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they're still undergoing 319 difference training. their mpl lic. is specifically for the 320 only. but they have to perform to/landings again soon to be current. they have a 3 mos. restriction for currency. (at least 3 t/o and landings)
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I detect some effort here to mask the real situation at this school(?) by repeating the "news" that 3 cadets are actually finally employed by 5J.
Good for them and the best of luck in their careers!!!
But what about the other more than one hundred candidate pilots? What about the rest of batch 1 and batches 2 and 3 whose members have been there for more than two years?
Bottom line is that the visible "management" is not doing anything to resolve the pathetic situation and CAAP is not cooperating either. As the authority, they should.
This is not good publicity for the Philippino aviation....
After all, which head is running that setup at Clark?
Good for them and the best of luck in their careers!!!
But what about the other more than one hundred candidate pilots? What about the rest of batch 1 and batches 2 and 3 whose members have been there for more than two years?
Bottom line is that the visible "management" is not doing anything to resolve the pathetic situation and CAAP is not cooperating either. As the authority, they should.
This is not good publicity for the Philippino aviation....
After all, which head is running that setup at Clark?
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It's interesting to realize how silent this thread has become.... Have the "praisers" run for cover?
This was much more interesting when MP and BH were running the show.
Has CIA began the CPL/IR/TR training courses?
This was much more interesting when MP and BH were running the show.
Has CIA began the CPL/IR/TR training courses?
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Based on your inconsistency on what you really want to address, the MPL course perse, the current problems the cadets are facing, or you're just bitter to whatever is happened/happening to you that you spill it out in this forum.
To give you a status on whats happening.
3 cadets are on their OBS on Cebupac already. Employed and earning.
7 cadets are waiting for their 12 TAGS with Cebu Pac. Their TAGS has been cancelled several times already in a span of two months because of several reasons.
About 10 more cadets are waiting for 7 cadets to finish their TAGs so that they can be absorbed by Cebu Pac.
The above-metion cadets have finished their courses with CA and is on transition with their airline sponsor. So, what has management done for them? ALOT! (unlike the previous management who doesnt know anything but to talk, just like you).
The next batches are on their Advance phases, Loft Phase, Ground school and Multicrew coordination phase, which really runs smoothly.
To summarize it, the main bottleneck is the transition between CA and Cebu Pac.. not within the CA itself.
The core flying phase has its own problems and cadets who are in that stage might have their own frustrations, but once they go to the MCC phase, it just runs smoothly.
As for non-sponsored students and foreign students. I cannot say anythign as of now until it is already concrete. There are about 8 students, 5 foreigners and 3 locals, who have finished their A320 training who are on the wait. I am sure that the management now is doing something about this and this is their main focus unlike the previous management who cant do anything on their own.
lets see what happens in the next few months especially for the nonsponsored students and foreign students.
To give you a status on whats happening.
3 cadets are on their OBS on Cebupac already. Employed and earning.
7 cadets are waiting for their 12 TAGS with Cebu Pac. Their TAGS has been cancelled several times already in a span of two months because of several reasons.
About 10 more cadets are waiting for 7 cadets to finish their TAGs so that they can be absorbed by Cebu Pac.
The above-metion cadets have finished their courses with CA and is on transition with their airline sponsor. So, what has management done for them? ALOT! (unlike the previous management who doesnt know anything but to talk, just like you).
The next batches are on their Advance phases, Loft Phase, Ground school and Multicrew coordination phase, which really runs smoothly.
To summarize it, the main bottleneck is the transition between CA and Cebu Pac.. not within the CA itself.
The core flying phase has its own problems and cadets who are in that stage might have their own frustrations, but once they go to the MCC phase, it just runs smoothly.
As for non-sponsored students and foreign students. I cannot say anythign as of now until it is already concrete. There are about 8 students, 5 foreigners and 3 locals, who have finished their A320 training who are on the wait. I am sure that the management now is doing something about this and this is their main focus unlike the previous management who cant do anything on their own.
lets see what happens in the next few months especially for the nonsponsored students and foreign students.
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Are there new batches of cadets still entering CIA each month? I understood that initially, CIA were getting 24 cadets (2 classes) each month. IS this still the case? Or has intake dropped very low?
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At last there was some reaction from someone " in charge"..... who felt touched...
But the report still shows the mess going on at CIA. Poor cadets that are still suffering from previous and present amateurs trying to make a fast buck while sitting on a gold mine.
Even the 5J sponsored cadets are heavily affected by the continuing management incompetence. The truth hurts? So be it.
Bagoongathipon said
Quote "As for non-sponsored students and foreign students. I cannot say anythign as of now until it is already concrete. There are about 8 students, 5 foreigners and 3 locals, who have finished their A320 training who are on the wait. I am sure that the management now is doing something about this and this is their main focus unlike the previous management who cant do anything on their own.
lets see what happens in the next few months especially for the nonsponsored students and foreign students." unquote.
