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Old 5th May 2019, 22:29
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@2unlimited: Its rather funny that what you experienced in South America and Mexico is the effect of lack of freedom. Its that what creates all the cartels, drug trade, mafia all this is created by the state.... where is the alcohol mafia and alcohol trade of the 20s in US? You know the state discovered that by making alcohol legal again they got rid of all the stuff you are talking about..... Now I am the last person to care about drugs..... but still I care about other peoples freedom like I hope they care about mine the day when the likes of MDG try to ban flying for example.

As for children living in a society where drugs are legally accessible.... you know they do live in such a society with alcohol and tobacco fully legal. And actually your children can get drugs from a dealer at their school.... a dealer who would never be there and never exist if they were sold at a shop for people over 18 years old. Plus if your children bought it you would know it and could react, as opposed to them buying it from the dealer. Have you seen an alcohol dealer at schools or other places where children go ? No ? Maybe because the state found out this was a very bad idea to give away the trade to mafia and dealers.....

OMG this is the funniest argument from the left side that you actually used: "Unfortunately the masses are not that smart, and they can't be left to make to big decisions for their own lives" its the spot on point. So you believe the masses are too little smart to govern their own life, BUT you believe they are smart enough to vote for politicians and govern the life of individuals and decide about their life? And as for feeling entitled its the socialists and politicians who feel entitled to my life and other peoples life, they actually feel entitled to ruling the world... and believe individual people owe them their life. Clearly if I ever have children I will wish they can live in a free world with freedom of speech and freedom of living as they see fit not as the politicians elected by the "not that smart masses" see fit.

How can it be wrong if people are free to do with their life whatever they want to so long as they do not harm others or their property?
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@2unlimited: So how is that compared to alcohol that is legal and available ? It was much worse in the US in 20s with all the cartels, dealers and alcohol mafia and people who wanted to drink still drank whatever they could get just used even more money that went straight to the mafia. You miss the point, the suffering in South America is what is happening BECAUSE of the laws that equal to the US law in the 20s about alcohol. The alcohol drinkers did not disappear in the US because it was illegal to drink.... so the drug users will not disappear when its illegal to use them. And the suffering will go on forever with all the mafia and cartels who actually say the same thing that you do because legalizing would destroy the mafia like it did with alcohol mafia in US.

So imagine that alcohol is legal everywhere but neither my mother or anyone I know keep putting in themselves a dose of alcohol that make them black out or lie on the ground and barf. SO why do you believe that if drugs were legal those people would start doing them. Would you seriously put a dose heroine in your body just because it was legal? I would not do it even if I got paid a lot of money to do it..... seriously people got their minds. And those who wish to use drugs will do so even if it is illegal and they will fuel the mafia and all the suffering you saw to an infinity.

Oh and as for the children if you raise your children in a way that they would use drugs if they were legal..... well then you will have no clue if they do not use them illegally. Its actually about knowing what is dangerous and what is not dangerous. Just like with alcohol you should know how much you can drink and that a vodka bottle is not the same as a beer bottle. And people should also know that if they do drugs even if they are legal they will never get many jobs because companies will not accept drug users at least those who use the most hardcore drugs like heroine or use other drugs all the time (just as no one will employ an alcoholic to do a job that require responsibility..... oh maybe except electing one for president (like Jelcyn in Russia) but that is just the beauty of mob rule through politicians instead of a constitution and rule by law.

As for liberties the limits are pretty clear: You can do whatever you wish as long as you do not harm other people or their property. It means you are free to live your life as you wish but you cannot force anyone else to live like you wish if they are not willing. And it will be a perfect lawful society with police, courts and jails. Just people will be jailed for doing someone or someones property harm as simple as that, and not for doing stuff that do not harm anyone or preventively. It would be an absolute rule of law having a constitution with certain rights that no politician could just mix with like he see fit.....

Like 40 years ago people were outraged about things that today are completely legal even in Norway (where people were outraged about color TV when it came actually) so in the future I believe there will be more freedom except for places where green socialists, pure socialists, national socialists or communists grab the power. Because I believe you will not deny that for example Rødt and SV are socialists or that MDG are green socialists or that for example Golden Dawn in Greece are national socialists ?

