What Cockpit?

[CoodaShooda]

Bucker Bu131?

[MReyn24050]

Bucker Bu131?

Not the Bucker Bu131

[dook]

Morning Mr. 24050.

I've been looking at an Ilyushin but the cockpit isn't right.

[MReyn24050]

Morning Mr. 24050.

I've been looking at an Ilyushin but the cockpit isn't right.

Morning Dook try the other manufacturing country you suggested.

[dook]

Are we thus looking at a Luftwaffe single seat fighter or that of a non-German nation ?

Cawz I can't find it. :uhoh:

[evansb]

Possibly the Lake Starnberger Arado Ar-66 ? I changed my answer from the Ar.231 as only two were built and were both scrapped.

[dook]

Might be the 199.

[MReyn24050]

Possibly the Lake Starnberger Arado Ar-66 ? I changed my answer from the Ar.231 as only two were built and were both scrapped.

You have it. It was indeed the Arado Ar 66 recovered from Starnberger See. You have control.

[Asturias56]

The new rules of this thread baffle me, as do the procedures and functions of modern day APPs on my mobile. 7 more hours until I post a new challenge? I have no idea.

The clock starts when the picture is posted - 15:04 on the 8th Feb. The poster is not supposed to confirm a correct answer until 24 hours have passed (ie 15:04 on the 9th) at which point the winner can post a new challenge or declare OH

We all agree it's not a very good system but that's what the Mods have decreed. It has slowed things down a bit but the standard of the challenges - and the clues - are getting better I think

[Self loading bear]

A Challenge shoild run at least 24hrs before the winner is declared.
MReyn’s challenge ran more than 24 hrs.
You are free to post immediately.
Only if there would be an open house, regulars are requested not to jump in immediately.
(but the time frame on that is tentative)

[evansb]

So be it. Here is the next mystery cockpit:https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/788x478/hyujjzv_439e2c720ddb015981f07956e653f91db2b21542.jpg

[dook]

Pretty basic, so maybe a trainer.

ASI in km/h and VSI in m/sec., so I think European. Either the ASI is very optimistic or it's a fast aeroplane.

I can't make out the configuration but possibly a biplane or high-wing mono.

[evansb]

You are on the right track.

[Asturias56]

are some of the instrument markings in Cyrillic?

[dook]

Maybe Polish or Hungarian.

[sycamore]

" Y M C A....." singalong......

[evansb]

I don't know what sycamore is implying, The aircraft is not amateur built. The aircraft entered serial production and over 80 examples were produced.

[sycamore]

E, just implying that ,`the next word is..?

[evansb]

I still don't know what you are talking about. Forgive me, for I am old. Do you have an inkling on what the mystery cockpit is?

[dook]

I don't understand what he's talking about either.

I did ask previously if it was Polish or Hungarian.

[evansb]

Hey dook, the answer is YES!

[dook]

Cheers.

Time to flip a coin.....

[evansb]

As a hint, there is a pristine example collecting dust in a museum.

[dook]

An RWD...….?

Polish Aviation Museum possibly.

[sycamore]

Bit further SE...Levente II,Strucc.....
Reference earlier to YMCA was the song by` Village People`.....next word was `Young man (Jungmann).....but it wasn`t..
You guys must have led a very sheltered life...!!!!!

[evansb]

It is indeed the Hungarian Levente II trainer. sycamore has control.

[sycamore]

Okay ,try this one...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1069x810/new_c04051366624f4bcfd5d72f85f771b0e3fc7967b.jpg

[dixi188]

High performance retractable single, aero's, "G" meter. 400+ knots.
Feathered Prop. PT6? Not enough engine controls though.
1970/80s instruments and radios.
Looks like British cars outside.
Hangar, Cranfield?

[sycamore]

I think the ASI is kph.....not a PT-6,and it looks like a second `condition/proplever is to left of throttle on centre console.
Can`t comment about cars or Cranfield,but it may be,if it was at F`boro....

[dook]

I think this must be a European military trainer.

I have flown the tandem sear PC9, which only had single-lever control as per a jet, with no condition control.

I am wondering if it's Italian. Onwards...….

[dook]

Maybe the SIAI-Marchetti SF.260.

[dook]

No - it's the Aermacchi M290.

[sycamore]

No ,it`s not........

[Jamesel]

dook (https://www.pprune.org/members/472860-dook). No - it's the Aermacchi M290.

Interesting, looks like you can NOT trust the Wikipedia illustration captions after all.....

[Jhieminga]

Guess we'll have to move further North.

[dook]

I'm baffled.

The full title in the Wiki article is Aermacchi M-290 TP Redigo, originally a Valmet design named Valmet L-90 TP Redigo.

I accept that Wiki is not reliable but something is wrong here.

[Jhieminga]

I guess the Valmet L-90 TP is what Sycamore was looking for.

[sycamore]

As we`re nearly there,it is the Valmet L-90 TP,OH-VTP,one of the 2 prototypes.All` Redigos` were produced by Valmet,and none by Aermacchi,as when they bought the production rights,the world was looking at tandem turboprop/jet trainers ,ie Tincans,PC-9/21,Texan 2,and not side-by-side trainers.....
On balance `dook` has the keys......as mentioned in #1536

[dixi188]

Not PT6 then, but Allison 250B17. I played with those on the first turbine Islander.

