What Cockpit?

[India Four Two]

While we are waiting for a new cockpit, I thought I should post this lovely picture that I have just found. The X-14B is on right base for Moffett Field in 1974.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/902x704/screen_shot_2022_03_06_at_8_49_44_pm_e3c8c161dd103ca1f574e37 d9a2e66c11d0b433c.png

[meleagertoo]

Open House please

[Noyade]

I only have an outside shot.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x446/scan0898_86e9482bea92309d206bdb2621304c2c30c4e758.jpg

[sycamore]

Midget Mustang,or Cosmic Wind...?

[Noyade]

Tis a Kitplane sycamore - but neither of those.
Here's a full view shot...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x470/scan0919_764f72a5ace0a4cc88098807c16fa7efc6422e0a.jpg

[India Four Two]

I wonder if the little horizontal stabilizer was a post-test flying mod?

[meleagertoo]

It's a Lowell Borchers Delta Stingray, an all-plywood variant of the Dyke Delta (3-4 seats)
The small horizontal stab was apparently to increase elevon authority at low speeds.

[Noyade]

That's him. :ok: Yours Meleagertoo.

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/324x216/screenshot_2022_03_15_at_10_48_51_56eb97a0b738c33d2527d6f7e7 536fab64a98667.png

[Asturias56]

Looks like an old Vauxhall I had once.............................. :{

[sycamore]

Cri-Cri....?

[meleagertoo]

Nowhere close.

[India Four Two]

American? Home built?

[Asturias56]

has that Sears Roebuck look for sure..................

[Beamr]

I believe we are looking at a helicopter. Haven't figured out what/where/when yet though.

[India Four Two]

Bottom instrument, second column from the right. Is that a tachometer for a turbine engine?

[Beamr]

Bottom instrument, second column from the right. Is that a tachometer for a turbine engine?
no idea, but the far left second row sure looks like Engine/Rotor RPM gauge.

[meleagertoo]

Asturias - don't be coy!
I can see you've got it!

[Asturias56]

Honestly I haven't!!!! We just have a lot of Sears Roebuck furniture at Casa Asturias. Like Frasier's Dad's chair....... damn good value, but lasts forever.... :(

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/225x225/frasier_chair_6a75c2f33bc635a9288c8c94a782d422c872b48d.jpg

[meleagertoo]

American? Home built?
Yes.

But by cryptic clues Asturias is way out ahead..(and I wasn't referring to Sears Roebuck)

[meleagertoo]

Oh dear! I'm a bit stung no-one's got this yet!

look -

It's American.
Sears Robuck, that made me laugh -cetainly nailed the era! (That ghastly panel reminds me of the AMC Pacer!)
It's probably a homebuilt (not all were)
It certainly isn't a Vauxhall
Helo?...I'm not commenting on that.

Turbine? No. Just a 150Hp Lycoming.

No one here following my clumsy cryptic clues?

​​​​​​​I still find it hard to believe that Asturias hasn't got it.

[Asturias56]

Honestly I'm really puzzled ............................... I suspect from your comments that "Vauxhall" is more important than "Sears" here but I am as baffled as everyone else - it's a great challenge!

I did think "Ercoupe" but they filled in the whole area ahead of the pilot(s) IIRC

[Self loading bear]

Air and Space 18A?

[meleagertoo]

There's a clue hidden in plain sight in my last post.

Asturias - both correct, though Sears too was describing a well-past it style. (Sorry, did you like your Vauxhall?)
SLB, on the right sort of track - getting warmer.

There aren't many in this class of aircraft - once you ascertian the nature of the beast you'll soon be on it and there are more than enough clues here to do that. (And not all written by me...)

Further pic tomorrow if brains don't engage tonight!

[Asturias56]

Lets think................

vauxhall - might be the same name as an old Vauxhall car - Robinson Astra? don't think so

Or perhaps of the correct vintage the Burton Cavalier?

[Self loading bear]

Bensen B8??

[meleagertoo]

Asturias, your musings re 'Vauxhall' are now even closer to a solution than you imagine. Develop that idea. Oh man, you're gonna kick yourself!
SLB, no. Barking up the wrong tree again. The right tree is close by!

Guys, read my posts again - carefully. There isn't a single line there (I think) that isn't relevant...

Hey - I hope this teasing isn't against the spirit of this thread, I feel that we've just about played this game out as there are few cockpits left to guess and maybe a bit of stringing along rejuvenates the interest.
Tell me if I'm wrong- please!

[Self loading bear]

The right tree is just beside:
The Eich JE-2 could fit the tree.
All other clues are beyond me.

[Self loading bear]

Or building on the car theme
Schramm/Rotorway Javelin?

[meleagertoo]

Ah! Now you're making progress. The Eich is still up the wrong tree, your next attempt isn't...

ps. Never heard of Eich before - what an astonishing range of gyros he came up with!