Your text is self explanatory and a reflection of what is really going on. You say you cannot say anything as of now until it is already concrete. You are trying to pull the wool over everybody's eyes... and only talk of "something". What exactly? I challenge you to give the readers a hint.
You say 8 students finished their training and are on the wait. When did they finish their training? Waiting for what? What is management (as you call it) doing to resolve the situation?
And the cherry on top is lets see what happens in the next few months. Months? Are you joking?How dare you play with the future of those who entrusted you with their dreams and are stuck in a web of lies woven by a bunch of crooks? Time waits for nobody!!!!
Bitter? Why should I be? I took my time to read this thread since the beginning and I've followed all the different pro and against arguments written here. Therefore my knowledge about what is going on at CIA and it paints a very sad picture indeed.
In truth, I believe the visible management might be willing to do something but are powerless to make any decisions without the prior approval of those in the dark background.
The question still is: After Mark P. and Brian H. who are they?
There is no transparency in CIA.
But the report still shows the mess going on at CIA. Poor cadets that are still suffering from previous and present amateurs trying to make a fast buck while sitting on a gold mine.
Even the 5J sponsored cadets are heavily affected by the continuing management incompetence. The truth hurts? So be it.
Bagoongathipon said
Quote "As for non-sponsored students and foreign students. I cannot say anythign as of now until it is already concrete. There are about 8 students, 5 foreigners and 3 locals, who have finished their A320 training who are on the wait. I am sure that the management now is doing something about this and this is their main focus unlike the previous management who cant do anything on their own.
lets see what happens in the next few months especially for the nonsponsored students and foreign students." unquote.
Your text is self explanatory and a reflection of what is really going on. You say you cannot say anything as of now until it is already concrete. You are trying to pull the wool over everybody's eyes... and only talk of "something". What exactly? I challenge you to give the readers a hint.
You say 8 students finished their training and are on the wait. When did they finish their training? Waiting for what? What is management (as you call it) doing to resolve the situation?
And the cherry on top is lets see what happens in the next few months. Months? Are you joking?How dare you play with the future of those who entrusted you with their dreams and are stuck in a web of lies woven by a bunch of crooks? Time waits for nobody!!!!
Bitter? Why should I be? I took my time to read this thread since the beginning and I've followed all the different pro and against arguments written here. Therefore my knowledge about what is going on at CIA and it paints a very sad picture indeed.
In truth, I believe the visible management might be willing to do something but are powerless to make any decisions without the prior approval of those in the dark background.
The question still is: After Mark P. and Brian H. who are they?
There is no transparency in CIA.
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Lolo.
It is obvious that you have not been at CIA long enough. If you are really a student, how long have you been there? Did you enrol in 2007 and are still happily waiting for the completion of your one year MPL training conclusion?
Most probably you are part of the management and are only trying to smoke the issue out of existence with those "nice to hear stories". It's called BS.
Since you are so well informed and feel that all is OK, then tell the readers of this forum who is really in charge of business in CIA.
If you cannot, then good riddance and let the people that live in the real world talk about the CIA reality.
It is obvious that you have not been at CIA long enough. If you are really a student, how long have you been there? Did you enrol in 2007 and are still happily waiting for the completion of your one year MPL training conclusion?
Most probably you are part of the management and are only trying to smoke the issue out of existence with those "nice to hear stories". It's called BS.
Since you are so well informed and feel that all is OK, then tell the readers of this forum who is really in charge of business in CIA.
If you cannot, then good riddance and let the people that live in the real world talk about the CIA reality.
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Lolo.
It is evident that you don't have a clue about what is going on.... Therefore you insist in the BS stories trying to woodwink everybody else.
First, I'm not a student at Clark but rather an interested person when it comes to pilot training, and not only. So, lulabies don't interest me but I'm open to talk to people that live in the real world.
You talk as if you really know what is going on in the aviation world but.... be ready when reality hits you in the face when, eventually and if, you complete your MPL training. Where will you find employment with that licence?
The rest of your story is of no interest to anybody minimally informed about what is going on in regards employment opportunities. When you become a pilot you will understand this....
You mention the Clark Aviation website for information about who is managing that setup.... when was it updated? It still has a picture of Mark P. and the Philippines President during the inauguration... and the management list is surely not up to date and no mention of a CEO. Isn't this strange?
Besides, it includes this pearl...
" Key benefits to airline customers are;
NOTE: I don't intend to carry on exchanging words in this tone with someone so "green" in the world of the big silver birds. No time for civility training, sorry....
It is evident that you don't have a clue about what is going on.... Therefore you insist in the BS stories trying to woodwink everybody else.
First, I'm not a student at Clark but rather an interested person when it comes to pilot training, and not only. So, lulabies don't interest me but I'm open to talk to people that live in the real world.
