if we've had this one recently:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/501x328/wc_2020_12_29_copy_838a9da3eb787b017584c288ff537a483e17a865. png

Happy New Year to everyone. Let's hope 2021 and the upcoming Year of the Ox (China) or Buffalo (Vietnam) is better than this one.

[Asturias56]

I was out on my daily constitutional TBH and had just settled down to go through every Italian fighter of all time when Bear kindly popped up the Swedish clue...


Lets hope for a better 2021 than 2020!!

[India Four Two]

I've found another picture which may help:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1004x544/screen_shot_2020_12_30_at_22_33_37_4e5b21828a928180bbd156b3d 1c36a42c5ef5a1f.png

This aeroplane was designed as a bomber but was also used as a civil transport.

[Asturias56]

Temperatures in degrees C it looks like - so European?

[India Four Two]

Yes, built in Europe.

[sycamore]

i42,that depends on your Politiks.....

[Self loading bear]

Very long shot as I have found no cockpit photos:
The Russian built license Vultee V-11
BSh-1 as bomber
PS-43 as Aeroflot liaison aircraft.

[India Four Two]

sycamore,

There is nothing political about the definition of Europe. :)

Slb,

Not the BSh-1

[Self loading bear]

But Russian is correct?

[India Four Two]

Да, Russia is correct. It is geographically in Europe. I even went so far as to check that the factory was west of the Urals. ;)

If you look carefully, you can see Cyrillic lettering on the VSI.

[India Four Two]

The initial civil version had a three-person rear open-cockpit. The subsequent version was more civilized:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/262x264/r5cccp_copy_1fe3dff7868f6a69f9ff1e8902c8b147202427f1.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/257x242/r5cccp3_copy_65b88dcab0396e2ad42ffa3044c71553318b066f.jpg

The military troop transport had more spartan accommodations. I could see the Hereford Hooligans going for this one! :)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/372x335/military_transport_fd16c2654854c46f4d5bf112199c73c09c650068. jpg

[Asturias56]

Polikarpov P2???

[India Four Two]

"Close but no cigar" ;)

[asw28-866]

sticking with Polikarpov, add 3 to make it an R-5?

[India Four Two]

Glider pilots are good at arithmetic! The Polikarpov R-5 it is:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/731x467/0085_polikarpov_r_5_img0_021f54d9708f312296698ab285ce54a4177 34b5e.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polikarpov_R-5

It featured in a recent What Aerodrome, hence it looked familiar to me.

866 has control.

[asw28-866]

Thank you I42, don't think we have had this one before...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x479/whatckpt_45c68027b59d707ce4ec38d3e3c3073b499c1790.jpg

866

[UV]

Fournier motor glider ?

[India Four Two]

I think it’s an early German motor glider - Scheibe or Schleicher? I can’t decide if that giant lever is for pitch-change or engine retraction.

[bafanguy]

I can’t decide if that giant lever is for pitch-change or engine retraction.

A lever of that size and prominence must be for something important. What's that small gray wheel on the right ? Elevator trim perhaps ? The red stripe at the top would indicate zero trim ?

[India Four Two]

The operating arm on the lever goes forward so I think it's the pitch change mechanism for a nose-mounted engine. I see a Both position on the mag switch so presumably dual-ignition.

[asw28-866]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/546x447/whatckpt2_c2871ee64f5317ade876788a5c0b49119c697c78.jpg
Prominent lever is indeed for mechanical pitch change. Interestingly for this particular type both UV and I42 are part correct! My uncle Brian in the prototype.

[India Four Two]

I've seen similar levers in an RF-5, but less massive, and mounted in the middle of the panel. Is this an earlier Fournier?

[asw28-866]

There is a Fournier element to this aircraft, but not an “RF” type. A clue was provided when I wrote that both your initial response and that of UV correct in part.

[Fitter2]

SFS-31 Milan ?

(RF4 + SF27 hybrid, 27 + 4 = 31. The Ka12 about the same time frame was a much nicer, better engineered beast)

[asw28-866]

That’s the one Fitter2, the SFS-31 Milan, the floor is yours


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1280x1855/5d9dcfa4_1810_416f_877e_39bda052a625_93afc33b036792027d2077d abab567f591504239.jpeg

[zetec2]

engine stopped, prop feathered, as a glider, but don't see a canopy ????

[Fitter2]

I thought I recognised the Milan - sat in the cockpit once, but never flew it.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1600x1196/cockpit_d4c7faf072d0fcc28993a52e87e7ddb4b02c536f.jpg

I don't have much to hand, so a nice easy one.

[asw28-866]

Like the real thing, only smaller!

[Fitter2]

asw28-866:
Like the real thing, only smaller!

I wouldn't disagree

[Mark 1]

2750 RPM limit suggests O-200 and wooden biplane.

I'll take a stab at Isaac's Fury.

[Fitter2]

An accurate stab, Mark 1 (I said it was an easy one) This pretty example, being admired at the 2010 LAA Rally

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x600/04092010360_1724f02472729f24955ee5c798d9951d31171c60.jpg

Over to you.

[Mark 1]

I don't have a big library, but I'll offer this one:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1014x1391/dsc_1149s_e1baf5bea3b730a5761cb527652fec16d658dbf8.jpg

[Jhieminga]

Photo taken at Reno?

[Mark 1]

Photo taken at Reno?
You're not wrong!

[Mark 1]

Clue time: This is a replica. Only one, non-flying, original example exists.

[Jhieminga]

That helps, thanks! Jim Moss's Gee Bee R-6H replica 'Q.E.D.II' it is then :) (Had the Gee Bee R2 first, but have now found the correct photo...)

