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Proposed Easyjet Reduction
Thanks for that press release powerjet1, interesting to see that the local management of the airport had reached an agreement with easyJet but were overruled by there masters in Spain.
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Just saw this on the late night edition of Anglia News... Kudos to all those cabin crew at the cabin crew at the protest!
In the bulletin they claimed the airport receives £9 per passenger per return flight, with £5 going to the council and £4 to ABERTIS.
Seems like the council have told the protestors to sod off and go and speak to ABERTIS.
Should give all the Luton council tax payers a thought on where all these £5's are going! Cause it clearly isn't being reinvested in the airport at the moment!
Im no fan of Luton as a town, but this all very sad news for a town that seems to be making the news for all the wrong reasons at the moment... The failing football team, the racial tensions in the town, the possible demise of Vauxhall/IBC in the town, the recent drug dealer murders and now the possibility of these job cuts at easyJet.
Even though I am sure the council and ABERTIS do have a part to pay in easyJet's decision. Im sure this is not the whole story and easyJet could partly be using this as an excuse to reduce operations at the airport, which they could have done either way.
One the other hand (maybe I am living in hope), I notice the easyJet still haven't released the spring timetable and if they can get back around the table with the airport/council they may well be able to reach a compromise.
In the bulletin they claimed the airport receives £9 per passenger per return flight, with £5 going to the council and £4 to ABERTIS.
Seems like the council have told the protestors to sod off and go and speak to ABERTIS.
Should give all the Luton council tax payers a thought on where all these £5's are going! Cause it clearly isn't being reinvested in the airport at the moment!
Im no fan of Luton as a town, but this all very sad news for a town that seems to be making the news for all the wrong reasons at the moment... The failing football team, the racial tensions in the town, the possible demise of Vauxhall/IBC in the town, the recent drug dealer murders and now the possibility of these job cuts at easyJet.
Even though I am sure the council and ABERTIS do have a part to pay in easyJet's decision. Im sure this is not the whole story and easyJet could partly be using this as an excuse to reduce operations at the airport, which they could have done either way.
One the other hand (maybe I am living in hope), I notice the easyJet still haven't released the spring timetable and if they can get back around the table with the airport/council they may well be able to reach a compromise.
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It was £1.43 per departing and arriving passenger that LBC received under the terms of the agreement with AGI (which became TBI, which became Abertis).
Some of that was ploughed back into the airport infrastructure.
Assuming there is a facility to increase that payment over time to take into consideration inflation, £4 per return flight does not seem an unreasonable figure now.
Some of that was ploughed back into the airport infrastructure.
Assuming there is a facility to increase that payment over time to take into consideration inflation, £4 per return flight does not seem an unreasonable figure now.
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Quite agree with you Buster about the charges. As for Transavia have heard nothing but would not be surprised, after their ´special deal´ which I assume they received for starting the service will shortly run out then let us try another airport .i.e. Gatwick after we have tried Stansted and Luton - not many London airports left. As I can see it the Rotterdam service is a ´filler´ in the early morning and late evening for an aircraft , so instead of leaving it on the ground let us fly somewhere close and try keep the utilisation up.
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Has anyone else heard the rumour that Transavia may be off to Gatwick?
Just to add insult to injury, I read that Heathrow, experienced its busiest month ever in August. Far cry from Luton, but I suppose they don't have a short sighted owner or airport operator, sucking every penny out of the airport and investing zero! (Can't believe I am being pro BAA!)
I think it is going to be a gradual downhill roll for the airport now until 2012, if/when a new contract is agreed with the existing or a new airport operator. It will not be until then the airport is given a shot in the arm.
Unless they are trying to model the airport on Manston or Southend!
I might as well forget about being user of Luton, and look to my other local(ish) airport like EMA and BHX that will appreciate my business more!
Also atleast some sort of charter program exists from these airports too...
Could the last person to leave the airport, please remember to turn out the lights!
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Yes Giles do not be too downhearted. One of the main problems goes back over 30 years when successive UK governments would not allow Luton Council to borrow money to expand the airport because they were in favour of the British Airports Authority as it was then and also wanted the third London Airport to be built at Maplin. So the only way they could get any money to improve facilities etc. was to go into partnership with private investors who - surprise surprise - are in it to make money - it is called capitalism. Some of us remember the temporary tent erected in the summer of 1974 when Court Line were operating two TriStars (go to BritishPathe.com and see John Stapleton do a piece to camera).
As for charters or inclusive tours it is up to the charterer where they want to fly from - if there is demand they will fly from any airport.
So cheer up love - it is not all bad news we seem to have cornered the market for football charters for teams playing in the European Cup at the moment but that is probably due to night restrictions at all the other main London airports.
As for charters or inclusive tours it is up to the charterer where they want to fly from - if there is demand they will fly from any airport.
So cheer up love - it is not all bad news we seem to have cornered the market for football charters for teams playing in the European Cup at the moment but that is probably due to night restrictions at all the other main London airports.
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Night Restrictions
Ooops sorry! Yes I once worked with a guy whose father-in-law was quite vociferous about night flights at Luton - he lived near Hitchin - asked where did he fly from when he went on holiday - you guessed it Luton - enough said.
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When you book a 'Low-Cost' fare, there are so many add ons that ticking the box to give easyJet a few extra pence for the convenience of flying from Luton ought to be tried!
How much media exposure has easyJet created and all of it free, by blaming Luton Borough Council for its woes!
easyJet have planes on order and a contracting market Europe wide to fill them! They are NOT alone!
If things were as bad as the picture easyJet is painting, wouldn't Wizz be heading down to the south of London?
How much media exposure has easyJet created and all of it free, by blaming Luton Borough Council for its woes!
easyJet have planes on order and a contracting market Europe wide to fill them! They are NOT alone!
