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I think the e-voting machines was that other clown from Waterford. The one who had ******* on government ******within his department. The one who voted against the smoking ban......
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US Clearance
Any reason why Cork should not apply for and be granted same US clearance procedures as Dublin and Shannon.
Most commentators believe the granting of the procedures will see an increase in biz traffic through Shannon.
This appears to give an unfair competitive advantage to SNN. Airport authority should push for similar procedures in Cork so it can compete for this biz traffic.
Most commentators believe the granting of the procedures will see an increase in biz traffic through Shannon.
This appears to give an unfair competitive advantage to SNN. Airport authority should push for similar procedures in Cork so it can compete for this biz traffic.
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aisle2c - one sec there. SNN was not built in the middle of a construction and other costs boom. Some of the far gates are showing their age with waiting areas built for 737s crammed with widebody passenger loads spilling into the hallways.
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Originally Posted by dubh12000
I think the e-voting machines was that other clown from Waterford. The one who voted against the smoking ban......
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Originally Posted by MarkD
aisle2c - one sec there. SNN was not built in the middle of a construction and other costs boom. Some of the far gates are showing their age with waiting areas built for 737s crammed with widebody passenger loads spilling into the hallways.
There is a widespread belief that the DAA gave all the contracts to their Dublin crony buddies at inflated prices. A unnecessary high 110m terminal that ended up costing an outrageous 220m because the DAA had it planned all the time to stitch up the CAA. It would be nice to believe that anyone responsible for that will suffer slow horrible deaths.... oops !
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dubh12000,
You might want to reconsider your posting. Those allegations have already being the subject of 2500000 euro RTE libel damage payout as a result of a callers comments on the Joe duffy radio show, aswell as a High Court libel case against Independent newspapers.
Those kind of comments will only end up bringing problems to PPrune.
You might want to reconsider your posting. Those allegations have already being the subject of 2500000 euro RTE libel damage payout as a result of a callers comments on the Joe duffy radio show, aswell as a High Court libel case against Independent newspapers.
Those kind of comments will only end up bringing problems to PPrune.
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I doubt if the CAA bothered to apply for the excemption. How many Executive Jets have been told to flip off to Shannon and Kerry for parking over the last four years.
If the CAA had any interest in accomodating these aircraft they would allocate a dedicated parking area to them.
Many investors, company executuves and millionaire tourists have been inconvenienced particularly during the summer months, an appalling first impression to give to them of the airport and region.
If the CAA had any interest in accomodating these aircraft they would allocate a dedicated parking area to them.
Many investors, company executuves and millionaire tourists have been inconvenienced particularly during the summer months, an appalling first impression to give to them of the airport and region.
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The problem with the exemption is that it requires staff to do the immigration and customs work. I'm not sure whether it would be the airport or the US government repsonsible, but whoever it is would end up deciding that it wasn't worthwhile putting it in place when there are no flights to the US.
Of course, the vicious circle nature of things means that not having it means airlines less likely to fly transatlantic, which means less possibility of getting it.
Of course, the vicious circle nature of things means that not having it means airlines less likely to fly transatlantic, which means less possibility of getting it.
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The only airport in Ireland permitted to function unimpeded as per the market place is Dublin and to my mind the DAA having to bother with both Cork and snn is nothing but a blinking nuisance. We hear sometimes that both Cork and snn benefit from the expertise provided by the DAA Mother Ship back in Dublin. How true is this? What kind of expertise is not locally available in Cork and snn? I know that Cork is still but a pup in comparison to snn and Dublin but you would think that after 45 years plus the place could at least work away itself from the technical point of view as regards operations, administration, etc and I am sure that after nearly seventy years of operations snn is even more competent at managing itself locally.
I think that as long as the DAA and it's local puppets in Cork have anything to do with the place Cork will tend to lose out because if anything new and potentially good comes along in terms of promising routes especially medium to long haul ex-Ireland the usual grab all mentality of the Dublin HQ will see the business stay put in Dublin.
