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6th Sep 2014, 21:05
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Douglas_Flying_Boat_zps1e965f98.jpgidentify the cockpit:

6th Sep 2014, 23:27
Boeing Aircraft Co. of Canada, "Totem" flying boat CF-ARF cockpit.

There's this clever tool known as Google image search.....:oh:

7th Sep 2014, 01:41
You are correct. If you use Google Image Search, there is no challenge. Are you admitting you were too lazy to objectively analyze the photo, or are you just giving me advice for future posts? Or both? Regardless, I challenge you to post a cockpit challenge.

7th Sep 2014, 11:11
Oh dear. And now he's taken his ball home.

dubbleyew eight
7th Sep 2014, 12:17
try google images on this one :E


Ian Burgess-Barber
7th Sep 2014, 15:17
A Wittman W-8 Tailwind?

Ian BB

7th Sep 2014, 16:51
I have googled & youtubed! Not exactly like the home build Wittman 8's I saw.
However I would expect doubleyew eight to know his own W-8 perhaps?
Time for evansb to bring his ball back ?

dubbleyew eight
8th Sep 2014, 05:27
yes ian bb has it.

dare I admit that I was actually taking the piss :E
but I can post some you wouldn't guess.

India Four Two
8th Sep 2014, 10:40

Where did you get that turn and slip? I've never seen one like it.

dubbleyew eight
8th Sep 2014, 12:12
the turn and slip is an old gyro instrument.
the slip is a simple pivoted paddle bat with a weight below it.(internally in the instrument)
The turn is a gyro instrument which as it happens isn't plumbed into the vacuum.
it used to have an inop sticker over it.

the instrument is probably ww2 vintage or just after.

India Four Two
8th Sep 2014, 17:28
I should have been more specific. Your T&S is not like the ones seen in British WWII aircraft. Do you know where it was made?

dubbleyew eight
9th Sep 2014, 12:31
when a google search failed to give me a picture of a similar instrument I went for a look.
a 100km round trip later and I'm still puzzled.
I actually took the instrument out of the panel for a good look see when I discovered that there is no makers name on the face.

on one side of the case is stamped in
Patent No's 604208 591182

on the other side of the case is stamped
Serial No. c/908/49 Type TN300
Ref No. 6A/2676

there is no hint of a manufactures name anywhere on the case.
if anyone can give me an identification of year and manufacturer please speak up.
more of a mystery than I thought.

jez d
9th Sep 2014, 13:43
The 6A/2676 is an RAF stores ref; the format of the display is the same as in the last Tiger Moth I flew in. The part is in the LAS catalogue, albeit nil stock, call for availability. I strongly suspect /49 is the year of manufacture.

9th Sep 2014, 23:43
"The turn and slip was a 6A/3371 mk 1B made by Reid & Siegrist as TN300.This is calibrated to 4 minutes at full scale deflection on each side of centre."

This from another post referring to DHC-1 Chipmunk instrumentation.


India Four Two
8th Mar 2015, 22:27
New cockpits are few and far between these days. Here's a rare one:


9th Mar 2015, 00:25
Could this be a Barracuda?

India Four Two
9th Mar 2015, 03:01
Yes, it's being rebuilt after a crash. Not from Fairey.

Here's a closer view of the panel:

India Four Two
9th Mar 2015, 12:36
Not from Hawker either.

oldpax was getting slightly warm with his Barracuda guess. This aircraft is about the same size and has folding wings.

9th Mar 2015, 17:00
I reckon it's a Vultee A-31 Vengeance..


India Four Two
9th Mar 2015, 20:49

I can see why you thought it was a Vengeance, but not from Vultee. It is however American.

Not an Avenger but you are headed in the right direction. Simple wing-fold la Corsair.

Ian Burgess-Barber
10th Mar 2015, 12:13
Is it a Douglas SBD Dauntless?

10th Mar 2015, 14:50
Douglas Devastator...?

India Four Two
10th Mar 2015, 15:37
This is fun ;)

I don't think Sycamore could possibly have been anywhere near this aircraft.

Just to add to the confusion, neither the Dauntless, Devastator or Helldiver have one of the key identifying features of this aircraft: tricycle gear :E

10th Mar 2015, 19:50
Think you`ve got it there,Jenks....be interested to see how they did the cat-strop arrangement on an early n/w aircraft....

India Four Two
10th Mar 2015, 21:52

Good sleuthing but up the wrong alley. Fascinating is right, because I'd never heard of the Douglas BTD Destroyer either!

My aircraft was designed by Grumman.