[Asturias56]

Personally I've found this a great challenge - and made even better (or worse?) by the fact I seem to have the Golden Ticket but can't recognise it.............. I shall put my revolver and a glass of whisky to hand for action when someone nails this. :confused:

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/356x437/screenshot_2022_03_19_at_16_32_44_9118a72df76cb6e060857435fe b59981d10a0d70.png

[Self loading bear]

Didn’t pop-up so easily
Hillman Hornet

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1439/55810b0b_9cf9_4142_a308_80c43a3729c3_9f7f41569bb4dee3004c493 480c7367a7d52589a.jpeg

[meleagertoo]

Yeehaaar!

Not a bad looking toy despite the ghastly associations of its name!

Sorry Asturias, I was so sure you were onto that!

Mostly homebuilt, some fctory built, there was even a turbine version apparently. They flew well by all accounts.
The confusion sown on the instrument panel is that to reduce cost they used separate engine and rotror RPM gauges (the two big identical ones) instead of a more conventional but costly dual-tacho.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/317x182/screenshot_2022_03_20_at_19_46_34_d0cad96d15fdd0dabd64683f6e 41ed6d60bb73cc.png

I think SLB is in charge of the next devious plot to bamboozle us...

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Mel,

I didn’t make the vauxhall /hillman link but still an entertaining challenge.

Now this particular aircraft.
Only highly clipped YouTube screenshot available.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/818x369/aebc3b6a_0f99_421e_98fd_56a76cca2a13_79979cd0cae7192927f8a3e 671fd550521cd28ad.jpeg

[meleagertoo]

Looks like something out of Burt Rutan's catalogue.

[Noyade]

It certainly does...


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x376/scan0925_f60f03ec7271aa75e4dc573bee3cfb0a0388fcd4.jpg

[Asturias56]

That Hillman challenge ;)!

I was lucky never to own one.......................................... brilliant!!

[Self loading bear]

That Hillman challenge ;)!

I was lucky never to own one.......................................... brilliant!!

Keeping up appearances!
Mrs Bouquet speaking

[Self loading bear]

Noyade was quick at the finish with the Focke Wulf F19 Ente.
That must have been a terrible cockpit.
Modeled like one big air scoop.
Turbulence must have been enormous.

[India Four Two]

I initially thought that was Neil Williams in the cockpit!

Slb, that was my thought. Sitting in an open cockpit, perfectly inline with the canard’s downwash!

Why didn’t they make the cockpit enclosed?

Incidentally, “ente” is the German word for “duck”, which of course is “canard” in French. :)

[Noyade]

Thanks SLB.

Try this one. I didn't see it pop up in "Search this Thread."

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x661/scan0927_9be2250ee3210cf13530341576c7649cdeeadd56.jpg

[sycamore]

Looks a bit Russian..Po-2...?

[Noyade]

USA.
A little over 600 built - says Wiki.

[Noyade]

Very well known manufacturer - with an alphabet soup designation system.

[Self loading bear]

Nice, When somebody is going to make a call, I take it that you approve of any of the 18 listed sub type letter/digit combinations?

[Noyade]

Nice, When somebody is going to make a call, I take it that you approve of any of the 18 listed sub type letter/digit combinations?

Preferably this model mate, the most numerous...


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x428/scan0933_f799ebf6fab8c7babd2a7d13200d879bd16fbbc8.jpg

[Noyade]

Surgery tomorrow - again. Non-weight bearing for two weeks. :ouch:
So I'll drop the answer later tonight - if no answer.

https://www.adelaideankle.com.au/achilles-speedbridge

[kenparry]

Best wishes for that, Noyade - but I trust you will still be able to lift a tinnie?

[meleagertoo]

Its a Waco UPF7.

[Noyade]

Best wishes for that, Noyade - but I trust you will still be able to lift a tinnie?

Thanks Ken! I've already positioned 'refreshments' close to my sick-bed. :ok:

[Noyade]

Its a Waco UPF7.

That's the one, Mel. :ok:

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/595x403/f3d_skyknight_78c9bf73f68bc1f169454560c85051517aa9ff3f.png

[Asturias56]

Side by side seating - has a '60's or 70's look to it............................. pretty light frames TBH

maybe something like an A-37?

[sycamore]

AD-5N ,or EA-1F Skyraider/Spad/Dump-truck....name any 25+ roles,from trainer to tanker,and nuclear strike,it could do it,and lift more `ordnance `than it`s basic weight...

[meleagertoo]

Bigger and heavier than a Tweet.
Not a mud mover. Pretty much single role.
Surprisingly over 250 made.
Useful active service career.

[Asturias56]

watch out for the 24 hour rule................

[Beamr]

The pilots of this thing must've worn a shining armor.

[India Four Two]

Without looking it up, Skyknight? Was the pilot’s name Willie? ;)

[meleagertoo]

Skynight indeed - so loved by the Marines they called it the Whale or less politely Drut.
Willie? Shot-over, do explain!

[India Four Two]

"Willie the Whale"

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1732x682/screen_shot_2022_03_26_at_2_37_54_pm_9348392af09b2c5e92ff749 29d62dc34e7c7da49.png


Beamr clearly had it before me, so I'll pass the baton to him.