[sycamore]

Dixie,there is a photo of an American reg.Redigo with a 5 blader,so that will probably be a PT6 or a Walter...

[dook]

Cheers sycamore.

Next one....

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/551x400/thursday_e41189f33c15aa9cf1d5350cd61a6ef706024a68.jpg

[Asturias56]

classy looking trim on the cockpit wall.................. :oh:

[MReyn24050]

Noorduyn Norseman perhaps?

[dook]

MReyn has the Noorduyn Norseman and takes the thread.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Dook try this one:-
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x551/pprune28_56f8b224482ad9fa27dc72df645b0826c40c645f.jpg

[Jhieminga]

Is that Jim Wright's Hughes H-1 Racer replica?

[MReyn24050]

Is that Jim Wright's Hughes H-1 Racer replica?
Sorry for the delay, You have it. It isw the Wright-Hughes H-1 aircraft. You have control.

[Jhieminga]

Let’s try this one:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/873x505/screenshot_140220_0572dd3b15a044d6746a6e55c4eb662139e9945d.j pg

[dook]

Triple brake pressure gauge.

British ?

[MReyn24050]

Interesting aircraft. Through an aperture behind the right seat, left rudder peddle one can see the structure of a forward bay!. Are those levers in the centre of the control yokes brake release levers?

[dook]

It's the relative positions of the yokes which intrigue me - as in Lisinov.

[Jhieminga]

Indeed, there is a bit of space forward of the cockpit. No idea about the other issues I'm afraid...

[dook]

Whilst I doubt it, is it Russian ?

[Jhieminga]

No, not Russian.

[dook]

I'll shoot at something from Martin.

[bafanguy]

Through an aperture behind the right seat, left rudder peddle one can see the structure of a forward bay!. Are those levers in the centre of the control yokes brake release levers?

Yes, what are those levers on the yokes ?

And the rudder pedals don't appear to have brakes on them.

The forward bay area doesn't appear accessible from the cockpit (tight squeeze). Maybe an amphibian ?

[dook]

The levers must be brake levers. Beneath the yokes are shrouded cables.

[sycamore]

Fokker S-13 trainer,1 off,cockpit in a Museum.....

[MReyn24050]

Fokker S-13 trainer,1 off,cockpit in a Museum.....
I reckon Sycamore has it. Have not found a complete image of the panel but have found an image of the Fokker S.13's Control Yoke with the brake lever. which is identical to that of the challenge aircraft. .

[dook]

Well, here's one Mel.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x430/s_13_07f06a3199e88e132f1e67745d135c10689e89a6.png

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Dook. So have I now, it is like London Busses one minute there are none in sight then dozens come along. Good challenge though all the same.

[Jhieminga]

Sycamore has control!
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49542275228_ca31f7cd95_c.jpg
by Jelle Hieminga (https://www.flickr.com/photos/102686263@N02/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49542301368_d8b38c6660_c.jpg
by Jelle Hieminga (https://www.flickr.com/photos/102686263@N02/), on Flickr

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x400/1581862478_d7bcc0bc2530ba813d8d83b56b97f13d98b2ede1.jpeg

[sycamore]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x1000/inkedstandard_retina_rymowiy6suyowykkjuql_front1_li_bd12d138 24f19ef30225523c82d9f7ee1a822376.jpg
A birthday present for you all,as it`s my birthday....just back from the pub....
I have.flown this in the USA......

[dook]

Happy birthday you old sod.

g meter goes from +10 to -4 I think.

[sycamore]

+6-3 normal limits....

[Jhieminga]

There are some Piper parts in there, but I cannot make out what it could be. Is it a kit-built aircraft or has it been in production?

Happy birthday by the way!

[sycamore]

j,thank you,39 (again)!.....not homebuilt,but limited production...

[Jhieminga]

The only type I can come up with is the PA-28R-300 Pillán (or T-35).

[dook]

That's more than I have done. All I could find is the Temco Buckaroo (26 built).

[meleagertoo]

What do we know?

mid '70s to mid '80s
Tandem 2 seat trainer thus military application
Low/medium power normally aspirated piston engine (no redline on manifold gauge)
Not fast - VNe 200Kts, Vmo 150
Retractable tricycle gear

Edit.

The blue tint of the panel sent me East and encouraged by the very similar Czech UTVA Lasta I found the PZL M26 Iskierka.

What a smashing little toy. I want one!

[sycamore]

Nail,head,hit..Mel..
A very comfortable aircraft to fly with a good performance,considering it has Seneca wings,tail,u/c ,engine...only 14 built..
there are a few videos on u-tube of it doing aeros,which it does very well..progenitor of the Orlik...
Over to you MEL.

[Jhieminga]

I'll have one too! The rudder pedals and gear lights, as well as some other stuff, were clearly Piper. As they had no military trainers in their line-up I went and looked abroad. I did find the T-35, but didn't know that the Seneca had been built under licence. Learned something today.

[sycamore]

I thought you hawks would have noticed the engine oil/temp/pressure /cht gauge familiar on most `Soviet ` influenced aircraft,as ,whilst looking standard,it is `colour-coded as well/,even on jets....Dulux must do well with that blue paint..!