10th Mar 2015, 22:52
Well I thought Jenkins had that. I'm struggling; as far as I can find the first single engine tricycle equipped carrier borne Grumman was the Panther, yet this cockpit is nothing like the Panther, especially the rake of the windscreen which is more reminiscent of the Wildcat/Hellcat series but obviously those were tail wheel ac.
Can't wait to find out what this is!

India Four Two
10th Mar 2015, 23:18
I've got one more clue up my sleeve, but I'll re-state the last one, which was carefully worded.

"My aircraft was designed by Grumman."

11th Mar 2015, 01:07
Was it a Northrop product?

India Four Two
11th Mar 2015, 01:41

Not Northrop.

11th Mar 2015, 04:51
So glad to see this venerable thread active once again :D

Tried to follow the various clues and rebuttals...

Could it be the RYAN FR Fireball?


11th Mar 2015, 11:58
Columbia XJL?

11th Mar 2015, 12:38
T-34 Mentor?

India Four Two
11th Mar 2015, 15:43
Fireball - another obscure aircraft I had never heard of, but not right.

Noyade is correct - the Columbia XJL-1, which I had also never heard of until a couple of months ago.

Designed by Grumman as a Duck replacement and built by Columbia, who were already building Ducks. Only three were built. Ordered in 1942, but the first flight was not until 1946 and the project was cancelled in 1948.

My next clue was going to be "Murphy's War Part Deux". The XJL is sometimes referred to as the Monoplane Duck.




This one is being slowly rebuilt after a crash landing at Camp Pendleton following an engine failure. Due to very poor glide ratio, the aircraft undershot. The right gear was torn off, the forward part of the hull broke off and the aircraft ended up inverted. Luckily there were no fatalities. Grumman Ironworks lives up to its reputation again!

An interesting feature is a circular water-tight hatch in the hull, aft of the step, which leads into a small passenger compartment, below the rear cockpit. Designed to allow divers/special forces to easily enter the water.

A very good history here: http://www.goodall.com.au/grumman-amphibians/grumman-columbiaXJL.pdf

Noyade has control.

India Four Two
11th Mar 2015, 17:10
Murphy would have clinched it. Flying for the film must have been fun. Don't think it was Sycamore.

It was Frank Tallman flying the Duck, although I've seen a quote from Peter O'Toole saying that he was at the controls in some shots. Murphy's Duck is now at the USAF Museum in Dayton.

11th Mar 2015, 19:31
I saw one some years ago at Tucson airport. A strange looking beast!

India Four Two
11th Mar 2015, 20:33
The one in Tuscon is the only other one left. The third airframe was used for structural tests and was scrapped.

11th Mar 2015, 20:46
Only solved due to your clues mate. Thanks Simon.

never heard of until a couple of months ago.
Like this one. I found it illustrated, believe it or not, in a children's book, "Aircraft in Colour", in a Melbourne Salvation Army opportunity shop. It doesn't show the flight controls, but I don't think there are many to speak of anyway. It's a replica that flew in 1968...


12th Mar 2015, 20:28
The full illustration then. From the USA.


India Four Two
13th Mar 2015, 01:06
The picture looks very familiar, but I can't remember where I saw it.

13th Mar 2015, 16:17
Is it a relative of this early Morane Saulnier?


13th Mar 2015, 20:36
Hi Kitbag.

The guy who designed and built the original aircraft was Italian. Wiki says he designed and built Italy's first aircraft. He emigrated to the USA in 1911 and this was his first aircraft built there. Famous thereafter for cabin monoplanes one of his aircraft was Lindbergh's first choice for the transatlantic crossing until forced to turn to Ryan.

The net shows this 1911 replica now hanging in a museum. Just the gentleman's surname will suffice...

13th Mar 2015, 22:27
That's the man Jenkins! :ok:

http://www.aerofiles.com/pix1.gif Bellanca 1911 (http://www.aerofiles.com/bella-1911.jpg) Replica (Dan Shumaker)
1911 = 1pOhwM; 30hp Anzani Y. POP: 1. Skeletal wooden fuselage with a cockpit, more of a perch, within the framework. Giuseppe Bellanca (http://www.aerofiles.com/bio_b.html#bellanca)'s first plane, in which he taught himself to fly and later used for flight training. Bellanca built and sold a number of other designs into the 1920s, but even basic details are sorely lacking and many are substantiated only by uncaptioned photographs.Over to you...

15th Mar 2015, 00:55

India Four Two
15th Mar 2015, 03:58

Do the rudder pedals "provide" the answer? ;)

OH if correct.

By George
15th Mar 2015, 04:57
Yes, the rudder pedals make that a Fairchild C123 Provider?

15th Mar 2015, 05:35
Did not spot that!!OK looks like India two four its yours!!

India Four Two
15th Mar 2015, 15:17

An easy mistake. ;)

Open house.