[Beamr]

ok, let's try this one, yet again don't think this'll take too long.
But I've proven to be wrong from time to time.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/482x504/whatsthis_d04ca61bd5f93a6a5448e4257db767aeddb4759c.jpg

[AlphaMikeTango]

I believe its that of the Japanese Okha (aka "Baka") kamikaze rocket aircraft

[Beamr]

Yes, thats the one, Ohka aka cherry blossom. Occurred to me as it is cherry blossom season in Tokyo currently. Your control!

[AlphaMikeTango]

Thank you but will have to hand the stick back to you for this round. Sadly as a newbie I still have a few posts to make before I can include URLs.
I have a couple of nice ones I look forward to posting shortly.

[Beamr]

No problem, open house declared!

[India Four Two]

AMT,

You can post a URL if you delete the “https://“ and just write it as non-clickable text.

[Self loading bear]

A cabin shot to fill -in the open house:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/298x431/acf0bc76_9690_4d24_a989_e9086fb1e11c_0c5d805b2b1b3aaca3a8020 b93f930e4f72a6a3e.jpeg

[Beamr]

I'll throw in the soviet TsaGI PS-9 /ANT-9 from late 20's. I can't find that specific picture of yours but there are similarities in the pictures I do find.

[Self loading bear]

Your time period is about right.
But the aircraft isn’t Russian.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x306/2ead6961_d474_4686_b9f6_d50ea9f17483_de4a6a80e32cded97d56c20 e61c8be3974ead451.jpeg

[Self loading bear]

I am almost out of photos:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/475x640/681c755d_8b72_4253_8460_8c12cb829453_d5cbfb69ae4afde120f148e 84031b80ceb4f3583.jpeg

[PPRuNe Towers]

Don't give up AlphaMikeTango!

That last mournful post took you over the URL posting limitation...

Rob

[Noyade]

That rather uncomfortable looking fold-out chair does appear in a British troop-carrier.
Vickers Victoria?

Vickers Victoria (http://airwar.ru/enc/cw1/victoria.html)


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x509/victoria_2425445f1ea0b447ac6cf1f3af766f28492ac1e2.png

[Self loading bear]

Noyade has the controls with the Vickers Victoria.
A Rather elegant fuselage for its size and time.

[meleagertoo]

Can anyone explain the purpose of the peculiar face to face arrangement, apparently with instruments and some sort of control wheels in the orignal pic #2820?

[Noyade]

Can anyone explain the purpose of the peculiar face to face arrangement, apparently with instruments and some sort of control wheels in the orignal pic #2820?

Training purposes?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x213/capture_18d49e720d045d9355be6bb952970b92013175cf.png

[Noyade]

Thanks SLB.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x559/scan0936_79eb98754853e0b2f272126eb349007862814e0f.jpg

[sycamore]

Something Japanese perhaps...`Betty`...?

[Noyade]

Hi Sycamore. Not Japanese, but another Axis power....

[Noyade]

This is the aircraft Lufthansa "rejected."

[Noyade]

Outside...


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/550x357/scan0942_e4a9a42ac13fabbd1c326c95d6d13f1835511267.jpg

[Noyade]

I'll end this one for Easter - The Dornier Do 17 V2.
Open House.

[bafanguy]

Thanks SLB.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x559/scan0936_79eb98754853e0b2f272126eb349007862814e0f.jpg

What are the two levers in the center of the instrument panel ? They have the appearance of landing gear levers but two of them ? Throttles maybe ?

[India Four Two]

This should be easy for the mathematicians among us:


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1066x672/screen_shot_2022_04_29_at_11_17_45_pm_a053d8cae6375ea6880841 7c6ef12f6d8d63bc26.png

[albatross]

WAG BN Trislander. I recall one used for geophysical. survey across Canada. I think Saunders owned it.
I think the Junkers JU-52 had all 3 RPM gauges mounted in a horizontal row not the pyramid as seen here.

[BSD]

I'll warrant its Australia and not Canada where this tri-motor was built and flew.........

I haven't got a suitable offering to submit if I master the challenge, so I'll leave it to someone who has one.

Love this thread and keen to see it flourish.

[India Four Two]

BSD,

Let me guess - you were looking at the radio stack to identify the correct hemisphere! :rolleyes:

[Noyade]

Australia and not Canada where this tri-motor was built and flew.........

Drover?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x426/20200226_105504_3014268c01e21a187b3a0df5ff9bf291df5767f9.jpg

[India Four Two]

Noyade has it with the DHA-3 Drover.

Effectively a three-engined fixed-gear tail-dragger Dove with Tiger Moth engines!


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1806x755/90104013_6755_4cfd_a672_259bd3a184f1_15ece4fde604cf07b4a2f4d 31b5f0ff095d00bad.jpeg


Wondering what happened to the DHA-1 and -2? I leave that question as an exercise for the reader! :)

Noyade has control.

[BSD]

Dead right I 4-2: the Sunair HF gave it away. Though I was surprised to see the "Sunair Electronics Co USA" on the set. My memory must be fading: I would have sworn all the ones I used were made by AWA - Amalgamated Wireless Australia?