I will hope instead that we can reduce what politicians can decide and govern to the absolute necessary minimum.

PS. Why do you delete your previous posts? It makes it impossible for anyone reading to understand the discussion.....
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@2unlimited: You are writing about consequences of abuse of alcohol, drugs (some are more, a lot are less addictive but its not the point).... you name it. So the point is that all of this is happening even as the stuff is illegal just its totally out of control and gives money only to mafia and cartels while making all the stuff that happen in South America possible. Just like the stuff that happened in US in the 20s and still all the alcohol problems maybe went even worse because the addicts became criminals. And a criminal who is already a criminal might feel its no problem to commit more crime since he already is a criminal so... nothing to lose for the criminal.

Of course the cartels will not give away their billions in profits so they will pay money to fire up politicians to say what you are saying and try to avoid discussing the reality that it does not work to make stuff illegal because the people who want to do it will still do it. But if a state decide to legalize everything then cartels are done just like alcohol mafia in the US there is nothing they can do they are finished. As for destroyed lives I have of course seen them in Poland but actually alcoholics I have seen got more destroyed lives than some "drug" smokers I have met but it is not the point.

The point is: You are mixing up stuff people do that is criminal with the use of different substances. The point is that because some people become criminals why shall extreme amounts of non criminals suffer in South America, cartels blossom and other people get their freedom infringed (not that I care about that freedom, but who will say freedom is being infringed when the likes of MDG forbid flying for example? If we allow everything we do not like to be forbidden). Its much better to put those criminals in jail who do all the other stuff you wrote about and in jail they can not drink or use/smoke drugs so they will get sober. But because some people can not cope with being free why should everyone have their freedoms taken away. Its like they did in US and made alcohol illegal because some people could not drink.... certainly it did not work. As I said in an extreme case it would be like if we all were to be castrated because some men are rapists.... certainly if everyone got castrated there would be no rapists but its like punishing all the people for the deeds of some few. And in case of drugs or alcohol its fueling mafias and cartels and criminals.

Oh and for the new drugs.... who would design them? If everything was legal why would criminals design anything if they would not earn money from it. See case solved no more new drugs since there would be no point in creating them (trying to avoid the law).

You misunderstand the concept of freedom, the freedom means you are not to be punished for actions of other people. Its just as simple that if your neighbor have a dog and teach it to be aggressive then why should your dog be shot because its of the same race as the neighbors dog? Not much better to put neighbor in jail for what he commanded his dog to do than punish everyone else. The same goes for guns, why shall everyone get his rights infringed because some few peoples actions. And the worst criminals will have guns either way like Breivik did in Norway or like those who shot at people in France etc.

And as you see all the stuff you write about is happening right now so the regulations help only the mafia. And I do not know why you believe that suddenly people who are intelligent today would go completely crazy and start doing drugs because they were legalized. Its all about educating people and if things are legal then children will not be able to buy it like from a dealer who do not care how old the buyer is. And those who wish to do drugs will do them either way but like it is now the regulations are only helping the criminals and making a hell in South America.

You will see in the future I already see politicians all over the world who do not get paid by lobbyists from cartels realize that the war on drugs can not be won just like the war on alcohol.... so legalizing will be the lesser evil and destroy all the cartels. More and more politicians understand that its only the mafia who benefit and maybe there would be even less drug abusers if it was legalized..... because children below 18 years old would not be able to start doing drugs (plus a LOT harder punishment for people who buy alcohol or other things to minors, the punishment today is laughable).

As for flying I will have to see how it is myself with those 900 hours before I can tell you for sure. But as I have seen for example Ryan Air roster with 5 on, 4 off + holidays I do believe it gives more days off per year than a normal job.
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@2unlimited: As for Escobar you know he was kind of wannabe politician and had support of people (helping him hide from the government) who were tricked by him to believe he wanted something good for them so he told them a lot of bull.... like all politicians do, but in reality he would be out of business if politicians legalized worldwide. Because no drug abuser would buy from a cartel for an extreme price if the stuff was legal at the shop.

As for jails its enough with value added tax to finance jails like in Poland and it will not be more people than today..... since today you also have to put drug addicts there in addition to criminal drug addicts so actually there would be less people in jail.