[Mark 1]

Jhieminga has it. Recently for sale at $900K, which was probably less than it cost to produce.
Seen on display At the Reno RCAR races 2014.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1832x1221/dsc_1148_c1f7e887f53591d630f4cdda64d23fa25c4f0c10.jpg

[Jhieminga]

We finally got there! Here's another one.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/451x272/cockpit_210108_b35c1da438761da79e37c03de7a12b22fb383a80.jpg

[sycamore]

Must be an aerobatic one with a stick that long...?

[FlightlessParrot]

Must be an aerobatic one with a stick that long...?
That's what she said.

[sycamore]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x541/svet_kap_045e95bcba55a92e30a700da392cd980b124a754.jpg
FP,you mean the lovely Svetlana...!

[Jhieminga]

Not an aerobatic type. No comment on the other replies ;).

[Mark 1]

We finally got there! Here's another one.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/451x272/cockpit_210108_b35c1da438761da79e37c03de7a12b22fb383a80.jpg
It appears to be a single seater with side hinged canopy and entry from the right hand side, which is very unusual (unless the picture is reversed).

Is that a T-tail in the foreground?
I'm thinking possible motorglider but can't find a match.

[Jhieminga]

Single seater, that's correct. Cockpit entry was from either side, pilot's option. It's not a T-tail you're looking at but the fuselage side. Not a motorglider.

[Self loading bear]

Develish difficult,
I know looking into some jet kit planes but not the
Sub Sonex
Bd-5
Nor some Burt Rutan creations.
Am I on the right track?
I think we need some sort of clue.

[Jhieminga]

I figured as much 😄 Does it help if I say that the previous challenge was my inspiration? Also, SLB is pretty close with one of those guesses...

[Mark 1]

Thanks for the clue. It bought me back to something that I'd fleetingly considered but dismissed.

I think that what I believed to be a canopy on the left side is in fact a huge engine & canard wing, and this is N221BP the Pond Racer.

[Jhieminga]

It is, Mark 1 has control. I had to crop that engine out of the picture, otherwise it would have been too easy ;)

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/563x800/pond1_4730749a7c3a033fe7ccae8bccfdbe0ac36234c0.jpg
Edit: there's a nice clip of the Pond Racer arriving at Reno in 1992 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p7iNuTe3w0

[Mark 1]

Thanks Jhieminga. A quick dig through the annuls of my travels finds this, which I don't think has been on here before,

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/470x435/dsc_0058_2__4344df6d411c8ddbd7a97b200bc22f53ee977ee0.jpg

[UV]

Is it the nose wheel look alike Chipmunk? Wagner Krishna or something?

[sycamore]

UV,or do you mean the Varga Kachina...?

[UV]

[QUOTE=sycamore;10970198]UV,or do you mean the Varga Kachina...?[/QUOTE

Yes that’s the one!

[Mark 1]

I would have allowed (barely) Wagner Krishna ;), but yes indeed a Varga Kachina, and no nose wheel :ok:.
This one at Ray, Michigan is a 2180TG variant.
UV has control!

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/944x505/dsc_0059_2__da6c97b529c15e55dfc80438fabe015299d84fd8.jpg

[UV]

Phew ...that was a good guess. Sorry but I have to declare OH.

[Self loading bear]

As we have Open House:

It seems not everyone has the right focus:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/271x360/eeb4cfdd_dab0_4401_a124_f0cc4344a98d_54895af611b7b1d3cb9add2 be68b9eb5ac5cb3d8.jpeg

[sycamore]

Mid East or Asia....?

[Self loading bear]

Mid East or Asia....?

Asia indeed

[sycamore]

Thailand ,Malaysia or Indonesia...?

[Self loading bear]

Thailand ,Malaysia or Indonesia...?

Let me answer that it was not fitted with a scatter gun.

[sycamore]

Oooh,you are awwfull,but ,I like you....!!:O

[sycamore]

Pak.Air Force Mushshak..

[Self loading bear]

Pak.Air Force Mushshak..

Now that is a lot closer.
By the way
I like you too!

[sycamore]

But which way from there...?

Was it Frankie Howerd,or Dick Emery...?

[Self loading bear]

But which way from there...?

Was it Frankie Howerd,or Dick Emery...?

I had to look those two up.
It was Mandy (Dick Emery)
To drift a little further East of thread:
wasn’t Dick’s brother a licensed helicopter engineer?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/293x450/841e1c42_7dea_4c26_b2a9_091fd0d48ad2_a81a07f62ae9344825b088d 621ac088b94443224.jpeg

[sycamore]

Dunno about his brother .but Dick was a member of the Tiger Club I think..

RTAF PAC CT-4.....

[Self loading bear]

Dunno about his brother .but Dick was a member of the Tiger Club I think..

RTAF PAC CT-4.....

Now you are way too Far East
(Although the Thai also used the CT 4)
You have to locate your search pattern between Pakistan and your shatter gun range.

[zetec2]

Well that's Ernest Borgnine, no relation to Dick Emery, but the connection ?.

[Asturias56]

So India or Burma I guess................ my "Janes All the World's Uniforms" show that the Burmese wear flat caps but the IAF do wear berets. - so we're in India I thnk

Hindustan Ardhra perhaps?

[Self loading bear]

Well that's Ernest Borgnine, no relation to Dick Emery, but the connection ?.

Sorry no connection
When I first googled Dick Emery I saw a superficial liking to the Airwolf engineer.

[Self loading bear]

India indeed,
But the Ardhra is a glider?

[Asturias56]

Soemhow I got the idea it washad a small engine

Anyway is it the BHARAT LT-1 Swati? Sliding canopy, engine etc

[UV]

HPT 32 Deepack. OH if correct.

[Self loading bear]

HPT 32 Deepack. OH if correct.