[Asturias56]

Always thought it interesting that when Microsoft/IBM were looking at a background colour for various versions of Windows they landed on almost exactly the same shade of blue as the Russians had done years before - restful and a very good background to place other information

Of course some Apple freaks think this proves that MS & Bill gates were in fact part of the Evil Empire............... :ok:

[Jhieminga]

I thought you hawks would have noticed the engine oil/temp/pressure /cht gauge familiar on most `Soviet ` influenced aircraft,as ,whilst looking standard,it is `colour-coded as well/,even on jets.
I got distracted by the US hardware. The fact that the RPM indicator is digital pushed me further towards a US design. But I promise I won't forget it from here on.... ;)

[sycamore]

As `mel` hasn`t taken up the cudgels,then I think it`s time for` Open House.......`

[dook]

However, there may be a good reason why he has not yet been able to get back.

[Self loading bear]

We could have declared Open house after 48hrs when there would be consensus from multiple posters. But Dook is not in “consensus”
Let’s wait till 72 hrs.
Then Mel could always take up a future Open house.

[dook]

"But Dook is not in “consensus”"

I just thought he may have had a valid reason for not posting such as being hospitalised or a family problem. It has happened before.

However, three days have now passed so I will go along with OH.

[meleagertoo]

Sorry guys, got distracred and didn't return to say OH.

[dook]

Let's get this thread rolling again.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/459x500/thurs_263af8117d24c94fd3b91e19b7fa099d5b548bfe.jpg

[Jamesel]

The few extra engine instruments across the top makes me think of a prototype or engine testbed? Prevents me from giving a lightning quick answer......

[dook]

Prototype fighter.

[Jhieminga]

It's a twin, and most instruments point towards a WWII US contraption, so I'm going out on a limb and say: P-38 Lightning. I reserve the right to correct myself later though...

Edit: on second thought, I'll take the McDonnell XP-67 Bat, as the Lightning has a different control column arrangement.

[dook]

Sorry, but it's not a P38.

[Jhieminga]

I edited before I saw your post.... :rolleyes:

[dook]

That's a hit with the XP67 Moonbat.

Your stage.

[Jhieminga]

Let's try this, probably an easy one:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/447x508/screenshot_210220_50fcf9460c0fe975e9e734e675209bf1b0aebf74.j pg

[Fly.Buy]

Let's try this, probably an easy one:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/447x508/screenshot_210220_50fcf9460c0fe975e9e734e675209bf1b0aebf74.j pg
Armstrong Whitworth Argosy??

[sycamore]

First thoughts are Fairey Rotodyne,but the instruments are more 60-70s than 50s...So is this the Bell XV-15 early model,as the similar gauges on the right look like system,g`box ts& ps....?

[Jhieminga]

Not an Argosy, not the Rotodyne either. And it’s not the XV-15.

[meleagertoo]

Two sets of 8 (rh bank only half visible) apparently identical gauges numbered 1 - 8 vertically.
A rotary selector above them with 12 selections.
Two huge temperature gauges.
Daylight visible through the panel so a glazed nose.
Twin turbine but extra levers
Retractable gear.
Wing flaps - lots - to c.60'
Does the panel above the flap position indicator say 'FEET'? - meaning height or legs?
RCDI to +/- 6000fpm so it's no slouch.
Very odd gauge below and left of the T handle...numbered to minus or down 16 and pos or up 14

An early tiltrotor type?

[sycamore]

Blown Buffalo

[meleagertoo]

Buffalo engine controls are overhead...

[dook]

The percentage rpm indicators are of typically British military type.

[Self loading bear]

Dornier Do-31
Do-31 (https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dornier_Do-31-E3_D-9531_VTOL_Cockpit_Close_DMFO_10June2013_(14400460977).jpg)

[Jhieminga]

Self Loading Bear has control. The Do-31 is correct. It was Do-31 E3 ‘D-9531’ at Flugwerft Schleissheim.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Jelle,
Not so straightforward as you thought. Just because Syca and Mel were mentioning the Tilt rotor twice put me on the track of V(S)TOL.

Now this beautiful arranged dash. I had to fog the windscreen as the same type is standing in front of the aircraft.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1334x617/ebb7e800_d32b_4425_8f28_e01b493e1824_6e07cde396d170be41131a3 4b48062575bf8aa10.jpeg

[meleagertoo]

Superb challenge, the Dornier!

I was all over VTOL and tiltrotors and didn't find this one despite having all those clues. I even thought (honest!) the cranked lever looked Harrier.

[Jhieminga]

Glad you liked it :p

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49578206876_4a9d2aa6b4_c.jpgDO-31_E3_240714 by Jelle Hieminga, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49578434442_f6b2e0eeca_c.jpgDO-31_cockpit_240714 by Jelle Hieminga, on Flickr

[Asturias56]

The challenge looks like smart aircraft - a kit?

[Self loading bear]

It is not a kit.
But to say that sales of this 4 seater have not yet lifted off is an understatement.

Dash and interior are upto your own choice
(this one is not mine)

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1093x595/e850f895_eed4_445a_948b_a19d20a02c0f_b82eb6b9ea0bc3a7005287e a02fd9c9a912e956b.jpeg

[Asturias56]

The pink leather isn't to my taste TBH - American?

[MReyn24050]

East European possibly?