I do not have any dog currently, but its totally not knowing anything about dogs to say a whole race is bred for aggression.... its how the owner teach his dog. And as for what happens when a dog kills an innocent child? Obviously in Norway they ban a lot of other dogs and let the kind that killed the child (husky) be still legal. It makes perfect sense they call it in Norway "take baker instead of the blacksmith"..... IF I will have a dog it will not be one of those "aggressive" as you call them, I like wolfdogs one of the reasons is they look like a wolf, the exact reason Norway as only nation in the world banned them.... not for being aggressive just for the looks (they also banned amstaff because it looks similar to one of the dangerous ones). The point is its amazing to ban dog breeds that did not participate in the accident (there were like extremely few of every banned species in Norway and they were not involved in any biting) that killed a child and started dog breed banning, while not caring to ban the one that actually did.

Regarding smoke there should be some research about how far from others smokers got to be in public space and it should be a law that they have to be so far from non smokers outside to not harm them. As for restaurants or businesses its simple the owner makes the rules and put them outside the building. You do not like the rules you do not use this business (I believe almost all would be non smoker with some few wishing to get only smoker customers). As for parents you know its their children, children are NOT owned by the government but certainly they should be protected from smoke but definitely not in the way Norway does where the state grabs children from parents sometimes for no reason. And the state do not even give them to family but to total strangers its like if the state believed it owned the children, recently there were a child with parents who both were not yet 18 and the grandparents of the child wished to be responsible for it.... but the state just took it and gave away to total strangers for no reason and there will be a case in court. Of course there should be an institution that takes care of children if they are endangered by their parents..... but taking children because the state believes that maybe in the future something can happen or maybe not but they take them just in case.... well there are Norwegian refugees in Poland with their children actually.

What actually "takes the cake" is the Norwegian state taking children who are not Norwegian and giving them away to total strangers while their home nation wish them back and they are nationals of that nation. If the Norwegian state wish children so much why do they not take their own ones but burden Syria and kurds with their children..... or do the state only wish well educated and up brought children from Eastern European parents? I am not surprised whole Eastern Europe even the politicians compare it to the national socialist practice that the state only wish "good children" but they do not want to take their own because there can be problems...... so they leave Syria and the kurds with the task of paying for it. So I would be very careful about allowing the state anywhere nearer the children at home because they can use smoking as a reason to just grab the children even if they are not exposed to smoke.

As for children under 18 getting alcohol.... of course it happens because there is no punishment or a laughable fine for someone over 18 buying alcohol for children. In my opinion buying any alcohol or drugs for children should be punished just as dealing drugs to them is being punished with severe jail sentences. And still there are no alcohol dealers at schools, so there would also be no drug dealers with the proper penal system all the time when the things were legalized for adults. No mafia would care to have child customers with little money knowing that when they become 18 they will no longer buy from them..... there would be no mafia at all because it would not be profitable to produce illegal drugs at all if the drug abusers could buy them at a shop.
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HTF did KT1988 get on a continuous loop?
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@Deejaypee: My answers are here to what 2unlimited write but he keeps deleting his posts (or maybe there is some bug with the forum) so my answers remain while his posts are gone.
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Ah, I understand👍.
I wouldn’t bother with him/her if they won’t leave there posts for all to see!
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Hey KT1988 and 2unlimited, how about opening a separate, locked thread with access only for the two of you and let the admin delete all the crap both of you are keep on jabbing about, huh?
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@booze: This thread is a separate thread and have been made so people could "jab" about both aviation related and off topic stuff somehow related to aviation like for example laws in different nations where pilots can live. Definitely the thread is not as good as it could be if 2unlimited skipped deleting his comments. But why do read all the stuff in this thread made especially for that kind of discussion if you are not interested, its kind off pointless is it not?

@2unlimited: The point is the drug cartels will all be out of business in the free market with all stuff legal.... because then they will have to function like normal companies and that would make them not get rich quickly without having to work. Because legal companies would produce the stuff just like they produce cigarettes or alcohol and drug cartels would be out of the picture since criminals want to get money quick and with little working effort.

