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Clark Aviation told me that if they are unable to find an airline to sponsor you, there is no obligation on our part to pay the other half.
That's why they said that we do not have to worry that they will not find an airline, because they will be forced to find one to recover the other half of the training cost.
But still... I am not sure I am agreeable to this...
That's why they said that we do not have to worry that they will not find an airline, because they will be forced to find one to recover the other half of the training cost.
But still... I am not sure I am agreeable to this...
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just a commentPL
hey there fellas..
supposed they cant find you an airline that can sponsor you..what then? you would have already put down $45,000.00 for a license that you cant even use to flight instruct...
wouldn't it be better to go conventional and get a commercial license?
..just a thought
good luck..
supposed they cant find you an airline that can sponsor you..what then? you would have already put down $45,000.00 for a license that you cant even use to flight instruct...
wouldn't it be better to go conventional and get a commercial license?
..just a thought
good luck..
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it is food for thought what jester icarus is saying.. i have to agree with him. cause if clark cannot find a sponcership then the student is out of 45 000 US...
If any student takes this offer, it should be added in writing that if clark cannot find a sponcership, then a full reembursment should be made..in writing.
and you guys been offered this, dont be afraid to ask this , demand it.its only fair to you.
remember this, only the sponcered filipinos have a job garantee, the self sponcered students, filipino and expat alike, still do not have a job garanteed anywhere...and this has been going on since the school opened...
so to anyone interessted, it s up to you but just remember to ask for things that will garantee your money, future and any indever you might have...
If any student takes this offer, it should be added in writing that if clark cannot find a sponcership, then a full reembursment should be made..in writing.
and you guys been offered this, dont be afraid to ask this , demand it.its only fair to you.
remember this, only the sponcered filipinos have a job garantee, the self sponcered students, filipino and expat alike, still do not have a job garanteed anywhere...and this has been going on since the school opened...
so to anyone interessted, it s up to you but just remember to ask for things that will garantee your money, future and any indever you might have...
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thanks for the info on the Halldale conference, always good to hear that the world has a big interest in the MPL.
Hope C&C Alpha Group Aviation, Clark Aviation. take some interest and go there to represent....
thanks for the info on the Halldale conference, always good to hear that the world has a big interest in the MPL.
Hope C&C Alpha Group Aviation, Clark Aviation. take some interest and go there to represent....
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Be careful guys
Just a gentle warning from a person who has some experience with MPL.
Before anyone accepts the latest "offer" be very careful. The basis of MPL is to have an airline that takes the graduates - look at the ICAO and JAA websites on MPL. Look also at the implications for the Sterling Airlines MPL cadets who have been made redundant and can not now go to another airline without expensive re-training. (recent Flight International).
I do not know what the Philippine ATO and regulators are accepting but every major regulator is tying the MPL to specific airline training SOP and LOE plus subsequent performance monitoring. Without an airline the MPL is of little or no use. As a previous post said - a CPL/ IR does not guarantee a job but is at least universally recognized.
It is apparent that Clark does not have an unblemished record of being truthful so beware an obvious tactic aimed at generating cash flow!
Before anyone accepts the latest "offer" be very careful. The basis of MPL is to have an airline that takes the graduates - look at the ICAO and JAA websites on MPL. Look also at the implications for the Sterling Airlines MPL cadets who have been made redundant and can not now go to another airline without expensive re-training. (recent Flight International).
I do not know what the Philippine ATO and regulators are accepting but every major regulator is tying the MPL to specific airline training SOP and LOE plus subsequent performance monitoring. Without an airline the MPL is of little or no use. As a previous post said - a CPL/ IR does not guarantee a job but is at least universally recognized.
It is apparent that Clark does not have an unblemished record of being truthful so beware an obvious tactic aimed at generating cash flow!
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if you have $45Gssss!!
if you have $45Ks...you can get close to at least a CFI rating (certified flight instructing rating) on a SEL.