[Self loading bear]

East European definitely

[Jhieminga]

Margański & Mysłowski EM-11 Orka

[Self loading bear]

Margański & Mysłowski EM-11 Orka

Is this turning into a Dutch parlour game?
EM-11
first flight 2003
certification 2011
Somewhere on the web it is stated that production has been moved to China?
I have no idea how many are flying

Jelle has control

[Jhieminga]

The Eastern European hint told me where to look, so blame that ;)
Let's see how long this one will last.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/753x458/screenshot_270220_843e5724f64a273b9033c3d74e82194561bc25b7.j pg

[dook]

It looks like a twin jet and one of the fuel gauges is marked "carburant" so is it French ?

[sycamore]

M-S 760 Paris II.....RPM gauge goes to 26000..

[Jhieminga]

sycamore has control!

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x670/im000978_resize_a75a124f782ae45c5c4db3ccd0bb273333c6d034.jpg

[sycamore]

Nice little wizzer,noisier than Vampires.....the ex-mils I`ve seen had sticks instead of columns/wheels,and the MkIII had column/wheel thru the panel....
Sorry,gotta be OH...

[Jhieminga]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/449x452/screenshot_280220_9353f3b13846b0680580ac600eff1d1df41e958f.j pg
In that case.... my plan B from yesterday can have a go!

[eckhard]

Ford Tri-motor?

[Archer4]

It looks a bit to neat for the trimotor era.

It is a Dornier DO-24 ATT.

[Jhieminga]

Not ‘a’ Do-24 ATT, but ‘the’ Do-24 ATT! Archer4 has control.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1325/d00671c4_8ec7_4dd7_bf55_32a302fa9c63_46ffdd977f7167e68585da3 10e0c82e811bf2bd4.jpeg

[Archer4]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x680/cockpit_a0451a16737c61b11944eff5d0108a83140b3830.jpg

Lets see if anyone recognizes this beauty.

[asw28-866]

Looks like timber under the panel, Falco?

[Jhieminga]

Amateur built according to the placards. A lot of options in that arena...

Edit: looks like you found the answer already, a Sequoia F.8L Falco based in the Netherlands.

[Archer4]

Hmm. I might be making this a bit too easy. It is indeed a Falco.
And yes most of the plane is in fact wood instead of metal. Another fun fact, it is the little sister of the SF260 that was in there a couple of days ago.

Over to ASW.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/240x159/e30b74e1_93e9_42e6_ad60_cc4baf4c6855_d6787b331b4c8b5969e62bd 763814eb696e08d6f.png

[asw28-866]

Apologies all, am in the cockpit all day today, so Open House.

[Self loading bear]

All silent readers have had a chance to take the open house.
Now this:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/917x622/373a3505_01eb_40a5_b6a4_d1bfdc4a8f8b_16f18ccc3cf588a965e0932 1d3f912cb753ef523.jpeg

[sycamore]

Is this a test,development,or experimental aircraft...?
Single jet...?..piston..t-prop...?
British...?,or `johnny foreigner..?

[ea200]

By the labelling of the turn indicator and the HSI I think it might be Swedish. Go to leave now so I will leave it to others to ponder that.

[Jhieminga]

I think I'll go for a Saab 29 Tunnan then.

[Self loading bear]

I think I'll go for a Saab 29 Tunnan then.

All other readers have still a chance to post the right answer.

[dook]

Avia Deja Vue says Saab J-32 Lansen.

[Self loading bear]

Sorry Jelle,

Dook has stabbed right in the heart with the SAAB Lansen.
Dook on the stick.

[dook]

Thank you Bear.

Open House.

[sycamore]

Try this....
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x200/kamank1200instrumentation_th_a886251e1bf27572320d3d1c6c82054 23fbfd454.jpg

[sycamore]

I`ll be out all day,not in contact.....

[Jhieminga]

Sorry Jelle,
No problem, I completely forgot about the Lansen. To me the tunnel around the rudder pedals looked quite narrow, which would fit with the nose intake of the Tunnan. That's where I took a wrong turn.

Is the new challenge ex-military?

[MReyn24050]

This is I believe is an instrument panel from a helicopter possibly from the USA.

[John Eacott]

Kaman K-Max.

[sycamore]

Ahoy, Midshipman Eacott,to the Bridge, you have the con....
I`ve had a long day trying to start a Nimbus,so I`m going below to my bunk......
(actually it did start but no JPT,then no engine RPM,then inverter worked,but insrmts failed,then,etc,etc....!
and I`d not deleted `properties off the pic)

[Self loading bear]

K-max cockpit
It looks massiv, square bulky but when you add a pilot it all comes into proportion:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x640/4774db66_13cf_4f98_9bb1_eb56dcabd275_87a26207c5959a3363cca59 5f2eb7439d8a23095.jpeg

[MReyn24050]

Ahoy, Midshipman Eacott,to the Bridge, you have the con....
I`ve had a long day trying to start a Nimbus,so I`m going below to my bunk......
(actually it did start but no JPT,then no engine RPM,then inverter worked,but insrmts failed,then,etc,etc....!
and I`d not deleted `properties off the pic)

I trust the Nimbus was bolted to a Scour or Wasp?.