As for all the other stuff you write about once again I tell you all of this is happening as we speak...... so why do you think legalizing everything would make people totally go mad and start doing drugs just because its legal? Do you drink alcohol all the time because its legal? Did more people become alcoholics after US abandoned the alcohol ban from the 1920s? So why not let the stuff be controlled like everything else instead of letting the mafia run it and putting even more people in jail than required ?

As for smokers and alcohol users I think its ok to make them have a mandatory extra insurance instead of a tax on the products. The insurance would pay for private health care dedicated to alcohol and tobacco related problems so the rest of the hospitals could skip the problem. As for unlawful stuff people who drink do.... well it should be treated as any other unlawful stuff done by sober people. No difference there.
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@2unlimited: You did not understand me, the mandatory insurance would be baked in the price of tobacco, alcohol or legalized drugs (instead of going straight to cartel pockets). Like the tax on alcohol and tobacco today just it would go straight to health care for people abusing the stuff and not other things through and insurance system. So everyone using the stuff would be insured and the cartels would not produce cheaper stuff because they would lose all their profit and risk the same jail and prosecution.

So its not ethically and morally wrong to let cartels produce the stuff get the profit and destroy a lot of peoples lives all around the world why doing so..... what an interesting view the cartels surely agree all the way. As for adverts why not put some mandatory like on the tobacco about what bad the drug will do and what jobs people will miss if they use them?

Oh and no of course the cartels will not sit by and watch they keep pumping politicians with money to tell its morally and ethically wrong to take the profit away from the cartels and use it instead to fight the drug abuse and health care for the abusers.... its what they are doing and its working looking on what you are writing but happily many people and politicians are starting to see through it. And when its finally legalized what will they do...... well the same as alcohol cartels in US after legalization they will fall apart and they will be done. It was the mafia who were the hardest opponents of lifting alcohol ban in the US......
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@2unlimited: They are actually in Switzerland and even in Norway they wanted to support addicts with hard drugs for free to stop the cartels and almost did it (its of course absolutely morally, ethically and financially wrong to give drugs for free, but legalizing that is not wrong).... and if they legalize some drugs (in the US they already started and Canada followed and soon many more nations) then soon enough they will legalize the rest, the cartels will of course resist. And how could the cartels be happy to have it legal seriously? They would loose all the profit they could not sell anything they produce because it would have to meet standards like tobacco and alcohol and they would have to fix the baked in tax, they would have to have employees..... the cartels would be done. Criminals do not wish to be companies. Just check the places that legalized so called mild drugs.... there are serious companies producing the stuff like in Colorado while the cartels lost their market and they are very angrily trying to push the illegal drugs to make up for the profit they lost forever.

And if some nations let the cartels still produce the drugs then drugs from there would be import banned.... and it would not profit the cartels to import illegal drugs if addicts could buy legal drugs for the same price. And to sell them cheaper would make the smuggling unprofitable and either way the cartels would be totally done. Just like alcohol cartels were totally done when US lifted the ban.

Did alcohol mafias become distilleries and cartel producers of alcohol after US lifted the ban? No? Then why on earth do you believe the cartels would start being lawful companies producing drugs, they would loose every production line since everything they did would not meet the professional standards. As for people still committing crimes well then nothing will change other than those who do not commit crimes will get professional help paid by their baked in tax in the price of the drug instead for the money going into cartels pockets and crime bosses.

I want a world of free people having equal chances (not equal results like the socialists wish).... the corporatism that currently is present most places around the world is what creates monopolies and oligarchs. Free market capitalism is about competition and a free market is not one where government cooperate with corporations to destroy the competition or help the corporations survive crisis with tax money taken from the small and middle companies.

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@2unlimited: Of course freedom vs government control is a capitalism vs socialism issue. Socialism no matter what ideology color (red, green, brown) struggle to control your life according to how the government feel about it, it does not even have to be rooted in reality (like banning rare dogs in Norway that the government thought might be dangerous after a totally different dog killed a child and its race was not banned, not just that 2 dog races were not considered dangerous but they got banned because of their looks.... yes how something looks is enough for the government to decide (socialists are so close to each other no matter the color of their socialism) ).