If things were as bad as the picture easyJet is painting, wouldn't Wizz be heading down to the south of London?
Buster - perhaps an element of "we can make our aircraft more profitable by moving them off marginal routes to/from London to places like Italy, but we need to find a reason acceptable to the UK press for doing so" comes into play here ?
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So have Luton or their Albertis Masters given up! Seem to be content to loose everything
Do thery have any opportunity to roll the Franchise before its end! Would they want to? is there any penalty clause for LBC to accuse them of under perrformance in the franchise?
Otherwise I fear Luton will go into decline for the next few years; we've seen it before post Court Line and Ryanair ('91 move to STN).
Execpt it will no doubt continue to be bizjet heaven
Do thery have any opportunity to roll the Franchise before its end! Would they want to? is there any penalty clause for LBC to accuse them of under perrformance in the franchise?
Otherwise I fear Luton will go into decline for the next few years; we've seen it before post Court Line and Ryanair ('91 move to STN).
Execpt it will no doubt continue to be bizjet heaven
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Very bad news for Luton indeed. When you factor in easy's proposed reductions, Sky Europes's bankruptcy, the loss of Windjet and now Transavia, you are looking at a pax reduction of of about 1.3/1.4m pa, a massive hit. You only want Wizzair to up sticks now, and, well , say no more.
Abertis, the masters in Madrid, don't seem to want to know, and can't wait until they can exercise their "get out" clause in two or three years time. As for LBC, don't get me started.
A very sad state of affairs, which could have so easily been avoided. One positive thing to come out of this though, early moning traffic congestion will be a thing of the past.
Abertis, the masters in Madrid, don't seem to want to know, and can't wait until they can exercise their "get out" clause in two or three years time. As for LBC, don't get me started.
A very sad state of affairs, which could have so easily been avoided. One positive thing to come out of this though, early moning traffic congestion will be a thing of the past.
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Luton Reduction In Passenger Numbers
Not surprised at all about the Transavia move, I think I said in a previous post once the allegedly cheap deal was up they would up sticks again, they did it at Stansted and i´ll bet they will do it at Gatwick - next stop Manston! As for the passenger figures the Rotterdam route was only generating between 5-6,000 passengers monthly - about 65,000 a year. I don´t think you can blame the airport about SkyEurope it was just one of those things like Court Line, Debonair, Mediterranean Express etc. many years ago. As for Windjet I always thought they were going to Gatwick anyway - but we shall see. The big problem is easyJet - that is where the passenger numbers will really take a hit.
On a slightly other tack but relevant to Luton, passenger numbers have dropped dramatically at a lot of Spanish airports with UK and German tourists especially not venturing to Spain this year. Who owns a lot of the airports in Spain - AENA and Albertis!
On a slightly other tack but relevant to Luton, passenger numbers have dropped dramatically at a lot of Spanish airports with UK and German tourists especially not venturing to Spain this year. Who owns a lot of the airports in Spain - AENA and Albertis!
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In recent years while LTN has been packed to the rafters with night stopping aircraft and been unable to take anymore... So the only growth the airport has been able to attract is airlines from other bases.
All this hard work seems to be coming un-stuck so quickly, and was great to see the airport thriving with foreign visitors. Even though the foreign airlines was not a significant number it allowed the airport not to be just reliant upon the likes of easyJet and Ryanair.
Does this just leave Wizzair and El-Al now as the only foreign scheduled carriers to the airport?
Maybe easyJet is right and the fees at LTN are higher than other airports in the London area and hence why Transavia have gone too.
I think we could be looking at passenger numbers of 7.5million next year if no new carriers come to the airport. Just loosing Transavia alone wipes away about 200,000 a year flying from the airport. SkyEurope probably wipes away another 500,000 and easyJet if they go ahead with their cuts is likely to be about 1.5million.
Only thing I am holding out hope for is, while the easyJet timetable has been released for all other airports up until June, LTN is only on sale until March... So this could be possible they are stil in negotiations with the council and airport.
All this hard work seems to be coming un-stuck so quickly, and was great to see the airport thriving with foreign visitors. Even though the foreign airlines was not a significant number it allowed the airport not to be just reliant upon the likes of easyJet and Ryanair.
Does this just leave Wizzair and El-Al now as the only foreign scheduled carriers to the airport?
Maybe easyJet is right and the fees at LTN are higher than other airports in the London area and hence why Transavia have gone too.
I think we could be looking at passenger numbers of 7.5million next year if no new carriers come to the airport. Just loosing Transavia alone wipes away about 200,000 a year flying from the airport. SkyEurope probably wipes away another 500,000 and easyJet if they go ahead with their cuts is likely to be about 1.5million.
Only thing I am holding out hope for is, while the easyJet timetable has been released for all other airports up until June, LTN is only on sale until March... So this could be possible they are stil in negotiations with the council and airport.
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I think the proposed easy reduction equates to about 950,000; They carried about 4.7m through LTN in the last 12 months following the current 14% reduction.
Easy have today taken a full page add in the local "Luton News", asking everyone to contact LBC to help sort out the problem over fees(they take over 50%) and save jobs. Drawing of a bird with its head in the sand. I'm sure this will have the desired effect-not.
Easy have today taken a full page add in the local "Luton News", asking everyone to contact LBC to help sort out the problem over fees(they take over 50%) and save jobs. Drawing of a bird with its head in the sand. I'm sure this will have the desired effect-not.
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Luton Passenger Figures
I think you are way off the mark Giles with your passenger numbers. As I said Transavia only carried between 55-60,000 passengers in the full year and SkyEurope were considerably less than 500,000. Check with the CAA Statistics its all there in black and white. Cheers C3B