They all seemed to work pretty well though.

I've never seen a Drover actually fly, but have a vague recollection there might have been one in a museum at Southend. Always wondered what they were like to fly,

What cockpit? and Which Aerodrome - make PPRUNE worth looking at IMHO.

Cheers!

[albatross]

Drover…..never heard of that one. You learn something new everyday. Gotta luv the Sunair crystal controlled HF.

[Asturias56]

"Drover…..never heard of that one"

used to occur in old TV series etc about the Outback - Flying Doctor type shows etc IRRC

[India Four Two]

Always wondered what they were like to fly,

I’ve always wondered what they sounded like. I imagine it must’ve been like a formation of Tiger Moths!

Duh! What about searching YouTube, I42?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Htu8b7y4t_s

[Noyade]

Thanks Simon - and BSD for the clues.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x532/scan0930_5cd178af683f1ecdb608e20bdfcc51c795e01752.jpg

[India Four Two]

Gotta luv the Sunair crystal controlled HF.
Yes, I remember seeing those in aircraft in Australia.

Noyade,
Interesting photo. Let's narrow it down a bit. Giant stick and European-style instruments, no sign of Cyrillic or the famous "Mig clock", so probably Eastern European. Reflector gunsight, so a fighter or fighter-trainer.

Upon close inspection, I see the Turn Indicator is labelled S and D, so I'm guessing Romanian (Stânga and Dreapta).

[Asturias56]

IAR-80? possible but ........... maybe the IAR 471?

[Noyade]

Italian aircraft.

[Self loading bear]

I don’t want to spoil the fun and give the answer.
But please give a warning when no one else posts
I do not want this to end that Noyade has to reveal again and declare open house.

[bafanguy]

There are what appears to be identical instruments on the upper right and lower left of this instrument panel. What are they ?


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x532/scan0930_5cd178af683f1ecdb608e20bdfcc51c795e01752.jpg


There are what appears to be identical instruments on the upper right and lower left of this instrument panel. What are they ?

[sycamore]

They maybe `rounds counters` as there maybe a `guns charging/cocking `handle on the bottom of the panel; probably one on left too,but maybe for a different calibre weapon....

[Noyade]

Looking left...


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/785x535/scan0963_96586392b1a133a14c78ea8478c0ed2088f4068c.jpg

[sycamore]

Possibly a Fiat G-50....

[Noyade]

Possibly a Fiat G-50....

Indeed it is. All yours Sycamore. :ok:

[sycamore]

Sorry,late on parade...Open House....

[Self loading bear]

To fill the open house:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1021x458/840dc253_331c_4874_ad82_d7650ad925c0_244adb5f4a4a006c4464282 423e20d745fd4599f.jpeg

[Asturias56]

those lovely wood wheels!

the padded sides!!!!

Some up market transportation I think - but it looks as if the picture was taken through a doorway of some sort - so perhaps a "business" aircraft?

[meleagertoo]

That pic screams updated Ford Trimotor so it's a Stout Bushmaster.

[Self loading bear]

That pic screams updated Ford Trimotor so it's a Stout Bushmaster.

I cropped the windows from the photo but it is not enough to fool the pro.
Mel has it with the Stout Bushmaster.
You have control.

[meleagertoo]

Here's an easy one!

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/601x605/screenshot_2022_05_10_at_13_26_27_d827b79ed828599c1f76813aa3 3c10ec1bfa5926.png

[UV]

Looks like it could be very friendly in there!

[sycamore]

Back seat of the Hustler...?

[meleagertoo]

Friendly? Darned uncomfortable I'd say!
Sycamore, sorry, no.

[CoodaShooda]

Uncomfortable - but you can go a long way in a short time. 7 league boots spring to mind.

[UV]

Is it a plane? Is it a bird?
Is it either?

[Asturias56]

Not an RA-5C either

But it might be a Mercury space craft???? :ooh:

[meleagertoo]

Does "might be" qualify as a bid?
I guess so!

Indeed it is Freedom 7, Glenn's Mercury ride.

Asturias has control.

[Asturias56]

Only got it because we visited Cape Canaveral just before CV-19! How those guys managed in those early multi-crewed capsules is way beyond me. So claustrophobic

Try this.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/577x196/2022_05_12_085532_72c2a376125cff75027d30fafd8efa71628e3fa0.j pg

[kenparry]

B-36 possibly?

[Asturias56]

Big - but not THAT big..............

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/372x213/2022_05_15_164049_43d13136b5de2c6b79201e5b0f6e1503047444d7.j pg

[sycamore]

Might be a `Bear`...?

[Asturias56]

We are getting closer................

[sycamore]

Change of uniform..? Tu-114..?

[Asturias56]

Yes indeed - The beast from the East.......... I was surprised to read that they had a very good safety record - only one fatal accident and that occurred on the ground. But flying 10,000 km trips soon ran up the hours and they were all scrapped mid 70's I think. Not sure if you paid extra for the nose seat..............