In a capitalism there is nothing like a crime without a victim. If no person, no persons property, and not the states property is harmed then there is no crime, because how can there be a crime if nothing is harmed and no one suffer any loss ? Its one of the basic fundamentals of the capitalist ideology that makes people free. Really free not just free to do what pleases the government. And of course every government taking away your freedoms will say some nice words about security, the point is that in a fair world only those breaking the laws and harming someone or something go to jail for a real sentence. Because anything else is as I said: Castrating us all because some men are rapists. Its the simplest logical explanation of how a government can take away the freedom of 400 million people because some 1000s do not manage to behave (why are there gun crimes in Mexico and South Africa per capita than in the US when guns are illegal? ). Actually the 2nd amendment in US constitution was made so no politician could take away the freedom from the people, US was created by its founding fathers with the goal to be free unlike Europe.

Regarding flying: Why not let everyone do as they please instead of forcing everyone on one kind of deal and one kind amount of flying. Someone got family and a lot of other stuff to do in life then let them do it, while others want to fly so also let them fly but do not whine afterwards that those who keep flying get better financial results.

As for situation in Ryan Air in Poland what you write is that cabin crew is unhappy that I can understand because they earn to little to benefit from the tax system of self employed. But I have still not seen Polish national pilots protest Ryan Air deal. No one want to lose their salary to tax in exchange for nothing from the state. As for labor directorate they can do what they want until the government change the law for ALL professions nothing will change. And the government will not change the law since it already discarded any change. The only whining people I have seen are those not living in Poland but for example UK.... probably hard to live with it that a Ryan Air captain in Poland will get more netto salary after tax than one working for Ryan Air with for example German tax and base.
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@2unlimited: Yes its clearly "One Poland-based pilot" not a word if it was Polish national wishing to stay forever or if it was someone there for a brief moment and unhappy while getting his airline experience. I have not met pilots in Poland who wished to have less netto salary in exchange for Polish employee contract..... As for Poland everyone from doctors working for single clinic to plumbers working for single plumbing company can be self employed so why should pilots be discriminated? The contract is about netto salary as for me, not about all the other stuff that is so important for you. So different people different view on what is the most important term (apart from the fact flying is the best possible job in the world).

As for freedom as I said its freedom from the state to do as you wish with what you own, if you have a private property and own the air above it lets say 100 meters you can fly your drone there freely and without any security check. If you go to an airport then you say yes to terms and conditions of the operator. And the operator require a security check simple as that. No one is forcing you to buy the ticket and fly with those terms and conditions. Its not the state that give away tickets for your tax money so you can feel discriminated about the security check.

Do you not understand the difference between state and private? Private companies can make their own rules for you if you wish to use their product its your freedom if you want it or if you do not.........
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@2unlimited: It is because the aircraft are flying international, for example if you fly from EPBC to for example a grass runway in Poland with a Cessna there is no security check. And of course states can have rules for public airspace that companies need to accept in order to fly in that airspace. Either way I do not believe any company would like the risk of not having a security check at all.

I said a plumber can work for a plumber company one company not owned by the plumber. And a doctor can work for a single clinic and still be self employed. And at least in LOT you can work for LOT and the next day be instructor for a flight school. Maybe Ryan Air does not allow it in their self employed contract I do not know. But LOT certainly does.

And no the are ones like you who try to destroy proper terms and conditions for the pilots in Eastern Europe. Because proper terms for most are highest possible netto salary. You do not understand if the company increase my salary as an employee it means I will pay even more tax, if they do it as self employed I will get much more of the increase netto to my pocket. The company is not my opponent, I wish to cooperate with the company for mutual benefit. My opponent is the government restricting freedom and imposing mandatory taxes and I do not wish to give those politicians 1 cent more than they need to get by law. As for Emirates for me they are perfect all the way except living in Dubai and if you ask Polish pilots most will tell you the same. It would be golden to have Polish "Emirates" with base in Poland.

I do not want to be "freeloader" I want to have a deal with the company that employ me and pay me for my service. I have no deal with any union or whoever you are member of, and when you tell me that people like me are unwanted in aviation. I say that happily its not up to you but up to the companies hiring. Maybe they believe the opposite way around about who is unwanted for them.

