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Cork decline
The decline is due to a number of factors, no PIK, EMA or BTS this year, a slight reduction in flights by EI and and FR. Also RE have reduced capacity and there are less flights to Canaries and Ski resorts.
I pressume the recession is taking its toll.
I pressume the recession is taking its toll.
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I think en2r makes a very valid point about the unreliability of the WW service. Any regular travellers I know, myself included, avoid WW if at all possible.
I also see that the additional MAN-ORK services EI had planned to operate seem to have disappeared from the booking engine. Pity, but a lot better than seeing the route ending altogether. I think its time to batton down the hatches, things are going to get very bumpy, unfortunately.
Brian.
I also see that the additional MAN-ORK services EI had planned to operate seem to have disappeared from the booking engine. Pity, but a lot better than seeing the route ending altogether. I think its time to batton down the hatches, things are going to get very bumpy, unfortunately.
Brian.
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Ww Bhx
The timings as well are not that friendly... and typically all over the place. The last time I used them, getting back to BHX at 23.00 when there's few baggage lads on, so nearly an hours wait at the carousel makes EIs mid-afternoon schedule look attractive (especially with two under-5s).
For me anyway, in recent times there's no contest, EI's fares are competitive, often cheaper (if they maintain them now that the competition is going), the service is good and the aircraft clean & tidy. Hopefully they will prosper and see fit to revert to daily.
For me anyway, in recent times there's no contest, EI's fares are competitive, often cheaper (if they maintain them now that the competition is going), the service is good and the aircraft clean & tidy. Hopefully they will prosper and see fit to revert to daily.
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Midland Meltdown
Only problem is that EI plan just 4 per week on ORK BHX for the Summer. The reduction in flights from Cork to the English Midlands is down from 19 per week last year to just 4 per week this year. Even allowing for the downturn that doesn't make sense.
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You're right Ryan2000 it does seem like a very big reduction. Im not sure if there is any slack left in the schedule at this point, for the summer. I think MAN might have been quietly reduced from 6x to 4x weekly though, so if nothing else has changed, and the days are right this might be an option, possible that EI might consider W patterns from DUB, or just ride the wave of high-fares where ever they can get them in these tough times.
Brian.
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RE engine fire
Anyone got more info on the aer arann emergency evac on the ramp yesterday, heard it was an engine fire. All i saw were the fire crews around the aircraft stuck on the apron between stands 9 and 10.
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Arann
Doubt it was an engine fire from what I saw it was an evac from taxiway A for 17
All pax were evacuated and stood under the wings, as I flew back out that afternoon the aircraft EI-REO was parked on a remote stand, think it was stand 16 and there was an engineer working on it looked like no engine cowl damage or airframe damage looked ok from where i saw it from..
JJ
All pax were evacuated and stood under the wings, as I flew back out that afternoon the aircraft EI-REO was parked on a remote stand, think it was stand 16 and there was an engineer working on it looked like no engine cowl damage or airframe damage looked ok from where i saw it from..
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Two carriers I personally would like to see back in Cork airport are Easyjet and CSA. Easyjet could perhaps replace East Midlands from Ryanair and perhaps start a couple more like Milan, Venice, Pisa and Marseilles. CSA could replace Aer Lingus to Prague with maybe three weekly flights. Glad to see Brussels Airport having Cork on their wish list. Maybe British Midland or Brussels Airlines should start flights from Cork to Brussels. Love to know what’s on Cork Airport’s wish list. Austrian Airlines to take over Vienna from Sky Europe.
My wish list:
Brussels
Copenhagen
Dusseldorf
Milan
Stockholm
Bordeaux
Zurich
Venice
Frankfurt
Vienna
Marseilles
Prague
I would not allow Aer Lingus and Ryanair to start flight to Northern Italy. My guess is that someone like Jet2 or Easyjet could start to somewhere like Milan and Venice or maybe Venice and Pisa would do well from Cork which needs flights to North Italy. New flights to Italy were requested in the survey carried out early in 2008.
Is anybody showing any interest in taking over Glasgow and East Midlands, perhaps FlyBe could start flights to Glasgow or perhaps Easyjet should take over both East Midlands and Glasgow my choice are they would . Any more developments on who the airport are negotiation with in regards a new hub connection. LX to Zurich or LH to Frankfurt, why not both of them for business and leisure passengers?
My wish list:
Brussels
Copenhagen
Dusseldorf
Milan
Stockholm
Bordeaux
Zurich
Venice
Frankfurt
Vienna
Marseilles
Prague
I would not allow Aer Lingus and Ryanair to start flight to Northern Italy. My guess is that someone like Jet2 or Easyjet could start to somewhere like Milan and Venice or maybe Venice and Pisa would do well from Cork which needs flights to North Italy. New flights to Italy were requested in the survey carried out early in 2008.