Ocean Person
16th Mar 2015, 10:09

A little surprise you have the temerity to put the 123 Provider on these boards when one considers it was the principal aircraft used in the chemical spraying of women and children during the Agent Orange campaign.


16th Mar 2015, 12:41
Thank you for pointing this out ,I did not know it (123)it was used for this purpose as I am sure thousands of other ppruners also are not aware.But now I know thanks to you I shall not have the problem of using it any further.Is it OK if I put on a B-52 or perhaps a F-4 phantom ?

16th Mar 2015, 12:49
Or a silverplate B29 😎

India Four Two
16th Mar 2015, 14:08
Ocean Person,

Do grow up! Whether or not old pax knew about the use of C-123s on Ranch Hand missions is irrelevant. I certainly knew about it, but that's not going to stop me participating in a harmless game.

As op and Kitbag have pointed out, perhaps we should not post B-52s, F-4s and Silverplate B-29s? Or normal B-29s, B-17s and Lancasters?

I'm sure that none of the posters on here feel they are glorifying the history of a particular aircraft by posting it on this thread.

If you feel that I am being flippant in my response, please note that I have a friend in Vietnam whose has lifelong medical problems, because her father was exposed to Agent Orange.

Do us all a favour and take your moralizing elsewhere.

16th Mar 2015, 18:26
Here's a quickie, civil but in deference to Ocean Persons sensibilities arguably had a hand in causing the death of many more people than any of the ac listed above.


India Four Two
16th Mar 2015, 21:56
The instruments look like they might be European. I'm intrigued to know how a civil aircraft could be so lethal.

16th Mar 2015, 22:13
I'm guessing it might have been used to transport someone who made some significant decisions at some stage. Pretty tenuous. Let's hope that tenuous things don't spoil this thread.

16th Mar 2015, 22:18
I42 you may be correct as far as the instruments go, but the airframe is not European.

TheIC your guess is correct, this type was in the background.

17th Mar 2015, 00:01
I'm guessing it might have been used to transport someone who made some significant decisions at some stageAhhhh.....The Lockheed L-14 Super Electra maybe?


Ocean Person
17th Mar 2015, 06:28
India Four Two:
Considering the subject and what it pertains to I think your choice of the word moralizing is somewhat hypocritical.

I sincerely trust you know the difference between innocent and deliberate?


17th Mar 2015, 07:54
Correct Noyade. With regard to I42s comment I'm not sure whether the instruments were changed on purpose, does anyone have any idea?

17th Mar 2015, 12:18
Thanks Kitbag. Good clues and I suspect TheiC also knew the answer. Dunno about the flight instruments.

I don't have an interior shot but I thought this looked interesting - plenty of clues...


17th Mar 2015, 18:40
At first look I was convinced that the guys all looked Italian, but a childhood memory suggests that the guy with the eye patch is Wiley Post.
A guess then at a Lockheed Orion?

17th Mar 2015, 18:55
Northrop Gamma 2D.

17th Mar 2015, 19:20
And Wiley Post. ;)

17th Mar 2015, 20:01
Northrop Gamma it is - over to you Brian. And yes, Wiley Post taking the oath as an airmail pilot, 1935.

18th Mar 2015, 02:16
Okay, here is the next one:

India Four Two
18th Mar 2015, 06:05
Italian, SE, 30s-40s?

18th Mar 2015, 09:22
Yes, Italian, early 1940s. Wooden construction, just like the Lockheed Vega and Model 9 Orion.

18th Mar 2015, 11:38
Canopy opens sideways to stbd...?

18th Mar 2015, 18:38
No, the canopy appears to slide aft to open.

India Four Two
18th Mar 2015, 21:56

I don't agree. That looks like a propeller tip at the top left. :E

18th Mar 2015, 22:27
How about the Ambrosini SAI.207?

19th Mar 2015, 01:54
Kitbag is correct.:ok: The elegant Ambrosini SAI.207. Your turn.

19th Mar 2015, 07:17
Thanks Bri, away from PC right now. I have something to post at 1700Z unless someone beats me to it.

19th Mar 2015, 18:33
From the book of the aircraft:


20th Mar 2015, 11:44
I'd appreciate a clue mate - when you're good and ready. Cheers! :)

20th Mar 2015, 14:35
Right then, this ac was the first of its configuration to enter service with its parent air arm albeit in limited numbers. It was highly regarded by its operators for its robustness but was badly let down by its power plant. You'll have noted the illustration is in English. The big roll bar behind the pilots seat is readily apparent in photos of this type.

20th Mar 2015, 15:29
Could it be an early Naval turbo-prop..?

20th Mar 2015, 17:01
No purely land based.