UV has it with the HPT-32 Deepack

Open House called

[Mark 1]

To keep things moving along:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1816x1034/p1000458_2__018b5c92c030826d4911f2340707e7defa9633f7.jpg

[UV]

I can see the reg...!

[Mark 1]

Oops! ... Should be fixed now

[Jhieminga]

Can I just point at post #1837? (https://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/547101-what-cockpit-92.html#post10837251)

[Mark 1]

My apologies! I hadn't noticed the previous one.

Jhieminga has it.

Piaggio Royal Gull it is.

[Jhieminga]

Thanks, let's have an Open House.

[India Four Two]

Try this one.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1086x1058/wc_2021_01_30_a5750ed9473f74828a836c39f90a402fad284254.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Looks like a "War Power switch on the starboard side??

[meleagertoo]

It's Soviet/Soviet bloc and westernised. 1970's era.
The gear/flaps/(weapons?) silouhette indicator below the weapons selector is deffo Russian seen in various types, inc Su25 Frogfoot which this cockpit closely resembles . Reflector sight is a '60s era Russian one. I think the bang-seat is western too.
The 3 panels shape and layout is very Russian, the wanderlight isn't NATO, RCDI is in metres.
It appears to be a twin jet with a multiple weapons selector, so looks like ground attack.

As to what it actually is - stumped. For now.

[India Four Two]

Excellent sleuthing, meleagertoo. :ok:

Soviet bloc and westernised. 1970s. MB Mk10L seat. Twin jet.

A 1970s design but with a long and protracted development. Only a few were built.

[meleagertoo]

The closest I can get is Nanchang A5 but none of the very few photos I can find are a really convincing match. The canopy bow is in the right place but nowhere near beefy enough nor the right shape - in fact it is so insubstantial I hardly see it being a part of a jet combat aircraft at all so I reckon this is a mockup and not the real thing.
The red handle and wanderlight next to it are in the right place.
I'd put money on it being a Mig 19 derivative though -

Not entirely confident with the call but by a process of elinination I'm saying the A-5IV/A-5M probably a mockup as exported to Pakistan with Rockwell-Collins avionics and instrumentation and a Mk10 seat.

Edit. Mig 21 derivatives are too big for this - it's not one of those.

[Jhieminga]

IAR-93 Vultur does fit the brief, 1970s, Sovbloc, probably Westernised, not that many built.... but the cockpit doesn't match. Back to square one...

[Self loading bear]

Could be a IAR-99 variant.
Probably The Jaffe Aircraft Corporation modified one?
Could not locate a photo of that so a blunt stab in the dark.

[meleagertoo]

IAR 99 is single engined so not that one.

I also discover that PODW on the red handle is Polish for "Double" which makes my Nanchang look much less likely.

I thnk I've looked at every Eastern European aircraft there is and some came close but no way can I match all the detials.

I've even searched Martin Baker's list of Mk 10 installations and can't see a match either.

Edit.

OK,I now think it's an E European product. The vertical red handle is identical to that on and Aero 159 and the riveted cockpit sides are very distinctive, as is the screen defogging tube.
Soko J22 and IAR 93 are the closest I can get so far.They match most of the criteria - twin, long in development, Mk10, canopy shape and position fits, armoured front screen fits, role fits but there are so few pics on the net its impossible to choose which, or which model and nothing like the instrument fit is to be found. I'm not happy about the 3 panel layout though which doesn't match at all.

d'uh oh!
How did I miss that? It's a PZL I-22 Iryda. Shoulda stuck to the Polish language clue but despite several google searches for PZL I 22 cockpit image I failed to spot any but older versions, it wasn't until I added Iryda that this modern one came up. Nice looking little toy, I'd like a go in one of those!
Thanks to Martin Baker's list!

Open House please.

[India Four Two]

Well done! The PZL I-22 Iryda it is. Development began in 1976, first flew in 1985, 17 built, retired in 1996. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_I-22_Iryda


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/728x470/screen_shot_2021_02_02_at_9_39_22_pm_77c102995d580c2a07d810c ae26899581300bb55.png

It was planned to be the replacement of the PZL TS-11 Iskara but ran into lots of cost/performance issues and had a fatal accident. You know things are not going well when the manufacturer sues the Ministry of Defence!

I failed to spot any but older versions

I noticed that too, when I was looking for images. The older ones are so different that I thought they might be mislabelled!

Open House has been declared.

[Russell Gulch]

...17 built...

I wonder what the unit cost was?
Russ

[India Four Two]

Probably less than the unit cost of an F-35! :E

[Self loading bear]

Let’s post this one.
The owner of this particular aircraft persevered.
or was it progres-severe?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x541/939c8c69_6abd_43f7_8ba7_55321ff06da1_fc5c28a3c474d2e5b06d2df 2a7cb0f5a3d1d3d16.jpeg

[Mark 1]

It looks Zenith-like. 701 or 750?

[Self loading bear]

It looks Zenith-like. 701 or 750?

Sorry, not Russian
but the 7 and 0 are correct!

[Mark 1]

Sorry, not Russian
but the 7 and 0 are correct!
I meant the American Zenair STOL kitplanes.
If not then maybe the Italian Zenith look alike, the Savannah?

I remember seeing one do an impressive STOL demo at a CAP Raduno in a 30 knot wind!

[Self loading bear]

Mark 1 , you have hit it with the Savannah
ICP MXP 740 Savannah.
This particular aircraft was owned by the Thai who owned Pattaya Airpark.
He preserved by surviving 16 crashes.
His 17th crash was fatal.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/675x771/29477e1c_dcdb_4681_8d82_cf9a746b8548_ac64a39f879d28d7a8685ce 41df32adb8140a12a.jpeg

[Mark 1]

17 Crashes! You can only defy Darwin for so long.

See what you make of this:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/801x468/p1010750_2__5c450e0e4f8be2c2cea585896f9a48f37f7c1674.jpg

[Jhieminga]

The Basler BT-67 I guess.