No, on the whole the politicised farce that is the DAA and what was the even more farcisal, comical and wildly expensive Aer Rianta is and has been no good for Cork Airport in my opinion. I feel certainly that Cork would have had at least a few America flights before now only for the DAA and Aer Rianta and for that reason alone they are in my opinion deserving of very, very little regard. Perhaps I am too narrow minded in my above view but that is how it seems for me. What passion is there in Cork for the airport by those charged for it's care?
Far more preferable to be snooping out on aeroplane spotters taking pictures of a Czech Air Force Airbus. Some expertise, some passion!
I think that as long as the DAA and it's local puppets in Cork have anything to do with the place Cork will tend to lose out because if anything new and potentially good comes along in terms of promising routes especially medium to long haul ex-Ireland the usual grab all mentality of the Dublin HQ will see the business stay put in Dublin.
No, on the whole the politicised farce that is the DAA and what was the even more farcisal, comical and wildly expensive Aer Rianta is and has been no good for Cork Airport in my opinion. I feel certainly that Cork would have had at least a few America flights before now only for the DAA and Aer Rianta and for that reason alone they are in my opinion deserving of very, very little regard. Perhaps I am too narrow minded in my above view but that is how it seems for me. What passion is there in Cork for the airport by those charged for it's care?
Far more preferable to be snooping out on aeroplane spotters taking pictures of a Czech Air Force Airbus. Some expertise, some passion!
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Im not too sure the DAA are that expert at anything, to be honest. Look at the mess they made of Great Souther Hotels, at a time when every hotel group in the world, across the whole market spectrum were investing in Ireland GSH was a chronic money looser. Look at the niche Bewley's have built for themselves in the UK and Ireland, as but one example.
I still believe that Aer Rianta International should be turned into the holding company and the airports turned to the DAA, CAA and SAA to run. That way the airports will still be independent of one another but not have to be broken up. It's the only way forward I can see.
Brian.
I still believe that Aer Rianta International should be turned into the holding company and the airports turned to the DAA, CAA and SAA to run. That way the airports will still be independent of one another but not have to be broken up. It's the only way forward I can see.
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Wizzair
Wizzair have the 4 Cork routes on sale for next summer. Cork to Warsaw increases to 3 weekly. Cork-Katowice down from 5 to 4 weekly but gets better flight times (Flights now arrive in Katowice at 12.50AM instead of 2/3AM previously). Gdansk and Poznan stay the same - 3 and 2 weekly. Wizzair will have a total of 12 flights per week from Cork next summer.
Also Cork-Katowice is increasing to 5/6 weekly over the Christmas period.
Also Cork-Katowice is increasing to 5/6 weekly over the Christmas period.
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Why are Cork people always victims? My wife tells me of stories of the Cork GAA feeling victimised, and I always read the same around here....
And the DAA forces airlines to fly to Dublin. Its got nothing to do with people wanting to fly there, and airlines wanting to fly there. I keep forgetting.
And how long is 10-28 in Dublin?
How many cities in Europe the size of Cork have Medium and Long Haul routes?
Perhaps quote proper numbers in future, rather than making them up. Google (you may have heard of it) docs proove my point.
Shannon Terminal Development: 36.1m (2000) for a new checkin area, and related roads and car parks. You used IR£ rather than .
http://www.dublinairportauthority.co...4APPENDIX2.pdf
Cork Terminal
The 220m to quote for Cork Terminal is also porkies, as this is the total fixed assets of the airport.
http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/10494-0.doc (page 7)
Development Cost: 150m (2006)
For
* Area 28,300 sq. metres
* Designed to cater for the expected 3+ million passengers this year and with the capacity to expand to take up to 5 million passengers a year
* 30 check-in desks
* 3 incoming and 2 outgoing baggage belts
* A new multi-storey car park with room for 630 cars has been built with direct access to the new Terminal Building via a covered walkway.