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/331x152/114ad_c7a77e68265d4fe7233302ba8825dbafac1d6424.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/980x628/2022_05_17_153734_bfdc7e543b9f6f50033ed06a8b3582f90a414273.j pg

[sycamore]

As `Ast56` hasn`t responded with a declaration,I will,but it`ll have to be `OPEN HOUSE....

[bafanguy]

Where are the throttles in that TU-114 cockpit ?

[Furniture Saver]

They’re outboard of the pilots’ seats, on a shelf.

[Asturias56]

"As `Ast56` hasn`t responded with a declaration"

Sorry I though the words "Yes indeed -" were OK - and I posted a picture of the aircraft..................

[sycamore]

Sorrrreeeeee....!

[bafanguy]

They’re outboard of the pilots’ seats, on a shelf.

Ah so...that may explain the odd configuration of the yokes.

[dixi188]

Ah so...that may explain the odd configuration of the yokes.
The rudder pedals look a bit odd too. Are they for pilots who walk like a duck?

[Self loading bear]

Too bridge the gap:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/842x750/f35c857c_6f60_40b7_8777_5ef86e977f3d_6321e506586e419088df570 55d0ec965a88e6f7e.jpeg

[Noyade]

Pilot looks uncomfortable/cramped.
British?

[India Four Two]

Noyade,

I disagree. The panel is too well laid out to be British! On the right, there appears to be a rotary ignition switch, so I'm going to suggest US.

[Asturias56]

Not an adjustable seat by the look of it!

[Self loading bear]

Indeed US
Single seat
(or should I say 7/8 seat?)

[Self loading bear]

Cockpit outside view.
For more clues I would have to transfer to the Name that aircraft thread.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/481x294/32a93221_349c_402c_a96d_3fa0da18325f_58a336d013e474cdcb2b8d0 1db25dfa7dacc9d06.jpeg

[meleagertoo]

Is is a blimp/airship?

[Self loading bear]

Is is a blimp/airship?

Don’t make it bigger than it is.

[meleagertoo]

So its just a balloon...?

[Noyade]

Something similar in size and shape to the Beecraft Honey Bee?

[Self loading bear]

Something similar in size and shape to the Beecraft Honey Bee.

Similar in size but not in shape.
Only half the horsepower.

[Noyade]

For more clues I would have to transfer to the Name that aircraft thread.


Would/should we recognise it if we saw the full aircraft picture?
Or a very rare one-off?
In Aerofiles?

[Self loading bear]

It is in aerofiles
One off

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1260x750/b4615d13_b467_48ec_a0ff_95a3868b2fab_061793c059a223d5b505f7b 743d9616e1ad3941a.jpeg

[Noyade]

It is in aerofiles


But no photo?
Pontius Model II?
Or Pontius Pocket Biplane?
Based on the famous Flea.

[Self loading bear]

Noyade has it with the Pontius pocket biplane.
The cockpit is a shot from the YouTube Pontius

[Noyade]

Thanks Bear.
I have nothing at the moment - so Open House.

In the meantime - have a look at this. From a recent magazine purchase on the V-Bombers - despite the caption and based on the framing, is this not a Victor cockpit?


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x781/scan0999_2117f69c337d28e099024d2ce0422b5b84639538.jpg

[Asturias56]

Ahhh - the original "Quiet Cockpit" design.................

[kenparry]

The Vulcan had "umbrella-handle" control sticks, for operation by one hand only, not the yoke shown. Yes, definitely a Victor, confirmed by the windscreen layout also.

[Noyade]

Thanks for the confirmation Ken. :ok:

[Noyade]

Taking the open house...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/850x537/scan1001_f6ea65d60c0a66aafaf731efa83ab23872bd02ce.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Am I the only taker?
The articulated boom/drogue, looks to be of a F-105 Thunderchief.
But I cannot match it with any belly photo.
Then above that ?F-105? Is a KC-135 Stratotanker.
So we probably see a very rare triple refueling.
Now the receiver is not a Thud….

[Noyade]

I can assist further by showing the author/photographer dismount from said aircraft.
Taken from a 1965 edition of National Geographic.





https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x679/scan1008_9524373ee4d8d792b8f4eb04bfd74a2ec8b3211e.jpg

[India Four Two]

The tricky exit for the GIB is a bit of a give-away. A "Hun" two-seater - F-100F?

I didn't realize that any USAF aircraft had refuelling probes.

[Noyade]

A "Hun" two-seater - F-100F?


Indeed it is Simon. Over to you. :ok:
And here's the single seater topping-up crossing the Atlantic photographed by the gent above.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x659/scan1013_dcd6ded5f0f2840e242b094a54c68e9220c6d936.jpg

[India Four Two]

Thanks mate!

Here's something from an earlier era:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x800/wc_2022_05_28_70a747b214a4595172395ea03f61a50512e43d2d.jpg

[India Four Two]

Panel during restoration:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x631/screen_shot_2022_05_29_at_09_16_04_85d002487aa1f54a5b6b1666c 241a7289d754e00.png

[Noyade]

Hi Simon.
Painted yellow on the outside?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/580x560/yellow_269e82a89a0f96d455a4e488db98215d9c414f58.png

[India Four Two]

Indeed, with some green trim.