Is anybody showing any interest in taking over Glasgow and East Midlands, perhaps FlyBe could start flights to Glasgow or perhaps Easyjet should take over both East Midlands and Glasgow my choice are they would . Any more developments on who the airport are negotiation with in regards a new hub connection. LX to Zurich or LH to Frankfurt, why not both of them for business and leisure passengers?
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Is anybody showing any interest in taking over Glasgow and East Midlands
Wizz are the most likely candidate to take on Prague and let's not forget Budapest.
Riga and Vilnius are still crying out for services. Air Baltic could serve one and connecting flights to the other would be automatically possible. Even twice weekly.
I have a vested interested in Brussels making a comeback and am half hoping Ryanair's disenchantment with Shannon will cancel the Charleroi route there, making a Cork to Belgium route a lot more likely.
SAS to the significant Scandinavian hub; Copenhagen, would be all Christmases coming at once, but I'm not holding my breath given their current downsizing policy.
In fact, unfortunately, I'm not holding my breath for any new airlines or routes in 2009 given the current economic climate. Aer Lingus will be too busy investing in Gatwick, and actually our only hope is Ryanair somehow arriving at a situation where they have a more favourable relationship with Cork...
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ORK Expansion
While realising now is not the most opportune time, the only expansion from ORK will come from one of the two Irish players. EI should seize the opportunity given FR's retrenchement at SNN and lauch further routes making ORK the airport for European destinations in Munster.
The German market is still underserved. The only flights from Western Germany (area covering Cologne/Dusseldorf and Frankfurt) into Southern Ireland are the Kerry-Hahn and SNN-Weeze services.
Full service airlines (which include business class element to their service) are not going to launch routes from ORK as there is no market for their premium product - this rules out CSA, SAS and LH.
Not sure there is room for a further hub connection as LHR and AMS both serve this purpose with early departures from ORK to meet the first wave of international departures from these airports. This is a problem with the current CDG departure from ORK. Any hub airline would probably have to o'night an aircraft in ORK as given the time difference and flight time any W pattern from the homebase would have the aircraft back from ORK late morning and therefore too late to connect with the first set of international departures.
The German market is still underserved. The only flights from Western Germany (area covering Cologne/Dusseldorf and Frankfurt) into Southern Ireland are the Kerry-Hahn and SNN-Weeze services.
Full service airlines (which include business class element to their service) are not going to launch routes from ORK as there is no market for their premium product - this rules out CSA, SAS and LH.
Not sure there is room for a further hub connection as LHR and AMS both serve this purpose with early departures from ORK to meet the first wave of international departures from these airports. This is a problem with the current CDG departure from ORK. Any hub airline would probably have to o'night an aircraft in ORK as given the time difference and flight time any W pattern from the homebase would have the aircraft back from ORK late morning and therefore too late to connect with the first set of international departures.
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I think you are right, a network-carrier would need to overnight at ORK, not something that is terribly difficult in itself, but a proven market and strong premium-cabin demand would have to be proven - ORK might struggle on the premium cabin side, especially with the money side of things the way they are. WIth that in mind, if one carrier tries and fails I fear that no one else would have a go for many, many years.
Apparently, EI have long-term ambitions to base up to 7 aircraft at ORK, I imagine that is over a 5 year sort of timescale, at least. I think the upcoming winter time-table will be interesting to see, but I don't think any more A320s will be based at ORK until at least summer 2010, or more realistically 2011. There might be some opportunities for W's from some UK destinations though. Current focus seems to be getting LGW up to 8 based aircraft by March 2010, realistically there will be no significant EI growth at ORK (or BFS or DUB) until at least then, I would have thought.
FR seem harder to predict, on one hand they are pulling down SNN and launching routes from ORK might make the SNN situation even worse in terms of yields (which, from what I understand are the problem). On the other hand one based aircraft at ORK must be pretty expensive, relative to other bases an extra based aircraft could give them economies of scale, although they have clearly chosen not to base additional aircraft at ORK. On one had FR growth brings passengers, but we have seen how whimsical FR can be when it comes to adding and dropping routes - FR clearly have not been the long-term saviour SNN wanted and needs - indeed the opposite is true. Is it wise for ORK to go very far down the FR road????
Brian.
Apparently, EI have long-term ambitions to base up to 7 aircraft at ORK, I imagine that is over a 5 year sort of timescale, at least. I think the upcoming winter time-table will be interesting to see, but I don't think any more A320s will be based at ORK until at least summer 2010, or more realistically 2011. There might be some opportunities for W's from some UK destinations though. Current focus seems to be getting LGW up to 8 based aircraft by March 2010, realistically there will be no significant EI growth at ORK (or BFS or DUB) until at least then, I would have thought.