Dublins Terminal
And yet again, your dublin figure isnt accurate... the 2bn figure for dublin includes all reconstruction of the airport, including runway, T1 extension, Pier D, and Terminal 2.
"The T2 project includes a new terminal building and a new departures gate area called Pier E. The T2 development also includes a new energy efficient power plant and an upgrade of the airports campus road network. The new terminal is costing 395 million, while the overall cost of the T2 project is 609 million."
T2 The New Passenger Terminal at Dublin Airport
So, you underestimated the investment in Shannon Terminal by 26%,
over estimated the cork cost by 32%,
and overestimated the T2 project by a whopping super duper 70%.
But why let facts and figures get in the way of hysterical venom.
Oh, and I learnt something new today. The DAA had a European Investment Bank loan for 115m for Cork airport - and people here expected them to keep the Cork loan, but lose the asset that it is held against.
the usual grab all mentality of the Dublin HQ
The only airport in Ireland permitted to function unimpeded as per the market place is Dublin
especially medium to long haul ex-Ireland
Perhaps I am too narrow minded
Shannon's terminal = 29m
Cork's Terminal = 220m
Dublin's Terminal = an estimated 2,000m
Cork's Terminal = 220m
Dublin's Terminal = an estimated 2,000m
Shannon Terminal Development: 36.1m (2000) for a new checkin area, and related roads and car parks. You used IR£ rather than .
http://www.dublinairportauthority.co...4APPENDIX2.pdf
Cork Terminal
The 220m to quote for Cork Terminal is also porkies, as this is the total fixed assets of the airport.
http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/10494-0.doc (page 7)
Development Cost: 150m (2006)
For
* Area 28,300 sq. metres
* Designed to cater for the expected 3+ million passengers this year and with the capacity to expand to take up to 5 million passengers a year
* 30 check-in desks
* 3 incoming and 2 outgoing baggage belts
* A new multi-storey car park with room for 630 cars has been built with direct access to the new Terminal Building via a covered walkway.
Dublins Terminal
And yet again, your dublin figure isnt accurate... the 2bn figure for dublin includes all reconstruction of the airport, including runway, T1 extension, Pier D, and Terminal 2.
"The T2 project includes a new terminal building and a new departures gate area called Pier E. The T2 development also includes a new energy efficient power plant and an upgrade of the airports campus road network. The new terminal is costing 395 million, while the overall cost of the T2 project is 609 million."
T2 The New Passenger Terminal at Dublin Airport
So, you underestimated the investment in Shannon Terminal by 26%,
over estimated the cork cost by 32%,
and overestimated the T2 project by a whopping super duper 70%.
But why let facts and figures get in the way of hysterical venom.
Oh, and I learnt something new today. The DAA had a European Investment Bank loan for 115m for Cork airport - and people here expected them to keep the Cork loan, but lose the asset that it is held against.
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The DAA had a European Investment Bank loan for 115m for Cork airport - and people here expected them to keep the Cork loan, but lose the asset that it is held against.
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Cork Staffing
Revenue at Cork is falling below projections, could have implication for staffing according to a reliable source. It seems that income from car parks and other retail outlets is well below expectations.
Who ever made the decision to make the new terminal an unwelcome unfriendly place for meeters and greeters is responsible for this as the decline set in even before the traffic levelled off.
The practice of relatives and friends travelling to the airport to meet and see off passengers ended when the new terminal opened. These visitors spent a fortune in the car parks, bar and restuarant in the old terminal while waiting for flights to arrive and depart.
Now passengers go airside immediately leaving the landside facilities looking very forlorn.
Who ever made the decision to make the new terminal an unwelcome unfriendly place for meeters and greeters is responsible for this as the decline set in even before the traffic levelled off.
The practice of relatives and friends travelling to the airport to meet and see off passengers ended when the new terminal opened. These visitors spent a fortune in the car parks, bar and restuarant in the old terminal while waiting for flights to arrive and depart.