20th Mar 2015, 17:12
In later years,does the name refer to a different `type`...?

20th Mar 2015, 17:15
You got it and that one did go to sea

20th Mar 2015, 20:33
I`ll leave it running...

21st Mar 2015, 22:00
This should finish it off


21st Mar 2015, 23:48
A DH Vampire?

22nd Mar 2015, 01:18
A Grumman Bearcat?

22nd Mar 2015, 05:59
Sorry gents, this was neither a jet or a naval ac. As Sycamore suggests, the name was reused for a different type of machine after this one left service.

22nd Mar 2015, 06:05
Hawker Typhoon?

22nd Mar 2015, 07:23
Not a Hawker, but it did gain some success in the same role as the Typhoon.

22nd Mar 2015, 09:52
Westland Whirlwind? Open house if it is.

22nd Mar 2015, 11:33
Avionker has it
At his request OH

22nd Mar 2015, 11:38
Just out of interest is anyone else having trouble getting onto page 5 of this thread? I normally use a Win 8.1 machine as its the biggest screen I have, however since last night (21 Mar) the only way I can see p5 onwards has been to use my Android phone, which is pretty crummy when it comes to editing, posting and looking at pictures.

India Four Two
22nd Mar 2015, 15:59

Maybe it's just me but I don't see how the first and second cutaways you posted could possibly be the same aircraft.

22nd Mar 2015, 16:25
Let me go back and check, I'll post the unaltered originals later. I'm certain I have the right pictures though.

22nd Mar 2015, 16:52
OK, I42, bearing in mind hey are left and right views; here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4928677633/in/photostream/) is a flickr link which, when you get past the ads has images of a Westland Whirlwind as photos and the drawing I reversed the colours on. This link (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Secudus/media/Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/Whirlwind%20Cockpit%20Drawings%20Photos/Fuselage-Skeleton---Port-Si.jpg.html) is a page from AP 1709 Vol 1 which as everybody(?!) knows is the Westland Whirlwind maintenance manual.

Hope that clears things up for you, I know how frustrating these can be.

OTOH I see what you mean, the access cut out on the stbd side?

22nd Mar 2015, 16:56
Mea Culpa, I apologise. I42 has pointed out what a c0ck I've been, the second image is NOT a Whirlwind, the fuselage L&R did not have entry panels.

I'm off for a bit of self flagellation:{

India Four Two
23rd Mar 2015, 04:38

No need to go to extremes. ;)

Everyone makes mistakes and yours is serendipitous. Avionker has declared OH, so I propose we just just carry on with your second picture as the next cockpit.

23rd Mar 2015, 09:57
I42, happy with that, as long as you know what it is, I think I very publicly proved that I don't! :sad:

India Four Two
26th Mar 2015, 02:33
After some research, I'm not 100% sure, but I'll plump for the Typhoon (the 24 cylinder one that is).

Edited to say that evansb has priority on the Typhoon.

28th Mar 2015, 21:53
Identify the aircraft:

29th Mar 2015, 00:46
Is this the boeing "Clipper"?

29th Mar 2015, 00:47
If you mean the Boeing 314 Flying Boat? Sorry, no.

Harley Quinn
29th Mar 2015, 09:04
As the pic seems to show the aircraft in a hangar, am I correct in assuming this is a landplane rather than a flying boat?

29th Mar 2015, 09:41
Boeing 377?

India Four Two
29th Mar 2015, 14:15
I'll subtract 70. B307?

29th Mar 2015, 18:54
Yes, it is the Boeing 307 Stratoliner, the first pressurized cabin airliner.

Your turn.

India Four Two
31st Mar 2015, 21:56
Sorry all. I had forgotten I had posted.

Open house.

India Four Two
16th Apr 2015, 23:55
No takers?

How about this? I'm not sure if it will be extremely easy or very difficult.


17th Apr 2015, 09:40
A gunner`s turret control...?

17th Apr 2015, 11:06
Going with Sycamores suggestion is it a Frazer-Nash mid upper (dorsal) turret?

India Four Two
17th Apr 2015, 13:53
Yes, it's a turret but there is a cockpit in the picture.

17th Apr 2015, 17:04
Right, so we're after that little blur of light in the picture?!

I'll still go with an FN turret in the tail of the queen of the skys; Avro Lancaster

17th Apr 2015, 20:51
I`ll go with Halifax....

India Four Two
17th Apr 2015, 21:14

You're wrong and I'll give a clue why. I took the photo yesterday at the Aerospace Museum in Calgary - no Halifaxes there. ;)

Kitbag is correct. It's a Lancaster Mk X., FM136:

I had wandered around to the tail after I noticed that the rudder trim tabs had external mass balances, which surprised me. I then had a look in the turret and now have even more respect for the poor sods who had to sit in that cramped little space, in the cold, peering into the darkness for nightfighters. I read that the gunners often took out the perspex that I took my photo through, in order to have a better view!