[John Eacott]

K-max cockpit
It looks massiv, square bulky but when you add a pilot it all comes into proportion:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x640/4774db66_13cf_4f98_9bb1_eb56dcabd275_87a26207c5959a3363cca59 5f2eb7439d8a23095.jpeg

I worked alongside the first K Max to work fires in NSW , and the most difficult thing for a 'regular' helicopter driver to accept was the single pilot with spectacular view from either side. Excellent Helitack machine, shifted heaps of litres onto the fires. I believe they're now also being used to develop unmanned load delivery for the Military in the USA.

[John Eacott]

Ahoy, Midshipman Eacott,to the Bridge, you have the con....
I`ve had a long day trying to start a Nimbus,so I`m going below to my bunk......
(actually it did start but no JPT,then no engine RPM,then inverter worked,but insrmts failed,then,etc,etc....!
and I`d not deleted `properties off the pic)

Properties? Who on earth would bother to search for that sort of clue :hmm:

Aye aye Sir....:p

I took this one a few years ago of Dad, in keeping with images of the cockpits of proper aircraft ;)

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/dad_edit_92a2b042e9630d7b0fcc0964e0652fa564a39194.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Caption intermezzo:



https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/dad_edit_92a2b042e9630d7b0fcc0964e0652fa564a39194.jpg

Listen son, When these buggers didn’t want to start, you just shortcutted this green lead onto this brown contact.

Whatever it is I am looking forward to the story behind this photo!

[sycamore]

MReyn,yes it was a Scout.....we`re going to be known as` Extinction Resurrection` with Scouts,Wasp,Lynx,J-P,,SeaFury ,and Hunter to bring back to life....

[dook]

Bristol Beaufighter ?

[John Eacott]

Bristol Beaufighter ?

Indeed: the RAAF Beaufighter at Moorabbin

Caption intermezzo:

Listen son, When these buggers didn’t want to start, you just shortcutted this green lead onto this brown contact.

Whatever it is I am looking forward to the story behind this photo!

Very droll, SLB ;)

Dad was shot down when a bunch of 109s used him for target practice over the Aegean Sea after his newly delivered Beau didn't produce enough power to join his squadron mates as they took the sensible option and fled from the more nimble fighters. After losing an engine Dad successfully ditched, but was some depth before he thought to undo his seat belt and get out through the overhead escape hatch. 24 hours later he and his observer (Sgt Bob Pritchard) were picked up an Arado floatplane and taken prisoner with the words 'for you, the war is over'. Shot down 10th November 1943 age 21, picked up on the 11th: swapped places with a Fusilier so he could get out on work parties and escape, recaptured, etc and finally got away to the US Army early in 1945.

The spin to the photo was it was his first time in a Beaufighter since being shot down; and the date (unintentionally) was 10th November 2015.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/768x1024/dad_beau_1_09e29a21fe5a6f8ae38072decb20efdd5031f2f4.jpg


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/dad_beau_2_9f9516a0c8ecc37b96d1892dc828f44c7675d168.jpg

[Self loading bear]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/dad_beau_2_9f9516a0c8ecc37b96d1892dc828f44c7675d168.jpg

A big applause to your dad and his fellow camarades!!!!

[dook]

…………….
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x383/sunday_700625a6fdd065aca9be6fd9d5f34232daeb2eaf.jpg

[Jhieminga]

Is this an American military type?

[sycamore]

Looks like the instructors cockpit in a Stearman(front),or a BT-13(back),or something similar...

[Jhieminga]

I'm probably off by a mile, but will give this a go: Fairchild PT-19.

[Cubs2jets]

Boeing F4B / P-12.

Open house (I've got a picture for What Aerodrome but not What Cockpit).

C2j

[dook]

C2j gets the hit with the Boeing F4B / P-12.

He has called OH.

[Jhieminga]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/299x224/screenshot_2020_03_09_at_22_26_08_f40231d1ef94dc5610276b678f bdcf2b50878a16.png

[Jhieminga]

It's gone awfully quiet here.... no thoughts on this one?

[dook]

Well, I found it yesterday but all the threads are very slow.

I wonder if people are just losing interest.

[Self loading bear]

I am wondering what those pipes are left and right

[Jhieminga]

You'd think that people would have plenty of time to work out puzzles like these, now that everyone is at home, either with a virus or running from it.

No clue about the pipes either I'm afraid...

[John Eacott]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/299x224/screenshot_2020_03_09_at_22_26_08_f40231d1ef94dc5610276b678f bdcf2b50878a16.png

This image is so small that it is beyond difficult to identify any worthwhile features.

If there is any way to give us a better photo? Then there may be more interest.

[dook]

Admittedly it is somewhat small but in such instances I simply save and enlarge it.

I think it's the Grumman Skyrocket but I'm not certain.

[Jhieminga]

It was the only image that I could find, but dook has cracked it, so he can pick a larger image for the next challenge.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x478/xf5f_1_1a_6169f120fa090c82b1c22e3bc8e65233ca31ef3d.jpg

[dook]

This photo is somewhat easier to decipher.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/639x482/skyrocket_e678b30eb93a57477cf9580e6f70868c460c086a.jpg

It is possible that the pipes are heating ducts.

I shall call OH.

[John Eacott]

I believe they're now also being used to develop unmanned load delivery for the Military in the USA.

Just following on from that comment, here's a video of the development of the unmanned K Max :ok:

https://youtu.be/Zj95SHZCkbM

[Self loading bear]

2 days open house.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/930x550/edef32eb_ab4c_4f91_9b25_aea1211c2ce4_7afc3ac7e9abf1abe6b14d3 1ddf2bacc50be5276.jpeg

[meleagertoo]

Skyship which?
600?

