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Point taken but the new landside areas are, however, just a little too much like Stansted when it was still very new - sterile and characterless or if you prefer and want to compare it with something a little closer to home the place sometimes reminds me of a big empty funeral parlour something like you might see at O'Connor's at the end of Shandon Street!
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I think the new terminal is a whole lot better than the old one and I don't think the failings of retail are entirely of it's making. The plans for the airport showed quite a different layout with much more space for retail, most of it airside. Simply put there is no attractive retail option airside, no wonder revenues are falling. I don't know if any of you have seen the new "Biza" store at T1 in MAN. It is more akin to BT than Penney's, maybe the CAA (and/or DAA) should just let the pro's to it.
The logical plan might be to move the glass divider so the restaurant is airside move the bar and lounge above their current positions and put retail space in their place. Don't think there is the cash or the will to do that though.
The logical plan might be to move the glass divider so the restaurant is airside move the bar and lounge above their current positions and put retail space in their place. Don't think there is the cash or the will to do that though.
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New Terminal
Have many of you that have been extolling the virtues of the new terminal headed for the security checkpoint on Thursday mornings in August / September 2008? The queue reached all the way back to "The Red Bar" and then retraced itself back to the escalators. People arriving up the escalators had very little room to manoeuvre and indeed many of them jumped the queue causing disagreements with people already in the queuing system and I use the word "system" advisedly! In addition there were some people (not very many) coming out from the Food Market restaurant area who also felt they were entitled to just push into the queue.
From my observations during the 45 minutes it took to progress to the top of the queue there was no interest shown by any passengers in the Food Market restaurant. Indeed the entrance was not visible as you would have to push your way through the security queue to reach the entrance. I cannot see how the restaurant operator is happy with the layout.
By the way all the security channels were open and fully staffed and functioning normally. The main reason the queue was very long was because of the large number of departures scheduled between 7.15 and 8.15 during that time period. I can only guess at the chaos if there were a few addiitional 737 or 320 flights or even 1 or 2 transatlantic flights at the same time. However I don't think airport management need to worry too much about this problem in the current climate. Let me state that the time taken to pass through the security queing system was totally unacceptable for passengers
By the way it was not a "once-off" problem. I travelled on 4 separate occasions on Thursday during the time period.
From my observations during the 45 minutes it took to progress to the top of the queue there was no interest shown by any passengers in the Food Market restaurant. Indeed the entrance was not visible as you would have to push your way through the security queue to reach the entrance. I cannot see how the restaurant operator is happy with the layout.
By the way all the security channels were open and fully staffed and functioning normally. The main reason the queue was very long was because of the large number of departures scheduled between 7.15 and 8.15 during that time period. I can only guess at the chaos if there were a few addiitional 737 or 320 flights or even 1 or 2 transatlantic flights at the same time. However I don't think airport management need to worry too much about this problem in the current climate. Let me state that the time taken to pass through the security queing system was totally unacceptable for passengers
By the way it was not a "once-off" problem. I travelled on 4 separate occasions on Thursday during the time period.
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The design of this terminal should be seriously examined and questioned given the cost of the project. Of course the original plan was for a much larger facility and then as usual in this country corners were cut to save money.
Heard redundancies albeit of a voluntary nature could be looming at the airport. It appears that 100 extra staff were recruited since 2005 and now costs are spiralling and revenue is falling.
Heard redundancies albeit of a voluntary nature could be looming at the airport. It appears that 100 extra staff were recruited since 2005 and now costs are spiralling and revenue is falling.
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RE at ORK
RE announced changes in schedule yesterday
1. GLA suspended
2. DUB down to two flights a day with no early morning departure - looks like FR have won
3. Reducing aircraft based at ORK by one
4. Confirmed Lorient; Nantes; La Rochelle; Jersey and S'hampton bookable for Summer 09
WAT/GAL - AMS suspended
WAT - BHX/MAN down to 5 per week (no service Tues and Sat)
KIR-MAN suspended and no Lorient summer service so looks like they're pulling out of KIR
1. GLA suspended
2. DUB down to two flights a day with no early morning departure - looks like FR have won
3. Reducing aircraft based at ORK by one
4. Confirmed Lorient; Nantes; La Rochelle; Jersey and S'hampton bookable for Summer 09
WAT/GAL - AMS suspended
WAT - BHX/MAN down to 5 per week (no service Tues and Sat)
KIR-MAN suspended and no Lorient summer service so looks like they're pulling out of KIR
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Yes, looks like Ryanair are set to claim victory on Cork - Dublin. Not only will RE be down to just the two Dublin flights a day but with Prestwick also being pulled from January the CAA will soon be down even more revenue for landing fees and charges.
