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1,000 ft would increase the number of aircraft types that could use Cork for transatlantic (important considering the 757 and 767 aren't being made any more) and also extend the range to include cities like Orlando and Chicago (not sure if it would be enough for West Coast) or Dubai to the east.
Obviously, it would still be shorter than Dublin's inadequate runway, but that's inadequate considering potential demand for flights to places such as Hong Kong and the need to take in larger freight aircraft. I doubt large scale freight or Asian destinations are things that Cork needs to worry about.
Most particularly, going more than 1,000ft would mean either very expensive land levelling to the south or some form of extension to the north. The cost of a southern extension couldn't be justified on the grounds that it might be needed. Completing a northern extension at the same time as a southern extension would result in negligible cost savings, so it may as well be done at a later date.
Obviously, it would still be shorter than Dublin's inadequate runway, but that's inadequate considering potential demand for flights to places such as Hong Kong and the need to take in larger freight aircraft. I doubt large scale freight or Asian destinations are things that Cork needs to worry about.
Most particularly, going more than 1,000ft would mean either very expensive land levelling to the south or some form of extension to the north. The cost of a southern extension couldn't be justified on the grounds that it might be needed. Completing a northern extension at the same time as a southern extension would result in negligible cost savings, so it may as well be done at a later date.
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Cork extension
Of course a southern extension wouldn't disrupt the CAT 2 approach lighting on the 17/35 end. Interestingly the 17/35 extension in 1988 took just 4 months to complete after almost twenty years of huffing and puffing by Aer Rianta and successive Governments so its not a major task if the will is there.
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The work in progress on the new widebody stand is gathering apace now. The pouring of the concrete is due to start any time now and it is expected to take about just over a week to complete the job. There is train type set up being fixed up for the pour and by all accounts it will be an impressive sight to see working.
I suppose it would be too much to ask if there was any concrete left over it could be laid down at the end of the 35! If Cork was ever to be offered just another 1,000 feet I think many in Cork would surely settle for it!
Fat chance though in the real world that we wake up to nowadays. Cork will be lucky in 2009 to have an aeroplane to park in the new stand never mind another thousand feet of runway.
The heads are fairly down at Cork and, boy, does the place need a bit of a boost.
I suppose it would be too much to ask if there was any concrete left over it could be laid down at the end of the 35! If Cork was ever to be offered just another 1,000 feet I think many in Cork would surely settle for it!
Fat chance though in the real world that we wake up to nowadays. Cork will be lucky in 2009 to have an aeroplane to park in the new stand never mind another thousand feet of runway.
The heads are fairly down at Cork and, boy, does the place need a bit of a boost.
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Monday's Board meeting at Cork should be interesting.
Of course if people choose not to avail of very generous seat sales then it'll be no surprise if airlines switch their aircraft to other routes.
Of course if people choose not to avail of very generous seat sales then it'll be no surprise if airlines switch their aircraft to other routes.
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Any news on last Monday's board meeting at Cork?
Just a reminder that the closing date is fast approaching for submissions for Cork County Council's Special Local Area Plan for Cork Airport. The Council are happy to receive submissions from the general public and from interested parties on plans for Cork Airport over the next twenty to thirty years. The closing date for submissions is 21st Janary, 2009.
If you like Cork Airport and have any ideas or concerns for her future it would be worth while for kindered spirits to make a contribution even if it was something very basic like saying Keep Runway 25/07 open and fully functional.
The Council had an open day on the above back in early December, 2008 at the new airport hotel. The council had a stand with proposals with accompanying graphics of ideas like the addition of a parallel taxiway to 35, new far side GA parking area, the land east of the N27 road at the threshold to 25 was lined off - this would seem to suggest there are ideas for it and hopefully we will not see any sell off of same in the future? If so, would runway 25/07 then become unusable?
The proposals also included graphics at the ends of runway 17 & 35 suggesting runway extensions & accompanying taxiways. There must be every chance that some local residents will take an interest in the above and may well object to any ideas proposing the extending of either end of 17 or 35.
It would not matter to me personally if 17/35 was closed down permanentally if 25/07 was extended to eight or nine thousand feet. It was interesting, however, that the Council's graphics/diagrams made no reference to 25/07 other than calling it the secondary runway.
So get your thinking caps on there and get your submissions in to [email protected] before the 21st January, 2008 because we can take it for sure that those opposed to the future of Cork Airport will do so whether they come from afar or from much closer to home.
Have your say today!