[Mark 1]

That didn't take you long!
I snapped this while wandering around the ramp at Iqaluit and got invited in for a look around.
Jhieminga has control.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x750/bt67_ca9c415119fd4636b274610bdb85cb731545f878.png

[Jhieminga]

How about this one:
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/810x577/cockpit_210212_6eb04f237efef030c7a3458789d3d71a147a2cd6.jpg

[rotarywrench]

Avro 706 Ashton? Still in the days of having a flight engineer, with the sparse selection of engine gauges on the panel. The main clue for me was the AVRO logo on the center of the panel. If correct OH as I cannot post pictures here yet. Why the large yoke on the LH side?
Cheers
Rotarywrench

[Self loading bear]

Ashtons were Tudor airframes with jet engines only used for development.
That might clarify the “experimental” LH yoke?
I wondered about the “paddle shifters” on the right hand yoke.
I think I have seen that somewhere else as well but what were those for?

[mcdhu]

The paddles on the RHS yoke are reminiscent of the brake applicators on the Vickers Varsity.

mcdhu

[rotarywrench]

Handley Page used a similar set up around then and before (Halifax and Hastings).

[sycamore]

Looking closely ,the LH CC is for measuring stick force and deflection,and rudder pedals,but no visible pedals for the copilot,just a hole into the nose.....

[bafanguy]

Avro 706 Ashton? Still in the days of having a flight engineer...

No pics of the F/E position ?

[India Four Two]

The windshield looks like an Ashton.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/442x292/screen_shot_2021_02_13_at_4_46_11_pm_6a0c8b92cb44753b0ec9907 e2ffe60e20d74f902.png

[rotarywrench]

I am not able to post pictures here yet, The Ashton MK3 was featured in Neville Shute's "Cone of Silence". It might follow that the Fight Engineer's panel can be seen on You Tube ://youtu.be/r5ATtPTqxXk @ 52:50 and throughout the film.

[Self loading bear]

Always on the lookout for some aviation literature.
I found that the book cone of silence is from David Beaty.
But I now will add Neville Shute to my list as well.

[Jhieminga]

The Avro 706 Ashton it is indeed, which means that rotarywrench has control.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/503x329/ashton_photo_e2a5104494e0ad165204bc63ee344baf1c1507dc.jpg
Nevil Shute novels should certainly be on your list! 'No Highway' is the one that is tentatively linked to the Comet saga, even if it was published six years before that happened. Other novels with an aviation influence from Shute are 'The Rainbow and the Rose', 'Landfall' and 'Round the Bend' for example, his autobiography is also well worth the time for his recollections from the R100 story.

[rotarywrench]

I cannot post pictures here yet so it will have to be an Open House

[Self loading bear]

I cannot post pictures here yet so it will have to be an Open House
you are on 11 so you can give it a try?

[rotarywrench]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1227/hali_05b9f6591a018696b6f1b9fd22b8124d29cc207a.jpg
I cannot find that this has been here before. Sorry about the quality but I was unprepared

[Self loading bear]

Quality is fine.
We have solved pictures of much worse quality.

[Bergerie1]

Handley Page Halifax?

[rotarywrench]

That's it, happens to be a Halifax MKIII picture from the Pilot's and Flight Engineers notes. Over to you Bergerie1 !

[Bergerie1]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1194x591/fairchild_16_2__0343bbe71d4080df223376ff5311c5cb21529e68.jpg

[UV]

Is that the reg on the panel?

[oldpax]

Miles magister?

[India Four Two]

oldpax, it looks American to me, particularly the ASI and the ignition switch.

[Bergerie1]

India Four Two, American - yes

[Jhieminga]

Is that the reg on the panel?
Yes, registration and type... ;)

[Self loading bear]

I did search for C-FARA and found 2 registrations of different/ non-matching type.
Couldn’t decipher the type (on my phone) so went searching for side-by-side stick cockpits.

This is the Fairchild 24 as modelled for FSX by Lionheart Creations.
Perhaps still better to wipe out registration and type in the future.
It seems some fellow Ppruners let this one pass because of that.
Could also be that it is an animated picture but I personally have no problem with the way of detail and accuracy this one has been done.

Keep them coming!

[Bergerie1]

SLB, Yes, correct - it is a Fairchild 24. Sorry if I didn't follow the rules of this thread correctly, will try to do better next time. Over to you!!

[Self loading bear]

It might be that this has been played before.
But not in color:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/798x486/3f66876a_601b_400d_a024_f30bcb38e96a_accd409ea4be581d7e1f34f ddc1f9b3e48955358.jpeg

[Sideshow Bob]

The control columns look a bit like a (old) Beech

[Self loading bear]

The control columns look a bit like a (old) Beech
It is a one-off but build by professional manufacturer(s).
No idea were they acquired all parts but it is not considered American because of the yokes.

[Self loading bear]

Time for some clues:
It already featured in 2009 in black and white.
From his preferences displayed in these threads I would have expected a reply from JHieminga.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/271x186/bb3018e2_5c46_499c_b975_243d1723be89_c0b4453b545a088844261b1 45ee994daed02d032.jpeg

[Jhieminga]

I'm trying hard SLB.... but I haven't cracked this particular puzzle yet.

I'm guessing a European two-seater with perhaps a strange engine placement seeing as the RPM indicator has some yellow bands. That might be due to a propshaft harmonic issue.... but I'm really guessing here. The fact that it has two recent Trig radios in that colour shot implies that it still flies, or did until recently.