[dook]

I didn't know you could fly Bear.

[Self loading bear]

1) it is not a skyship
2) that’s not me

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1071x599/836b9713_fc72_4b3f_8dd2_1bc87e0cef4a_5957eb3738654bce8568116 895063562c810a979.jpeg
3) This is not me either

[Jhieminga]

That's the Airlander Airship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV_304/Airlander_10
Never saw it flying from Cardington, unfortunately.

[Self loading bear]

It is indeed the Airlander 10.
Unfortunately it had an open house cockpit for some time.
What a long way has the airship development come since ....
Yes, since when?
But also still troubled with very large and real problems.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/768x434/de7bf67e_8066_461c_ba81_6e51d406c7d3_df33b6c53a8e64ea2554ad9 2001e2165a589447e.png

[sycamore]

That chap does part-time on the Blackpool Tower Ballroom organ......

[Self loading bear]

And then to think that the Airlander was first marketed as unmanned.
The pilot console was added upon request of possible future buyers.

[Jhieminga]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/562x698/screenshot_170320_b5ac366793f46d687eda6946b2f881de1dba816d.j pg

Let's try the more modern stuff this time.

[Self loading bear]

It has levers for
Flaps
Mixture
Propeller pitch
single or tandem seat.
Smoking not allowed so this aircraft is not private property????

[Jamesel]

Also, likely to have
Fuel Injection - “Alternate Air” handle on right lower panel
Retractable Landing Gear - Little silver knob ahead of Power Controls & “EMER LG HANDLE” placard, by base of stick

[Self loading bear]

Searching single propeller tandem seat fuel injection gives the
2-person VLA
but also very complete aircraft
Blackshape Gabriel

[Jhieminga]

Self loading bear has it with the Blackshape Gabriél.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x683/gabriel_flight02_1024x683_385d264018f29f551c1b67beeca5f6e80c a0e356.jpg
http://blackshapeaircraft.com/en/gabriel/

[meleagertoo]

Wow, waht a terrific looker that is!
Never heard of it before-

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Jelle,

Blackshape Prime is also magnificent!

Now the new definition of the word spacious:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x453/0c7fa06b_7ce2_43c8_82c3_a9a825527bd0_d875371307fcc4a949b42d2 9af7f98137c74a071.jpeg

[oncemorealoft]

This is the beautiful but deadly Latecoere 631 flying boat from France. Interesting video here: https://youtu.be/9PGfDC7Vj_s

[Self loading bear]

Thanks for the video OMA.
indeed the Latecoere 631.
The thread is yours.

[oncemorealoft]

I’m going to have to declare OH. I’d saved a couple of interesting cockpit photos for such eventualities - but now can’t remember what they are!

[Self loading bear]

That is no problem.
Happens to me as well.
You just check the answers which are given!

[dook]

Don't you chaps simply use copies ?

[megan]

Any idea what the hand wheel on the binnacle of the Latecoere is for?

[dook]

I think it's a trim wheel.

[Self loading bear]

Any idea what the hand wheel on the binnacle of the Latecoere is for?

From a modelers website:
”the distinctive autopilot column”
But no idea if he means the same pinnacle or how he knows it is that.

Seawings (https://www.seawings.co.uk/Late631SimonLindArticle.htm)

from: French site (http://www.amicale-aixoise.com/index.php?type=p&p=hydravions-004)


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x699/945d01f4_5007_46cc_9ecd_14d904702da7_31714fd984b2e92aae00854 39d6337259f2dd8d6.jpeg

[dook]

Remember he is a modeller.

Apart from trim controls it also had the flap and float controls.

[Asturias56]

You could hold a barn dance on that flight deck - or self isolate for coronavirus and still fly............

[Self loading bear]

OnceMoreAloft, you stay with your Open House?
Or please post that Big Unkown cockpit.
We will help you out.

[Self loading bear]

It is unusual to post 2 challenges in a row.
But if no one takes up the Open House i feel forced to do so.
Has anybody something at hand?

[oncemorealoft]

Please do so. I've tried twice but am having some sort of technical issue and keep failing.

[Asturias56]

A small contribution -

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/302x351/2020_03_26_170720_64080d48ddddf168853b7669fe28eec31c21af85.j pg

[Jhieminga]

Dornier 335 ‘Pfeil’?
Just a guess, but on second thought it might be British as well...

[Jamesel]

Wonderfully unique double handed control column. The “Pfeil” had hydraulically assisted ailerons, wonder if that setup was in case of hydraulic failure when more “welly” would be needed. Later, if the A-4 “Skyhawk” had the same problem, it used an extension pulled up out of the top of the control column to get extra leverage.

[Asturias56]

yes - the big Dornier - 474 mph on two bloody great engines

having read a bit about them over the years and seen quite a lot written I was amazed to discover they only built 38 or so actual fighters - even tho they started in 1942. The German's produced a load of interesting and quite high performance designs after 1941 but never seemed to b able to get them into production (luckily!)

[meleagertoo]

Started in 1943 perhaps, but first flight Oct 43, first production orders in May '44, factory destroyed by bombing - it didn't stand much of a chance..

