What Cockpit?

[Asturias56]

Y Draig Goch - the Red Dragon - or Saab J-35 Draken I'd guess

[BEagle]

SAAB Draken it is! Asturias56, you have control!

[Asturias56]

Thankyou - would never have got it except for the clew ...................

Try this - had several names/designations over its life - I'll accept anything reasonable

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/307x339/2024_04_29_142359_2a2df6dc4f1ad36a9a93663f620ec3622d02037c.j pg

[Asturias56]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/291x438/2024_04_29_142342_04ac8e103bf2dfce12da87bb7c21f35a315c46dc.j pg

[Ombinda]

At first I thought Cirrus but hunting through "Cockpit side stick single engine" I now believe it is a Cessna 400?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_400

[Asturias56]

Well that didn't last long - yes the Columbia 300/Cessna400/CessnaTTx

Not a bad aircraft by all accounts but not as good as the Cirrus which took the lions share of the market

Over to Ombinda



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[Ombinda]

Thanks A.

I suspect this one won't take too long either. Saw one flying for the 1st time the other day - was suitably impressed...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/274x641/whazzit_a303902dc5ff8999cfb079eadb0b75ad6c3b7e6f.jpg

[Asturias56]

that blue point suggests it's Russian?

[ea200]

Looks a lot like an MI-24 back seat.

[Ombinda]

Looks a lot like an MI-24 back seat.

Because it is. Knew this one would be quick...
All yours.

[ea200]

Thanks Ombinda. Don't suppose this will last long either:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/862x900/cockpitc_38cd802707d22a413474f32e31ef05063ba6114d.png

[BEagle]

Kawasaki Ki-45 Kai Hei Toryu (Dragon Killer).

[ea200]

That's the one. Carelessly posted the whole picture rather than the crop I had intended.

Take it away BEagle

[BEagle]

Thanks, ea200!

Here you go:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/689x600/04may2024_4b5544e270db2842a57a9ea1d7eeac279272d1b4.jpg

[sycamore]

British,Euro,US...EXPERIMENTAL...?

[BEagle]

One of those......

[Ombinda]

Kind of looks like the Space Shuttle stick setup...

[kenparry]

The instruments look to be American rather than British. 1950 ish?

[sycamore]

Doesn`t seem to have an AI..some kind of VSTOL `WIZZER`,like the Ryan Vertijet...?

[BEagle]

Not the Ryan Vertijet.

The AI is above the VSI and partially obscured by the V-shaped loop of fabric hangin down from the glareshield.

[meleagertoo]

Whatever it is it looks crashed and subsequently unloved.
The stick arrangement suggests a FBW or boosted system as surely it is too short for a manual stick.
Dual RBI/RMI so needs navigation eqiopment. Possibly ILS or maybe Doppler (but deosn't look like a helo)
G meter and three-needle altimeter so high altitude capable
Twin I think.
Late '40s, early '50s?
Where's the throttle/s?

[BEagle]

Several hundred of these existed! Long before FBW, it had powered controls though.

Single engine, throttle is just out of shot on the left side.

[Asturias56]

USN? or USAF/USAF??

[BEagle]

Perhaps......

[sycamore]

The `T`-Bar` ,or throttle-grip for holding during cat .launches indicates its USN/USMC,but the pic doesn`t do justice to one of the best looking jets,even if `Old Henry`said `you can only have `em in black` ..the `Ford`/F4D Skyray..fastest carrier-borne jet,s-sonic in level flight,world altitude record holder ...at that time,...
Thought it may have been a pic of the FJ-3,another `classy` jet..

OH if correct.....

[BEagle]

Correct, sycamore, it is indeed the cockpit of a Douglas F4D-1 Skyray!

You have control!

[sycamore]

Sorry,bit late---OPEN HOUSE..

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/525x437/test_17496bb34ea347e72e752962c0b8f21cb184a714.png

[Asturias56]

ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Deja view :p or Senior moment?

you posted that as a challenge in late April - thread #4239 - some Danish aircraft IIRC

[meleagertoo]

Senior moment then...I even did a search to check and it didn't come up!

Ok, back to open house.

[Asturias56]

Try this one

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/267x345/2024_05_12_173112_852d4a513ca3e03af60a2a8eb1aa4ccb6b91f417.j pg

[BEagle]

More of same!!
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/868x633/another_11ae4c1fde22a85e03e8b51753320cccaa54ad9b.jpg

[Asturias56]

Might as well name it Beagle

[Ombinda]

American X type?

Does that dial bottom right say Ammonia?

[BEagle]

That gauge does indeed indicate Ammonia quantity.

I will leave it for others to name the aircraft type.

[Asturias56]

Why? Surely you deserve the plaudits??

[BEagle]

No. All I did was to provide a larger image of the mystery cockpit than the very small one you submitted.

Someone else should name the aicraft.

[meleagertoo]

Is this aircraft actually powered by ammonia, because I've searched every such one I can find (and there aren't many) and none are remotely similar - or is the ammonia used for something else?

[Asturias56]

An excellent question.

The ammonia appears to have been used in the air conditioning system - both for electronics and crew..................

[Ombinda]

I think (maybe?) that I found it?

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/195767/north-american-xb-70-valkyrie/

[BEagle]

Ammonia was used for electrical equipment coolig durin taxying, approach and landing and during in-flight electronic system overheat conditions.


Ombinda, you are correct - you have control!

[meleagertoo]

Seriously good bit of lateral confusion sowed there - well done. Even though Beagle did recognise it.

I searched long and hard for any aircraft that used ammonia for any purpose and drew a blank.

Extreme cooling - aircon - ammonia. Yes - of course!

Respect!!!

[Ombinda]

A bit of lucky Google, not knowlege.
Bed and busy day ahead.
Open house.

[Asturias56]

I agree - Ombinda has it and has declared OH

[BigBoreFour]

Ammonia was used for electrical equipment cooling during taxying, approach and landing and during in-flight electronic system overheat conditions.

Also used on the ISS for similar purposes.
Smelling salts.
Can be used to manufacture methamphetamine.
And is used for treatment of cotton materials.

For those playing at home with no access to wikipedia.

[BEagle]

NOT powered by ammonia:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/512x348/new_one_b95e12eaebe365fd30ec4a90a40660e455704c73.jpg

[India Four Two]

1920s? British?

[Ombinda]

Did it fly across the Atlantic?

[BEagle]

It did not cross the Atlantic.

[BEagle]

...and pre-WW2 British!

[Asturias56]

Did it see RAF Service?

[BEagle]

Not just with the RAF, other air forces too.

[Asturias56]

so - something built in numbers - well for the interwar period.

Single engined?

[meleagertoo]

It's so so Hawker Fury/Demon Blackburn Baffin but I can't place it.

[BEagle]

None of the above!

[Noyade]

Not just with the RAF, other air forces too.

Wapiti?


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x297/scan1601_69908dd17ac4aa984df84783a4ad02690b0ec241.jpg

[BEagle]

Noyade, correct! It was indeed the Westland Wapiti!

You have control.

[Noyade]

Cheers BEagle.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x612/scan1605_222e44a5a1287a4889448b750c796ffd502bf2fe.jpg

[Asturias56]

N american?

[Noyade]

Not this time.

[D26]

IMHO it has air operated main wheel brakes, retractable landing gear. Not British.
Just trying.

[BEagle]

Heston Phoenix...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x389/52_1_f8435f4dd846d3c881c5bfba993e8bfd55b95630.jpg

[Noyade]

The Phoenix it is.
Back to you, BEagle. :ok:

[BEagle]

Thanks Noyade!


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