As for the offer.... in one sentence you say 900 hours are too much, then you say why do they only offer 30 hours per month..... Its a secure pay like in LOT which means you can do 0 hours and still get paid for 30 hours it does not mean you will not get more hours to fly that you will be paid for. As for schedule its quite natural they modify it there will always be delays and changes in aviation I have not seen an airport where everything were on schedule. As for being absent or late....... imagine an aircraft full of passengers waiting for the pilot....some hours cause he is late.... should they just do tell the passengers "Ladies and gentlemen, our pilot was late today so we hope its no problem for you that you will be 3 hours delayed, just think how nice our T&C are so the pilot do not have to care whatsoever that you will be delayed".

I can see it from the other side also as a business owner, and not being able to do anything if an employee is late or absent for no valid reason that must be the absolute nightmare of every employer not to mention an airline that can lose a lot if a plane does not fly that day.

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@2unlimited: No there are security checks on domestic flights from international airports and there are also security checks if you fly a Cessna domestic to an international airport like for example EPGD or EPMO. But if you fly a Cessna or even something bigger even with passengers from EPBC to some other non controlled airport in Poland the only security will be what you or your AOC holder decide upon. As for companies operating from international airports they get the rules from CAA/EASA but do you really think companies would not care to perform security checks? Their insurance company would for sure make it mandatory for the insurance.

As for flying Cessna domestically in public airspace (its the state airspace) who else would make the rules if its not private airspace?

My dream model is a company owned by pilots who fly in the company but when no such company exist due to government regulations making it almost impossible then we have the companies we have. And no company is a dictatorship..... and comparing it to Stalin is like showing no respect to millions of victims. You know Stalin was mandatory.... working for a company is up to your choice you take it or leave it. So the victims of communism/socialism/national socialism had no option like "I resign" THAT is the big difference the government and politicians are mandatory. The company is your free choice. And if you become captain with experience.... well in the current market if being fired or having to resign is what you fear most.... then it does not say much good. Because as experienced captain a pilot will be like called almost everywhere where they hire DEC and a skilled pilot will pass at least one of the assessments.

Humans are not machines but seriously not showing up for no reason or being 3 hours delayed may cost more than the company pay you in salary. So without a proper medical reason the company should really not have to say to the passengers "We are sorry but the pilot is late, we hope you do not mind being delayed for some hours, we hope you support our superb T&C for the pilots. Meanwhile please stop asking are we gonna fly soon please".
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@2unlimited: I am replying to your question if the security rules are that you can not have a juice with you then you can not if its explained to you when you buy the ticket. That is how I see it. You know its not MANDATORY to fly so its your choice to accept the terms and fly or do not accept and take your car with whatever you want in the trunk and as much as you can fit inside.

As for the link you pasted its once again a steward that is cabin crew who are complaining about pension.... still no Polish pilots complaining. And I started to laugh when I read about paying 5000 PLN to ZUS to get a pension anyone who does it should get economic darwin award prize. The Polish state have already taken peoples pensions TWICE since the fall of communism. So anyone paying maximum ZUS and trusting the state will deliver pension..... they will do better to give it poor people than to politicians if they want to help someone by paying more tax than they have to.

Oh and 2340 Euro for a FO is rather nice compared to 1750 Euro you get unless you fly more than 70 hours per month at for example Nordica (if the info about salaries is true). But the point is you said we get to fly 900 hours and now you say its only 30 hours (while in reality its more per month its just the minimum) so decide what is true. Oh and if you fail to live in Poland on 2340 Euro then you are probably driving taxi all the time and eating at restaurants only plus renting a 200 m2 flat. For Polish people its unimaginable how someone can say its barely survivable.

See here: https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Ryanair_Sun it says 164,5 Euro per hour for Captains it means 900 x 164,5 Euro = 148 050 Euro IN POLAND with minimum tax. No wonder no Polish pilot will say its bad and 400 euro extra for working on your off day. It sounds like better than Emirates if the webpage is true.

Oh and if a pilot have to sit delayed all the time a polish one will take 148 050 Euro any day with 19 % deductable tax instead of a fixed much lower salary with 32 % tax. Even when not getting paid for days when fatigue its probably possible to fly some other day if the demand is so high and get the 900 hours and netto salary that cannot match anything you get from SAS or NAS in Norway EVER. Not to mention the cost of living.

