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Not sure if these have been reported on here yet but Aer Lingus
ORK-BHX is showing five weekly from Tuesday 18/8/09 and now
daily from winter 2009/10 (I am sure it was six weekly when it
was first released).
CAA stats for April on the route show 5445 pax down from 12548.
However 5445 averages out at 160 pax per flight based on 34
rotations - 92% load factor?
Obviously Baby withdrawing so late in the day Aer Lingus were
unable to react until August, what a pity.
With these figures it is no wonder they have added in the
Tuesday flight from August.
Pete
ORK-BHX is showing five weekly from Tuesday 18/8/09 and now
daily from winter 2009/10 (I am sure it was six weekly when it
was first released).
CAA stats for April on the route show 5445 pax down from 12548.
However 5445 averages out at 160 pax per flight based on 34
rotations - 92% load factor?
Obviously Baby withdrawing so late in the day Aer Lingus were
unable to react until August, what a pity.
With these figures it is no wonder they have added in the
Tuesday flight from August.
Pete
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OltonPete, baby seem to have been scared off BHX and are close to gone on the MAN run. As someone who flies ORK-MAN regularly for the past 3 years I have seen fares DRAMATICALLY fall on this route. How this will pan out over the next few months remains to be seen, but I will admit that since EI started competing with Baby I have rarely flown baby. Mainly because I prefer the Aer Lingus service, the flight times and the reliability.
I wonder if routes such as MAN and BHX might help EI and ORK through the dark times. I could see them operating ~10 weekly flights to MAN and BHX, especially if WW pull off MAN completely.
Brian.
I wonder if routes such as MAN and BHX might help EI and ORK through the dark times. I could see them operating ~10 weekly flights to MAN and BHX, especially if WW pull off MAN completely.
Brian.
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Not sure but about Knock but Aerlingus, Jet 2, Centralwings and Thompsonfly all carried out CAT 2 approaches at Cork over the years with classic 737's. It seems the terrain is an issue with WW for some reason.
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Ryanair Not Expanding at DUB, ORK or SNN
From The Irish Times 3/6/09.....
Mr Cawley called on the Government to abolish the recently-introduced €10 air travel tax, describing it as “suicidal” for the Irish tourism industry.
He said the tax and the level of airport charges imposed here meant Ryanair would not be increasing its services out of Dublin or Cork airports.
In relation to Shannon, Mr Cawley said Ryanair’s five-year deal was due to conclude at the end of April 2010. “We are going to try and secure a substantial cost reduction there,” Mr Cawley said of talks on a new deal with the Shannon Airport Authority. “If we don’t, we will have to look at our capacity there.”
Ryanair pays Shannon a charge of about €1 a passenger. When asked what figure Ryanair would like under a new deal, Mr Cawley said: “Free would be a good start. We would have great difficulty accepting anything above free at the moment.”
Mr Cawley said Ryanair handled around 1.2 million passengers at Shannon in the year to the end of April 2009 compared with 1.9 million in the previous period. In recent times, the airline has reduced the number of aircraft at Shannon from six to four.
Mr Cawley called on the Government to abolish the recently-introduced €10 air travel tax, describing it as “suicidal” for the Irish tourism industry.
He said the tax and the level of airport charges imposed here meant Ryanair would not be increasing its services out of Dublin or Cork airports.
In relation to Shannon, Mr Cawley said Ryanair’s five-year deal was due to conclude at the end of April 2010. “We are going to try and secure a substantial cost reduction there,” Mr Cawley said of talks on a new deal with the Shannon Airport Authority. “If we don’t, we will have to look at our capacity there.”
Ryanair pays Shannon a charge of about €1 a passenger. When asked what figure Ryanair would like under a new deal, Mr Cawley said: “Free would be a good start. We would have great difficulty accepting anything above free at the moment.”
Mr Cawley said Ryanair handled around 1.2 million passengers at Shannon in the year to the end of April 2009 compared with 1.9 million in the previous period. In recent times, the airline has reduced the number of aircraft at Shannon from six to four.
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It looks like there was high jinx again above at Cork last Saturday night. The story is that there was a hell of a lot of bags off loaded again from Saturday night's Onur Air flight from Cork to Bodrum. Last time the figure was seventy bags but this time the number is well in to three figures. Just imagine the problems being dealt with in getting that many bags out to Turkey as soon as possible from Cork. Hardly bears thinking about, does it! Bags will be flying all around Ireland, the UK and perhaps mainland Europe in having the bags forwarded to their rightful owners! Not to mention the cost!
