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Don't worry about December, its the first months of 2009 that are the ones to fret about.
If we think things are bad now, strap in, its about to get interesting !
If we think things are bad now, strap in, its about to get interesting !
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I think November was down about 8% which is broadly in line with traffic trends in this part of the World.
Things look like getting worse before they get better particularly as PIK and EMA were operating from mid December last year and gave a boost to the figures throughout 2009. They're now out of the equation.There are also fewer flights on STN and EI are not fully utilising one of the 4 based aircraft so it'll be a rough start to 2009.
Anyone know how Shannon and Dublin are doing passenger wise?
Things look like getting worse before they get better particularly as PIK and EMA were operating from mid December last year and gave a boost to the figures throughout 2009. They're now out of the equation.There are also fewer flights on STN and EI are not fully utilising one of the 4 based aircraft so it'll be a rough start to 2009.
Anyone know how Shannon and Dublin are doing passenger wise?
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Could someone please follow TTT around with a camera so we can capture the moment when his head explodes (i.e. when Mannion announces the aircraft from the Gatwick base will include transfers from Cork)
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Ah, Mark, I am so chuffed that you thought of me! 
Almost endearing it is! The real Christmas spirit! You must be so sentimental for the ol' sod and be missing Cork be it Barrack Street, Shandon Street, Patrick Street or the North Main Street!
Now, as for EI and LGW, dont talk to me! What lunacy has possessed Mannion & company to send an Airbus to Knock and not to Cork!!?? Ducksie has roughly a 90% LF to LGW ex Cork with high fares so why EI wont go for a chunk of that it beats me. Too afraid of upsetting Ducksie?
Almost endearing it is! The real Christmas spirit! You must be so sentimental for the ol' sod and be missing Cork be it Barrack Street, Shandon Street, Patrick Street or the North Main Street!Now, as for EI and LGW, dont talk to me! What lunacy has possessed Mannion & company to send an Airbus to Knock and not to Cork!!?? Ducksie has roughly a 90% LF to LGW ex Cork with high fares so why EI wont go for a chunk of that it beats me. Too afraid of upsetting Ducksie?
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Ah lads, come on look at the schedules. EI made the decision that they were going for attractive schedules to key european destinations for the day tripper/business traveler. That only left middle of the day times for the NOC route, which would be fine, except that is when FR have scheduled to ORK-LGW for. NOC-LGW has a ready built customer base which os no longer served since the bankruptcy of the XL leisure group. It makes much more sense to operate that flight to NOC than ORK, where they would have nothing to offer over FR.
As the LGW base grows I would say 2x daily EI flight to LGW is likely. I could see one of the 5 LHR slots moving to SNN, BFS or DUB to compensate for that. EI are filling the A321 consistently at least in the morning and evenings, so LGW could offer them an option.
Brian.
As the LGW base grows I would say 2x daily EI flight to LGW is likely. I could see one of the 5 LHR slots moving to SNN, BFS or DUB to compensate for that. EI are filling the A321 consistently at least in the morning and evenings, so LGW could offer them an option.
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LGW planes?
Does anyone know where the 3 Airbus 320's are going to come from for LGW not to mention the 5 more that will be based there next year.
At present EI has 3 aircarft at BFS and 4 at Cork. The remainder are in Dublin but I preseume that they are untouchable, the Unions would never agree to moving any of them.
At present EI has 3 aircarft at BFS and 4 at Cork. The remainder are in Dublin but I preseume that they are untouchable, the Unions would never agree to moving any of them.
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LGW will be made possible through addition of additional aircraft which are being sourced at present, apparently. There are no current plans to reduce capacity at DUB, ORK or BFS. In any case summer schedules have been on sale for quite a while and EI needs to be seen to grow, not play musical chairs!
Just another quick reason for NOC-LGW. The LGW crews will be on "local T&C's" and cannot operate into EI crew bases at ORK, DUB and SNN. If ORK is going to get an EI connection to LGW it will have to be using DUB or additional ORK aircraft.
Brian.
Just another quick reason for NOC-LGW. The LGW crews will be on "local T&C's" and cannot operate into EI crew bases at ORK, DUB and SNN. If ORK is going to get an EI connection to LGW it will have to be using DUB or additional ORK aircraft.