You talk as if you really know what is going on in the aviation world but.... be ready when reality hits you in the face when, eventually and if, you complete your MPL training. Where will you find employment with that licence?
The rest of your story is of no interest to anybody minimally informed about what is going on in regards employment opportunities. When you become a pilot you will understand this....
You mention the Clark Aviation website for information about who is managing that setup.... when was it updated? It still has a picture of Mark P. and the Philippines President during the inauguration... and the management list is surely not up to date and no mention of a CEO. Isn't this strange?
Besides, it includes this pearl...
" Key benefits to airline customers are;
- Pilots trained, in a highly disciplined, multi-crew operating environment
- Superior, relevant training at no cost and no delay to airline
- Pilots ready and prepared to for active airline service in 12 months
- Guaranteed, consistent supply of fully trained pilots to meet airline’s needs in accordance with their scheduled aircraft deliveries
- Win-win solution for the pilots, airlines and aviation industry"
NOTE: I don't intend to carry on exchanging words in this tone with someone so "green" in the world of the big silver birds. No time for civility training, sorry....
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lots of action lately. snce ive been away. there's a new guy stirring things up, but honestly, he's asking fully loaded questions! it's getting hot in here.
betpump5,
i'm not sure what happened to you. r u the same one posting stuff here before? you were out for a while and most of the early posts you did are now missing. if you're the same guy, glad you're back mate!
traveller93,
you know you have no right to be condescending to a "green" guy. if Lolo is in school and that is how he views the situation then who the hell are you to challenge how he views things, when, as you say you are not even physically in CA?
i detect in you a determination to find answers that bely your declared role of being just an interested person. this is pprune. do you really expect the people in CA to answer you here? if you are really just an interested person, such as myself, then what the hell are you doing making judgments on this school based on what are posted in PPrune, and on CA's "Unupdated" website? if you have doubts, and if somebody answers you here, what benefit will that "truth" give? it is obvious you have a very big axe to grind against this school and are therfore biased and asking slanted questions.
as for:
This was much more interesting when MP and BH were running the show.
is MP the same guy who made all those promises of employment and finishing training in one year? if so, then i am not sure what you meant by "this" being "much more interesting." i'd definitely not enroll if he was still there.
right now i don't care anymore what happened before, as that is past. however, intellectual honesty compels me to withold judgment on things that are not apparent. and i am not trying to shove the issues aside by saying that all we know for sure is that 3 Cadets have gone on to 5J while people have done sim training and waiting for the TAGs.
As for the charge that current management is not doing anything to resolve the situation with the non Cebu cadets, we'd be wiser than be assuming stuff: after being in charge for less than a year (as other cadets in that school i have talked with say), that "bad" management have overcome a lot of adversity and managed to move cadets forward -- delivered 3 cadets to their dreams! not even YOU and your interested posturing can refute that!
mi gaaaad the people here.
betpump5,
i'm not sure what happened to you. r u the same one posting stuff here before? you were out for a while and most of the early posts you did are now missing. if you're the same guy, glad you're back mate!
traveller93,
you know you have no right to be condescending to a "green" guy. if Lolo is in school and that is how he views the situation then who the hell are you to challenge how he views things, when, as you say you are not even physically in CA?
i detect in you a determination to find answers that bely your declared role of being just an interested person. this is pprune. do you really expect the people in CA to answer you here? if you are really just an interested person, such as myself, then what the hell are you doing making judgments on this school based on what are posted in PPrune, and on CA's "Unupdated" website? if you have doubts, and if somebody answers you here, what benefit will that "truth" give? it is obvious you have a very big axe to grind against this school and are therfore biased and asking slanted questions.
as for:
This was much more interesting when MP and BH were running the show.
is MP the same guy who made all those promises of employment and finishing training in one year? if so, then i am not sure what you meant by "this" being "much more interesting." i'd definitely not enroll if he was still there.
right now i don't care anymore what happened before, as that is past. however, intellectual honesty compels me to withold judgment on things that are not apparent. and i am not trying to shove the issues aside by saying that all we know for sure is that 3 Cadets have gone on to 5J while people have done sim training and waiting for the TAGs.
As for the charge that current management is not doing anything to resolve the situation with the non Cebu cadets, we'd be wiser than be assuming stuff: after being in charge for less than a year (as other cadets in that school i have talked with say), that "bad" management have overcome a lot of adversity and managed to move cadets forward -- delivered 3 cadets to their dreams! not even YOU and your interested posturing can refute that!
mi gaaaad the people here.
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You really have no idea... and to top it all, you act as if you know everything
They're waiting for their turn for the 12 TAGS from Cebu Pac.. CA has already turned over them to their airline sponsor. What situation do you want CA to resolve for these 8 students as its 5J turn to finish their TAGS.
