What Cockpit?

[India Four Two]

Carl Mortenson, the designer is certainly an interesting character:
He returned to the States in the early 60's, yet with no formal education in aeronautical engineering, designed and built a high-wing prototype, which led to the final produced Evangel 4500.
My bolding! Obviously, Divine guidance helps when you are unqualified.

The first prototype was completely different:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/924x481/evalangel_prototype_73601b447e9683a49b5ba37471bc1b1c3ce2856b .jpg

The pusher twin is the Angel 44:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x480/load_capacity_64e43e0552b318b139198d8652813869bda11572.jpg

I'm a bit worried about the location of the door relative to the left seat! Also, Mr. Mortensen didn't know about one of the design features of the Beaver - you can roll a fuel drum up a ramp and into the cabin.

Angel Aircraft Corporation Home (http://www.angelaircraft.com/index.html)

[India Four Two]

Just a reminder, it's Open House.

[dook]

I know it is.....

[dook]

Here we go then.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/569x441/wed_5fc0982da61e2dc954c8de619114a6e185684f77.jpg

[Self loading bear]

I have already looked at various observer airplane cockpits
when posting my previous challenges.

This is the Partenavia P.68

[dook]

It certainly is the P68.

Your cockpit.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks
Different scale in cockpit size:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1113x619/ab5b0b94_85b8_45c3_9778_1243cb89ccbb_182f292130098ab7de2a0f6 686fdb807f1d36fc1.jpeg

[dook]

Seen it somewhere but can't remember where.

[dook]

Suspect twin turboprop with a specialised radar.

Reconnaissance ?

[Self loading bear]

All reconnaisance radars are specialized

[India Four Two]

An Antonov?

[Self loading bear]

No not Russian/Ukrainian

[dook]

How about the Breguet Atlantique 2 ?

[Self loading bear]

That’s the one!
Now also known as Dassault Atlantique 2 with
the newly upgraded glass cockpit for the French.

[dook]

Cheers Bear.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/621x450/thur_06c32a2cb3ed02087e8add1715ff4cddf25aba43.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Something from Pipistrel?

[dook]

That's a good idea but not from Pipistrel.

[Self loading bear]

Finally,
FlySynthesis Storch S

[dook]

Give that man a prize.

Fly Sybthesis Storch it is.

Good work Bear - your shot. :ok:

[Self loading bear]

Thanks dook

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1076x609/d7c7cda2_888a_4292_81ff_7e57f7959677_0f12f349e72b04a70785c2b b3c05d55e4b5ec556.jpeg

[dook]

This could be fun...…..

[sycamore]

As a starter,how about a Jaguar....?

[dook]

And as a seconder how about my 1850 hours on the Jaguar.

The green LOX pot in the Jaguar was not in the cockpit.

[Self loading bear]

Indeed not a Jaguar

[dook]

It's not that new because no seats these days have a top handle.

[sycamore]

Is there a nautical connection...?

[Self loading bear]

You mean like a sewer connection?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/670x853/112688ae_1d75_4078_94c2_4111a02b4f48_f442e61f27050c3f46a4627 f5d1f99f8e958419d.jpeg
No it hasn’t

[sycamore]

No need to `lower` the tone of the thread .....as I thought it may be an `Etendard`,as it appears to have a single engine,a prominent scope,fo attack,etc, so ,is it a Mirage of any variant.........?

[Self loading bear]

Ah, that connection/relation.
Yes, it is a Mirage of any kind.
But which?

[SincoTC]

Ah, that connection/relation.
Yes, it is a Mirage of any kind.
But which?

If we were to ignore the apparent shape of the canopy's rear end and the missing rear frame (I'm assuming it's a systems display model and not representative in details like that), then it could be a two seat Mirage 2000D ??

[Octane]

It's a stealth Mirage:}

[Self loading bear]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1081x685/1d2c503d_58fe_458b_b9d7_c757d6d05c93_b576327eddbe1296c8e4378 6bc8e1eb19b7535e4.jpeg
Not the 2000D
And I think it’s fully representative
(excluding the right wing)

[SincoTC]

Not the 2000D
And I think it’s fully representative
(excluding the right wing)







Thanks for the new image, DOH, I see I was wrong in thinking it was a two seater!! :O

I now reckon it's an F1 something?? (and feel a lot happier about the position of that LOX bottle) :)

Edited to say, just tried a hunch that it must be a museum exhibit, I can't find your image but it would appear to be the full size model of a Dassault Mirage F1C (1973) in the Museum of Astronautics and Aviation Le Bourget

[Self loading bear]

Douze points pour Sinco
Now named musee de l’Air et de l’Espace

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/730x450/8db45b57_68e1_4923_a7a8_24e36d087f3a_9cbdff65176d6b39c7f48b2 65b066c1eadf096c6.jpeg
and access is free. (An additional fee if you want to walk inside the Concordes, 747 and the C-47)

Octane, you were close, it is called F1 Cristal

[SincoTC]

Thanks Bear, a very good challenge! Your own photos I take it?

A new cockpit follows shortly!

[dook]

After the adverts...………...

[SincoTC]

After the adverts...………...

:p

'Ere tiz then!!

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/568x832/wc_tc016_a6637a7550bcfcfcc31b0fa7f8d0b02e09a6c1ed.jpg

[dook]

Clearly a variable-pitch twin.