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haha im shortly about to start my cpl here in ork and this thread terrifies me.. lol hmmmm 1000 more feet on 17, hmmm that makes it 2438 metres by my calculation. could it get any easier to land the old 172 there,, seriously
question is 2500 metres enough to cop with most transatlantic flights??
question is 2500 metres enough to cop with most transatlantic flights??
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Cork's Runway
The existing runway is capable of supporting 757 and 767 flights to East Coast destinations and according to some sources A330's as well. 8,000ft would certainly be adequate given that Dublin has A330's operating to SFO off 8.500 ft.
All very fanciful now that traffic at ORK and elsewhere is beginning to freefall.
All very fanciful now that traffic at ORK and elsewhere is beginning to freefall.
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Yes, and Aer Lingus are flying to Rennes this summer with A320s just to follow on from last year try out on Jersey.
Jersey & Rennes - tweedle dum & tweedle dee between RE & EI.
God forbid it that they go to somewhere like BRU where there might be a bit of potential.
What do you think:- Will the time ever come when Cork people get 5h!t sick of ACE and get to go to somewhere else like Sharm El Skeikh and just how much control do the travel agents have over what choice we have in where we want to go for our two weeks in the sun. Cork is long overdue somewhere like SSH? Or are there just no risk takers out there?
Jersey & Rennes - tweedle dum & tweedle dee between RE & EI.
God forbid it that they go to somewhere like BRU where there might be a bit of potential.
What do you think:- Will the time ever come when Cork people get 5h!t sick of ACE and get to go to somewhere else like Sharm El Skeikh and just how much control do the travel agents have over what choice we have in where we want to go for our two weeks in the sun. Cork is long overdue somewhere like SSH? Or are there just no risk takers out there?
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How'r ya gonna get there TTT, as a 737 or 320 don't have the range.
IMHO it'd need a 757 or something longer legged, thus pushing up the number of seats to be sold,in order to cover costs.
Everyone is becoming a little risk-averse at the moment.
IMHO it'd need a 757 or something longer legged, thus pushing up the number of seats to be sold,in order to cover costs.
Everyone is becoming a little risk-averse at the moment.
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"according to some sources 17/35 is capable of supporting flights by A330's to the East Coast of the USA"
Absolutely correct, have the figures somewhere in the home office!
Absolutely correct, have the figures somewhere in the home office!
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They have used 16/34 at Dublin on occassions and its just over 6.000ft. Even senior EI executives have said the length of the runway at Cork is not an issue. I'm sure the dilution of the yield on SNN JFK and SNN BOS is what's uppermost on their minds.
If they operated ORK JFK, They would gain many of the business passnegers presently transiting LHR. Repeated efforts to get them to make the journey by free surface transport to Shannon have not been a success.
If they operated ORK JFK, They would gain many of the business passnegers presently transiting LHR. Repeated efforts to get them to make the journey by free surface transport to Shannon have not been a success.
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Final Figures
Passenger numbers through Cork Airport grew by 80,000 last year to reach a record 3.25 million, a 2.5% increase over 2007, according to year end figures released by Cork Airport.
London traffic grew by 4% to 927,000 passengers, while UK Provincial traffic grew by an impressive 26% to 669,000 passengers by the end of the year.
Passenger volumes to and from continental Europe on scheduled services stayed at similar levels to 2007 at 869,000 passengers.
A further 342,000 passengers flew to various sun, ski and pilgrimage destinations on charter flights during the year, which was down 9% on 2007.
The number of passengers travelling on domestic routes declined by 10% to 443,000 passengers during the year.
Disappointing overall. ORK experienced 9% increase in first four months of 08, then a 5% increase in first nine months with UK prov traffic up 34% and now just a 2.5% increase with UK prov up 26% - clearly FRs pull out hurt the figures. Also the last three months must have been dismal to reduce the % increase from 9% at start of 08.
Anyone know the SNN figures? First three quarters of 08 showed SNN down 13% - if this holds then ORK marginally in front of SNN in terms of passenger nos for 08.
London traffic grew by 4% to 927,000 passengers, while UK Provincial traffic grew by an impressive 26% to 669,000 passengers by the end of the year.