Do you know how an airline business works?? I dont, but I know for the fact that anything can happen with a day, a week, a month or years!! Even PAL postponed the training of newly hires, trainees who came from PALav, because there wont be hiring as of 2011! (Then again, that was what they said a week ago.. anything can change)
The problem started when the MP and his gang promised 1year of training to the cadets... They just say flowery words and isnt back up by any plan.
Well, after 2years and 2months, from 0 hours to F/O seat of an A320. I think its not that sad. There maybe problems, there may be people who create problmes. But, for a new program.. which had a first year of really realy bad management. Compare it to 1500hours of cessna flying, rumor education and no idea of a flyby wire system. A good start for both the program and the NEW management.
First of all, Look at this way, atleast i have the guts to say "lets see what happens for the next few month" to the team working now as compared with the MP team whom we all know talks B.S.
Secondly, how can you conclude what the current management is doing / not doing, based on PPRUNE!? HINT.. maybe they're doing something but some people or system is hindering them to make progress OR another point of view is, maybe CAAP is still trying to create/Refine a system for MPL. Maybe ICAO has something to do with this? Its a work in progress.
Lastly, its kinda funny how you defend the old management compared to the new one when those studnets who started since 2007 know who talks B.S. and who talks whats on the table.
To conclude my 3 statements: It seems how you are bitter to the new management and all praise to the old one.
I find it odd and funny because the first 1year in C.A.,
the old management did nothing but apply for bristol ground school for students, did not teach, did not even have a plane to fly.
The 2nd year in CA, with the new management, changed the ground school corriculum, fixed (fixing) the core flying, fixed the MCC, fixed the a320 groundschool, fixed the A320 LOFT, fixed the A320 Advanced phase. They have had hand overed 10students to their sponsors and gives recurrency training to the next 30 students finished with their checkrides and awaiting acceptance from cebupac. Im confident they are now focusing on the non-sponsored cadets which the OLD management promised give an airline sponsor in the first place.
In short, much of the problems came because of the B.S. and stupidity of the old management and the new managment is carrying the burden of their works.
You say 8 students finished their training and are on the wait. When did they finish their training? Waiting for what? What is management (as you call it) doing to resolve the situation?
They're waiting for their turn for the 12 TAGS from Cebu Pac.. CA has already turned over them to their airline sponsor. What situation do you want CA to resolve for these 8 students as its 5J turn to finish their TAGS.
And the cherry on top is lets see what happens in the next few months. Months? Are you joking?How dare you play with the future of those who entrusted you with their dreams and are stuck in a web of lies woven by a bunch of crooks? Time waits for nobody!!!!
Do you know how an airline business works?? I dont, but I know for the fact that anything can happen with a day, a week, a month or years!! Even PAL postponed the training of newly hires, trainees who came from PALav, because there wont be hiring as of 2011! (Then again, that was what they said a week ago.. anything can change)
The problem started when the MP and his gang promised 1year of training to the cadets... They just say flowery words and isnt back up by any plan.
Bitter? Why should I be? I took my time to read this thread since the beginning and I've followed all the different pro and against arguments written here. Therefore my knowledge about what is going on at CIA and it paints a very sad picture indeed.
Well, after 2years and 2months, from 0 hours to F/O seat of an A320. I think its not that sad. There maybe problems, there may be people who create problmes. But, for a new program.. which had a first year of really realy bad management. Compare it to 1500hours of cessna flying, rumor education and no idea of a flyby wire system. A good start for both the program and the NEW management.
lets see what happens in the next few months especially for the nonsponsored students and foreign students." - bagoongathipon.
In truth, I believe the visible management might be willing to do something but are powerless to make any decisions without the prior approval of those in the dark background.
The question still is: After Mark P. and Brian H. who are they?
There is no transparency in CIA.
The question still is: After Mark P. and Brian H. who are they?
There is no transparency in CIA.
Secondly, how can you conclude what the current management is doing / not doing, based on PPRUNE!? HINT.. maybe they're doing something but some people or system is hindering them to make progress OR another point of view is, maybe CAAP is still trying to create/Refine a system for MPL. Maybe ICAO has something to do with this? Its a work in progress.
Lastly, its kinda funny how you defend the old management compared to the new one when those studnets who started since 2007 know who talks B.S. and who talks whats on the table.
To conclude my 3 statements: It seems how you are bitter to the new management and all praise to the old one.
I find it odd and funny because the first 1year in C.A.,
the old management did nothing but apply for bristol ground school for students, did not teach, did not even have a plane to fly.
The 2nd year in CA, with the new management, changed the ground school corriculum, fixed (fixing) the core flying, fixed the MCC, fixed the a320 groundschool, fixed the A320 LOFT, fixed the A320 Advanced phase. They have had hand overed 10students to their sponsors and gives recurrency training to the next 30 students finished with their checkrides and awaiting acceptance from cebupac. Im confident they are now focusing on the non-sponsored cadets which the OLD management promised give an airline sponsor in the first place.