Bomber or passenger ?

[SincoTC]

Correct, a twin passenger type

[dook]

Some of the instruments look distinctly British to me, particularly the HSI seen through the left yoke.

[SincoTC]

Correct again, it is British!

[dook]

And I would say around WW2 or shortly after.

[SincoTC]

Actually it was a fair bit after the end of the war, I remember seeing it taxiing out of its hangar before its first flight from the the top deck of a bus on my way home from school, happy days!!

[dook]

What school was that then ?

[MReyn24050]

Certainly was post war back end of 1950s

[SincoTC]

What school was that then ?

That would really give the game away!! Suffice to say that I hadn't taken my eleven plus and as Mel said it was the back end of the fifties and almost the dawn of the Space Age, really happy days!!

[MReyn24050]

That would really give the game away!! Suffice to say that I hadn't taken my eleven plus and as Mel said it was the back end of the fifties and almost the dawn of the Space Age, really happy days!!

Please count me out on this one. I have nothing ready to post.

[dixi188]

The yokes look like Handley Page, but it's not the Herald.

[SincoTC]

The yokes look like Handley Page, but it's not the Herald.

They do, but it's nothing to do with HP (unless they purloined or even purchased a pair of their yokes) :)

[dook]

Is the company extant ?

[sycamore]

Vickers Viking.....?

[SincoTC]

Is the company extant ?

Well, sort of yes, no and yes again!

Like a lot of British aircraft manufacturers, this one was absorbed by another Group which later split and the original part was brought out by its Management and started trading again under the original name, now under the EASA banner, it has plans in hand to survive Brexit :ooh:

[SincoTC]

Hi sycamore,

Not a Viking

[dook]

Was the absorbing group BAC/Bae or maybe Hawker ?

[SincoTC]

Sorry dook, I think I may have misled you slightly whilst trying not to hand you the answer on a plate, relying on memory and later experience with them, I now find that things were far more involved than it seemed at the time!! One of the principle characters involved was a regular lunch time visitor to the Public House run by my mother (opposite my school) and he later became quite famous! I will tell you now that my school was called Prince Avenue Junior. :)

Checking out the history, it was in fact taken over by a non-manufacturer that was providing defence support services to the Royal Air Force, the Fleet Air Arm and other overseas air forces. It also played a significant role in Post War civil aviation, both here and abroad.

[dook]

Was it Airwork ?

[SincoTC]

Yes it was!

The clock is now ticking :ooh:

[dook]

It might be but I can't hear it. :\

Something from Airspeed ?

[SincoTC]

It might be but I can't hear it. :\

Something from Airspeed ?

Oh dear! I see that the Airwork story on wiki didn't hand it to you on a plate like I feared it might! My challenge's Company is actually mentioned, but somewhat blurred by another takeover/name change!

The challenge is not from Airspeed, but the revelation of my school's name should home you in!

[dook]

Well yes - I know where you school is.

[sycamore]

The `Beancounter`......? who got it all wrong.....

OH if correct...off to watch quali....

[SincoTC]

Well yes - I know where you school is.

It was an easy waking distance from the airport where the challenge was built and flown!!

And I think sycamore knows but can't bring himself to say the magic word (Not Abracadabra but its Designation or Name). :)

Edited:

To say thanks to sycamore for confirming my suspicions, supplying the name I required and taking control rather than an OH :D

[sycamore]

ATL Accountant...think it came from various `parts bins`,on the `beancounter` shuffled the plans,so instead of being for about 45 pax,it ended up for 30...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x415/saab105_6_05f6857de895d09e024bbcde6845263a096e8cd6.jpg
something a bit different..

[MReyn24050]

SAAB 1050E perhaps.

[dook]

Tut tut sycamore.

You gave the answer in the file properties. :rolleyes:

[dook]

TC,

Was not the Accountant powered by Dart turboprops ?

Your challenge image shows propeller rpm levers alongside the throttles.

[sycamore]

Baah Humbug.......!! MR24050,100 lines....I must not........etc...your shot......:=
dook,they are `condition levers`,same as rpm levers,but are usually 2 speed ,low,for start,then high speed for t/o,cruise,land,lo speed for taxi,as long as the generators are on-line; then also fully back to feather...combined hp cock usually...

[dook]

Seems you need some sharpening up sycamore. :E

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Sycamore I certainly didn't find it that way. Try this one:-
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x575/pprune_6_5d130dca15ad206f3f0352ad07833883b0393b0f.jpg

[dook]

Thanks for the info' sycamore.

[sycamore]

Polish,or Czech....?

[MReyn24050]

Neither Polish nor Czech, Sycamore.

[dook]

Focke Wulf 56 ?

[MReyn24050]

Correct Manufacturer but wrong type.

[dook]

The 159 then maybe.

[MReyn24050]

That certainly is the bird. You have control.

[dook]

Apologies - I have been looking for an airfield (and found it).


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/595x420/copy_620b139e9a755e27bdd1eb8b6130fe78b5a11f3f.png

[India Four Two]

Interesting. A T1154 “bomber” transmitter in the “back seat” but the stick is not a spade grip.

A naval aircraft?

[dook]

Some were naval in one of the countries which used it.