Just a reminder that the closing date is fast approaching for submissions for Cork County Council's Special Local Area Plan for Cork Airport. The Council are happy to receive submissions from the general public and from interested parties on plans for Cork Airport over the next twenty to thirty years. The closing date for submissions is 21st Janary, 2009.
If you like Cork Airport and have any ideas or concerns for her future it would be worth while for kindered spirits to make a contribution even if it was something very basic like saying Keep Runway 25/07 open and fully functional.
The Council had an open day on the above back in early December, 2008 at the new airport hotel. The council had a stand with proposals with accompanying graphics of ideas like the addition of a parallel taxiway to 35, new far side GA parking area, the land east of the N27 road at the threshold to 25 was lined off - this would seem to suggest there are ideas for it and hopefully we will not see any sell off of same in the future? If so, would runway 25/07 then become unusable?
The proposals also included graphics at the ends of runway 17 & 35 suggesting runway extensions & accompanying taxiways. There must be every chance that some local residents will take an interest in the above and may well object to any ideas proposing the extending of either end of 17 or 35.
It would not matter to me personally if 17/35 was closed down permanentally if 25/07 was extended to eight or nine thousand feet. It was interesting, however, that the Council's graphics/diagrams made no reference to 25/07 other than calling it the secondary runway.
So get your thinking caps on there and get your submissions in to [email protected] before the 21st January, 2008 because we can take it for sure that those opposed to the future of Cork Airport will do so whether they come from afar or from much closer to home.
Have your say today!
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Airport Figures
While ORK seemed quick out of the blocks to release its modest increase in passenger figures for 08, DUB and SNN seem more reticent - anyone have figures?
Suprising to see Charter traffic down 9% in year end figures. Equally no change in European traffic so the board knows what areas it should focus on. However, looking at the travel agents' offerings for 09 there appears to be little expansion in choice from previous years.
Suprising to see Charter traffic down 9% in year end figures. Equally no change in European traffic so the board knows what areas it should focus on. However, looking at the travel agents' offerings for 09 there appears to be little expansion in choice from previous years.
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Roof off
Ya, Passed saturday round 15.00 and there was insulation scattered all across the road and no cars were allowed into the set-down area. 160m won't buy ya quality these days.
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.........with a reported wind of 240/64 knots, I'm not surprised that there was'nt even more damage.........
that's near hurricane force, and in excess of passenger door limitations..
but it did'nt last for long!
that's near hurricane force, and in excess of passenger door limitations..
but it did'nt last for long!
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Peacock 64 knots is a strong wind, but not exceptional in this part of the world. A new building should not suffer structural damage in those conditions. Gusts closer to 80 knots were recorded along the west coast with virtually no damage. (you weren't the designer or builder by any chance
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if I had built it, I would'nt be happy!
64 kt is the strongest I've seen in nearly 19 years in the aviation business!
The 80kt gust was in the western coastal regions, I heard that belmullet in co.mayo had gusts up to 160km/h, so maybe that's what you're talking about.
But then, it's always windier out there, than in Cork.
64 kt is the strongest I've seen in nearly 19 years in the aviation business!
The 80kt gust was in the western coastal regions, I heard that belmullet in co.mayo had gusts up to 160km/h, so maybe that's what you're talking about.
But then, it's always windier out there, than in Cork.
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Shannon figures have been released
3.1 million passengers last year.
Which means that Cork has now passed Shannon.
Although, there's a tinge of regret that it happened because of declining numbers at Shannon rather than an increase in Cork.
3.1 million passengers last year.
Which means that Cork has now passed Shannon.
Although, there's a tinge of regret that it happened because of declining numbers at Shannon rather than an increase in Cork.
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ORK and SNN pax
Traffic at both airports are in freefall at the moment. Cork down by 15% week on week.
Not sure of Shannon figures but with EI and DL cutting back on US flights and a significant cut in Ryanair flights from March it's not going to be easy.
It's seems certain that both will fall below 3m this year and it could be a while before they reach that barrier again.
Not sure of Shannon figures but with EI and DL cutting back on US flights and a significant cut in Ryanair flights from March it's not going to be easy.
It's seems certain that both will fall below 3m this year and it could be a while before they reach that barrier again.
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As bad and all as it will be for both Cork and Shannon Airports this year at the end of it Shannon will more than likely continue to have some sort of daily direct flights to the USA and Cork will not even have a sniff of same.
I have been thinking a lot lately about the whole industry at Cork and the way it has developed over the years and I am coming to the conclusion that the travel agents have a hell of a lot to answer for at Cork. They have had it so good and so easy for a few decades at Cork sending families and bucket & spaders off to the same safe destinations year after year. In the UK there has never been a problem sending long haulers out to destinations via two UK airports to the Caribean, Florida or Mexico.