[nvubu]

I did Oberpfaffenhofen where they were build last year in the WA thread. There are some DO 335s in various states of disrepair.

https://z4nu4w.db.files.1drv.com/y4mkSkdY1nqvxrsKu7kV6MJnZ3aixGzS3mx20w_iCZAwSCeo7zRBV-zKlf7bdMiSxXRATItdwYnGNI35bQe-ySAuky4rN0gcwUHAfi9sPIyT-Su6CPk_GpXitjCWNAKOPq7pHaInYabKnUDLgif9bXdhqLo8xq_KXz4jnVTku vSQ4-X3JBVZpPcPICGpYnWOwltthK03xxFAScdW1LyIpJKXg?width=660&height=648&cropmode=none

[Jhieminga]

Oh dear, that means I have to come up with a new challenge... I hadn't counted on that at all. After coming up with the Dornier 335 I realised that the windscreen was a bit like the Bristol 188 as well. We'll go with this one then.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/798x522/screenshot_2020_03_28_at_22_31_11_3217be42804a4ef120228c9d52 6ca0ab1afa1d38.png

[dash7fan]

https://i.imgur.com/NXWntgE.jpg

Do 335 at her birthplace in Oberpfaffenhofen in 1980ies

[Jhieminga]

Which one is that? I thought there was only one survivor in the NASM?
Edit: disregard, I already found the answer...

[MReyn24050]

Fuji FA-200 perhaps?

[Jhieminga]

Correct! You're up MReyn24050.

[MReyn24050]

Try this ope:-

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x449/pprune39_3bbe4bd715c9240302439ea4de59f0626b619149.jpg

[Asturias56]

European? very neat................

[Jhieminga]

I got as far as concluding its probably an aerobatic type.

[Asturias56]

Cant see much in the way of engine controls... and a very 1980's radio added centre

[MReyn24050]

European? very neat................
It is European

[Jhieminga]

Is it Italian?

[MReyn24050]

Is it Italian?
It is not an Italian aircraft.

[Self loading bear]

Motor glider?
I was thinking about Grob but I found no match.
German though?

[MReyn24050]

Motor glider?
I was thinking about Grob but I found no match.
German though?
It is a German Aircraft.

[dook]

Is it by Sportavia ?

[evansb]

Putzer SR-57 Busard ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay, it is not by Sportavia neither is it the Putzer SR-57 Busard, This aircraft was earlier..

[dook]

Something from Dittmar ?

edit: this challenge has now been up for a week and we have no positive clues.

I give up.

[MReyn24050]

No movement time for a clue, it was a German and designed as a trainer in the 1930s

[Archer4]

A Messerschmitt Bf 108 Taifun.

[dook]

Or an Arado 79B ?

[MReyn24050]

A Messerschmitt Bf 108 Taifun.
Sorry not the Bf 108.

[Archer4]

Ah, now I know why it looked familiar. I have seen it in the museum in Berlin.

[dook]

Do you mean the one in my post above ?

[Archer4]

Do you mean the one in my post above ?

Yes the one in your answer.

[MReyn24050]

Dook is correct it is the cockpit of an Arado 79. Dook has control.

[Jhieminga]

https://flic.kr/p/2iMzi2x

[dook]

Thank you MReyn.

It's not often a challenge stands for a week.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x482/monday_5c174932f49cb3e8930339a7241a75bab5753b90.png

[Archer4]

Hmm, also looks familiar.

My guess is the Otto - Doppeldecker

[dook]

You're in the right country but this was a monoplane.

[Jhieminga]

It's not often a challenge stands for a week.
But this one is heading in that same direction....
Focke-Wulf?

[dook]

Not an Fw - this first flew in 1920.

Would you like a photographic clue ?

[MReyn24050]

Thank you MReyn.

It's not often a challenge stands for a week.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x482/monday_5c174932f49cb3e8930339a7241a75bab5753b90.png

Judging by the modern instruments fitted then this aircraft is either a flyable vintage aircraft or it is a replica of it's type.Is it not?

[dook]

First of all my apologies for the above date - it first flew in 1910

There has been one flying replica but I don't know if it is still airworthy.

The image is from a museum replica.

[nvubu]

I'll have a guess at Etrich Taube

[dook]

And a very good guess it is.

Your stage. :ok:

[nvubu]

Way to go ... only my second cockpit guess !!!! Although your 1910 clue was the give away.

As it happens I do have one lined up :ok: - what else is there to do under lock down.

https://l6jt9q.am.files.1drv.com/y4mNqbueHnRkeOlSO041aeQsqXMgP5OmwvjLpyrc3hiCekx4HzZJRfQpfgXn DqTeCwEKuqvRMsDW9NLVgeZkx5QfkDS2CCaJI5ilcrm1WWJe1nHep0_zkb5a FqcneCN9aFMMb23U_zQacHI-agV0kVv0GcGMHteugekyrDPk2yMM8oW166vBi5a2uYsPMDypixd7Pv0Fx8Jh HLQV5IUGVQ5MA?width=1024&height=576&cropmode=none

[Jhieminga]

Hurel-Dubois HD-34 I guess....