You are looking at radio equipment.

Trainer 1940. American.

[sycamore]

Could be a T6 or SNJ.....

[dook]

Very very close with the T6.

[134brat]

Vultee BT13 Valiant?

[dook]

Not Vultee.

Check post #1081.

[sycamore]

Commonwealth CA-1 mk3 Wirraway.....Oz`s first indigenous aircraft

[India Four Two]

It doesn’t look like a T6 to me. The thing I find odd is that dook has confirmed it is an American aircraft, but in the back seat is a British TR1154 LF/HF transmitter, mainly used in bombers.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/584x554/1f751974_67af_47b7_aa90_0e7739d1aa35_1349b98d75e9da1d6af1dec 7a8b15e4d06210fb9.jpeg

Very very close with the T6

Is this a “single-engined Mosquito”?

[Jamesel]

I believe it is another American University. The type was used in Canada from French stocks as airborne radio operator trainers. Since the previous devices were Menasco powered Tiger Moths, I would imagine the feelings of sophistication (if not warmth) in the trainees would be rather strong. Although the bored pilots, without even a landing gear lever to play with, might not have shared that same feeling.

[MReyn24050]

I think it may be the North American NA-16

[India Four Two]

I think Jamesl has it - the NA-64 Yale, specifically the ones destined for France but ended up in the RCAF. I had considered it and when I looked it up on Wikipedia, I was so intrigued by the section on changing the throttle and mixture controls, that I missed the preceding sentence:

They were then relegated for use as airborne wireless radio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio) trainers ...

That would explain the British radio.

[dook]

Although he didn't say the name, Jamesal did say "university".and I think he knows the answer. He also sid airborne radio operator trainers.

As I42 has said, it is the NA-64 Yale,

To be fair, I think the prize must go to Jamesal who now has the thread.

[Jamesel]

Apologies, slept in, & must rush off to move the M-I-L.
OH

[ea200]

This is not so obscure.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1010x598/cockpit1_542175d2a9ff612bbb49fd361f259347912d2ffe.jpg

[dook]

French. Single engine.

Single seat homebuilt ?

[ea200]

French and SE is correct. Not either of the others.

[dook]

Classed as an LSA maybe.

[ea200]

Sorry, been out for a while. Not an LSA. You wouldn't move this with a Rotax.

[Self loading bear]

Max Holste MH.1521 Broussard

[ea200]

That's the one Bear. Not many left. Flew one on air test some years back. More original than the one in the pic. Bear has control

[Self loading bear]

Thanks,
As this one is weird it should not be that dificult

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/749x737/a807f542_7cd9_4f82_ae54_45476db6f8c4_402bfd3ada75c4b2596e65c dc3908bd482ffd5d6.jpeg

[dook]

Looks like a glass nose and I can't see any controls.

Experimental maybe ?

[oncemorealoft]

Breguet Leduc 010?

[Self loading bear]

Breguet Leduc 010
it is.
And yes it was experimental
a French ramjet design
Probably inspired Thunderbird 1?

Oncemorealoft has the lead.

[oncemorealoft]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1041x842/pprune_3c119d5247e8d39788aa3144a90d1e84f4056a84.jpg
Here'a new one

[dook]

That looks suspiciously like the one I had ready.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x400/x_15_copy_56f6fd050d174a50d9cb61873a85502c7752881e.jpg

[sycamore]

A serious boy`s toy....NA X-15.....OH if correct.....guten nacht..

[oncemorealoft]

X15 it is.

[India Four Two]

While sycamore is sleeping:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/635x436/wc_2019_11_05_05cadca8bddbb99901c0f3a97abe33fece208ff8.jpg

[dook]

An interesting set of instruments and a lot of glazing.

A reverse reading ASI, which suggests French or Italian.

What I think is an unusually-calibrated g-meter at the top.

Research/experimental ?

[Jhieminga]

I know where it is, does that count for something?

[dook]

And I have just found out what it is.

Goggle "french experimental aircraft" and up come the Hirsch H-100.

[Jhieminga]

Thanks, I had already found several photos that showed it behind other types, but I still couldn't find out what it was. I recognised the nose of the Triton in the photo, that gave the location away.

[Self loading bear]

Interesting concept
has this been taken further?
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/797x498/05dc5ee5_9a8a_498f_800d_6743a7078f3b_56c263216640f3cee6e5a8b d9829b8d5ae516edf.jpeg

[India Four Two]

It didn't take you sleuths very long! I didn't know the reverse-reading ASI trick.

I recognised the nose of the Triton in the photo, that gave the location away.
I thought I was being clever by clipping the helicopters out of the picture!
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1016x673/screen_shot_2019_11_05_at_11_42_35_am_25839b8fa39fe1f51ee77a dfdc1782d95315d542.png


A very interesting aircraft:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_H.100

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1098x729/screen_shot_2019_11_05_at_11_36_16_am_78bce5d218e334806f2a8e e72a8235beb8628db7.png


dook has control

[Self loading bear]

Interesting situation
Dook back on 1 post while he has control on 3 threads.
With 1 post his postings are probably subject to screening by webmaster and not allowed to post any pictures?

[India Four Two]

Slb,

Interesting observation, I hadn't thought of that. In that case, I propose Open House.