[BSD]

Yellow outside with some green trim?

Oh dear. I was hoping it might be a Lockheed Vega, but the colour scheme I suspect makes it unlikely...

Cheers.

[India Four Two]

This green trim. ;)


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/181x118/605af9ff_42c9_4fd4_8534_f311cf133951_cc986eed9ac15d70acf159b 666e974639c641040.jpeg

[Noyade]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/555x449/scan1029_4b61e844f81f79c7035633f63d127a5d160d003d.jpg
I failed Kindergarten.

[India Four Two]

Can you find a crayon to add the registration? ;)

[Asturias56]

will someone just tell us what it is? :bored:

[Noyade]

Well I thought someone would step in.
Lock me in for the Fokker Super Universal?

[India Four Two]

Noyade has it - CF-AAM, a restored Fokker Super Universal.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/890x582/f4e37444_4b24_4183_b22e_a277c242da84_1122f090388a066a37816cd df6f85e7279f05f72.jpeg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/0f765bbb_4dec_432d_a8c3_ab7f224488fb_ae186b1b2c9aa9d11f47573 1c6f19490efde64e7.jpeg

I saw it once when it was flown into my gliding club’s airfield by Clark Seaborn, the restorer.

The sad thing is that after being flown around for several years, Clark was contractually required to deliver it to Winnipeg to be marooned forever in a museum!

More details and great videos here:

https://myamazingyukonlife.com/015-restoring-the-fokker-super-universal-cf-aam-aircraft-to-her-halcyon-days/

Noyade has the con.

[Noyade]

Thanks Simon.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x560/scan1034_fa5b48f311c20f7b9d9dddc00a91a8cdd9ad77fe.jpg

[Noyade]

American.
Wiki says only three built.

[Asturias56]

Looks low to the ground.............

[Self loading bear]

Looks like a right piece of kid.

[sycamore]

Looks like a `super-tweet` T-37`...?..or something from Mr Rutan..?

[Noyade]

Looks like a `super-tweet` T-37`...?..or something from Mr Rutan..?

Well - I'll accept that. SLD must also know it as well with his Fair-child clue. I have seen it labelled as the Super Tweet and Rutan was involved so over to you Sycamore or SLD. :ok:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_T-46

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x372/scan1035_dfb741a8bc17034f9f3669d3ca6294b59e2b5140.jpg

[sycamore]

I`ll pass to SLD...

[Self loading bear]

Ok thanks Sycamore and Noyade,
I found about 6 types of same layout and time period.
So brace yourselves for the future!

First this:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/550x557/555f9b60_10c3_4f23_8afb_11922ce86069_ef7f8df92c0deced7152b0a 56bd63b48ebe09537.jpeg

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

I dunno what this Lovely is - but it is saying "Fly Me !" Would Ernest Gann be at home here?

[Noyade]

Hi SLD.
Interesting. I've been looking at lotta aircraft with a central piece of cockpit glass. The net shows a variety of cockpit layouts, but I think it's this machine...


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/418x684/scan1038_22cbc01f61f245d3f3f3d565a5a3c04b6e577277.jpg

[sycamore]

I think it is powered by Hercules,or Centaurus......

[UV]

One of these?!

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/714x461/eb1daffb_c85b_4cab_8a35_23e2aa500436_ab13291ff97f0b8c05535e0 437dcafc247e6dfab.jpeg

[Self loading bear]

One of these?!

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/714x461/eb1daffb_c85b_4cab_8a35_23e2aa500436_ab13291ff97f0b8c05535e0 437dcafc247e6dfab.jpeg

this looks more as the Stratolaunch 0.0

[Asturias56]

Hell of a First Class Section there - you could almost hold a dance in it!

[Self loading bear]

Hell of a First Class Section there - you could almost hold a dance in it!
More like a Belgium or Ost-Frisian bus:
Everybody can sit in the front.

Is there anyone naming the challenge?
or I will reveal and declare OH tomorrow noon.

[UV]

Sud-Ouest Bretagne.OH if correct.

[Self loading bear]

Sud-Ouest Bretagne.OH if correct.

Exactly!
I don’t know if Ernest Gann flew one of these, but indeed a “Fly me” appearance!

Open house called.

[Self loading bear]

To keep the thread alive:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x897/60536397_58f7_45f6_873d_ca3ff65d96fe_1bf67fde64a1dfdc57ae07e 1dd5e8f21581f04b9.jpeg

[India Four Two]

1920s twin-engined American bomber?

[Asturias56]

"Gasoline" - so American for sure - looks like a nose gunner pops up in front of the windscreen as well

[Asturias56]

looks like the Bellanca 77-140 perhaps?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/545x315/2022_06_20_101101_3fecad4a46a58fbbea6c51c02f13be2f44b8eb7a.j pg

[Self loading bear]

1920s twin-engined American bomber?
This way no additional clues required!

But not a Bellanca, I am afraid.