Passenger volumes to and from continental Europe on scheduled services stayed at similar levels to 2007 at 869,000 passengers.
A further 342,000 passengers flew to various sun, ski and pilgrimage destinations on charter flights during the year, which was down 9% on 2007.
The number of passengers travelling on domestic routes declined by 10% to 443,000 passengers during the year.
Disappointing overall. ORK experienced 9% increase in first four months of 08, then a 5% increase in first nine months with UK prov traffic up 34% and now just a 2.5% increase with UK prov up 26% - clearly FRs pull out hurt the figures. Also the last three months must have been dismal to reduce the % increase from 9% at start of 08.
Anyone know the SNN figures? First three quarters of 08 showed SNN down 13% - if this holds then ORK marginally in front of SNN in terms of passenger nos for 08.
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Originally Posted by Ryan2000
If they operated ORK JFK, They would gain many of the business passnegers presently transiting LHR. Repeated efforts to get them to make the journey by free surface transport to Shannon have not been a success.
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Mark, my head is exploding now so get your camera out!
Aisle, over the Christmas holiday the Aer Lingus website was offering Cork-Barcelona at around Euro 52 all in including tax for the end of Janary. Yes, one day, I should like to visit Girona too but it will be the bus from Barcelona to get there and not the FR from Th'Other Place!
I was checking the Geneva prices again. Very expensive ex Cork which may suggest the route is doing rather well? When She Who Must Be Obeyed & I travelled there in early December the outbound load was 130 plus and the return was around the century mark. My sense is that it would be a runner all year around with so many points in Switzerland, France and Italy so easily accessible from Geneva and as EI will refocus the GVA timings for Lisbon from March maybe there is an opportunity for the CAA to approach the likes of FlyBaboo or even Swiss. Those ERJ 190s & Q400s sure look good and they would look even better on the ramp at Cork.
The big drop in passengers for the final few months at Cork is alarming to say the least. A nine per cent increase in passengers for the first four months, a five per cent increase for the first nine months and then the slump to just 2.5 per cent for the year overall is so disappointing. I wonder might the predicament encourage the CAA to examine the North Atlantic - if U S airlines dont want to send 737NGs to snn prefering to send in 757s I for one sure would have no objection to Cork & the CAA hosting either a COA 737-900ER or even a DAL 737-800 even if it was just a short summer series to test the market.
Either way, the CAA has got to get moving - it will be good jobs going out past the airport gates and soon at that if nothing is done to recover some of the passenger numbers that have been falling away of late.
Aisle, over the Christmas holiday the Aer Lingus website was offering Cork-Barcelona at around Euro 52 all in including tax for the end of Janary. Yes, one day, I should like to visit Girona too but it will be the bus from Barcelona to get there and not the FR from Th'Other Place!
I was checking the Geneva prices again. Very expensive ex Cork which may suggest the route is doing rather well? When She Who Must Be Obeyed & I travelled there in early December the outbound load was 130 plus and the return was around the century mark. My sense is that it would be a runner all year around with so many points in Switzerland, France and Italy so easily accessible from Geneva and as EI will refocus the GVA timings for Lisbon from March maybe there is an opportunity for the CAA to approach the likes of FlyBaboo or even Swiss. Those ERJ 190s & Q400s sure look good and they would look even better on the ramp at Cork.
The big drop in passengers for the final few months at Cork is alarming to say the least. A nine per cent increase in passengers for the first four months, a five per cent increase for the first nine months and then the slump to just 2.5 per cent for the year overall is so disappointing. I wonder might the predicament encourage the CAA to examine the North Atlantic - if U S airlines dont want to send 737NGs to snn prefering to send in 757s I for one sure would have no objection to Cork & the CAA hosting either a COA 737-900ER or even a DAL 737-800 even if it was just a short summer series to test the market.
Either way, the CAA has got to get moving - it will be good jobs going out past the airport gates and soon at that if nothing is done to recover some of the passenger numbers that have been falling away of late.
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That's a very long term plan and is dependent on there being a realistic possibility of long haul scheduled flights from Cork and not the wishful thinking that we hear of from time to time.