In short, much of the problems came because of the B.S. and stupidity of the old management and the new managment is carrying the burden of their works.
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Attacking the messenger and ignoring the message is not fertile ground for a constructive conversation...
Looking at your text, I surely have a different idea from yours regarding CIA current situation.....
To say that I praise the old management headed by MP is an excellent indicator of your ignorance about who I am. And it shall remain as such.
But I know a bit more about CIA than you might imagine. What happened after MP was kicked out (a favour to humanity was done there)? BH took over.... and now seem to be gone too. So, who is running the show as the head of the corporation? Nowhere a name is to be found. As I said before, CIA is in the middle of a corporate crisis (for whatever past reason) and needs to be seen to resolve the cadets (all of them) immediate need to get a valid pilot's licence. If there are difficulties getting the MPL done in good time, then CIA should be actively working to provide an alternate solution to those that have completed their training and are stuck in a never ending spiral of empty promises and hope building half statements.
Not to complete the MPL course in 12 months is acceptable. 14 to 16 months would be OK to cover for hidden snags in the initial planning. But 30 months (and counting) is a bit loooong.... Don't you think so?
There again, 5J is only taking care about the cadets they fully sponsored. The ones they sponsored 50% are in a terrible limbo and without any means to cover their debts if they don't start working.
The fully self-sponsored cadets are in even more trouble because their debts are much bigger and facing the prospect of bankrupcy at an early age.
The foreign cadets are in a much worse situation, accumulating all the above and even without any chance to do the necessary 12 TAGS for the MPL licence. 5J will not provide any assistance.
As a corporation, isn't CIA responsible for this situation?
Certainly it is!!!! And all corporations have a top person that must assume the responsibility for these matters and CIA doen't seem to have. By the way, this top person assumes the responsibility for all corporate matters regarding Alpha Aviation and covering the UK, UAE and Philippines business units. Does anyone know who this person is? I don't think so....
The junior managers running CIA are only doing the day-to-day management and are in no position to make any corporate decisions, such as providing alternate solutions to the poor cadets stuck between a rock and a hard place, despite all their good intentions and hard work.
The cadets are fully grown adults looking for a professional qualification. They should not be treated as imberb middle school kids but deserve all my assistance to demand proper treatment.
And I stop here for now. Just remember that no ammount of white-washing will clear a situation that demands transparency.
Attacking the messenger and ignoring the message is not fertile ground for a constructive conversation...
Looking at your text, I surely have a different idea from yours regarding CIA current situation.....
To say that I praise the old management headed by MP is an excellent indicator of your ignorance about who I am. And it shall remain as such.
But I know a bit more about CIA than you might imagine. What happened after MP was kicked out (a favour to humanity was done there)? BH took over.... and now seem to be gone too. So, who is running the show as the head of the corporation? Nowhere a name is to be found. As I said before, CIA is in the middle of a corporate crisis (for whatever past reason) and needs to be seen to resolve the cadets (all of them) immediate need to get a valid pilot's licence. If there are difficulties getting the MPL done in good time, then CIA should be actively working to provide an alternate solution to those that have completed their training and are stuck in a never ending spiral of empty promises and hope building half statements.
Not to complete the MPL course in 12 months is acceptable. 14 to 16 months would be OK to cover for hidden snags in the initial planning. But 30 months (and counting) is a bit loooong.... Don't you think so?
There again, 5J is only taking care about the cadets they fully sponsored. The ones they sponsored 50% are in a terrible limbo and without any means to cover their debts if they don't start working.
The fully self-sponsored cadets are in even more trouble because their debts are much bigger and facing the prospect of bankrupcy at an early age.
The foreign cadets are in a much worse situation, accumulating all the above and even without any chance to do the necessary 12 TAGS for the MPL licence. 5J will not provide any assistance.
As a corporation, isn't CIA responsible for this situation?
Certainly it is!!!! And all corporations have a top person that must assume the responsibility for these matters and CIA doen't seem to have. By the way, this top person assumes the responsibility for all corporate matters regarding Alpha Aviation and covering the UK, UAE and Philippines business units. Does anyone know who this person is? I don't think so....
The junior managers running CIA are only doing the day-to-day management and are in no position to make any corporate decisions, such as providing alternate solutions to the poor cadets stuck between a rock and a hard place, despite all their good intentions and hard work.
The cadets are fully grown adults looking for a professional qualification. They should not be treated as imberb middle school kids but deserve all my assistance to demand proper treatment.
And I stop here for now. Just remember that no ammount of white-washing will clear a situation that demands transparency.
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Maybe we don't know how you are, for certain, but can have a pretty good guess! Interesting that all of your posts to date revolve around CIA.
You are not a cadet, so why do you care?
Your facts are not correct. MP resigned he was not kicked out, as you say. Interesting fact in itself, considering he set up the company.
So, somewhere along the line, you didn't get what you wanted. Now, what might that have been? I have a good idea.