Cork folk have missed out big time in this way of not being able to introduce the idea of long haul holidays from Cork. All you see are the same stupid ads over and over for the likes of Lanzarote and long haul is not at all in the mindset of the locals and I would argue this is another reason why Cork has been so unsuccessful in attracting any USA flights.
I have been thinking a lot lately about the whole industry at Cork and the way it has developed over the years and I am coming to the conclusion that the travel agents have a hell of a lot to answer for at Cork. They have had it so good and so easy for a few decades at Cork sending families and bucket & spaders off to the same safe destinations year after year. In the UK there has never been a problem sending long haulers out to destinations via two UK airports to the Caribean, Florida or Mexico.
Cork folk have missed out big time in this way of not being able to introduce the idea of long haul holidays from Cork. All you see are the same stupid ads over and over for the likes of Lanzarote and long haul is not at all in the mindset of the locals and I would argue this is another reason why Cork has been so unsuccessful in attracting any USA flights.
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Tom,
I just don't think the exotic destinations are that appealing to Irish people, compared to the UK. In Ireland the long haul business tends to centre around NY, Florida and the Eastern Seaboard of the US, in general.
The other consideration is looking at the flights which are actully operating. A couple of charters MAX to any Euro "bucket and spade" destination with a 3/4/5x weekly EI service to Spain/Faro. This does not come anywhere close to the capacity offered out of MAN, for instance, to the likes of AGP, with multiple 757/A321, 767 A300 and 737/A320 flights every single day. The long and short of it is that there is not enough traffic to justify long-haul charters to the likes of the Caribbean, and so on, even when the going was good.
I think the very, very best ORK can hope for is to hold onto the traffic that is currently using the airport and possibly attract a continental airline for a service into their own hub. They also need to hope RE pulls through, they have been very good for the airport over the past decade. They also need to talk to other LCCs about service, but I would not be too optimistic.
Brian.
I just don't think the exotic destinations are that appealing to Irish people, compared to the UK. In Ireland the long haul business tends to centre around NY, Florida and the Eastern Seaboard of the US, in general.
The other consideration is looking at the flights which are actully operating. A couple of charters MAX to any Euro "bucket and spade" destination with a 3/4/5x weekly EI service to Spain/Faro. This does not come anywhere close to the capacity offered out of MAN, for instance, to the likes of AGP, with multiple 757/A321, 767 A300 and 737/A320 flights every single day. The long and short of it is that there is not enough traffic to justify long-haul charters to the likes of the Caribbean, and so on, even when the going was good.
I think the very, very best ORK can hope for is to hold onto the traffic that is currently using the airport and possibly attract a continental airline for a service into their own hub. They also need to hope RE pulls through, they have been very good for the airport over the past decade. They also need to talk to other LCCs about service, but I would not be too optimistic.
Brian.
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Ryan2000->Is that 15% decline down to the routes that have been pulled or is there a decline on existing routes as well? The only route I ever see figures for is ORK-AMS. Last night's EI845 had 148+4 passengers on it, which seems to be a respectable load (85%) for a Thursday night in January given the state of the economy.
As regards the exotic destinations, they're scarcely served from Dublin, so there's minimal chance of seeing them in Cork. Mind you, I would have at least thought that Morocco or Malta might have some Winter sun appeal and at least they would be in the range of A32x/B737 type aircraft.
As regards the exotic destinations, they're scarcely served from Dublin, so there's minimal chance of seeing them in Cork. Mind you, I would have at least thought that Morocco or Malta might have some Winter sun appeal and at least they would be in the range of A32x/B737 type aircraft.
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BMI Baby BHX-ORK gone?
Last bookable flight 28/03/2009 per their website but no official
announcement.
Loads I have heard on the baby have been poor for some time and
at least it should make Aer Lingus secure on the route.
Pete
announcement.
Loads I have heard on the baby have been poor for some time and
at least it should make Aer Lingus secure on the route.
Pete
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Last bookable flight 28/03/2009 per their website but no official
announcement.
Loads I have heard on the baby have been poor for some time and
at least it should make Aer Lingus secure on the route.
Pete
announcement.
Loads I have heard on the baby have been poor for some time and
at least it should make Aer Lingus secure on the route.
Pete
Lets hope BMI Baby continue with the Cork-Manchester route. I think part of the reason for BMI Baby's poor loads has been due to the unreliability of their aircraft. They frequently have big delays on the Cork-Birmingham and Manchester routes and this may have encouraged travellers to switch to Aer Lingus's service which is usually on time.