A friend of mine, who is a regular on AH&N, had his post count reset and thus was subject to screening because the mod didn't like a post of his. I wonder if that happened to dook?

[dook]

I have not made any contentious posts as far as I know.

[sycamore]

SLB ,I42, according to his profile stats,and a check earlier,he has `activity` throughout today,last at 2004,but it will not give thread/forum details....looked at forum persons active but can`t see him....
dook,if you want to you have my mobile 27/8/19, if you can`t PM....

[Self loading bear]

SLB ,I42, according to his profile stats,and a check earlier,he has `activity` throughout today,last at 2004,but it will not give thread/forum details....looked at forum persons active but can`t see him....
dook,if you want to you have my mobile 27/8/19, if you can`t PM....

I received pm of Dook
the reason is not clear but he cannot post
Open house

[MReyn24050]

I received pm of Dook
the reason is not clear but he cannot post
Open house
Sorry to hear that Self loading Bear
To keep the thread running
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x562/pprune15_affebf8aad7a03f6640c01f50d470aa396e305c9.jpg
try this one:-

[dash7fan]

Looks like a Junkers, may be G 24?

[MReyn24050]

I will give you it was from Junkers but not the G 34.

[dash7fan]

Please check again, G 24 not 34

[SincoTC]

Please check again, G 24 not 34

It does seem that Mel misread you original answer!

However, looking at the cockpit photos on the Airwar site, I believe that the overall layout of the instrument panel and windscreen of the Junkers G 23 is a better match ??

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cw1/jug23/jug23-9.jpg
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cw1/g24/g24-8.jpg

[MReyn24050]

dashfan Please accept my sincere apologies in misreading your original post. Please put it down to the lateness of the hour. However whilst the cockpit in the challenge photo is similar to that of the G 24 the aircraft concerned was not a G 24. It had some very close connection with the G 24 but it was not a civilian type.
Thankas Trevor for your post this aircraft was not a G 23

[dook]

So have we solved yet which Junkers it is ?

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mel,

Being closely related to the G 24 and non military I now think it's probably the K 30 ??

[MReyn24050]

Good to see you back dook.

Trevor you have it it is indeed the Junkers K30 military version of the Junkers G 24 (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_G_24) airliner

[dash7fan]

No Problem Mel, was a interresting challange

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mel, as dash7fan said, a good challenge, I see now I should have delved a bit further on Airwar as they seem to have a photo very like , if not the same as your picture!

Rather less complex cockpit on this one!!

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/990x692/wc_tc017_18597691bbcb83a9cac50c2e481aeb6b32e1e36e.jpg

[dook]

I have discovered where that photo comes from.

I'll go away now.

[Self loading bear]

Based on the ammunition counters these could be Spandau machine guns?

[SincoTC]

Based on the ammunition counters these could be Spandau machine guns?


Hello bear, you are correct in that assumption :ok:

[dook]

TC,

Your challenge has now been up for nearly 48 hours.

For what it's worth I think it's the Siemens-Schuckert D3.

[SincoTC]

Evening dook,

TC,

Your challenge has now been up for nearly 48 hours.

For what it's worth I think it's the Siemens-Schuckert D3.

Well, it's not worth very much now is it mate! :ugh: You are quite correct, but AFAIK you cannot post yet, so please declare an Open House and bump your counter up another one!! :)

[SincoTC]

Why do you think I cannot post ?

DOH!! :confused: I thought you said that you couldn't upload images until your post count got to some magical number much larger than it is now?? I guess the floor is yours :ok:

[dook]

I didn't say that.

Open House.

[MReyn24050]

Open House! OK try this one:-
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x503/pprune_8_b39661fd1eacd6e95bb833a96df9c26c36e28236.jpg

[sycamore]

SShhhh,here comes the `whispering death`.....Brisssell Beaufighter`

[MReyn24050]

Not this one I am sorry.

[India Four Two]

This is a good one, Mel. I’ve checked all the usual suspects and found nothing that’s even close. I’ve been concentrating on the location of the engine instruments and the compass.

Chosing an arbitrary date, is this pre- or post-1942?

[sycamore]

Can`t find any photos ,but it could be the Short Sturgeon......?

[MReyn24050]

Can`t find any photos ,but it could be the Short Sturgeon......?
It is indeed the Short Sturgeon TT2. You have control sycamoore..

[sycamore]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x666/20110828_234__4deb11c3300b7e6325cb6cff14fdbe10ef333976.jpg
An old friend.....

[dixi188]

Hawker Hunter Mk ???.
I guess to claim, the Mark should be stated.

OH if correct.

[sycamore]

There`s always a clue somewhere......

[Self loading bear]

Just lately the other aircraft in a museum where the clue to the answer.
I think the clue meant is outside the cockpit

[India Four Two]

Interesting. I’ve just noticed that the VSI is calibrated in metres/sec. A Swiss Hunter?

PS I’ve also noticed that the emergency canopy release is labeled in French: “TOIT CABINE”

[sycamore]

dixi188 identified it as a Hunter,but no Mark; I42 asked if it was a Swiss Hunter,which it is,by layout and notations,but it is a Mk58 ,,on balance I`ll give it to I42.....Whenever he appears

the photo is credited to Anton Wildberg,but I can`t find it in his portfolios..
the other aircraft may be an F-5,or a Mirage,.