[nvubu]

Bugger - I thought this one might be a stayer - Jhieminga has it with Hurel-Dubois HD-34

I'll retreat to the Aerodrome thread :}

https://zyu8og.am.files.1drv.com/y4mZE9hQUKmP1vfoJSDr2krX8g3hse9o1OtKulqFqNVZ1cbD--KEkel4_BFC9amPjQ6CpO4wDUMLhDmvv23N9366Zp7UkL1JKcBhasDo9_ASEV ozGes6_5ByAGRi0Sh-uVpB7X8UyXXDGHIEMlRIypILYTlT5SWGXLb_WSLYAH2c5WKPTBCXQ7ZrP2Wn dyLOAd5vTby-UMhKu582ncMWPtRjQ?width=660&height=371&cropmode=none

https://zyu8og.am.files.1drv.com/y4mZE9hQUKmP1vfoJSDr2krX8g3hse9o1OtKulqFqNVZ1cbD--KEkel4_BFC9amPjQ6CpO4wDUMLhDmvv23N9366Zp7UkL1JKcBhasDo9_ASEV ozGes6_5ByAGRi0Sh-uVpB7X8UyXXDGHIEMlRIypILYTlT5SWGXLb_WSLYAH2c5WKPTBCXQ7ZrP2Wn dyLOAd5vTby-UMhKu582ncMWPtRjQ?width=660&height=371&cropmode=none

https://qc3gug.am.files.1drv.com/y4mwt2kdgAkXIIMtWyqUsJZAIZWLLY9wM6BTkacdSegpeUuoZOghb-cVb-HF6K40F5jz1rYcMDv6vz78DxOtcm21lQxesHmu7a1bJP3PeTPptOV6qhXUXd L9j5sSSgiuIWFJ6cs71d37MRJ9ZgLbDANMVQpZZZloMdqx_8R1gllzrcaFoA JcHDFJaHevuH-WtthaHN7Bc4JQKV7ToV7YFeL1w?width=660&height=371&cropmode=none

[Jhieminga]

I saw the real thing at La Ferté Alais many years ago, but that strange contraption is hard to forget! ;)

Anyway, on to a new challenge:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x461/screenshot_20200410_a1d71544ec7810b396daa7abedee68d231806d0d .jpg

[ea200]

The xpdr code suggests US (or at least operated there). Experimental?

[Jhieminga]

Good question, but I’m going to play it safe and say: yes and no.

[India Four Two]

ea200,

A minor observation. In the Great White North, we also use 1200 as the VFR code. We also use inches of mercury for pressure settings, but we differ from the US in many other respects, including putting leading zeros on runway numbers less than 10. :)

[ea200]

ea200,

A minor observation. In the Great White North, we also use 1200 as the VFR code. We also use inches of mercury for pressure settings, but we differ from the US in many other respects, including putting leading zeros on runway numbers less than 10. :)

Yes, I knew that you use 1200 but the code is 1204 which AFAIK is not used in the same way as it is in the US. Quite prepared to accept I might be wrong though. More research needed to
find the cockpit. Maybe tomorrow.

[MReyn24050]

Has this aircraft a French Connection?. The yoke is very similar to that fitted to the Potez 63

[Cubs2jets]

https://www.barnstormers.com/listing_images.php?id=1245455

I bow to MReyn24050

C2j

[MReyn24050]

https://www.barnstormers.com/listing_images.php?id=1245455

I bow to MReyn24050

C2j
Your show C2j, I only identified the type of control yoke.

[Cubs2jets]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1984x1488/p6100006_c1a34bcf3a27c3d6a818c6dd0ec1262dff2e8cf8.jpg


Let's start with this.

C2j

[Jhieminga]

I was still trying to come up with a suitably vague answer to your question Mreyn, but C2j found the subject aircraft.

[Cubs2jets]

I guess you gents are all on the right side of the pond? While equipped slightly differently, the above panel is a distinct part of the cockpit.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/325x171/sj30_2__a280bcc533548a95137f3ec79447d4389de24e28.jpg

For the first 4 years of production, these instruments were additional cost upgrades. The panel they sit in could be blank, one hole in the center or two holes. The compass cost 15.63 and the airspeed 20.00. Oh, yes, an appropriate panel cost .37.

C2j

[sycamore]

Could be a Cub....?

[Cubs2jets]

Could be...

If so, which one?

Cub Coupe
Cub Cruiser
Cub Sport
Cub Trainer
J2
J3
J4
J5

C2j

[Loose rivets]

Flight deck not so hard to recognise, but the mods. Surprising device.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1408/crane_all_weather_flight_a4b442e89cfb0d2749f9b397db77ed39a39 d217f.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Could be...

If so, which one?

Cub Coupe
Cub Cruiser
Cub Sport
Cub Trainer
J2
J3
J4
J5

C2j

I think the Cub J3 comes closest


Flight deck not so hard to recognise, but the mods. Surprising device.



Loose rivets,
I cannot see any post in which the Cub challenge is awarded to you, but you have most certainly posted an interesting Cessna 172 cockpit.
I am not sure where you are after but I think it is an F-model.

[Cubs2jets]

SLB you're smarter than the average bear. The 1937 -1940 J3 Cub.

You have control.

C2j

[Self loading bear]

Thanks CtJ,

Perhaps we will receive closure from Loose Rivets later but we can continue with this challenge:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/859x703/7f93e720_75af_4b12_bf58_1a692fa8afb6_1b6c41be67fa3920af02f96 137001289e8a6dbd9.jpeg