This winter is turning into a nightmare for Cork.
On a.net there is a thread suggesting that DL are to drop ATL-snn for next summer but that there may be a chance that it may be replaced with BOS-snn and there is a suggestion than even an ETOPS equipped 737-800 could be able to do the flight.
If there is any substance at all to the above story it just beats me so much why the CAA are not kicking and screaming trying to get some of this action because the way things are going for poor ol' Cork they are going to have to try and get some new business from somewhere - if they dont the place is screwed and plenty more CAA jobs will sooner rather than later go!
This winter is turning into a nightmare for Cork.
On a.net there is a thread suggesting that DL are to drop ATL-snn for next summer but that there may be a chance that it may be replaced with BOS-snn and there is a suggestion than even an ETOPS equipped 737-800 could be able to do the flight.
If there is any substance at all to the above story it just beats me so much why the CAA are not kicking and screaming trying to get some of this action because the way things are going for poor ol' Cork they are going to have to try and get some new business from somewhere - if they dont the place is screwed and plenty more CAA jobs will sooner rather than later go!
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RE Interlining
Seems this agreement is now unworkable
First RE dept from ORK-DUB is 1135 arriving 1230
Cannot connect to first flight to BOS and JFK; not possible to connect to Washington; Orlando and San Francisco and one hour to make connection to Chicago.
EI website still making connections with old timetable
First RE dept from ORK-DUB is 1135 arriving 1230
Cannot connect to first flight to BOS and JFK; not possible to connect to Washington; Orlando and San Francisco and one hour to make connection to Chicago.
EI website still making connections with old timetable
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Transatlantic
Agree with TtheT that transatlantic should be pursued.
EI are retaining more or less their winter SNN schedule into Summer 09:
Daily to BOS
5 per week to JFK
3 per week to ORD
After all, Delta offering JFK to Gothenburg, Bucharest and Valencia for Summer 09
EI are retaining more or less their winter SNN schedule into Summer 09:
Daily to BOS
5 per week to JFK
3 per week to ORD
After all, Delta offering JFK to Gothenburg, Bucharest and Valencia for Summer 09
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Delta JFK to Gothenburg next summer - is that daily? Crikey, if that is to be a winner there should be no problem at all on a two weekly Cork - JFK regardless of snn and border posts and I will even throw in the credit crunch as well. After all, the new Munster unemployed will need to take up some legal/illegal jobs in the good ol' USA!
It is not often that Cork gets to celebrate a new route these days but Aer Lingus began the three weekly seasonal service to Geneva today. The flight will operate on Tuesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays. The Mrs & I are trying it out on Saturday so I will report back later on how it does.
A French ATR is due on Saturday for some maintenance by Aer Arann. A Sicilly Isles SkyBus Twin Otter is also due on Saturday and she will be doing a once off charter to Newquay. A few bits & pieces of work there to help keep things ticking over in these much darker and bleaker times for Cork and for so many other airports.
Were any of you looking south from the airport yesterday just after 5 pm when Venus rose from behind the moon shining out like a diamond on the rim of the ring of the moon. Very impressive astronomical sight. The binoculars came in handy for something other than de 'planes!
It is not often that Cork gets to celebrate a new route these days but Aer Lingus began the three weekly seasonal service to Geneva today. The flight will operate on Tuesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays. The Mrs & I are trying it out on Saturday so I will report back later on how it does.
A French ATR is due on Saturday for some maintenance by Aer Arann. A Sicilly Isles SkyBus Twin Otter is also due on Saturday and she will be doing a once off charter to Newquay. A few bits & pieces of work there to help keep things ticking over in these much darker and bleaker times for Cork and for so many other airports.
Were any of you looking south from the airport yesterday just after 5 pm when Venus rose from behind the moon shining out like a diamond on the rim of the ring of the moon. Very impressive astronomical sight. The binoculars came in handy for something other than de 'planes!