Why is this becoming so much of an issue now? Onur Air have been operating in and out of Cork without problems for years so you have got to question what is going on in the two recent reports. Is it the now legendary too short runway at Cork which diverting traffic by all accounts is too afraid to touch with a barge pole unless absolutely necessary with no other alternative available, is it the performance charts being used by Onur Air and the commander quite rightly playing it totally safely taking into account what he/she has to deal with in Cork's runway limitations or are there just too many Cork Santa Ponsans bringing far too much stuff out in their heavy bags - I know the girlies tend to load too many shoes etc on sunshine holidays but this is kind of getting riduculous side, is it not?
On some other website recently I remember reading that Onur Air were using an Air Finland 757 - if this is so there might be a strong case for sending her to Cork rather than an A321?
Just imagine if you were out in Turkey for only a week's holiday and your bag did not follow you for, say, half that time!
Hmmm. That runway again? And it hardly comes cheap for the Cork consumer, does it, in terms of charges etc?
By the way the photo exhbition is in full swing upstairs near the bar entrance and at a good arm's length to the departures area so as not to interfere with the departing passengers and their relatives and friends saying goodbye to each other.
Not a photo of an aeroplane in sight, of course. There is one photo of two Emirates hostesses sitting on a yellow metal bench one girl looking the opposite way to the other girl. Might be a sign as you hear in Cork from time to time!
Guess that is the aviation contribution to the exhibition. Art my a@@!
Why is this becoming so much of an issue now? Onur Air have been operating in and out of Cork without problems for years so you have got to question what is going on in the two recent reports. Is it the now legendary too short runway at Cork which diverting traffic by all accounts is too afraid to touch with a barge pole unless absolutely necessary with no other alternative available, is it the performance charts being used by Onur Air and the commander quite rightly playing it totally safely taking into account what he/she has to deal with in Cork's runway limitations or are there just too many Cork Santa Ponsans bringing far too much stuff out in their heavy bags - I know the girlies tend to load too many shoes etc on sunshine holidays but this is kind of getting riduculous side, is it not?
On some other website recently I remember reading that Onur Air were using an Air Finland 757 - if this is so there might be a strong case for sending her to Cork rather than an A321?
Just imagine if you were out in Turkey for only a week's holiday and your bag did not follow you for, say, half that time!
Hmmm. That runway again? And it hardly comes cheap for the Cork consumer, does it, in terms of charges etc?
By the way the photo exhbition is in full swing upstairs near the bar entrance and at a good arm's length to the departures area so as not to interfere with the departing passengers and their relatives and friends saying goodbye to each other.
Not a photo of an aeroplane in sight, of course. There is one photo of two Emirates hostesses sitting on a yellow metal bench one girl looking the opposite way to the other girl. Might be a sign as you hear in Cork from time to time!
Guess that is the aviation contribution to the exhibition. Art my a@@!
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The bags in question went to Dublin with FR on Sunday evening and on to Bodrom Sunday night on another Oner flight.It was a simple mistake of the crew uplifting too much fuel caused the problem.
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Well, that is very good to hear and it will have been a relief to the pax whom were were despatched from Cork without their bags. Are the OHY A321s equipped with the longer range tanks like the frames BA have on occasion sent to Tehran?
Guess FR made a packet again on getting the bags to Dublin! That will pay for another few weeks of Cork-Dublin flights before any self loading freight pay their way. Money for jam!
Guess FR made a packet again on getting the bags to Dublin! That will pay for another few weeks of Cork-Dublin flights before any self loading freight pay their way. Money for jam!
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Well, that is very good to hear and it will have been a relief to the pax
Are the OHY A321s equipped with the longer range tanks like the frames BA have on occasion sent to Tehran?
Besides what good would extra fuel tanks have done for this situation, its too much of the stuff on board that caused this problem.
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.........the bongo drums are saying that E.I. are doing an early ORK - MAN on sat. mornings, should be a good hit with the football traffic to the N.W. of England....are the rail connections good from MAN airport rail station?
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Indeed manchester will go from
M-W-F-S
to
M-WTFSS
with the Saturday service leaving early at 9am
And note how BMIbaby have no Saturday service on the route...
Ryanair's Cork to Liverpool route will also have an early Saturday morning departure (8am) from end October as opposed to the current late evening timing.
M-W-F-S
to
M-WTFSS
with the Saturday service leaving early at 9am
And note how BMIbaby have no Saturday service on the route...
Ryanair's Cork to Liverpool route will also have an early Saturday morning departure (8am) from end October as opposed to the current late evening timing.
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So where did they get the capacity from? And other routes cut back?
I can't help but think Aer Lingus could tweak their timetable a bit in Cork.The early morning departures on a Monday morning are Heathrow, Amsterdam, Malaga and Faro. Given that sun-holidaymakers tend to not care about the time of their flights, while Monday morning is a peak departure for business travellers, I'd have thought having Birmingham, Manchester or even Munich, Rome or Berlin would make better early departures.
I can't help but think Aer Lingus could tweak their timetable a bit in Cork.The early morning departures on a Monday morning are Heathrow, Amsterdam, Malaga and Faro. Given that sun-holidaymakers tend to not care about the time of their flights, while Monday morning is a peak departure for business travellers, I'd have thought having Birmingham, Manchester or even Munich, Rome or Berlin would make better early departures.
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There are direct routes from Manchester airport to a host of cities across the north of England,
Manchester itself is connected as are the likes of Leeds, York, Blackpool, Liverpool, Newcastle all of those would be direct from the airport, for the likes of Sunderland you would have to change at Manchester Picadilly.
I think the Saturday morning service should be quite popular and this might help the Sunday afternoon services to Cork as well. I've been traveling the route with EI on pretty much a monthly basis since they began it, I've noticed it getting an awful lot busier lately, when it started I would have a row of 3 to myself, sometimes 6 seats, or averaging less than 100 sets sold. Over the past 12 months it has gotten to the point where most of the aircraft is full, At least 150 passengers - which is the norm across the week according to the crews I've chatted to. Lately it's gotten to the stage where even the emergency exit rows are assigned - this was never the case previously.
It's good to see EI seeing some growth from somewhere....
Manchester itself is connected as are the likes of Leeds, York, Blackpool, Liverpool, Newcastle all of those would be direct from the airport, for the likes of Sunderland you would have to change at Manchester Picadilly.
I think the Saturday morning service should be quite popular and this might help the Sunday afternoon services to Cork as well. I've been traveling the route with EI on pretty much a monthly basis since they began it, I've noticed it getting an awful lot busier lately, when it started I would have a row of 3 to myself, sometimes 6 seats, or averaging less than 100 sets sold. Over the past 12 months it has gotten to the point where most of the aircraft is full, At least 150 passengers - which is the norm across the week according to the crews I've chatted to. Lately it's gotten to the stage where even the emergency exit rows are assigned - this was never the case previously.
It's good to see EI seeing some growth from somewhere....
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Just returned from first trip through Cork Airport and I was impressed by it.
All the services and facilities are excellent and what a great view from the first floor areas.
Thanks also for the advice on transfers guys, the Skylink service is good value and manned by friendly and helpful drivers.
Top destination and nice people.
P.s Cant say the same for Liverpool airport ( long overdue for a complete re-furb)
All the services and facilities are excellent and what a great view from the first floor areas.
Thanks also for the advice on transfers guys, the Skylink service is good value and manned by friendly and helpful drivers.
Top destination and nice people.
P.s Cant say the same for Liverpool airport ( long overdue for a complete re-furb)
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Nice to read that you enjoyed your trip to Cork! Looks like you had the good weather to cope with which will always make Cork feel like a better place. Mind you, the place is not bad now - you should have seen what it was like 30 years ago! When Cork had nothing to show for herself except poverty, drunkeness and a huge lack of self confidence those curs up in Shannon still had their huge airport with their long runway with acres & acres of free space and added to that a second govenment backed company out their promoting the place with Cork taxpayers money including the blood and sweat of my dear late father and mother but I degress, I am allowing those bitter terrible memories overcome me again.
What were the loads like on your flights to and from Liverpool?
What were the loads like on your flights to and from Liverpool?
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Well, they should definitely close Shannon, that is for sure, and plant a few more holiday villas for the Leinster House oligarchs, the ones, you know, that padded out Shannon with so much largesse for so long down the decades.
No wonder the nation is broke.
No wonder the nation is broke.
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I would say the loads were approx 80% going out and about 70% coming back so not bad at all.
Combine that with new 738's both ways and early flights so spot-on.
Judging by how busy the shops were it looks like the economy is coping
Combine that with new 738's both ways and early flights so spot-on.
Judging by how busy the shops were it looks like the economy is coping