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You will operate from the airport that offers the 'best deal'? Sadly due to oppressive debt, that place to the east of Luton that I am not allowed to mention is probably not quite in the position it once was, to offer loss leaders to incumbent carriers?
No doubt Air Berlin are 'playing the field' due to thier own financial issues?
No doubt Air Berlin are 'playing the field' due to thier own financial issues?
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Wow, that would be a major coup if they do operate from LTN, they use to have a huge operation at STN but think this has been scaled back in recent years...
I remember when they use to operate to the likes Manchester, Belfast, Glasgow and Edinburgh, and they used STN as a hub for onward connections to Spain and Germany. Don't think this id like this anymore...
Their operations if they came to LTN would probably be of a comparable size to Wizzair...
Looking at the STN arrival board for tomorrow there are only three arrivals between 6am and 10am...
I remember when they use to operate to the likes Manchester, Belfast, Glasgow and Edinburgh, and they used STN as a hub for onward connections to Spain and Germany. Don't think this id like this anymore...
Their operations if they came to LTN would probably be of a comparable size to Wizzair...
Looking at the STN arrival board for tomorrow there are only three arrivals between 6am and 10am...
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Looking at the STN arrival board for tomorrow there are only three arrivals between 6am and 10am
And of cause my last post was 'kick' rather than 'lick'
not AB with BAA...
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Air Berlin - size of operations
Hi,
Just in case you were wondering:
Air Berlin's operations at STN are much smaller than they used to be. At the moment, they operate an average about 9 departures per day: 3 to DUS (mainly Dash-8s), 2 to Hannover, 2 to Munster (mainly Dash-8s), 1 to Paderborn (Dash-8) and about 11 per week to Nuremberg.
From LTN, Wizzair are currently operating an average of over 16 departures per day, which is more than Ryanair (over 14 per day).
It all counts though.
Just in case you were wondering:
Air Berlin's operations at STN are much smaller than they used to be. At the moment, they operate an average about 9 departures per day: 3 to DUS (mainly Dash-8s), 2 to Hannover, 2 to Munster (mainly Dash-8s), 1 to Paderborn (Dash-8) and about 11 per week to Nuremberg.
From LTN, Wizzair are currently operating an average of over 16 departures per day, which is more than Ryanair (over 14 per day).
It all counts though.
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There are no crossover of routes there to Germany - LTN needs more German routes as we only have Berlin, Hamburg and Dortmund (Could AB also launch a winter PMI route as nobody is doing it this year?)
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From TTG website:
EasyJet in deadlock with Luton airport
Friday, August 21, 2009
Chris Gray
Negotiations between easyJet and Luton airport over landing fees for next year are understood to have reached an impasse that could threaten the size of the airline’s presence at the base.
EasyJet, which is the largest airline at Luton, is understood to be refusing to pay higher landing charges proposed by the airport and debating whether to move aircraft to Stansted and Gatwick instead.
The airline started at Luton and still regards it as its “spiritual home” but has been at odds with the airport over several issues, including a £1 drop-off charge, as well as the proposed increase in landing fees.
Sources close to the negotiations suggest airport charges already make up about 10% of the average easyJet fare from Luton and the proposed increase would force it to raise ticket prices for passengers.
It is thought that if easyJet does not get the deal it wants, it could drop plans to expand at Luton and move two of its eight aircraft based there to other airports.
A Luton airport spokeswoman said: “We are in negotiations with all of the airlines and as we renegotiate contracts. We are always discussing new routes and growth with the airlines.”
EasyJet spokesman Andrew McConnell said: “Talks are still continuing between easyJet and the airport about airport costs and the future growth strategy, which would allow us to invest at the airport to create much needed jobs.”
EasyJet in deadlock with Luton airport
Friday, August 21, 2009
Chris Gray
Negotiations between easyJet and Luton airport over landing fees for next year are understood to have reached an impasse that could threaten the size of the airline’s presence at the base.
EasyJet, which is the largest airline at Luton, is understood to be refusing to pay higher landing charges proposed by the airport and debating whether to move aircraft to Stansted and Gatwick instead.
The airline started at Luton and still regards it as its “spiritual home” but has been at odds with the airport over several issues, including a £1 drop-off charge, as well as the proposed increase in landing fees.
Sources close to the negotiations suggest airport charges already make up about 10% of the average easyJet fare from Luton and the proposed increase would force it to raise ticket prices for passengers.
It is thought that if easyJet does not get the deal it wants, it could drop plans to expand at Luton and move two of its eight aircraft based there to other airports.
A Luton airport spokeswoman said: “We are in negotiations with all of the airlines and as we renegotiate contracts. We are always discussing new routes and growth with the airlines.”
EasyJet spokesman Andrew McConnell said: “Talks are still continuing between easyJet and the airport about airport costs and the future growth strategy, which would allow us to invest at the airport to create much needed jobs.”
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easyJet at Luton!
While a threat like this should never be taken light heartedly, especially from an airline like easyJet, which is the airports main customer... I don't think easyJet will have much of a leg to stand on!