I think you were kicked out, and for very good reason.
I think that hurts bad. Get over it and get on with your life. In fact, just get a life and do us all a favour.
You are not a cadet, so why do you care?
Your facts are not correct. MP resigned he was not kicked out, as you say. Interesting fact in itself, considering he set up the company.
So, somewhere along the line, you didn't get what you wanted. Now, what might that have been? I have a good idea.
I think you were kicked out, and for very good reason.
I think that hurts bad. Get over it and get on with your life. In fact, just get a life and do us all a favour.
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Attacking the messenger and ignoring the message is not fertile ground for a constructive conversation...
o god you were the first one to attack a poster here! your rudeness at dismissing other people's views can only be described as shameless arrogance.
in fact you have displayed a shocking contempt of other people, dismissing their comments on the basis of your perceived superior knowledge about the entire CA situation.
As I said before, CIA is in the middle of a corporate crisis (for whatever past reason)
if you know this for a fact, then you know much more than many of the posters here in pprune. so it begs the entire situation: why do you need to ask questions in a rumor network?
the fact is you are not as knowledgeable about the entire thing as you claim. you are here not to engage in something constructive, but to go on a fishing expedition to serve your own means. go get a life.
o god you were the first one to attack a poster here! your rudeness at dismissing other people's views can only be described as shameless arrogance.
in fact you have displayed a shocking contempt of other people, dismissing their comments on the basis of your perceived superior knowledge about the entire CA situation.
As I said before, CIA is in the middle of a corporate crisis (for whatever past reason)
if you know this for a fact, then you know much more than many of the posters here in pprune. so it begs the entire situation: why do you need to ask questions in a rumor network?
the fact is you are not as knowledgeable about the entire thing as you claim. you are here not to engage in something constructive, but to go on a fishing expedition to serve your own means. go get a life.
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o god you were the first one to attack a poster here! your rudeness at dismissing other people's views can only be described as shameless arrogance.
in fact you have displayed a shocking contempt of other people, dismissing their comments on the basis of your perceived superior knowledge about the entire CA situation.
if you know this for a fact, then you know much more than many of the posters here in pprune. so it begs the entire situation: why do you need to ask questions in a rumor network?
the fact is you are not as knowledgeable about the entire thing as you claim. you are here not to engage in something constructive, but to go on a fishing expedition to serve your own means. go get a life.
As I said before, CIA is in the middle of a corporate crisis (for whatever past reason)
if you know this for a fact, then you know much more than many of the posters here in pprune. so it begs the entire situation: why do you need to ask questions in a rumor network?
the fact is you are not as knowledgeable about the entire thing as you claim. you are here not to engage in something constructive, but to go on a fishing expedition to serve your own means. go get a life.
He was talking about the alternatives to those nonsponsored cadets..
first of all, this problem started when CA accepted nonsponsored cadets (which was the decision of the old management just to get students) secondly, the management just finished setting up the system for sponsored cadets, im sure they're now focusing on the nonsponsored cadets situation.
30 months?! yeah.. pretty long time huh.. subtract the 12months the old management did nothing.. thats 18months. Then take consideration the new management cleaned up the mess, the # of time CAAP leadership changes, the decision of ICAO to focus on CA and the fact that this is a new program. 18months is fast for an airline industry standard. Sadly, the students have to suffer from this because the old management did not fixed this before they started accepting students in the first place!!
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Re the comments suggesting CIA is in a corporate mess.
I can say with certainty MP was sacked due to his extremely poor management of CIA and various other issues.
The current local management at CIA are there in good faith, appointed by the shareholders. They (the local management) have no autonomy. All are aware of the tremendous mess to be cleaned up.
At 'corporate' level, CIA is one of the 'academies' within Alpha Aviation Group (AAG), owned by C+C Alpha Group of 1 Vincent Square, London with a minority shareholding by Prescient Technologies, Singapore. These people have lost many millions through investing in CIA, buying Bond Aviation Solutions at LGW (now Alpha Aviation Academy Europe), and another poorly conceived MPL academy in Sharjah which has not yet commenced operations. The LGW 'academy' is actually a TRTO but is insolvent. It also owns a Sim Industrie B737NG sim sitting unused at FSC Amsterdam. C+C have no real expertise or experience of pilot training. It is their London HDQ where the buck stops, and where frustration should be directed.
Apparently C+C etc did not perform any due diligence when they invested in MP's dreams of a global network of MPL academies in 2006. Sadly it is the innocent students and employees who continue to suffer while the 'venture capitalists' continue to dither and pontificate.
I can say with certainty MP was sacked due to his extremely poor management of CIA and various other issues.
The current local management at CIA are there in good faith, appointed by the shareholders. They (the local management) have no autonomy. All are aware of the tremendous mess to be cleaned up.