A cooperative model in business is VOLUNTARY just mark the word it makes the whole difference between capitalism&freedom vs socialism where things are MANDATORY because the government said so, and no negotiations no "I resign" in socialism what government does is mandatory and you can not resign from the terms your government makes. Do you understand the difference between being forced and doing something because you choose to?

So instead of writing how no one should get to be self employed because you do not like to live in Eastern Europe..... maybe check a nice home in nice countryside and see if you can like it so you too can get 148 050 Euro yearly if you are Captain or when you become Captain instead of writing that no one should be able to be paid a salary with such a low tax because you probably do not get such a salary.
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@2unlimited: That is why I moved from Norway (happily its still legal without paying for moving out of Norway) because I did not like the terms and conditions of the country. The only difference is when you make a deal with a company you can pay a fine for breaking it even an extreme fine but the company can not put you in jail, while Norway is the sole country in the world that can put you in jail for speeding. For pilots it means end of career, that is why every pilot should know about it if they ever wish to visit Norway even as a tourist.

As for really believe, well if you do 900 hours then you get paid 148 050 Euro plus bonus for out of base or working on day off. I know 2 Ryan Air FOs very happy with the salary and I spoke with a Captain who said something about wages like that per hour but I did not ask if he get to fly 900 hours. Well if you do 800 hours you do still get 131 600 Euro per year..... 700 hours (is it close enough to the amount you like to fly per year?) is 115 150 Euro per year.... I can then accept unpaid waiting or unpaid fatigue leave if I manage to be proficient and good enough to one beautiful day become Captain (and I would be just as happy with lower salary in 787 for LOT). And paying 19 % tax with deductible car + deductible investments in other business (like aircraft for rent) etc. or non deductible fixed 9,5 % income tax.... instead of 32 %.

Its terms and conditions, I have not heard a Polish pilot say they pay bad at Ryan Air so check again maybe you find something nicer in Poland than an old flat in Warszawa, maybe a house in the country side. Then you will not write that no one deserve to pay low tax as self employed if you will benefit yourself.
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@2unlimited: If you read what I do write.... then you notice I said Emirates would be perfect if you could skip the living in Dubai thing (some pilots in Poland do not care an would like Emirates either way since you get wide-body, but as for me I would rather dream of 787 in LOT with base in Poland to fly wide-body even, with less salary). And the only reason it is not perfect is exactly Dubai. So I will not go there, I wish a base in Poland that is my home country.

As for Ryan Air I do not know how it is there but I can hardly imagine they do not pay the contract they sign. And the people who work for them that I met and know get paid their hours as it is in their contract, never heard anyone did not get paid for his block hours. And yes I heard a lot that you have to be good and follow exactly the SOP and landing when unstable on the approach can get you fired.... but its your and passengers security. You are not flying to have fun (having fun is like bi product of the job) you fly to make it as safe as possible. So being strict on SOP and safety means they are a serious company that value proficient pilots. At least in my eyes.

Well until now you were more "Bedreviter" about things than me I believe. I gave you even a link so you can see the salaries yourself. I do not claim to know anything about how it is in the airline the joy of commercial flying is still before me, but I tell you what I can read about the salaries and what I heard from people actually working there which is they pay what they sign and require the pilots to be proficient and maintain and improve their proficiency.
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@2unlimited: Well in Poland a dash cam would be no proof of anyones speed. And by the way I do totally agree that zones where there are schools and children playing around like 30 km/h streets are not the proper place to drive fast. The proper place is autobahn like that where Germans do have no speed limit. Either way 1000 euro fine is ok, he knew the terms and conditions of the road, but putting someone in jail like Norway does for speeding that is overkill. But as I said its enough that any pilot know about those terms and conditions in case he ever wish to visit Norway even as a tourist. Because most people in other nations have no idea its possible to get in jail for speeding, so its important for people in professions like pilot. Actually it should be written at the national border that speeding is punishable with jail, because 99 % people who visit Norway have no idea.