[Self loading bear]

50 years of flight ended in 2018 in a museum.

4-seater actually

[Asturias56]

Is the museum in the Netherlands?

[Self loading bear]

No in Germany.
(that’s where Jelle normally get’s his Inspiration for one-off built challenges)

[rotarywrench]

It sure has some MBB 223 Flamingo heritage central pedestal, same knobs, size, and vintage but of course not the yokes and panel are totally different.

[Self loading bear]

It sure has some MBB 223 Flamingo heritage central pedestal, same knobs, size, and vintage but of course not the yokes and panel are totally different.

Then you have one of the contributing manufacturers.
Shouldn’t take long now.

[Self loading bear]

Time for a last clue:
The aircraft has no metallic structure.

[Archer4]

Is this the MBB 223-M4? MBB 223 fitted with a Porsche engine. And currently in the museum in Schleissheim, Munich?

[Self loading bear]

No it is not an aircraft built by MBB alone but MBB contributed the Glassfibre knowledge for this plane.

[rotarywrench]

MBB / Siebelwerke ATG GmbH (SIAT) 223 Flamingo ? It was also built under license by CASA in Spain, but I do not know the variant/engine.

[Self loading bear]

I am starting to doubt if this would help?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x791/c15d9093_f91d_4908_9f9c_a36897061e49_a9f8e631418dcfdab164c3a 0ae85f517554b77d1.jpeg

[asw28-866]

LFU205, interesting experimental aircraft, exploring the then new application of GRP construction for powered aircraft. The German glider fraternity were very much in the same realm as construction moved from wood/fabric to GRP. Nothing to hand so OH I’m afraid if correct.

An interesting challenge too!

[Self loading bear]

ASW finally got it right with the Leichtflugtechnik-Union (LFU) consortium 205.

Indeed initially build to research use of GRP in small aircraft.
From there is was used to measure drag and lift, study boundary layer and transition from laminar flow into tubulencey. Then testing laminar flow airfoils. Last testing was measuring influence of sun radiation into temperature of the wing surface.

Open House declared.

[Jhieminga]

Interesting type, but I had never heard of it before :uhoh: It turned up at Schleissheim after my last visit to the place...

[asw28-866]

Think I've used it before (photo is by me in my then machine), but appropriate to the theme started by SLB and the LFU205...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1342/518ckpt_93476f4c71399f51b3a591018b3fa04d43bde00f.jpg
(will happily withdraw if someone has something new to hand)

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/316x211/screenshot_2021_02_25_at_14_00_57_7017316bb4a80e24fbc8a1d105 25e2c69ced736f.png
I reckon that's a Libelle Condor...and if it flies as exquisitely as it looks I want one!

[asw28-866]

Close enough Meleagertoo,

It is the cockpit of my then glider a, Glasflugel H-201 Libelle. Linkage with the LFU205 it that it set the standard for GRP sailplane construction in the late 1960's. Particularly for it's use of a foam, rather than balsa, sandwich construction for the wings. Something like 600 built, which for the sailplane fraternity is enormous.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1258/518_314dfcef81dd7e853fed8106ff67d26475300107.jpg

And yes, quite delightful to fly, though rather light and lacking in high speed polar performance by modern standards.

Meleagertoo has control.

[UV]

Asw28, If this was “which aerodrome” I would say that pic of your Libelle was taken at Bidford?

[asw28-866]

UV, and you would be correct! 518 was based at Duxford/Gransden Lodge with what was then Cambridge University Gliding Club. However for a period around 1990 a family group would convene at Bidford, hosted by Barry and Mo, for a gliding holiday.

Happy days.

[meleagertoo]

Open House again.

[Noyade]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x449/scan0466_6beb4a36729ccf7e855239478d65287c0b8db486.jpg

[Noyade]

Fourteen built. Last two were named Everest and Enterprise.

[India Four Two]

Everest and Enterprise.

Let’s not forget Egeria, Elsinore, Euterpe, Ettrick, Elysian, Endymion, Eddystone, Elysean and Euryalus. All members of the Ensign class, which was the name of the prototype A.W. 27.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x926/0317821_1a5154e3625d868a2c0aea347737df33017df2b4.jpg


I can only find twelve names. Were the other two unnamed?

[cavuman1]

Eeyore and Euchre?

- Ed ;)

[Noyade]

I can only find twelve names. Were the other two unnamed?

I have...

Ensign
Egeria (was to be transferred to India Trans-Continental Airways as Ellora - but prevented by the outbreak of war)
Elsinore
Euterpe
Explorer
Eddystone
Ettrick
Empyrean
Elysian
Euryalus
Echo
Endymion
Everest
Enterprise.

But Ensign was enough for me - over to you India.

[India Four Two]

Thanks Noyade,

A very elegant-looking aircraft but I wonder if the fin was large enough for the engine-out cases.

Sorry, no new cockpit photos in my Quizzes folder, so Open House.

[Self loading bear]

To fill the Open House:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/720x960/ff76a548_ca41_45e0_80b8_3de04678f274_5f048245eef413f11914284 e45ee9300f0dd29d7.jpeg

[asw28-866]

Is the image reversed perhaps?

[Self loading bear]

Is the image reversed perhaps?

No, the David Clark headset logo is readable.

[Asturias56]

The brown striped cushion under the purple one is Sears Roebuck 1960's fabric - the best example is the recliner used by Frasier's dad in the TV series - not the height of designer chic........

[India Four Two]

American homebuilt?

[Self loading bear]

American homebuilt?

American factory built

[Self loading bear]

The brown striped cushion under the purple one is Sears Roebuck 1960's fabric - the best example is the recliner used by Frasier's dad in the TV series - not the height of designer chic........

Good to know that. I think however that the Sears Roebuck was already a second recover of the original.