The turret doors were open and I realized I could see all the way to the cockpit.

Kitbag has control.

18th Apr 2015, 15:52
TVM I42. I wouldn't have got anywhere without Sycamores initial suggestion. Anyway, lets see where this big bird goes;


19th Apr 2015, 23:11
Junkers Ju-90?

20th Apr 2015, 05:08
Ratty, close; right country & requirement, wrong manufacturer

20th Apr 2015, 06:46
How about the FW 200 Condor? If correct only arrived at with the generosity of the hints and has to be open house as on an early :zzz:


20th Apr 2015, 09:34
866 has it the FW 200 Kurier or Condor

20th Apr 2015, 09:35
And it's Open House!

20th Apr 2015, 20:25
Identify the aircraft:

21st Apr 2015, 09:58
I'm going late '20s/early '30s Italian?

21st Apr 2015, 13:54
Not Italian, but yes, 1930s.

21st Apr 2015, 14:28
A Monospar?

21st Apr 2015, 17:35
Control yokes put me in mind of the Avro Anson

Are those seats made from whicker?

21st Apr 2015, 19:34
Not of British manufacture. Seat backs are of leather and folded flat, possibly on wicker seat bottoms.

Harley Quinn
21st Apr 2015, 21:41
Caudron C 440 series?

22nd Apr 2015, 00:14
Not French, but there is a direct connection with cake baking and the mystery aircraft. Yes, baking cakes.

22nd Apr 2015, 09:38
Does Kiplings make exceedingly good aeroplanes as well then?

22nd Apr 2015, 18:56
Wow! What an amazing source of historical factoids this forum provides.

Not a Norseman. The mystery aircraft is not Canadian.

Note the bulkhead and braces. It is a robust airframe. The "cake baker" is now known for frozen pizza.

22nd Apr 2015, 19:44
I have never had a pizza in my life - frozen or otherwise!

22nd Apr 2015, 20:51
Doktor Oetker zweiflugmotorenpizza?

23rd Apr 2015, 15:31
Yes, the aircraft, the Hopfner HA.11/33 was built to Dr. Oetker's specifications. Only one was built, eventually taken over by the Luftwaffe.

Open house.

23rd Apr 2015, 18:11
the Hopfner HA.11/33 was built to Dr. Oetker's specifications.

I was being facetious FFS! This isn't a Wiki wind up is it?

24th Apr 2015, 16:02

25th Apr 2015, 07:09
Junkers 388.

Terry Dactil
25th Apr 2015, 08:37
Just a bit too easy when the photographers name is watermarked on the photo, as well as having the aircraft identification in the image data.
The more sadistic of us on this forum crop and do other sneaky things to prevent the original photo being easily found on the web.
The photographer has a great website with lots of good photos and information about this aircraft, though.
I found it well worth visiting.
Junkers Ju 388 (http://www.ju388.de/Ju388US.html)
Thanks. :ok:

25th Apr 2015, 08:50

Nicely put. I used to get a bit hot under the collar during googleimagegate, but in this case I think the cockpit was such an easy spot that the watermark was just a bonus.

OPEN HOUSE, subject to hangarrat's formal confirmation. (I may have something to post but certainly won't have time until this evening at the earliest, to do the necessary obfuscation).

25th Apr 2015, 20:41
I have much to learn! Complete unashamed amateur here! And yes of course, open house to all.

26th Apr 2015, 16:24
I have much to learn! Complete unashamed amateur here! And yes of course, open house to all.

Try this:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/17268333995/in/photostream

The GPS is of course not an original fitment.


26th Apr 2015, 18:58
, first ever try, possibly DH86..?

26th Apr 2015, 19:50
From the wide shallow panel, backwards tachometer, windscreen braces and petrol tank, Piper Vagabond?

India Four Two
26th Apr 2015, 20:05


An American single but registered in Europe? Tandem two-seater? Constant speed prop?

26th Apr 2015, 21:03
From the wide shallow panel, backwards tachometer, windscreen braces and petrol tank, Piper Vagabond?

Hangarrat gets it in one! Specifically it's this aircraft:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/17279336272/in/photostream

Hangarrat101 has control.


27th Apr 2015, 09:20

Next one,
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f326/moyfrid/unknown_zpszoldgjlw.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/moyfrid/media/unknown_zpszoldgjlw.jpg.html)

27th Apr 2015, 17:19
Guessing late '20s early '30s twin. Slightly confused by the German turn and slip when most other bits appear to be in English. No idea but something makes me guess something Dutch?