They are being totally hypocritical, complaining about the fees at LTN, and threatening to move to STN and LGW... When they already have major issues with BAA about the fees they are paying and last year removed aircraqft from their STN base! I would expect LTN's fees are favourable compared to these two airports, and are probably just trying to jump on Ryanair bandwagon, trying to secure the best deals possibly with threats. (I'm reluctant to call them idle threats!)
A few years back LTN was very reliant upon easyJet for their traffic, but in recent years this has diversified some what!
Luton needs to play this game carefully, but doubt they will have much too worry about.
They are being totally hypocritical, complaining about the fees at LTN, and threatening to move to STN and LGW... When they already have major issues with BAA about the fees they are paying and last year removed aircraqft from their STN base! I would expect LTN's fees are favourable compared to these two airports, and are probably just trying to jump on Ryanair bandwagon, trying to secure the best deals possibly with threats. (I'm reluctant to call them idle threats!)
A few years back LTN was very reliant upon easyJet for their traffic, but in recent years this has diversified some what!
Luton needs to play this game carefully, but doubt they will have much too worry about.
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Drop Off Zone Etc
Having visited my ¨local¨ airport for the first time last week for a little time and saw for myself the rip-off drop off zone it seemed quite well patronised. I used the 60 minute free service and it was quite adequate. Having driven up through France for the first time from my new residence in Spain I managed to drop into two or three regional French airports - Pau, Tours and Pamplona and Granada in Spain - not much traffic but beaufully clean and pleasant buildings and the car parking was free!
Interesting about Air Berlin has as already been said that would shake a few bones over in Essex. The easyJet discussions are standard practice when new deals are being negotiated, we will just have to wait and see.
While I was at Luton at heard from a number of well informed sources that El Al are extremely delighted with the quality of service etc. they are getting and are looking to transfer some services from Heathrow - now that would be interesting!
Interesting about Air Berlin has as already been said that would shake a few bones over in Essex. The easyJet discussions are standard practice when new deals are being negotiated, we will just have to wait and see.
While I was at Luton at heard from a number of well informed sources that El Al are extremely delighted with the quality of service etc. they are getting and are looking to transfer some services from Heathrow - now that would be interesting!
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While I was at Luton at heard from a number of well informed sources that El Al are extremely delighted with the quality of service etc. they are getting and are looking to transfer some services from Heathrow - now that would be interesting
The easyJet discussions are standard practice when new deals are being negotiated, we will just have to wait and see.
Regarding the Air Berlin rumour, whilst it would be a "coup" for LTN, I still think it is fairly unlikely, but who knows, as things can change quite quickly, especially in the current financial climate. AB flights ex STN, are bookable throughout S10, at the moment
I know little of the current LTN pricing negotiations with Easyjet but as some one who has operated out of LTN for many years on a daily basis I can honestly say that LTN Airport is a disaster area.
The recent roundabout changes and addition of traffic lights have made traffic congestion intolerable. The fool who designed this lay out should be sacked and the Airport Management who agreed to it should be fired. Everybody knows that a one way system is the answer to the problem so who would plan a road layout in a figure 8 so that all cars entering have to cross paths with all cars leaving. Traffic flow rates are instantly halved. Combine this with cars who then decide to off load passengers while the lights are red and you have chaos.
The £1 drop of charge is an insult as cars also have to queue to get out thanks to the traffic lights, queues at passenger security are a joke yet they have the nerve to charge £3 to avoid their incompetance and go through the speedy security line. And finally in recent weeks they have added an obstacle course in arrivals thanks to the addition of columns with advertising on them that 1000s of passengers a day now have to weave through with their baggage. I wont even mention flow rates during LVPs, back tracking issues for both runways and general congestion issues on the stands. However much easyjet are paying to LTN it's too much!
The recent roundabout changes and addition of traffic lights have made traffic congestion intolerable. The fool who designed this lay out should be sacked and the Airport Management who agreed to it should be fired. Everybody knows that a one way system is the answer to the problem so who would plan a road layout in a figure 8 so that all cars entering have to cross paths with all cars leaving. Traffic flow rates are instantly halved. Combine this with cars who then decide to off load passengers while the lights are red and you have chaos.
The £1 drop of charge is an insult as cars also have to queue to get out thanks to the traffic lights, queues at passenger security are a joke yet they have the nerve to charge £3 to avoid their incompetance and go through the speedy security line. And finally in recent weeks they have added an obstacle course in arrivals thanks to the addition of columns with advertising on them that 1000s of passengers a day now have to weave through with their baggage. I wont even mention flow rates during LVPs, back tracking issues for both runways and general congestion issues on the stands. However much easyjet are paying to LTN it's too much!
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Concur with AB. Approach to LTN 'by road' is a joke. Heard one of the 'hierarchy' say that they should charge £5 for 10 mins parking (not £1) to dissuade people from parking at 'Short term'.
In my opinion, not aware of what 'passengers' want but looking for speedy income. Who knows, 'he' may not be at LTN next financial year?
In my opinion, not aware of what 'passengers' want but looking for speedy income. Who knows, 'he' may not be at LTN next financial year?
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An easyJet flight for Zurich returned back to LTN reporting smoke in the cockpit and all emergency services were put on full alert...