[India Four Two]

Thank you Sycamore. That was interesting. I didn’t even recognize it as a Hunter at first.

Standby until I get to my computer.

[India Four Two]

I always find this shade of blue a bit of a strain on my eyes:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/491x353/wc_2019_11_12_d4522b203c130490f01ef7bedbf901788639a562.jpg

[Self loading bear]

dixi188 identified it as a Hunter,but no Mark; I42 asked if it was a Swiss Hunter,which it is,by layout and notations,but it is a Mk58 ,,on balance I`ll give it to I42.....Whenever he appears

the photo is credited to Anton Wildberg,but I can`t find it in his portfolios..
the other aircraft may be an F-5,or a Mirage,.

The photo is also on the website of the museum in Graz Austria.

[sycamore]

SLB,thanks,missed that one,thought it would be in Swtzd...

[India Four Two]

Yes, the Mil V-12, the world’s largest helicopter. The only aircraft that I know of that has a two-story flight deck! It looks to me like an early Airbus prototype cockpit, where they forgot the side stick! :)


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/568x378/screen_shot_2019_11_12_at_7_02_56_pm_c3a9b6a82353fc5025c8153 dd56f23db348a27c0.png

And look what's across the road - a Tu-4.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/506x376/screen_shot_2019_11_12_at_7_03_33_pm_6853417ec491b2ad207c6ac 816f27040cf04df6e.png

Welcome to the thread, Kit. You have control.

[MReyn24050]

Well as it is Open House and not wishing to see the thread die here is the next:-
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x567/pprune14_7800f0328d9acf2bf22288820bd90e42b3f4c55c.jpg

[India Four Two]

Interesting picture Mel. Looks American, side-by-side, no ejection seats(?). No flying instruments on the right, but lots of strange instruments and a myriad of CBs, so it appears to be an operational aircraft rather than a trainer. How am I doing so far? ;)

[sycamore]

Cessna T-37,or possibly an AT-37C `Super Tweet`..

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay sycamore. However it is roughly 24 hours since posting the challenge. You are correct it is the Cessna A-37, Dragonfly. You have control

[sycamore]

Likewise,sorry it`ll be OH......

[SincoTC]

Well as it is Open House and not wishing to see the thread die here is the next:-


Completely agree with that sentiment, so after a too long OH, here's another one to find!

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/724x553/wc_tc018_09c9071b56139a7aeff990db423609653506b2c1.jpg

[Self loading bear]

It is roughly alike the cockpit of the Douglas M-2
as I found on Firstaerosquadron (https://firstaerosquadron.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/003-douglas-m2.jpg)
However I cannot find any photos of the later model cockpit.
Therefore I guess for M-4

[SincoTC]

It is roughly alike the cockpit of the Douglas M-2
as I found on Firstaerosquadron (https://firstaerosquadron.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/003-douglas-m2.jpg)
However I cannot find any photos of the later model cockpit.
Therefore I guess for M-4






Now that the requisite 24 Hrs have passed since I posted, I can say yes to your assumption that it is a Douglas M-4 :D

I was hoping it might prove a little harder to find because as you say, photos of the later Douglas DAM's types are hard to find! and the M-2 cockpit you found doesn't have much in common to the M-4 except one particular instrument! True the basic panel shape is correct, but even the cutout for the throttle linkage is reversed, so very well done!

The image is on the net, having come from a Flight Archive article https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1929/1929%20-%201169.html
and on Avia Deja Vue Douglas M-1 - M-4 (http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft20558.htm)

Self loading bear has control :ok:

[Self loading bear]

Thank you SincoTC!
The instrument was the lead to the shape.
Does anybody know what that instrument is?

Now this:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x498/93602034_1f15_41b6_bd87_0b260c5821fd_105a835b1304b9aace0a5a1 8420b718d9f6e8643.jpeg

[bafanguy]

Thank you SincoTC!
The instrument was the lead to the shape.
Does anybody know what that instrument is?

Now this:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x498/93602034_1f15_41b6_bd87_0b260c5821fd_105a835b1304b9aace0a5a1 8420b718d9f6e8643.jpeg


CASA 212 ?

[Self loading bear]

Hi BG,
Welcome to this thread.
I hope the new rule has given us a new contributor as
You are qualified to compete on this thread.
Actually everybody is qualified!

You scored a hole in one for the Aviocar C212.

Photo is a Spanish example, I stumbled over it when searching for the Fuerteventura thread.
Do you have any experience on the type or was it plain internet searching?
I hope you have a challenge to post?
(we can wait for that if you have to compile something)

Best regards SLB

[bafanguy]

Photo is a Spanish example, I stumbled over it when searching for the Fuerteventura thread.Do you have any experience on the type or was it plain internet searching?Slb,

I didn't fly it but my son did. My being able to ID the CASA 212 was just a blind squirrel finding an acorn. I'm unable to compete with the level of knowledge demonstrated on this thread but I do follow it.

[India Four Two]

I assumed I was looking for a four-engined job, based on the four red handles on top of the panel. Two fire bottles per engine?

[Self loading bear]

As a squirrel you probably have the right nose for it.
Please keep following the thread.
The posting of a good challenge doesn’t need to be that difficult.
We hope that you will post a challenge one time later.
For the moment I understand you want to declare open house?