At 'corporate' level, CIA is one of the 'academies' within Alpha Aviation Group (AAG), owned by C+C Alpha Group of 1 Vincent Square, London with a minority shareholding by Prescient Technologies, Singapore. These people have lost many millions through investing in CIA, buying Bond Aviation Solutions at LGW (now Alpha Aviation Academy Europe), and another poorly conceived MPL academy in Sharjah which has not yet commenced operations. The LGW 'academy' is actually a TRTO but is insolvent. It also owns a Sim Industrie B737NG sim sitting unused at FSC Amsterdam. C+C have no real expertise or experience of pilot training. It is their London HDQ where the buck stops, and where frustration should be directed.
Apparently C+C etc did not perform any due diligence when they invested in MP's dreams of a global network of MPL academies in 2006. Sadly it is the innocent students and employees who continue to suffer while the 'venture capitalists' continue to dither and pontificate.
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Alas a probationary ppruner has posted here - it all gets interesting. And a fellow countryman at that.
For me as I have stated many times, I am purely concerned with Filipino and other nationalities who are embarking on the CIA MPL without some form of sponsorship/guarantee from an airline like 5J.
The MPL in its current state is flawed. No airline in the world accepts an MPL cadet unless they were taught with their own SOP's and also the aircraft the airline flies. This is the whole essence and attractiveness of the MPL - a ready made pilot who on Day 1 of joining the airline can fly in the RHS of that particular aircraft.
Regardless of the mismanagement that has occurred at CIA, whether it be in Manila or in a London HQ, the simple case is that the fundamental flaw of the generic MPL course has not been addressed. That flaw and subsequent concern will always be there - regardless of the management.
This NEEDS to be addressed.
It doesn't matter whether CIA fixes its management, and all cadets are taking 10 months to complete an MPL and everyone is happy blah blah blah.... NO AIRLINE will take a generic MPL cadet straight out of school.
With an MPL, you CAN NOT fly GA to build hours! So you are
ed either way! When will people realise this!
Next time I visit my dad in the Philippines, shall I take a trip up to Pampanga and stand outside with a megaphone shouting out everything I have said?
For me as I have stated many times, I am purely concerned with Filipino and other nationalities who are embarking on the CIA MPL without some form of sponsorship/guarantee from an airline like 5J.
The MPL in its current state is flawed. No airline in the world accepts an MPL cadet unless they were taught with their own SOP's and also the aircraft the airline flies. This is the whole essence and attractiveness of the MPL - a ready made pilot who on Day 1 of joining the airline can fly in the RHS of that particular aircraft.
Regardless of the mismanagement that has occurred at CIA, whether it be in Manila or in a London HQ, the simple case is that the fundamental flaw of the generic MPL course has not been addressed. That flaw and subsequent concern will always be there - regardless of the management.
This NEEDS to be addressed.
It doesn't matter whether CIA fixes its management, and all cadets are taking 10 months to complete an MPL and everyone is happy blah blah blah.... NO AIRLINE will take a generic MPL cadet straight out of school.
With an MPL, you CAN NOT fly GA to build hours! So you are
ed either way! When will people realise this! Next time I visit my dad in the Philippines, shall I take a trip up to Pampanga and stand outside with a megaphone shouting out everything I have said?
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To current and previous cadets
Hi there
I need your help guys!
Looking for all the possible details about Clark's assessment and aptitude tests. What are they exactly &how do they perform these tests? What about math and physics? Any study materials?
& from your personal experience with Clark's assessment, what is it that I should worry about the most?
Your input and recommendations in this regard are highly appreciated.
Thank you very much
I need your help guys!
Looking for all the possible details about Clark's assessment and aptitude tests. What are they exactly &how do they perform these tests? What about math and physics? Any study materials?
& from your personal experience with Clark's assessment, what is it that I should worry about the most?
Your input and recommendations in this regard are highly appreciated.
Thank you very much
From the Airbus IP from Cebu Pacific
Speaking of CA students, I finally got to fly with the first two MPL course graduates, which, according to them, was Navitimer's instructions.
My first impression:
1. Good theory and procedures.
2. Radio Telephony needs work - probably because no one ever taught them the proper phraseology, sequence, message content, listening technique and "etiquette.
3. Some action paralysis due to the psychological shock of flying the real A320 - realization that mistakes can be disastrous. No "freezing" the plane and having someone explain.
4. Problems keeping up with the pace of actual line operations - The pace during their training was slow and controlled.
5. Little or no bad habits (great!) - because they are starting from a "clean slate".
6. Some anxiety flying into "short" runways - I flew them into Legaspi, where we are currently operating on a reduced runway distance of 1,700 meters (Tagbilaran is 1,700 meters). I demonstrated to them the short field landing and takeoff performance of the A320 (RP-C3247) with a 95% load factor, and how you would only need 3/4 of the 1,700 meters, if you do things properly. To think, I'm scheduled to fly into Ozamis in June, which is 1,500 meters.