According to BBC 3CR the aircraft returned safely and has been checked by engineers and is OK to depart again. Thats what they said in the 9am bulletin.
According to BBC 3CR the aircraft returned safely and has been checked by engineers and is OK to depart again. Thats what they said in the 9am bulletin.
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Used my local airport again recently. Cannot beleive they also now charge for the baggage trolleys. Yes I know it is only £1 but there is a principle here.
On the return there was only 1 other flight + ours. Shambles at passport control - landed 23.57 into baggage reclaim at 00.55!!!!! And STILL had to wait for the baggage!! Yes I am in favour of tight controls but I am lead to beleive that at the other airports in London there is not such a problem. Similarly no such delays in major European cities.
On the return there was only 1 other flight + ours. Shambles at passport control - landed 23.57 into baggage reclaim at 00.55!!!!! And STILL had to wait for the baggage!! Yes I am in favour of tight controls but I am lead to beleive that at the other airports in London there is not such a problem. Similarly no such delays in major European cities.
Looks like Flybe have pulled the Jersey flight from Luton for the winter.
My neighbour was booked on a Christmas market package in December, departing from Luton. She was told today that they are now flying from Stansted.
On the Flybe website you can't book to Jersey after October.
My neighbour was booked on a Christmas market package in December, departing from Luton. She was told today that they are now flying from Stansted.
On the Flybe website you can't book to Jersey after October.
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Why does this forum seem to be a whinging ground for everytime someone has a bad experience at LTN...
Every other post on here seems to be complaints about is the approach to the airport, drop off zone or supplementry charges. Why not take your complaints up with the airport or post on a website like Trip Advisor or SkyTrax.
For 99% of passengers these days, they use pull along bags and this isn't a problem.
Passport Control, is run by by UK Border Control, and beyond the airports control. They can provide input into how many staff should be on duty, but this is ultimately the responsibility of UK Border Control. Similar problems occur at other UK airport.
Every other post on here seems to be complaints about is the approach to the airport, drop off zone or supplementry charges. Why not take your complaints up with the airport or post on a website like Trip Advisor or SkyTrax.
Yes I know it is only £1 but there is a principle here.
Shambles at passport control - landed 23.57 into baggage reclaim at 00.55!!!!!
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Passport Control, is run by by UK Border Control, and beyond the airports control. They can provide input into how many staff should be on duty, but this is ultimately the responsibility of UK Border Control. Similar problems occur at other UK airport
According to the Sun Camp Bastion in Afghanistan is busier than Luton Link
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Hi gilesdavies.
I am aware that border control is not in the hands of Luton Airport/Council but I was trying to make the point that the "experience" of using Luton was not a pleasant one.
Regarding the trolleys you are absoluely right regarding the pull along type of case but 3 year olds are not very good at it after about 30 seconds.
I have complained directly to the Council regarding a previous use and got the usual waffle in reply.
I would much rather come on here and say what a fantastic airport Luton is but I do not feel able to do so after my admittedly limited experience and in comparrison to other UK and European airports. Maybe I was unlucky.
I am aware that border control is not in the hands of Luton Airport/Council but I was trying to make the point that the "experience" of using Luton was not a pleasant one.
Regarding the trolleys you are absoluely right regarding the pull along type of case but 3 year olds are not very good at it after about 30 seconds.
I have complained directly to the Council regarding a previous use and got the usual waffle in reply.
I would much rather come on here and say what a fantastic airport Luton is but I do not feel able to do so after my admittedly limited experience and in comparrison to other UK and European airports. Maybe I was unlucky.
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Easyjet at Luton
Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
The main problem is there are no available stands for overnighting/basing new frames as far as i am aware.
The south stands seem free but thats all.
So Easy have i believe 13 based a/c.They are not likely IMHO to move any to other bases and allow competitors to move in.
Luton has one of the largest catchment areas so its not in their best interest really.
Problem could be that Easy decide to base the a/c at LTN then send them off on W patterns or on routes that have only two rotations a day because of Flight times(PFO , SSH , TLV etc)
This will reduce the passenger figures significantly
So if the Airport is approached by say Wizz to base a/c overnight(which could happen in the future) or Jet2 , Flyglobespan , Ryanair etc there really is no room at the inn if Easy stay put.
Its more of a headache for the Airport than Easy, so they will have to think it through properly, which i am sure they will!
(Just like they did with the drop off area
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The main problem is there are no available stands for overnighting/basing new frames as far as i am aware.
The south stands seem free but thats all.
So Easy have i believe 13 based a/c.They are not likely IMHO to move any to other bases and allow competitors to move in.
Luton has one of the largest catchment areas so its not in their best interest really.
Problem could be that Easy decide to base the a/c at LTN then send them off on W patterns or on routes that have only two rotations a day because of Flight times(PFO , SSH , TLV etc)
This will reduce the passenger figures significantly
So if the Airport is approached by say Wizz to base a/c overnight(which could happen in the future) or Jet2 , Flyglobespan , Ryanair etc there really is no room at the inn if Easy stay put.
Its more of a headache for the Airport than Easy, so they will have to think it through properly, which i am sure they will!
(Just like they did with the drop off area
)