[Self loading bear]

The cushions in the front cockpit are in better shape

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/537x711/bbc3a235_3d92_442e_bdad_644139ff59a2_a468b298ec10076be3b59ae c5f8b1e64eed6545a.jpeg

[Noyade]

New Standard D-25?

[Self loading bear]

New Standard D-25?

Indeed, You have control.

[Noyade]

Thank you SLB.

Should be easy....?


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x473/pprune_40aea92976d27b5987efb94d9ec504d5b53ab0bd.jpg

[Sideshow Bob]

Side by side seating pilot and wso, twin engine, 60s avionics; got to be a F1-11

[Self loading bear]

To fill the time till 24 hrs:
I was looking in the thread
Aircraft with unusual landing gear configurations
This because of the indicator lights:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/149x138/1b089fd1_f5fd_4772_bfb9_73928afe76bc_67391cdf5fbe4c145e88232 5dfea191fb9b48d5c.jpeg
No success, but I think we can post it there also:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/512x269/6b575a5d_5401_4bfe_b8d4_dd9b348969e7_f06bb9fb6b4afa325f26228 45c6c3ce9945dc96f.png

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x480/84278c7a_49df_4f08_98ea_29373334261f_80b3da6ba1676628c2f1ada 3ff6f6c38daf35435.jpeg

[Terry Dactil]

The F-111 gear:
Unusual arrangement, but it seems to work well. :ok:
https://youtu.be/UnMUEjlJg6A

[Sideshow Bob]

I've always been fascinated by the F1-11 ejection capsule concept. It must of been a little strange for those who did eject.

[Noyade]

Side by side seating pilot and wso, twin engine, 60s avionics; got to be a F1-11


Yep. All yours Bob. :ok:

Dunno why, but I was impressed with the coffee thermos embedded at the back....


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x473/thermos_3be914b8a6090261449e657ca02387e2b45feeea.jpg

[Sideshow Bob]

Open house

[Sideshow Bob]

As no one has taken the open house invite, I'll offer this one up. It's a bit easy but the only one I have to hand.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/507x620/picture1_2d3dd1c9542d3228766327708100d50ab519db53.jpg

[dixi188]

Wow. 90 degrees of bank. zero ft., 33 knots and total electrical failure.;)
No idea.

[PEI_3721]

Looks like Smiths instruments, cross pointer FD, SEP 6 type AP servo indicator, large rad alt, twin turbo prop - red beta lights?
Square shutter system indicators.
Perhaps a 748, BA flight deck version and equipment.

or

Andover

[Sideshow Bob]

Wow. 90 degrees of bank. zero ft., 33 knots and total electrical failure.;)
No idea.
under normal conditions the aircraft would be between 200 to 500ft at 220kts and up to 60 degrees of bank. Definitely not a prop or a twin but sometimes flown as a twin.

[sycamore]

issa helo ,or something like an Osprey(V-22)......?

[India Four Two]

The altimeter sub-scale is millibars only, so definitely not American.

[asw28-866]

No idea from the original image, but the clues have pointed me towards the Nimrod MR2.

Nothing to hand so OH I'm afraid if correct.

'866

[Terry Dactil]

It looks like the Nimrod's AHs go to sleep on their side when not powered.
I wonder if that is an intentional feature?
Probably a great British design to go on one of the world's ugliest aircraft :E
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x280/5d9f340368ed68c084e0695151f243b2_8dbead9271d15fabdabb1426891 be8990f06845b.jpg

[Sideshow Bob]

No idea from the original image, but the clues have pointed me towards the Nimrod MR2.

Nothing to hand so OH I'm afraid if correct.

'866

It certainly is the P1 panel from the Mighty Hunter. There's a reason the horizon topples to 90 degrees; I could explain but it's been a long time and the flight instruments are not exactly straight forward (the picture is actually from the ground school Flight Instruments lesson slides!).

For those wondering about the 'flown as a twin' comment, The Speys (RB.168 Mk.250) were at their most efficient at 92% RPM so to keep them in that band on task, we'd shutdown (or idle) engines on task to conserve fuel (obviously dependent on AUW and Alt).

[Noyade]

Another...


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x607/scan0495_249a7913022a97b1af86abac8c29b49f5bc482bc.jpg

[Noyade]

Fast.
Floater.
Italian.

[Noyade]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x266/scan0496_e1db0e3014cfdda0f15327aff0333d2e0fe2faff.jpg

[Sideshow Bob]

The picture gives it away, it so looks like a Schneider Trophy aircraft. Built for the 1930 race but wasn't finished on time; did establish a speed record in 1934 though. My guess is the Macchi Castoldi MC-72. Open house if right.

[Noyade]

Macchi Castoldi MC-72.
Open house if right.


That's him Bob. :ok:

Open House.

[Self loading bear]

I found this cockpit in state of despair during restauration
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1124/eadaecb7_3809_4452_801e_ca074fa12442_871bd3ba988433e0b233353 d797b44854c094017.jpeg

[Self loading bear]

Same type but completely different dashboard
(Other instruments as well)

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/460x614/81b79445_4021_4942_8d91_717e7a6026f2_8fc87af7afc4fbab3a1f2da e33136b4a3952c98a.jpeg

[Self loading bear]

Not many takers or not many triggered?
The type was produced in single seat with high back and low back.
The two seater (I think) only as high back.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/744x418/534b5d7a_649f_4510_b82f_75eb8e9577da_609e4b4e74fc965c2973b73 7cf093d2800bfb1ad.jpeg

[Asturias56]

VNE 400 mph - not a Biplane then?

[UV]

A few strange things...

The Manifold Pressure gauge in the last pic is marked “2” meaning a multi engined aircraft. However the gauge in the other pic before is not so marked. I’m assuming it is a single engined aircraft, using a gash MP Gauge.