27th Apr 2015, 18:02
What are the levers below the LH yoke for?

27th Apr 2015, 18:27

You are correct about the country. To make it a bitt aessier, the year is 1934.

Flying Palm Tree
27th Apr 2015, 23:10
Espresso machine?

Seriously though, Fokker F8?

30th Apr 2015, 01:00
To put Flying Palm Tree out of the "awaiting a reply" angst, I submit the mystery cockpit just might be a Koolhoven FK.48.

30th Apr 2015, 10:19
Correct, it is the cockpit from the Koolhoven FK 48. Only one FK 48 was built in 1934.



30th Apr 2015, 18:27
Here is the next mystery cockpit:

30th Apr 2015, 18:49
Messerschmitt 323.

30th Apr 2015, 19:20
Correct. :ok: Now it is your turn to post a cockpit.

1st May 2015, 10:28
There he is:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f326/moyfrid/unknown3_zpsmsfwu90m.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/moyfrid/media/unknown3_zpsmsfwu90m.jpg.html)

India Four Two
1st May 2015, 17:10
A special trainer for London Bus drivers? ;)

2nd May 2015, 15:30
Martin B-10.

9th May 2015, 21:31
Any guesses?

9th May 2015, 21:55
The quadrant is very Falco.

So I'll hazard that it is one.

9th May 2015, 21:56
Trago Sprite...?

9th May 2015, 22:08
Practavia did a sprite but I don't think Trago did. Anyhow, the mystery machine has retractable wheels (see left side of panel with some arty indicators).

10th May 2015, 00:30
Sorry, not a Falco, nor a Practavia Sprite.

10th May 2015, 19:56
Ich glaube, das die antigooglebildversucherungschalter in die 'sucherung mglich' position gelassen wurde.

10th May 2015, 21:26
Yes, it is a German-built aircraft. If you want to take the easy way, fine.

11th May 2015, 02:34
Many thanks, but I won't. I stumbled on it from the image 'properties' unintentionally. With luck someone will get to it the hard way.

India Four Two
11th May 2015, 04:05
Persevering with the 'hard' way, is it a Roland?

11th May 2015, 19:20
Not a Roland. Here is the actual aircraft from which the cockpit photo was taken:


11th May 2015, 22:50
Here's one...


12th May 2015, 13:41
@ Evansb,

The photo in post #152 is indeed from a Martin B-10.



12th May 2015, 20:24
Something along the lines of the DH50 cabin biplane?

12th May 2015, 21:36
You're on track there Kitbag! Is is a De Havilland - but not the DH-50...

13th May 2015, 10:42
Didn't look deep enough did I?
DH83 Fox Moth (only 6 survivors from 154)

If correct it's going to be OH I'm afraid.

13th May 2015, 10:55
That's him Kitbag! :)



Terry Dactil
13th May 2015, 11:37
Is that a big round hole in the instrument panel so the Captain can stick his head into the passenger compartment and make his PA? :confused:
(Yeah. I know that looks like the end of a Gosport tube just to the right, but I like my way better).

13th May 2015, 23:09
That thought is exactly what made me think of the 'cabin' type aircraft

20th May 2015, 04:52
Right then, here's one from 'olden times':


20th May 2015, 11:53
Almost, but not quite...

Oh all right then, yes it's the Fairey Rotodyne


India Four Two
20th May 2015, 23:47
Another chance missed by UK?

No. The Rotodyne was diabolically noisy. It would never have been allowed to operate from city centres.

21st May 2015, 18:40
Moving on from the merits of (allegedly noisy) point to point airport transfers:

Here's a quickie;


22nd May 2015, 10:47
Certainly WWII, not particularly liked by its pilots; underpowered and gained an unhappy nickname later on.

22nd May 2015, 13:45
Brewster Buffalo..?

22nd May 2015, 15:25
Not American, I'm afraid, although it's possible the subject aircraft came up against some cold Buffalo

22nd May 2015, 17:00
Yakovlev I-30?

22nd May 2015, 17:03
Right country, but not a Yak

22nd May 2015, 17:27
Lavochkin Lagg-3?

Regardless of its deficiencies, the Lagg-3 was preferred over the Hurricane by Soviet pilots.

22nd May 2015, 17:48
Correct, the LaGG 3. Probably preferred because of the heavier armament, however it later was known as the guaranteed varnished coffin.


22nd May 2015, 18:14
Indeed. Thank you. Ok, photobucket problems solved. Here is the next mystery cockpit:

23rd May 2015, 01:49
ROC Skua?


23rd May 2015, 03:11
Sorry, not the Skua, but close..