As for Ryan Air I do not know how you wish to be treated but probably the long past time is gone, in Poland too before EU pilots were like some kind of elite. Today its a fine profession but it will not be like the times before EU. Oh and if you saw how people are treated at "casual" jobs all around Eastern Europe you would not say any airline treat people bad. And self employed is "contracted staff" to perform the contracted task. You know its just a legal way to keep the state and the government out of the deal, people in Poland work like that because they do not wish pension and other government promised stuff that the government will not deliver upon + no one trust the politicians.
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@2unlimited: Its enough in Norway with 165 km/h on a road of the quality of autobahn like E6 in Østfold (and the road starts straight from the border as autobahn quality). Its like the normal speed people drive in Germany on autobahn or like in Poland where its 140 km/h on autobahn and for like 160-170 km/h its like a 20 euro fine. So people do not even imagine they can be jailed at all for speeding not to mention for such a speeding. So it should be info on the border since its the only nation in the world jailing people for speeding only (without running from the police, having an illegal street race or doing other obvious jail stuff). Since the point is well prevention of speeding and not getting tourists who do not know jailed.... so even more reason to put that info on the border that speeding will get you jailed in Norway.

And no laws shall not be made to individual requests THAT is why no one should be preventively punished because some people fail at exercising their freedom. Its the exact point that if 99 % of people do not crash even when speeding then the 1 % who do crash should be jailed and not the 99 % preventively because maybe they could have done something that could harm someone or his property but actually they did NOT. And the whole world seems to agree except Norway in case of speeding. And the same should work for everything if there is no victim neither in personal or material harm..... then there is no crime its the most basic thing in capitalist ideology. Because otherwise its not up to logic but up to the socialist politician to decide how much preventive action should be taken..... so taken to an extreme they could castrate us all because some men do rape.... and if they castrate everyone then no one will be able to rape (at least by classic definition). So I believe logic should be the basic of every law and not a politician and his "I like this so we subsidize it with tax money, but I do not like this so we forbid it". And no its not unrealistic, just look at Norway when a husky kill a child they forbid 8 different dog races..... and 2 of them on basis of how do they look like...... so it is real and no its not why Poland or anyone else joined EU to get laws made in the same way as the Soviet did.

On to the EU topic...... EU is not about workers or companies rights. Its an economic union for free flow of people and capital and its all it was ever meant to be.... only recently they started to try to make it like United States of Europe but it does not work and that is why Brexit happened and that is why politics against EU are winning everywhere from East to West. Because no one want United States of Europe, what people wanted was free flow of capital and people. And it is exactly Soviet Union standards that you are trying to force upon the East.... because not being able to make a deal without the government being involved and making the rules..... this is what soviet was about. Eastern Europe wanted freedom and capitalism and no government to make rules about contracts or deals. And no EU did not expand east to be nice and kind, but to sell mainly French and German products + be able to invest and have their companies toll free produce stuff outside of their own nations. They did not expand the EU and do not want to get Ukraine to join because they wanted to be kind and nice and give some free money away.....

People in Poland have been fighting for decades to DO NOT have the government meddle into their contracts, companies or private deals. Its why people fought for real not like "oh we go strike" but fought on the streets and risked to be killed (many got killed) to get rid of communism and be able to live in capitalism. And we did not join the EU to get forced to have socialism again. We did it so our companies could trade freely within the EU market. That the western nations wish to give away free stuff to people living there is not our problem we joined an economic union of free trade not socialist states of Europe. And we do not want to go back to the soviet standards that some people in the west desire to be the future of EU (that is why so many new political parties gain votes because people do not wish that future even in the west).

As for bribes well they happen everywhere in Poland now you have cameras in cars for driver license exam, and as for the police some take bribes instead of official fines but if they get caught they are jailed. So most do not and you can actually be extra fined if the police man feel like you are proposing a bribe. Either way I believe the nepotism system that I often saw in Norway is even worse than bribery..... because bribery is equal chance to pay for everyone.... nepotism means some people get privileges because they are in family with the officials or they are friends etc. itd. and someone who is not a friend of a friend will have no chance to get inside to get an official state job or many other things. Its just a different flavor of bribery and you wrote about it in the SAS topic even so do not deny that you do not know about nepotism in Scandinavia.... for me its even more unfair than bribery. And of course I am against bribery but if you see bribery in the East then check nepotism in the north.
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