The speed limitations are placarded in MPH but the ASI is calibrated in knots. Surely not good practice?

VC (max cruise speed) is placarded as 270 MPH but the speed on the ASI (top of the green arc) is 280 Knots. A big difference....Is that right or have I got something wrong here?

So is it a high performance, single engine, American, Warbird type and tail wheel judging by the nose up attitude?

[Self loading bear]

UV
I am sorry when I have let you off onto the wrong track.
With my remark of a completely different dashboard and instruments I was hoping you would concentrate on the surroundings of the cockpit and not the non-original instruments.
This particular aircraft has probably been completely renewed for instruments.
Original instruments were in different units and other alfabet.

I don’t know much about speeds, perhaps somebody else can shed a light on that after the type is revealed.

Yes, high performance, monoplane, war era, tail dragger
1 more different cockpit:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x529/87eb3ae8_2eb9_404e_8617_5b34ed206af5_239d99334ea79f3c79a7fbe 256496e879cff6436.jpeg

[asw28-866]

Post 2196 gave away the lineage for me, looks distinctly Yakalov. As to which one, the high/low/ back, single/two-seat, sentence leads me to suggest, YAK-7.

'866

[Self loading bear]

Post 2196 gave away the lineage for me, looks distinctly Yakalov. As to which one, the high/low/ back, single/two-seat, sentence leads me to suggest, YAK-7.

'866

866 nailed it with the Yak-7

The floor is yours.
I think the photos are all -7Bs but no one can tell when they all differ.

Who knows more about the speeds of this bird?

[Jhieminga]

Looks like they just threw any instrument they could find into it. I suspect that the original Russian books and instruments may have used km/h to keep things interesting (or am I confusing Russian and German cockpits here...?), so the Vne number may be from one translation of the Russian documents and the instrument is perhaps based on something else again. Indeed, not good practice, but registered as 'experimental' so more or less the owner/operator's problem... :}

[asw28-866]

Apologies for tardy response, had to go and do some work! Try this one...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x480/wc020421_0a141e8e2d08fa66a93d86ff951f72b5b5c95708.jpg

[asw28-866]

Original, un-modernised cockpit...
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1090x910/wc020421b_1928f374d0a6cf7d088f31c2fa108161add9607e.jpg

[ex82watcher]

Nice shelf there for your coffee,sandwiches etc.

[Jhieminga]

In those days, it was more likely used for the ashtray...

[asw28-866]

Quite right, this is the swinging sixties after all, aircraft developed by well known manufacturer to take on the Cessna 172.

[asw28-866]

External view showing rather D.H. Leopard Moth like strut arrangement (for the same reason, to facilitate wing folding)...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/470x470/wc020421c_2765905a097eda56d95f6f2b4ddfc80b169fb552.jpg

[BSD]

Could it be.......

The BN3 Nymph?

That featured folding wings. Don’t think they built quite as many of them as Cessna did of the 172.

[asw28-866]

BSD has it with the BN3 Nymph, one built, still airworthy and still IoW based (apparently for sale on a UK website), the Pathe news film from 1969 is wonderful!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5qrh4JpAvY

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1250x767/nymph_16ec88d9273f7a1f3cfce83aa09ec527442d7c88.jpg

BSD has control.

[BSD]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/f33d0bb5_5582_486b_aaa5_923408a879ef_923f2f7ab5e14b01f3b91f7 f6fbc820ff73827d6.jpeg
Yay! Try this. Hopefully with my limited IT skills I’ve managed to conceal the type - shown on the panel!

[asw28-866]

No idea, but will attempt to narrow the field.

Homebuilt, UK registered, wood/fabric, two-seater, tailwheel, VW engine?

How many out of six?

'866

[BSD]

asw - 4. It isn’t VW powered and it isn’t (as far as I can tell) a homebuilt.

As to where it was built - think of a John Betjeman poem.......

[Asturias56]

Slough??? or somewhere a bit more bucolic?

[BSD]

Asturias,

Slough is spot on. Though I think this was built after he implored "the friendly bombs to fall on Slough"

[meleagertoo]

Bucolic, or alcoholic?

[Self loading bear]

If I am right there is also a connection with Sloinge.

[BSD]

Sloinge? Sweden? Hmmm. I can't see that connection myself. Could be something I haven't spotted though.

However, though I believe it was built in Slough, it has connections with 2 other countries in mainland Europe. One of them Bear, being a neighbour of yours.....

Lovely looking little aeroplane though.

[sycamore]

E.O. T, not PG...?

[UV]

Tipsy Trainer? OH if correct.

[BSD]

UV - It is indeed the Tipsy Trainer. This one is G-AFWT, no. 13.

The European connections are: Belgium (the designer) and Czechoslovakia (a Walter Mikron engine)

I'd failed to spot Sycamore's reference E.O.T as being Ernest Oscar Tips, the Belgian born designer and Sloinge, the museum in Sweden where one can be found, but a kindly PM from the Netherlands showed me the light.

I'm always impressed at how quickly these challenges fall.

[UV]

I'm always impressed at how quickly these challenges fall.

I think sycamore was already on to this and meleargertoo was probably also in the know with his “alcoholic” comment re. Tipsy.

After Slough was mentioned as the place of manufacture all I had to was google “aircraft built in Slough”!!

OH please.

[Asturias56]

what you have to remember is that in searching for the "current challenge" the more obsessive of us (:}) look at a A LOT of other images - so when one comes up chances are people have seen it or something similar before

[sycamore]

Or,if we can cobble the brain cells together ,remember having flown it about 45 yrs ago ..! rather like flying an open top Triumph TR3....on a fine summer`s day......