Terry Dactil
23rd May 2015, 04:19
You just gotta love British WW2 cockpit design. :ok:
A gun firing button on the stick, but no sign of a gunsight anywhere.
Instead, pride of place on top of the instrument panel looks like the undercarriage warning lights and a clock!

India Four Two
23rd May 2015, 05:05
Manufacturer's name begins with the same letter?

23rd May 2015, 06:30
Instead, pride of place on top of the instrument panel looks like the undercarriage warning lights and a clock!

Ah, reactive design, I suspect, addressing the two big problems at the time:

Wheels up landings and arriving late for things.

23rd May 2015, 13:25
Meteor?An early mark perhaps?

23rd May 2015, 15:13
Jenkins is correct.:ok: The Boulton Paul Defiant. Your turn.

India Four Two
23rd May 2015, 21:27
After doing some reading on the Defiant, I see that there was a mode where the turret could be trained forward and the pilot could control the firing.

The minimum elevation angle was 19 (prop clearance?) and apparently it wasn't used much, but I imagine the sight of four tracer streams coming from behind your head must have been an interesting experience! :eek:

24th May 2015, 06:37
Another one to look at...


24th May 2015, 11:59
The style of the instrument panel puts me in mind of a mid 20's ac, but the radio? lh side below the instrument panel looks like it's replaced a larger unit, and that spade grip without a firing button is just plain puzzling.

24th May 2015, 14:36
Late model Avro 504!!!

Terry Dactil
24th May 2015, 21:21
That is an early 'Gentleman's Flying Machine'.
Notice how the unnecessary tradesman's tools and instruments have been discarded in favour of luxury items.
The compass has been replaced by a biscuit tin to store your cucumber sandwiches in, and there is an original CD player just to the left of it.
The radio would be to talk to your stock broker while you aviated above your estate checking that the staff were correctly arranging the pebbles in the gravel driveway and polishing the leaves on the rhododendrons.
Ahh, the good old days to be a pilot. It has all gone downhill since then! :E

24th May 2015, 21:55
G'day gents.

- 1919 is the year Kitbag. Yes, a radio. A T.55A set supplied by the Air Ministry (I'm not sure if that's the one depicted - the original one was replaced). It also carried a lifeboat.
- Jenkins, not a mail plane and not from De Havilland.
- Oldpax, not from Avro and not designed for training.

This aircraft was built for only one purpose in mind.

Terry, time to cut back on the medication. :)

24th May 2015, 22:27
Wild guess :- Bristol Type 138?

24th May 2015, 23:02
No mate. We're looking at 1919 and not a Bristol product.

Terry Dactil
25th May 2015, 05:26
Aha! Clues!
This aircraft was built for only one purpose in mind.
It also carried a lifeboat.
How about the Sopwith Atlantic then.
Only one was built in 1919 specifically to compete for the first non-stop crossing of the Atlantic, and the rear fuselage decking formed a lifeboat.
(I still wish it had been a 'Gentleman's Flying Machine' though)

25th May 2015, 08:30
How about the Sopwith Atlantic then.Ahhh....there ya go Terry - well done mate. Over to you. :)

Sopwith Atlantic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Atlantic)

Terry Dactil
25th May 2015, 09:59
OK. A bit more nostalgia then.
The prototype of this aircraft first flew more than 60 years ago.
And for extra points I want to know the correct name of the manufacturer of this particular (a later model in the series ) aircraft.
(Hooray: I managed to stop Google images finding this image)

25th May 2015, 16:33
Well, it's XH558 as was, G-VLCN as is, and the CAA's database has it as manufactured by 'AV Roe and Co Ltd' but I suspect the answer you're looking for is 'Hawker Siddeley'.

Terry Dactil
25th May 2015, 17:36
That's it.
As Avro was absorbed in the mergers in 1963, to be pedantic it became a Hawker Siddlely Vulcan. I doubt many use that name though.

Well done. You have control sir.

(Image is a screenshot from the documentary on the Falklands attack

25th May 2015, 18:07
Apologies, I thought I had something but alas no.

Therefore, OPEN HOUSE.

26th May 2015, 00:34

Terry Dactil
27th May 2015, 04:29
Well, someone's got to say it!
The rear cockpit of a a very decrepit DH-82 Tiger Moth?

27th May 2015, 09:57
Thai air force museum.Other cockpit full of candy wrappers etc!!
Over to you .

Terry Dactil
27th May 2015, 10:38
Yes. It's very sad when you have memories of flying in ones that looked more like this.
Nothing handy right now, so OPEN HOUSE.

28th May 2015, 12:17

28th May 2015, 18:25
Saab 29 Tunnan?

India Four Two
28th May 2015, 19:56
It looks American to me.