[Self loading bear]

I assumed I was looking for a four-engined job, based on the four red handles on top of the panel. Two fire bottles per engine?

Probably yes
( I did not know this feature would lead you in the wrong direction)

[India Four Two]

That’s what made it a good challenge. I must have looked at every medium-sized four-engined turboprop and jet!

[India Four Two]

I contacted bafanguy by PM. He has nothing to post, so I'm going to open the door and declare Open House.

[bafanguy]

Sorry, I'm declaring Open House.

[SincoTC]

Sorry, I'm declaring Open House.

No worries, but do feel free to compete again and maybe find something to post in the future :ok:

We haven't had a new one for several days so to keep things moving here's another!

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/947x347/wc_tc019_993527d18e58b2262eb632005c833a28b2d9a6ca.jpg

[SincoTC]

Plenty of people looking but no guesses so far :( so better give a clue! It's British, late 20's and that's a luggage compartment behind the cockpit.

[India Four Two]

Ideal for gadding about the countryside?

[SincoTC]

Ideal for gadding about the countryside?

Well. I don't thing that's too enigmatic Simon! As 24 Hrs have passed, I can reveal it is the Henderson-Glenny Gadfly. :D

You have control :ok:

[India Four Two]

Thank you SincoTC.

What an interesting little aircraft. Note the "Pearson rotary ailerons":
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/850x536/hsf2_2_8079580999cd44006c1cb02890cbe85af7a9fd05.jpg

World altitude record holder!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henderson-Glenny_Gadfly

I had something lined up but I can't find it!

Open House.

[MReyn24050]

No takers? Try this one:-
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x472/pprune21_23f817f604c696727be5e312410f60a2dc569ec0.jpg

[India Four Two]

The instruments look European to me, possibly German?

[MReyn24050]

The instruments look European to me, possibly German?
Hi Simon not European I am afraid.

[MReyn24050]

When I say "not European" I am referring to the airframe.
After a rather famous pilot had flown this aircraft he described it as one of the worst aircraft he had ever flown.

[sycamore]

Are we in the realms of Thompson Trophy racers...judging by the instrumentation and past F1 experience...?

[MReyn24050]

Are we in the realms of Thompson Trophy racers...judging by the instrumentation and past F1 experience...?

This aircraft type was not involved in Air Racing. However I believe the first of it's type did take part in a race against a speedboat. This particular aircraft was built to win a long distance record for light aircraft.

[Asturias56]

Think we're going to need more clues - is it Canadian?

[MReyn24050]

Not Canadian but right side of the Atlantic

[Asturias56]

Travel Air Type R Mystery Ship Texaco 13?

Can't find a picture of the cockpit but it looks like a dog to fly

[MReyn24050]

Travel Air Type R Mystery Ship Texaco 13?

Can't find a picture of the cockpit but it looks like a dog to fly

Not the Travel Air Type R. It was hoped, by the manufacturer of this flying machine, that it would do for aeroplanes what the Model T had done for autos.

Incidentally the attempt, back in 1928, to win a long distance record for light aircraft.in the subject aircraft failed and unfortunately the pilot was lost..

[Asturias56]

Now with that clue...... The Ford Flivver?

https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-collections/artifact/264186

OH if correct

[MReyn24050]

Now with that clue...... The Ford Flivver?

https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-collections/artifact/264186

OH if correct

It was indeed the Ford Flivver.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x482/ford_fliver_f3b79aae0543d1037913e6855faba8679ae4bc15.jpg

[Asturias56]

Quite an unpleasant aircraft according to all concerned................

[Self loading bear]

Looks a complete different cockpit from my Flivver challenge of 9 October!

[MReyn24050]

Looks a complete different cockpit from my Flivver challenge of 9 October!
The image was a screenshot from the Youtube video Ford Flivver 3218 (1928) which is a Pathe News film entitled "The Flying Flivver Lands in Washington

[Asturias56]

According to Wikkipedia there were 3 protypes plus a completely new build version so the cockpits could come from any of them:-

Ford unveiled the Flivver on his 63rd birthday, July 30, 1926. Ford's chief test pilot was Harry J. Brooks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Brooks), a young employee who had become a favorite of Ford. Brooks flew the Flivver regularly from his home garage to work at the Ford Laboratory, and later, used the second Flivver to move about the Ford properties. He once flew the aircraft in a race against Gar Wood (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gar_Wood) in Miss America V on the Detroit River during the Harmsworth Trophy Races (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmsworth_Cup).[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Flivver#cite_note-EAA-11)

In an attempt to draw on his popularity, Charles Lindbergh was invited to fly the Flivver on a visit to Ford field, August 11, 1927, and was the only other pilot to fly the Flivver prototypes.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Flivver#cite_note-12) He later described the Flivver as "one of the worst aircraft he ever flew".[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Flivver#cite_note-13)
[N 2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Flivver#cite_note-14)