[Asturias56]

We also attended a lot of airshows - when they were fun................

[Self loading bear]

The really obsessive have probably put the photos in their file “future challenges”.
and then moan that you have posted their next challenge!!!
(it wasn’t me,.....,,this time;-)

[BSD]

Ditto to all of the above for me too. The pictures I've posted have all been taken by me, mostly on my i-phone and then kept - waiting for a suitable moment to contribute! The one I though would be the best challenge went in a heartbeat when someone spotted I'd left the registration in full view. Doh!

Hours of endless fun to be had on this and the "which aerodrome" thread!

Cheers to all.

[Self loading bear]

Shall we honor HRH Prince Philip with a multiple challenge?

May he fly on the highest flight level in fair winds.

(As he has flown in 59 types; please feel free to extend the challenge with more photos)

1)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/412x664/5a5f3b73_c379_4c1b_85ad_a50190e49cbd_ffad6c84db4ea7cb621f663 fd99361316033ec01.jpeg


2)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1300x1013/800c2ae1_b67f_4a25_95b2_ae8bcfed163c_01617e6b995156b961a8ae4 acad50a4d52dc39db.jpeg

3)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/448x543/977b46b2_8521_4cef_9b11_0210e3b9d836_a39888912fa38051a936dc3 a3e5d006841b745c2.jpeg

4)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/960x720/6e72d8ad_22d9_432b_a6cf_d5e0dc4cbfd0_f074fb00ac8c65ba81fc543 66910e5d7d0620244.jpeg

5)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1100x732/b4016141_62f1_4978_ad20_9d2e9c103285_09c8c7f6d750cd9e2dbbeb3 958c61ea0d157f1f5.jpeg

6)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/523x297/8b9657f6_e4b4_47b4_9b4e_2590b213a692_2f80993ce0bd056053f5303 784e8beaaf7de8e30.jpeg

7)

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/736x784/efa417cd_435d_4956_817b_12ccf3e68d59_f1882b8710541c97c6a157b a4a032e13f5e75b29.jpeg

[Asturias56]

How do we decide who has won? Marks out of 7??

[Self loading bear]

How do we decide who has won? Marks out of 7??

something like that.

But everyone can easily increase his own score if you add some pictures too!

8)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1093x604/95af489e_8932_473f_8567_b303ef31d3ad_86e0dd78ecb603d28bdb64d 140e376a5e539a5a0.jpeg

9)

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x556/7befdf20_52e2_4752_a020_aafb50e90e6e_25d47b0095a34aac4807bb4 22fc29ed097b2b8fb.jpeg

[sycamore]

1.Glider.
2.Different glider
3.Whirlwind 12
4.B757
5.BAe146
6.Andover
7.Whirlwind Mk7
8.`Bridge of `HMS Beverly`
9Jetstream.

[UV]

1.The glider is an Eagle, a high performance two seater at the time. Derek Piggott in the back seat. Ann Welsh and Peter Scott looking on?
2 Second glider a Skylark 2 or 3

[Self loading bear]

I am afraid Syca scores 4 out of 9.
Who will take the lead?

[Self loading bear]

With no other answers or added photos forthcoming I give Sycamore the lead with a score of 4
I want to thank UV for identification of the Skylark. That was also a question mark for me.

There is a short film of the visit of Prince Philip to the Bristol gliding club:
Bristol Gliding Club (https://bggc.co.uk/about-the-club/bggc-history/)

Slingsby Eagle
Skylark 2 or 3?
1965 Westland Whirlwind HCC.12
Boeing 757 1982 Seattle
Hawker Siddeley Trident 1C
Hawker Siddeley HS-780 Andover Algeria El Asnam 1980
Whirlwind HAR.1 or HAR.2 1956
Blackburn Beverly
Another Andover (definitely no Jetstream)

[sycamore]

Thanks SLB,but it is Open House.....

[Sideshow Bob]

Since it's been two weeks, here's an easy one to get thread back up the list
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/898x720/20201222_180520_27d91aecad7aa55f2441d356b0a0a9150373f263.jpg

[oncemorealoft]

Lockheed Tristar. OH please if correct.

[asw28-866]

I concur, I think OMA has it with the Tristar, now we wait for clock...

[Meikleour]

The thumb trim wheel is a dead giveaway!

[Sideshow Bob]

Lockheed Tristar. OH please if correct.
absolutely right did say it was easy. Tristar KC1 ZD952 (ex-BA -500) in the cruise.

[Asturias56]

here's an oldie

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/398x327/2021_04_30_112719_8fabc8eeace158a177d59db5567c169c340297e6.j pg

[kenparry]

Sea Vixen?

[Asturias56]

Well that didn't last long................................... :{

Over to Ken

[kenparry]

Thank you. Nothing to hand , sorry, so OH

[Self loading bear]

One according the books

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1031x1432/7d47768b_499b_46cd_afda_1fa37631668a_58874e5d040d00194b0180c 1d6de3d1aa02a20cb.jpeg

[Self loading bear]

Not (m)any takers?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/132x58/e20736b0_4c25_4496_bfba_1a25ad2611f0_9f2ce831a7fd808045ee323 220ccf01e85f53642.jpeg

[asw28-866]

Not a very good soaring machine I suspect, but plenty of room downstairs!

[Noyade]

Not a very good soaring machine I suspect, but plenty of room downstairs!

Ahh...the penny drops with a thud. Thanks for the clues! :ok:

The General Aircraft GAL49 Hamilcar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Aircraft_Hamilcar


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/455x359/hamilcar_0309fcbcf869ce5f1ff43230172ce1c146580b97.png

[Asturias56]

Why did it need two pilots?

[dixi188]

Why did it need two pilots?
Better survival chance when being shot at?