[meleagertoo]

Clearly not that Bellanca as the engines are watercooled,

[Self loading bear]

No takers yet?
It seems the 3 clues are not enough?
Try searching experimental bomber.

[Asturias56]

Is it American Bear?

[Self loading bear]

Yes definitely
and 1920s
and twin engine
and Water cooled

[Noyade]

Hi Bear.
Based on the clues and with a significant amount of angled spinterproof(?) glass - possibly the Curtiss B-2 Condor?
It has a swing-over control column.
But the framing does look slightly different...



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/518x346/glass_2e7ed87c8dfe6341b978c7e6cfaaa41db865c332.png

[Self loading bear]

Give that man a cigar!
Indeed the Curtiss B-2.
My photo is of the XB-2 prototype which might explain the slightly different window framing.

swing over the controls to Noyade.

[Noyade]

Apologies for the delay - thanks Bear.
Under construction...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/888x547/capture_7425db8727af2ea9a97f31e7a876707ac36a0713.png

[India Four Two]

US Navy, late 20s, early 30s, biplane (?)

[Noyade]

US Navy.
First flight 1923.
Biplane.

[Noyade]

A little of the outside...


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/553x340/cockpit_area_e165ef57bd3ecb8f5efb0a8ec12ac45ffb41bd45.jpg

[zetec2]

Pyrene ? don't they make fire extinguishers ?

[Self loading bear]

Strut arrangement is a lot alike Douglas DT-2 etc.
But that flew 1921.

[Asturias56]

Curtiss CS Seagull?

[Noyade]

Curtiss CS

That part will do me - the Curtiss CS-1. Over to you A56.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x632/curtiss_cs_1_sc_1_scout_3_2f848050adcbc909f551c41f77142c131b dcc7e0.jpg

[Asturias56]

Thank you

24 hours up so ... can't see this one lasting long.......

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/202x297/2022_06_26_170437_18ef827f2eab4fe8277053cd96c7a0fedeed580c.j pg

[Noyade]

Concorde??

[BSD]

I was just about suggest it might go very quickly.....

[Asturias56]

well that was quick but no - it isn't Concorde...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/416x167/2022_06_26_170458_840d7763a296b43d2fc1b9bfe51fc72dd7021b5c.j pg

[India Four Two]

That bilious shade of green makes me think "Russian aircraft!" - so Concordski?

[Beamr]

That dash is from Tupolev TU-144, but that first pic... 99,9% sure it is of a Concorde. So which is it then?

[Asturias56]

It is the TU_144 - I grabbed the "concorde" photo of a site that was all Tu-144 so I think it's OK - apologies if it was wrong

Over to India 42

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/625x390/2022_06_26_170234_932ad85d0dc1598e0780e6656e1626cb85ba55c7.j pg

[India Four Two]

Open house, chaps.

[Beamr]

as OH, I'll take the opportunity to present this

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/598x441/test_0f8641e64c8f1ad296fbc0d890bb2d79c3037dce.jpg

[meleagertoo]

It's a Kfir C7

[Beamr]

It's a Kfir C7
Absolutely, the Israeli fast jet of which 220 samples were made and it was based on Mirage 5
Ball is in your corner meleagertoo!

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/610x299/screenshot_2022_06_30_at_14_44_02_0bba444732cbd0339acdaa43ac 0d98473219d844.png

[Self loading bear]

This is a tough one.
The petrol valve in the lower right corner can be typically British.
Something just after WW1 and somewhat bigger than a Sopwith Camel or such fighters.

[meleagertoo]

A bit unfair perhaps as there is nothing in the pic to lead you to an answer. This is in fact a scarce development of a much better known aircraft so the base type will be accepted.
British, first flight a year after the Camel and much bigger and far more sophisticated. Excellent performance and ordered in thousands but only a few hundred actually built.

Many enjoyed lengthy careers after the war in various guises.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/361x363/screenshot_2022_07_03_at_23_12_10_ff8fc8e487905d8cb502ee0d7f f3b7334a1095ce.png

[Asturias56]

Martinsyde Buzzard?

[meleagertoo]

Ah! Too much information! Yes, a 'tinsyde.
Impressive aeroplane for its time. Survived in military service in Spain until 1937 apparenty!
You have control.

[Asturias56]

This one is a bit odd - it's quite hard to find tw o pictures that show identical cockpits..........

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/310x268/2022_07_04_182123_700902aef661194e3ea2d4899e6b45ac09563d04.j pg

[Asturias56]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/285x196/2022_07_04_182316_ce8cd5fd56c06adb7078ef3e1b3a3f3cc938b094.j pg

[BSD]

If this is correct, I'm afraid I'll have to declare open house:

Breguet Alize would be my guess.

BSD.

[Asturias56]

whilst we watch the clock........