A third prototype, tail number (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_registration) 3218, with "long" wings[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Flivver#cite_note-15) was built to win a long distance record for light planes in 440 to 880 lb (200 to 400 kg) "C" class.[N 3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Flivver#cite_note-17) The race was set from Ford Field in Dearborn Michigan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dearborn_Michigan) to Miami, Florida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami,_Florida). A first attempt launched on 24 January 1928, witnessed by Henry Ford, landed short in Asheville, North Carolina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asheville,_North_Carolina). A second attempt, flying the second prototype, witnessed by Edsel Ford, Brooks launched from Detroit on February 21, 1928 but landed 200 mi (320 km) short in Titusville, Florida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titusville,_Florida), where the propeller was bent, but still achieved a 972 mi (1,564 km) record.[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Flivver#cite_note-18)

During his overnight stay at Titusville, Brooks had repaired the aircraft, using the propeller from the aircraft involved in the forced landing. He had also placed wooden toothpicks in the vent holes on his fuel cap to prevent moist air from entering and condensing overnight. On February 25, Brooks took off to complete the flight, circled out over the Atlantic where his motor quit and he went down off Melbourne, Florida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne,_Florida). The wreckage of the Ford Flivver washed up, but the pilot was never found. Investigation of the wreckage disclosed that the toothpicks had plugged the fuel cap vent holes, causing an engine stoppage.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Flivver#cite_note-19)

Following the death of Brooks, Henry Ford was distraught at the loss of his friend, and light aircraft development was stopped under the Ford brand. In 1931, a new "Air Flivver" or Sky Car (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stout_Skycar) was marketed by the Stout division of Ford.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Flivver#cite_note-20) Ford went back into light plane development in 1936 with the two-seat Model 15-P (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_15-P). The prototype crashed during flight testing and did not go into production.

[dash7fan]

Just to keep the Thread running

https://i.imgur.com/TgCODE5l.jpg

[sycamore]

Possibly an Aero 145....?

[Asturias56]

certainly looks a strong possibility - tho they varied in detail a bit I think

[dash7fan]

https://i.imgur.com/DqvoLQCl.jpg

Thats the aircraft. Aero 45 or 145.

Sycamore has control

[sycamore]

Thanks,nothing at moment,soooo...OH......

[India Four Two]

Try this one:


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/720x345/wc_2019_12_02_a2a507b9fa17a8f50b4b77f1e094e77f83563726.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Aeronca 11 AC Chief perhaps, it is certainly an Aeronca aircraft I am sure.

[India Four Two]

Nothing perhaps about it, as the original photo, reveals:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1323x596/aeronca_chief_img_4831_1ea0f7ffea51628dbdad09009b85dfd2ee5bf fb9.png

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1185x578/aeronca_chief_bf90799ed2fa43c07fd6780ce7fb533af3f2249b.png

I've always felt it looked a bit odd with the snub-nose.

Mel has control.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Simon great challenge. Here is the next one:-

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x514/pprune18_73768f6cd2d1a0e4685412a215af42ef10a62fb9.jpg

[sycamore]

Boston/Havoc....?

[MReyn24050]

Boston/Havoc....?

This aircraft was not from the USA.

[Asturias56]

Is it a Beaufighter?

[MReyn24050]

Is it a Beaufighter?
This aircraft's not from the UK either.

[Fly.Buy]

Looks French,Potez type?
Possibly a Potez 63 variant?

[MReyn24050]

Looks French,Potez type?
Possibly a Potez 63 variant?
Looks Frehch because it is French bur not from Potez.

[evansb]

SNCAC NC.510 ?

[MReyn24050]

SNCAC NC.510 ?
Not the SNAC NC510 I am afraid.

[Asturias56]

Military or civil?

[MReyn24050]

Military or civil?
Definitely Military

[Asturias56]

Breguet 690 series??

[MReyn24050]

Breguet 690 series??
No sorry not Breguet

[Self loading bear]

I will stab for Bloch 170-178 series

[MReyn24050]

I will stab for Bloch 170-178 series

You have it SLB it is in fact the Bloch MB174, You have control.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks,
I could not find same cockpit photos but shape of canopy led me to this stab.

Somewhat more contemporary:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x600/55689baf_1b01_4ab5_bfb7_079d67eb5899_1457a01f0a2ad7c540920f8 b9000fc77176f4c76.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Not exactly your average A.380 .... does it have doors Bear?

[Asturias56]

You know - that look VERY rough - the carpet doesn't even match LHS/RHS (the shame! the shame!!)

it's either something old that someone has/is restored/restoring or it's a one off built by someone with my hands-on engineering skills

[Self loading bear]

With sufficient hands-on engineering skills you can fit the doors yourselves on this kit plane

[India Four Two]

No clue what it is, but that is a SERIOUS G-meter!

[Self loading bear]

No clue what it is, but that is a SERIOUS G-meter!

You might be right!
I thought it to be an Excell meter!
I don’t think the pointer will move much beyond -0,5 or +2
Especially when it is fitted with floats!

[Self loading bear]

I feel a clue is needed:
It can be found in the right part of the photo.
And a slight correction:
It is a large canopy and there are no doors

[Asturias56]

An obvious question - is this a biplane perhaps? There's an awful lot of shadows around that could be from struts for a top plane

[Self loading bear]

Yes it is a biplane

[Asturias56]

Ahhh - always reread the clues carefully ......

if I blow the picture right up I can see the word "Durand" just below the line of switches above the radios on the right of the panel - thus Google gives me the Durand MkV as back in production

OH if correct

[old,not bold]

While we're waiting......I looked up the Durand Mk V in Wiki, and saw the following;

"Durand Mk V at the Museum of Flight, Seattle (https://web.archive.org/web/20071015002558/http://www.museumofflight.org/Collection/Aircraft.asp?RecordKey=2E63FA98-1C16-441D-8396-B2C125C6AFE2) The Durand Mark V has disappeared from the Museum of flight and they do not know where it went".