Now passengers go airside immediately leaving the landside facilities looking very forlorn.
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Well, where then does the responsibility lie for the design of the new Cork terminal? Does it lie with Mother Ship in Dublin or how much of a hand did the local Aer Rianta/CAA/Cork branch of the DAA (call it what you will) have in what was built?
Certainly, the sense of inclusion of an honest Cork sympathy and a feeling of homeliness which was so much a part of the old terminal at Cork disappeared once the new one opened. It is irrelevant whether visitors accompanying passengers to the airport liked aeroplanes or not but the fact was that with any Aer Lingus, Ryanair, Futura, Lourdes departures from the old terminal the relations were there sometime quite en masse taking it all in and waiting on until the relevant flights departed from within their sight from the Liberty Stream Balcony and yes, sure enough, they sure were buying and using car parks. No doubt about that.
The new landside sure did look quite forlorn last Sunday - it was just so, so empty. It is a pity - the sense of social history and the best kind of tradition that Cork Airport could be so proud of was callously dismissed as being irrelevant to the new era.
What a shame.
Certainly, the sense of inclusion of an honest Cork sympathy and a feeling of homeliness which was so much a part of the old terminal at Cork disappeared once the new one opened. It is irrelevant whether visitors accompanying passengers to the airport liked aeroplanes or not but the fact was that with any Aer Lingus, Ryanair, Futura, Lourdes departures from the old terminal the relations were there sometime quite en masse taking it all in and waiting on until the relevant flights departed from within their sight from the Liberty Stream Balcony and yes, sure enough, they sure were buying and using car parks. No doubt about that.
The new landside sure did look quite forlorn last Sunday - it was just so, so empty. It is a pity - the sense of social history and the best kind of tradition that Cork Airport could be so proud of was callously dismissed as being irrelevant to the new era.
What a shame.
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The new terminal is much better as a traveller, but I can understand that it doesn't do much in terms of family members coming to wave people off.
However, it's not as though there's that much in terms of refreshment places airside and the retail offering is very poor compared to similar sized airports internationally. It's pretty much the same old shop, but just a bit bigger and now you're forced to walk through it. Possibly they could do with getting in some retail consultants to consider how to improve the retail offering.
And if they're looking for extra revenue, how about opening the Jack Lynch lounge earlier. Currently, it opens at 6am, completely missing the passengers on the 06:20 to Amsterdam. After the 07:25 to Heathrow and the 16:00 to Heathrow, this flight has more Gold Circle passengers than any other during the day. They'd get to charge Aer Lingus 20 per passenger for people who are only going to come in to grab a pastry and a coffee at that hour.
All that said, how much of the lost revenue is hitting the airport itself and how much is it a problem for HMSHost?
However, it's not as though there's that much in terms of refreshment places airside and the retail offering is very poor compared to similar sized airports internationally. It's pretty much the same old shop, but just a bit bigger and now you're forced to walk through it. Possibly they could do with getting in some retail consultants to consider how to improve the retail offering.
And if they're looking for extra revenue, how about opening the Jack Lynch lounge earlier. Currently, it opens at 6am, completely missing the passengers on the 06:20 to Amsterdam. After the 07:25 to Heathrow and the 16:00 to Heathrow, this flight has more Gold Circle passengers than any other during the day. They'd get to charge Aer Lingus 20 per passenger for people who are only going to come in to grab a pastry and a coffee at that hour.
All that said, how much of the lost revenue is hitting the airport itself and how much is it a problem for HMSHost?
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ORK Retail
Assume only retail revenue CAA receives directly is from duty free shop (although suspect a percentage goes to the DAA) and income from the rented out units. Therefore revenues from rentals can't come as a disppointment as the CAA fixed the rents in the first place
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agh ttt is misty eyed over the old viewing area.A tip would be too kind a comment.Filthy chairs and tables ,screaming brats running wild ,pissed mom and dad watching the aeroplanes!I really miss it like!
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