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/346x375/2022_07_04_182216_e2456bce5ca9135021faf626e108b2d42f0337e6.j pg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/124x260/2022_07_04_182149_6516d393c90df7bc8efd0f330375f057f55cee6d.j pg

[Asturias56]

24 hours up more or less - yes the Alize - as I said hard to find two pictures with identical cockpits

OH called!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x683/breguet_1050_alize_france_navy_an1945053_bc572341ec71a74f092 a65e4f745f88c08bc53c4.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/273x185/downloaqweqwewewed_31a2a247f551aea9df090d93a975e8d3a8378166. jpg

[Self loading bear]

Your photo of #2969 is clearly not from an Alize.
I now post it in different frame as the new challenge

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/263x389/b9575e7a_9db0_4abe_bf06_f73e623f1f67_2e482ef116ea79aa3fbaf61 4c48cd07d0ade2b06.jpeg

[Noyade]

Hi Bear.
The French Crusader?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x756/scan1064_be3abf3e5caab9ec1b99f736f6e56979db26171f.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Hi Bear.
The French Crusader?


Indeed a French Crusader.
The photo indeed pops up when you search for Alize cockpit.
This crusader is in the same museum aeronaval in Rochefort France.

(I posted a challenge of the Alize gate guardian museum
in Which Aerodrome)

of you go!

[Noyade]

Thanks Bear!


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x621/scan1033_47b25d1a40f0404214bb232da4183a29deedf7d1.jpg

[Asturias56]

"Indeed a French Crusader." - well I'll be damned................... aplogies

[Self loading bear]

The ejection seat looks like a Martin Baker mk10.
Which is only used in the Tucano and the Super Tucano.
That fits the canopy shape but not the HUD and dash.

[Noyade]

Only one built...

[Asturias56]

pretty modern cockpit - I though it might be the Balzac but it's later than that

[Noyade]

I though it might be the Balzac but it's later than that

Yes, 24 years after the Balzac...

[sycamore]

Rockwell-MBB-X-31,,Bitsa

[Self loading bear]

Rockwell-MBB-X-31,,Bitsa
wiki says 2 built of the x-31
I think it is a baby hurricane.

[Noyade]

Not the X-31.
If you elaborate Bear - it's all yours.

In the meantime, here's a more detailed shot of the mystery cockpit...


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x759/scan1074_7f81f6dacc527b0dfe74f104a12c54f4113b46c0.jpg

[Asturias56]

"although it borrowed heavily on design elements and sometimes actual parts of previous production, prototype, and conceptual aircraft designs, including the British Aerospace Experimental Airplane Programme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_EAP) (choice of wing type with canards, plus underfuselage intake), the German TKF-90 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon#Origins) (wing planform concepts and underfuselage intake), F/A-18 Hornet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F/A-18_Hornet) (forebody, including cockpit, ejection seat, and canopy; electrical generators), F-16 Fighting Falcon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon) (landing gear, fuel pump, rudder pedals, nosewheel tires, and emergency power unit), F-16XL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16XL) (leading-edge flap drives), V-22 Osprey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-22_Osprey) (control surface actuators), Cessna Citation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation) (main landing gear's wheels and brakes), F-20 Tigershark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark) (hydrazine emergency air-start system, later replaced) and B-1 Lancer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer) (spindles from its control vanes used for the canards)."

They forgot anything from the Bristol freighter!! No wonder they only built a couple

[Noyade]

British Aerospace Experimental Airplane Programme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_EAP)

And now we're done!
Over to you A56.....:ok:

[Asturias56]

Actually I only posted about the bits that went into the X-31 originally ... then re reading it I realised that of course the cockpit IS the EAP..... :uhoh:

I really can't claim this - Bear or OH!!!

[Self loading bear]

Actually I only posted about the bits that went into the X-31 originally ... then re reading it I realised that of course the cockpit IS the EAP..... :uhoh:

I really can't claim this - Bear or OH!!!

I did not reveal because i want to avoid this thread to become a Tennis match between me and Noyade.

Therefore then Open House!

[meleagertoo]

I daresay this won't last long in such august company.

Ihttps://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/257x357/snecma_coleoptere_1473bfb2577428f43b6bebb8469330ef13fbf2fa.p ng

[sycamore]

Is it a US Navy aircraft,or a NASA test aircraft..?

[meleagertoo]

It is neither.

[Asturias56]

Is it military?

[meleagertoo]

Military? That was the intention.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/106x91/screenshot_2022_07_18_at_13_43_52_1958c2b29d7127138a3b5bdd3d 9444bd2842655d.png

[Noyade]

The bulbous cockpit of the C-450 Coleoptere?

[meleagertoo]

Just so. Well done, not much to go on there.

You have control.

[Self loading bear]

And then to think I looked in detail to the Convair XFY Pogo cockpit…..:ugh:

[Noyade]

Thanks.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x813/scan1032_bce00d661723c889ad856830c94a8570ee0732a7.jpg

[Asturias56]

The little graphic just above the pedals shows what looks like a single engine wing ?jet ? aircraft

Can't see a load of radar, gun sights etc so perhaps a trainer? mid-50's Us or UK??

[sycamore]

Bottom of instrument panel cut-out look `Douglas`,same with pedals; twin jet,so maybe an early A-3,or a KA-3,,or a B-66...

[Noyade]

a B-66...

We're done. Over to you sycamore. :ok: