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I'm gutted Aer Lingus are shutting Ork-ALC for the winter, not even one flight a week.
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Aisle2c->The reason for the prices going up so close to the date is because leisure users rarely book a flight that's leaving in a few days time, while business users do it quite frequently. And as business users will usually pay a higher price, it's extracting the most money from them. Of course, it's dubious how many business users will use ORK-ALC, but that's the reason they go up.
As regards the politics. Fianna Fail had three vulnerable seats in the Cork region (SC, SW and NW). They lost two of them on a day that their vote held up nationally. Also the seat in North Central, which was safe has moved into the vulnerable list. The airport debt was a factor in their performance in the Cork region.
As regards the politics. Fianna Fail had three vulnerable seats in the Cork region (SC, SW and NW). They lost two of them on a day that their vote held up nationally. Also the seat in North Central, which was safe has moved into the vulnerable list. The airport debt was a factor in their performance in the Cork region.
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Ryan2000, I know it was badly supported, but what I was saying was that Aer Lingus managed that route badly.
FF were never likely to hold onto that 3rd seat, taken last time when the national boat was at its highest.
Considering how quiet they were during the election, what you say about the unions and airport staff has a ring of truth.
FF were never likely to hold onto that 3rd seat, taken last time when the national boat was at its highest.
Considering how quiet they were during the election, what you say about the unions and airport staff has a ring of truth.
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MUFC_fan, that's a very intriguing post ! I'll keep an eye on FR. My preference was always to travel Aer Lingus first but their race to the bottom has changed my views somewhat.
We used to do all the connections in the past (back in the days of £350 return flights with Stein Travel), but there is nothing better than a direct flight, especially with a small child.
We used to do all the connections in the past (back in the days of £350 return flights with Stein Travel), but there is nothing better than a direct flight, especially with a small child.
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840, that's the thing, ORK-ALC can't be much of a business destination yet their pricing didn't reflect that. When you are hitting €250 return in January, a couple of days before a flight, and you've only sold 33% of the seats, then there is something funadmentally wrong with your pricing structure.
I'd like to think the airport issue was a contributing factor (I went on the radio myself drawing attention to it !), but I have my doubts because FG/Lab etc didn't make it a campaign issue. They really backed off it.
I was told by one of the FG candidates (now a TD), that they couldn't make promises that they would clear the debt (as much as they would like to) because they didn't know what contracts/deals the Fianna Fail controlled DAA had signed with the FF government. They were afraid that if they made such a promise and got into power, they might find everything tied up to the extent that there was no way out of it. In retrospect, that was a mistake, especially considering Gantly, Murphy and Glucksman are all Michael Martin connected.
I'd like to think the airport issue was a contributing factor (I went on the radio myself drawing attention to it !), but I have my doubts because FG/Lab etc didn't make it a campaign issue. They really backed off it.
I was told by one of the FG candidates (now a TD), that they couldn't make promises that they would clear the debt (as much as they would like to) because they didn't know what contracts/deals the Fianna Fail controlled DAA had signed with the FF government. They were afraid that if they made such a promise and got into power, they might find everything tied up to the extent that there was no way out of it. In retrospect, that was a mistake, especially considering Gantly, Murphy and Glucksman are all Michael Martin connected.
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Some straight talking you have there, Aisle2c. Welcome to PPRuNe! Were yez all listening to the Joe Duffy Show today about the other place? They'd teach you a thing or two! If Cork had some of those boyos onside there would be not one but two daily JFKs from Cork!
What a laugh! Ha, ha!
What a laugh! Ha, ha!
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There speaketh the truth, Tom ! Cork has been dragged down by a constant string of gutless politicians (from ALL parties), over the years, but the present lot must take first prize. If only we had a few of those Mid West boys, it would indeed shake things up down here.
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Com'ere I was up in that new (?) Cork International Airport Hotel tonight. Very fancy indeed! Aircraft fuselage in the restaurant, Lufthansa aircraft seating in the lobby, Dyson slice handdryers in the loos, and that's just a taster of what there is!
Surprised by the total lack of marketing / promotion though. Or at least I'm unaware of any...
Surprised by the total lack of marketing / promotion though. Or at least I'm unaware of any...
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Charlie, the hotel had a soft opening a few weeks ago. A pretty impressive spot...seems like they let the interior designer off the leash and let him do whatever he liked! I must say that I like it...does not feel like an airport hotel at all in that it is very very distinctive and unlike most drab hotel interiors. But the aviation theme is worked in well and kudos for the effort. Hope the place does well, and I think it will.
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I guess in these times of so few developments any rumour is good...
I hear that there may be a service to Norwich in the offing. No real details. At this point, I'd assume it wouldn't be til summer 2008, because it would be an odd route to launch in winter. Couldn't even get word on the airline, but presumably Aer Arann or Flybe would have to be the possibles.
I hear that there may be a service to Norwich in the offing. No real details. At this point, I'd assume it wouldn't be til summer 2008, because it would be an odd route to launch in winter. Couldn't even get word on the airline, but presumably Aer Arann or Flybe would have to be the possibles.
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Looks like EI may be overnighting only three planes at ORK next summer: The first LHR flight arrives at ORK at 0800 and departs 0845 for LHR.
The last ORK flight arirves at LHR 2245.
Is this a cost base issue?
The CAA should use the SNN/LHR controversy to their advantage. It is open to them to argue that a debt free ORK is more likely to retain the present selection of routes (including ORK/LHR) than if it is forced to increase charges to pay for the debt and thus embroiling the government in further controversy should, for example, EI decide to pull out of ORK/LHR.
The last ORK flight arirves at LHR 2245.
Is this a cost base issue?
The CAA should use the SNN/LHR controversy to their advantage. It is open to them to argue that a debt free ORK is more likely to retain the present selection of routes (including ORK/LHR) than if it is forced to increase charges to pay for the debt and thus embroiling the government in further controversy should, for example, EI decide to pull out of ORK/LHR.
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Looks like EI may be overnighting only three planes at ORK next summer: The first LHR flight arrives at ORK at 0800 and departs 0845 for LHR.
The last ORK flight arirves at LHR 2245.
Is this a cost base issue?
The last ORK flight arirves at LHR 2245.
Is this a cost base issue?
Great news that Cork-LHR will again be 5 daily for next summer. The fifth rotation hadn't been in the schedules until the last few days.
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It got a mention in the Aer Lingus thread. It's primarily a Heathrow slots issue. There's a general rejigging going on where Cork is getting Shannon's and Belfast is getting Cork's. That in turn is to get a competitive advantage over BD in Belfast.
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some early T/As ex LHR will not be manageable with a 3 hour T1-T4 transfer window. At present it's possible to make BA98 (dep 1155) with the 0730 departure from ORK. With an 0845 dep time that and some other connections will be impossible.
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some early T/As ex LHR will not be manageable with a 3 hour T1-T4 transfer window. At present it's possible to make BA98 (dep 1155) with the 0730 departure from ORK. With an 0845 dep time that and some other connections will be impossible.
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In the drama of recent days the earlier post that FlyBe might consider a Norwich - Cork service has been in the shadows. Any opinions on the idea? Think a Thurs, Fri, Sun should be okay at least in summer time with some leisure traffic in both directions.
As for next summer's EI710 departing at 0845 hours - apart from late morning thin long haul flights from Heathrow with maybe just the one flight a day I think other connections should, generally speaking, be okay as most other flights ex LHR have a choice of departures.
Not that there is anything wrong with some extra connections being made at AMS!
As for next summer's EI710 departing at 0845 hours - apart from late morning thin long haul flights from Heathrow with maybe just the one flight a day I think other connections should, generally speaking, be okay as most other flights ex LHR have a choice of departures.
Not that there is anything wrong with some extra connections being made at AMS!
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Re transfer times, presently anyone coming from Asia tends to arrive in on the first flights into LHR, landing around 5am to 6am. In my case, I have plenty of time to make the 09:55 connection. But with the new schedule, I guess the first flight to ORK will be a bit too early. Not that I am complaining mind you.
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EI will move to Terminal 3 with the {B]one[/B]world group, some BA ops and VS.
BD and the StarAlliance will be at T1/T2
SkyTeam and "other" carriers will be located at T4.
at least this is the plan. How soon it will happen, I dont know.
I think the new timings are OK. Perhaps not as ideal as the old schedule, but the flights are still well balanced throughout the day. Its a pity the last flight into ORK is not a few hours later though, as this flight (EI 725) is always very popular. Overall, however, I think yields might be slightly improved.
btw, will the flights still be crewed by ORK cabin crews? As I understand it all crews are trained on 320&321, and crews operate ORK-LHR-ORK-LHR and overnignt, so I guess there is no real reason why these flights would be crewed by DUB/SNN crews, unless they base a fifth a/c at ORK from next June.
Brian.
BD and the StarAlliance will be at T1/T2
SkyTeam and "other" carriers will be located at T4.
at least this is the plan. How soon it will happen, I dont know.
I think the new timings are OK. Perhaps not as ideal as the old schedule, but the flights are still well balanced throughout the day. Its a pity the last flight into ORK is not a few hours later though, as this flight (EI 725) is always very popular. Overall, however, I think yields might be slightly improved.
btw, will the flights still be crewed by ORK cabin crews? As I understand it all crews are trained on 320&321, and crews operate ORK-LHR-ORK-LHR and overnignt, so I guess there is no real reason why these flights would be crewed by DUB/SNN crews, unless they base a fifth a/c at ORK from next June.
Brian.