7. Need to study more on Aircraft Performance & Meteorology.
8. Need to improve task prioritization and organization - I think this is also caused by the shock of flying the real plane.
I also flew them into Puerto Princesa (long runway), where (I think) they got their first taste of a night instrument approach in bad weather. As Murphy's law would have it, some of the approach, runway and airport lights went out while I was on VOR/DME 27 short final. A scene right out of "Airplane" the movie.
These were "Familiarization" flights, though - they were observers, and I flew with regular First Officers in the right seat. I haven't let them physically fly the A320 yet. They don't get to do that until Navitimer says so.
My first impression:
1. Good theory and procedures.
2. Radio Telephony needs work - probably because no one ever taught them the proper phraseology, sequence, message content, listening technique and "etiquette.
3. Some action paralysis due to the psychological shock of flying the real A320 - realization that mistakes can be disastrous. No "freezing" the plane and having someone explain.
4. Problems keeping up with the pace of actual line operations - The pace during their training was slow and controlled.
5. Little or no bad habits (great!) - because they are starting from a "clean slate".
6. Some anxiety flying into "short" runways - I flew them into Legaspi, where we are currently operating on a reduced runway distance of 1,700 meters (Tagbilaran is 1,700 meters). I demonstrated to them the short field landing and takeoff performance of the A320 (RP-C3247) with a 95% load factor, and how you would only need 3/4 of the 1,700 meters, if you do things properly. To think, I'm scheduled to fly into Ozamis in June, which is 1,500 meters.
7. Need to study more on Aircraft Performance & Meteorology.
8. Need to improve task prioritization and organization - I think this is also caused by the shock of flying the real plane.
I also flew them into Puerto Princesa (long runway), where (I think) they got their first taste of a night instrument approach in bad weather. As Murphy's law would have it, some of the approach, runway and airport lights went out while I was on VOR/DME 27 short final. A scene right out of "Airplane" the movie.
These were "Familiarization" flights, though - they were observers, and I flew with regular First Officers in the right seat. I haven't let them physically fly the A320 yet. They don't get to do that until Navitimer says so.
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This thread is getting so interesting.
But what amazes me most is how most people here seem to think TRAVELLER93 is somehow an obsticle...Ive read his posts with great interest and have come to understand that this person has a genuine consern for the future of the cadets at Clark Av. From sponcored to non-sponcored cadets.
Yet it seems that the true obstilces, come from certain people here who belive it looks intelligent to copy, paste and then make some insignificant quote about what another has said...Im sorry to say this Bagoongathipon but as much as you want to make your posts sound and look intelligent, constructive and well thought out. im sorry i have to say it but theres alot os BS in your posts and you do seem a little close minded when it comes to an opinion of another person.
Traveller93 has made very sound statements with ireputable ividence in many ways, and yet as soon the word "new managemnet" comes up, it looks like the CA hounds attack... there seems to be alot of well trained gaurd dogs here barking away at anyone who asks questions about the current management..( good boy, have a biscuit )
So Ill ask the same question. what has the new management done for the self sponcored students.
And let me just say this to set one thing clear. It was'nt the current management who got cebu pac to give the first 3 cadets their base training, the GM and hes little puppies did nothin,nothin for the school and nothing for the cadets until now.. the 3 5j cadets can thank our President GMA, cause she inaugurated CA, GMA told the DG of the CAAP that it will be a national imbarresment if this course failed....
So all you hounds out there, get your facts straight before you start barking blindly at what people say here.
woof woof
But what amazes me most is how most people here seem to think TRAVELLER93 is somehow an obsticle...Ive read his posts with great interest and have come to understand that this person has a genuine consern for the future of the cadets at Clark Av. From sponcored to non-sponcored cadets.
Yet it seems that the true obstilces, come from certain people here who belive it looks intelligent to copy, paste and then make some insignificant quote about what another has said...Im sorry to say this Bagoongathipon but as much as you want to make your posts sound and look intelligent, constructive and well thought out. im sorry i have to say it but theres alot os BS in your posts and you do seem a little close minded when it comes to an opinion of another person.
Traveller93 has made very sound statements with ireputable ividence in many ways, and yet as soon the word "new managemnet" comes up, it looks like the CA hounds attack... there seems to be alot of well trained gaurd dogs here barking away at anyone who asks questions about the current management..( good boy, have a biscuit )
So Ill ask the same question. what has the new management done for the self sponcored students.
And let me just say this to set one thing clear. It was'nt the current management who got cebu pac to give the first 3 cadets their base training, the GM and hes little puppies did nothin,nothin for the school and nothing for the cadets until now.. the 3 5j cadets can thank our President GMA, cause she inaugurated CA, GMA told the DG of the CAAP that it will be a national imbarresment if this course failed....
So all you hounds out there, get your facts straight before you start barking blindly at what people say here.
woof woof