28th May 2015, 22:21
Saab 29 Tunnan? Interesting choice Kitbag, so I ran with it. :) Didn't find the Tunnan cockpit illustrated - but the J21A was there...


29th May 2015, 00:10
Looks like you buy the same magazine I do!!

29th May 2015, 03:50
Thanks oldpax - but Kitbag deserves the credit for that one. So, over to Kitbag, or open house.


29th May 2015, 04:47
Thank you, Noyade, that is very generous of you. TBH that was just a punt. Nothing readily to hand just yet, it being silly o'clock in the morning here. Open House.

21st Jun 2015, 18:50
Right then, another go


21st Jun 2015, 21:15
Certainly a twin, a lot more elegant looking, IMHO, than the Beaufighter, with a similar crew disposition, but nowhere near as heavily armed. Not British, despite how the gauges may appear

21st Jun 2015, 21:42
Much closer, but not the Nick.

22nd Jun 2015, 09:37
G'day Kitbag.

Much closer, but not the Nick. Found a PDF on Japanese cockpits - this looks similar, the Mitsubishi Ki-46 Dinah II?


22nd Jun 2015, 10:19
Much betterer, the Cosford example is the only known survivor.

It is the Dinah, YHC

22nd Jun 2015, 10:43
Much betterer, the Cosford example is the only known survivor.Ah, my error - should be the Dinah III then? Thanks.

Another Jap Cockpit Cutaway in return then...


22nd Jun 2015, 13:21
Nakajima B6 Tenzan ?

22nd Jun 2015, 14:08
Nope, not Nakajima; it's a Mitsubishi Ki51

22nd Jun 2015, 21:28
it's a Mitsubishi Ki51

Nicely done Kitbag! Back to you sir...

22nd Jun 2015, 22:31
No Hinomaru on this one.


23rd Jun 2015, 00:30
Given the lack of a HUD, is it the prototype North American YA-5C Vigilante?

Note the mechanical wind-up stop-watch, installed just right of centre, mid-panel. How quaint.

23rd Jun 2015, 04:22
Dunno about prototype, but certainly given as NA Vigilante..


23rd Jun 2015, 19:16
Thank you. Here is the next mystery cockpit:

25th Jun 2015, 08:12
Nary a single reply within the last H24. A clue will be forthcoming at approximately 1900Z (UTC).

25th Jun 2015, 14:26
I don't know, it's doing my swede no good. I'm guessing late WWII twin prop job, maybe some sort of fast light bomber from US but can't find anything close.

25th Jun 2015, 16:23
Not American, not a prop job. More Vigilante like than U-2 like.
Here is the back seat:

25th Jun 2015, 18:57
Thinking it must be the Tu22 Blinder, then.

25th Jun 2015, 20:19
Not the TU-22, but very close.

25th Jun 2015, 23:31
Not the TU-22, but very close.I was thinking Backfin, but wiki says that was a 3-seater > so, maybe Fiddler?

25th Jun 2015, 23:47
Yes, the Tupolev TU-128 interceptor. :ok: The largest interceptor ever to enter serial production.

Your turn.

26th Jun 2015, 11:58
Thanks for the clues Brian.


26th Jun 2015, 14:25
Something like the Aermacchi 346?

Cows getting bigger
26th Jun 2015, 15:32
kitbag, good idea and it's made me think outside the box (the blue interior was making me think Russia). I thought I had seen those seats somewhere - one of the SAAB range, probably some form of late serial/upgraded Viggen.

26th Jun 2015, 16:40
Dagnabbit CGB, I think you're spot on, although I can't find an exact match the warning panels either side of the drivers knees and the clip on the glare shield do it for me. Hopefully Noyade is an early riser.

26th Jun 2015, 21:56
Sorry Kitbag, tis a lazy Saturday morning here. :)
But very well done CGB - it is an upgraded Viggen - the JA 37D which included features of the Gripen.

All yours mate!

Cows getting bigger
27th Jun 2015, 18:59
well thank you. down route right now typing on a phone thingy. open house.

30th Jun 2015, 19:25
Check this one out


30th Jun 2015, 19:30
Saab J29?

30th Jun 2015, 21:55
AAO, certainly is the Barrel. YHC

1st Jul 2015, 06:36
Thanks, I must confess though it was a lucky guess.

Open house!

India Four Two
18th Oct 2015, 22:35
Let's put some new life into this thread. This one is easy. I have a tougher one to follow.


18th Oct 2015, 22:54

India Four Two
19th Oct 2015, 00:45
Almost. It's in Canada.

19th Oct 2015, 02:40
Fairchild (Canada) Bolingbroke. Surprising number of surviving airframes & even several flightworthy ones.