FR seem harder to predict, on one hand they are pulling down SNN and launching routes from ORK might make the SNN situation even worse in terms of yields (which, from what I understand are the problem). On the other hand one based aircraft at ORK must be pretty expensive, relative to other bases an extra based aircraft could give them economies of scale, although they have clearly chosen not to base additional aircraft at ORK. On one had FR growth brings passengers, but we have seen how whimsical FR can be when it comes to adding and dropping routes - FR clearly have not been the long-term saviour SNN wanted and needs - indeed the opposite is true. Is it wise for ORK to go very far down the FR road????
Brian.
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ORK and FR
Don't think ORK has an option.
I suspect Aer Arann will not survive the downturn and this will leave a significant gap in ORK's UK provincial route network. The only airline that might realistically fill the gap is FR as the replacement airline would need to base an aircraft at ORK to service these routes and perhaps introduce more e.g. glasgow; east midlands or extra capacity on BHX.
While the FLYbe fleet would probably suit the ORK market I can't see them basing an aircraft at an airport with whom they have had no relationship to date. In fact most UK airlines would be unwilling to base aircraft in what is considered FR's backyard. BMIbaby also looks like it will be a victim of the downturn.
The trick for ORK managment is to engage with airlines financially robust enough to survive in the current climate i.e. FR. As pointed out earlier, EI too focused on LGW expansion to consider ORK for the moment.
I suspect Aer Arann will not survive the downturn and this will leave a significant gap in ORK's UK provincial route network. The only airline that might realistically fill the gap is FR as the replacement airline would need to base an aircraft at ORK to service these routes and perhaps introduce more e.g. glasgow; east midlands or extra capacity on BHX.
While the FLYbe fleet would probably suit the ORK market I can't see them basing an aircraft at an airport with whom they have had no relationship to date. In fact most UK airlines would be unwilling to base aircraft in what is considered FR's backyard. BMIbaby also looks like it will be a victim of the downturn.
The trick for ORK managment is to engage with airlines financially robust enough to survive in the current climate i.e. FR. As pointed out earlier, EI too focused on LGW expansion to consider ORK for the moment.
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Bhx-ork
CAA January stats show 7234 only down from 7869.
I noted 90 flights in January and it might have been less.
However 90 gives an average of 80 and a load factor
of about 50% which although is not great is not too
bad for January although fares were low.
The loss of baby means going from one extreme to the
other and lets hope EI can do something about it.
Charlie Roy
Do you know something I don't about BHX-SNN? It goes
double daily on Sundays, Wednesdays & Thursdays for
six weeks before reverting to daily like now. Are you
getting mixed up with SNN-MAN or is the booking engine
wrong for the bhx service?
Pete
I noted 90 flights in January and it might have been less.
However 90 gives an average of 80 and a load factor
of about 50% which although is not great is not too
bad for January although fares were low.
The loss of baby means going from one extreme to the
other and lets hope EI can do something about it.
Charlie Roy
Do you know something I don't about BHX-SNN? It goes
double daily on Sundays, Wednesdays & Thursdays for
six weeks before reverting to daily like now. Are you
getting mixed up with SNN-MAN or is the booking engine
wrong for the bhx service?
Pete
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey
Is it wise for ORK to go very far down the FR road????
It should not be forgotten how Ryanair forced Easyjet off the LGW route and then reduced the service to one a day.
What I would like to see is where an airline pulls a route and another comes in to take it over, the original airline a landing charge of twice the full rate, for a period of five years. That would at least give the new airline a fighting chance.
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I would not allow Aer Lingus and Ryanair to start flight to Northern Italy.
As for expansion...
The best opportunity is in Aer Lingus basing a 5th aircraft.
AFAIK loads and yields out of Cork are better than Dublin or Belfast at the moment, which would seem to put Cork up the pecking order for a new aircraft. However, as noted by other posters, the Gatwick situation muddies this somewhat. Also because of the T&Cs, Gatwick and Belfast have lower cost bases.
If EI did base an extra aircraft, I would imagine it would primarily be used to expand services on existing routes. BHX has scope for more services as does CGD. AMS could go double daily in the Summer as well as the Winter and could probably even go to 3x daily on Thursdays, Fridays, Sundays or Mondays.
If capacity was left for new routes from EI, LGW would probably be on their agenda, even with FR on the route at the moment. FRA and a return to MXP or MAD would be possibles as would taking up the GLA route. Adding an extra destination in the Canaries for the Winter and maybe somewhere like PMI in the summer might also happen.
If worst came to worst with RE does anyone have any thoughts on what might happen with the BHD route. There's money to be made on that route at least.
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Cat 2 operations
Does anyone know if cat 2 has been restored yet, i think the notam was up to 28feb, but has anyone got any info ie. are the works on taxiway alpha up to speed yet.
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If worst came to worst with RE does anyone have any thoughts on what might happen with the BHD route. There's money to be made on that route at least.