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I was thinking of where ORK could put INS and customs pre clearance within the terminal - Could they narrow the arrivals corridor, and put INS downstairs in front of the Irish Immigration desks overlooking the apron?
How about over the Duty Free shopping area?
How about over the Duty Free shopping area?
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I'd say it's the furthest thing from their minds. The problem with transatlantic from Cork relates to the fact that the US airlines have doubts about whether the Cork brand name is sufficiently known in the US. Shannon has a 60 year start on us in that regard.
The CAA has figures which show that a ORK EWR or ORK JFK service is very viable but convincing Continental or Delta to take the plunge is not easy particularly in these recessionary time
As for Aerlingus Sin Sceal Eile (That's another story) for non Irish speaking readers.
The CAA has figures which show that a ORK EWR or ORK JFK service is very viable but convincing Continental or Delta to take the plunge is not easy particularly in these recessionary time
As for Aerlingus Sin Sceal Eile (That's another story) for non Irish speaking readers.
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Of course it doesn't have to be an Irish or US carrier to do a transatlantic service now that we have openskies. Jet2 have been using their 757's out of Cork recently to the Canaries. They would do just nicely for a US service now that the price of fuel is reasonable again
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I don't see ORK getting JFK or BOS service in the near future. The frequency obsessed US carriers don't usually launch service at less than 5 or 6 weekly and Im not sure ORK could sustain that in the current climate. Even airports like LHR and MAN are loosing service over the atlantic and surely the worst thing that could happen would be for a TA service at ORK to fail. We might never see a permanent service then! Look at NCL, for example AA pulled out just prior to starting a JFK service and no sign has been seen of a TA service since, despite daily service to Dubai and long haul charter flights both summer and winter.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see CO, DL, or whoever at Gate 5, but I just don't think it will happen until the economy improves on both sides of the Atlantic.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see CO, DL, or whoever at Gate 5, but I just don't think it will happen until the economy improves on both sides of the Atlantic.
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From a business perspective I can understand why Aer Lingus wouldn't want it. It's not worth starting an A330 base in Cork, so that flying in empty aircraft, which isn't good for the economics. And all that to take passengers off their own routes from Dublin and Shannon to the US and from Cork to Heathrow and Amsterdam. If the plan for US-based crews had happened, maybe it would have been ore viable.
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For anyone whom is around and is interested Cork County Council in whose area Cork Airport is situated has an open day tomorrow afternoon between 4 pm and 8 pm at the new Cork Airport International Hotel where county council planners will be presenting proposals on a Cork Airport development plan for the next ten to twenty years. There is talk that renewed attempts are reportedly being made to have airport land rezoned for business parks the outcome of which would seem to suggest that Cork's runway 25/07 would be killed off. There are more details on the Cork County Council website.
Bigi ullamh & bi ann san ostan seo amarach agus cur scrudaithe no ceisteana ar mar seo anuas. Tabhar aire!
Just say No to any attempt at asset stripping Cork Airport - remember if anything is sold you cant get it back later and you can bet our dear friends from the mid west will be out hovering with the Beal Bocht looking for a share of any Cork spoils.
Bigi ullamh & bi ann san ostan seo amarach agus cur scrudaithe no ceisteana ar mar seo anuas. Tabhar aire!
Just say No to any attempt at asset stripping Cork Airport - remember if anything is sold you cant get it back later and you can bet our dear friends from the mid west will be out hovering with the Beal Bocht looking for a share of any Cork spoils.
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you can bet our dear friends from the mid west will be out hovering with the Beal Bocht looking for a share of any Cork spoils
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For anyone whom is around and is interested Cork County Council in whose area Cork Airport is situated has an open day tomorrow afternoon between 4 pm and 8 pm at the new Cork Airport International Hotel where county council planners will be presenting proposals on a Cork Airport development plan for the next ten to twenty years. There is talk that renewed attempts are reportedly being made to have airport land rezoned for business parks the outcome of which would seem to suggest that Cork's runway 25/07 would be killed off. There are more details on the Cork County Council website.
There is a dedicated email address available for submissions ([email protected]). Closing date for whinges, sorry, constructive comments, is 21 January 2009.