Surely there must be a story there? Does anyone know more? It's such a sad little footnote.

[Self loading bear]

Ahhh - always reread the clues carefully ......

if I blow the picture right up I can see the word "Durand" just below the line of switches.,,,,

OH if correct

Oops I did not even see that myself!
the clue meant was the far forward lower wing.
Combined with the struts for the negative staggered upper wing.
You could have found this Durand Mark V when you would have searched for canard kit plane.
Instruments on the prototype were military surplus.
The large canopy slides forward and the rug on top of the dashboard and that on the floor do actually match (but not with the seats)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x600/d50cef94_f8ee_421f_825a_b6b2b2391dc1_f4bf730271118d74ac5a1fd de669df99317bbb9c.jpeg


OH called

[India Four Two]

It wasn’t at the Museum of Flight Restoration Center when I went there four years ago. I would have remembered a modern Staggerwing!

[Asturias56]

All quiet on here - try this.......

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/309x373/2019_12_14_084652_02521f399d5b27740a4e97e50cf3bf3eac7e7451.j pg

[evansb]

Ejection seat and OX, so kinda 1978-ish? Could this be a NASA vehicle?

[evansb]

Early Night-Hawk cockpit ?

[Asturias56]

Early Night-Hawk cockpit ?

Not a Night Hawk - an awful lot of these were built

The original was pre 1970's - this may be an upgrade tho around that time

[sycamore]

First shot...Soko Galeb,if I remember it correctly...?

[Asturias56]

No but getting towards the right part of the world.................

[Self loading bear]

Mig 15?
Lucky find:

edit: photo deleted, wrong MIG

[sycamore]

Yes, has to be the MiG-15.... OH if correct.....
AHH,beaten by slow computer......

[Asturias56]

Very close Bear but incorrect.................................

[India Four Two]

How about “plus 2”?

[Self loading bear]

How about “plus 2”?
I think you have a winner here!
Just found the picture of this private owned American registered machine.

[Asturias56]

I have it down as MiG 17F - and this is the picture I cropped it from............. it's run by RedStripe MIG but TBH its very similar to the Mig15 (bottom) - some differences in the side panels for example but I think Bear has the con......................

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x600/12324dfgfgdg_800_2cebb55b23b5132646e89a5f1c7510717a81490f.jp g


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/320x480/130404mig2_e13e38fce56ad9ca30c73fb0a175d377dc8eab9a.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Asturias,
But sufficient differences on the Left panel to have been able to identify correctly if I had taken more time.
I think I42 is the one to take the con.
He has nailed the score.
I will take the assist.

[Asturias56]

very gracious Bear - I42 owes you a beer................

[India Four Two]

I would be delighted to buy SLB a beer, next time he is in Calgary, but in the meantime, since I have nothing to post, I'll let SLB take over as the Handling Pilot.

I saw a Mig-17 flying at Oshkosh three years ago and marveled at the freedom that the FAA provides for rich boys and their toys. Where else could you see a privately registered Mig-17 flying around, low-level, after dark, with a ten-foot flame coming out of the jet pipe?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x675/0727_airventure_wed2142_16x9_158eb130ec5634d5eb7a1ecb17566c6 c804517ef.jpg

[Self loading bear]

I42 I will take on that beer but you can wait putting it cold as I have never visited Canada before and I doubt if I would visit for my job ever.
Back from sports I can post the following:
or should I post this under the “what engine” or the “which person” thread?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/488x586/89dab07a_5640_4222_8470_d45cb65bf7bb_7e1b5994f2324201cdc9fa7 26663ecbe64c2bfb7.png

[India Four Two]

I have a longstanding ambition to visit the Rijksmuseum. Perhaps we can get together when I come to the Netherlands.

[Self loading bear]

I shamefully admit I have not yet visited the Rijks myself.
We should have a look at the Koolhoven together!
Send me a PM anytime you firm up your ambitions.

[ea200]

Gossamer Condor?

[Asturias56]

"I have a longstanding ambition to visit the Rijksmuseum"

"I shamefully admit I have not yet visited the Rijks myself"

:eek::eek::eek: I think someone should inform the Mods - are these the sort of people they want if they are looking to attract advertisers??????

[India Four Two]

Asturias, I've never visited Ferrara either. Does that count against me as well? :E

[Asturias56]

Everyone to their own tastes!

You really SHOULD visit Ferrara - it's quiet, you can get around on push-bike, there is the usual assortment of castles and art galleries and of course, amazing food. I spend as much time as I can there .

I have visited the Rijksmuseum many times - most recently a special trip to see the Rembrandt Exhibition - ALL the Rembrandts they own - pictures, sketches, prints - truly amazing.

Calgary - been there as well - nice place but not sure I could take the weather every winter.....................

back on thread looks like ea200 is on the right lines

[Self loading bear]

Gossamer Condor?

No something more contemporary