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Dodo Training At Clark?
Just heard from the grapevine that instructors at the Clark Institute of Aviation are very strict and trying to implement a semi-military (dodo-style) training. Even required the trainees to shave (their heads?) which the non-Filipino trainees managed to refuse somehow.
Though the Filipino trainees might not have been as fortunate.
Though the Filipino trainees might not have been as fortunate.
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They might actually being doing the students a favor and dont know it. You ever flown in the philippines in a alpha with that nice bubble canopy? Must be like a flying sauna.....
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@ repapips...
Your grapevine is a bit old and maybe withered
That so called dodo style of training was initiated by an instructor who himself was an Ex PAL av school cadet. However he is no longer in CA. I respect him a lot though as he did his best to teach us (in his own ways and style)...whatever it took 
wish him the very best...Having said that i do support the dodo style of training...atleast during the initial stages of training.
However what has now happened is that the quality standards of flying has been raised quite a lot (the way it should have been in the first place) Ask any of the cadets in core flying stage and they will agree with me on that count.
PS: I am not a Filipino and i had my head shaved for the duration before i did my solo. In my country one shave's off his head only on the demise of his dad.
Your grapevine is a bit old and maybe withered
That so called dodo style of training was initiated by an instructor who himself was an Ex PAL av school cadet. However he is no longer in CA. I respect him a lot though as he did his best to teach us (in his own ways and style)...whatever it took wish him the very best...Having said that i do support the dodo style of training...atleast during the initial stages of training. However what has now happened is that the quality standards of flying has been raised quite a lot (the way it should have been in the first place) Ask any of the cadets in core flying stage and they will agree with me on that count.
PS: I am not a Filipino and i had my head shaved for the duration before i did my solo. In my country one shave's off his head only on the demise of his dad.
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Actually, to make things clear. That ex-Pal student (turned CA instructor) did not even want us to shave our heads. He just wanted a clean cut. But it was the time when that batch was having a hard time. Management was a mess. They werent flying. Nothings happening. Then two racist foreigners management were giving them a hard time without any goals on what they were doing.
That class initiated it by themselves. They had alot of arguments because some of them doesnt find shaving heads and dodo style useful. But eventually, they did.
They showed the PALAv graduate that they are willing to be standardized when there wasnt any back then. Then, their batch told all the problems they were facing in his first few days in CA. They asked him to help us.
Through his initiative, he found that the ALSIM could be used as a tool so that we could start training eventhough there were no planes yet. So he trained us there until we started our actual flying.
It may sound stupid that the batch insisted to have that semi-military, dodo style, shaving heads system. But they have their reason and im sure it was needed back then.
Much respect for because, unlike todays CA standard, he was our foundation. What he learned from PALav, that was our initial training. When we have nothing and was so down, he was there to help.
Now, as i see in the core flying phase, I can just envy how the quality of training the CA instructors are giving. Im sure there are still alot to iron out. But its getting better. Way better that before.
That class initiated it by themselves. They had alot of arguments because some of them doesnt find shaving heads and dodo style useful. But eventually, they did.
They showed the PALAv graduate that they are willing to be standardized when there wasnt any back then. Then, their batch told all the problems they were facing in his first few days in CA. They asked him to help us.
Through his initiative, he found that the ALSIM could be used as a tool so that we could start training eventhough there were no planes yet. So he trained us there until we started our actual flying.
It may sound stupid that the batch insisted to have that semi-military, dodo style, shaving heads system. But they have their reason and im sure it was needed back then.
Much respect for because, unlike todays CA standard, he was our foundation. What he learned from PALav, that was our initial training. When we have nothing and was so down, he was there to help.
Now, as i see in the core flying phase, I can just envy how the quality of training the CA instructors are giving. Im sure there are still alot to iron out. But its getting better. Way better that before.
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@Bagoongathipon Yes i agree with what you have said...and its not just the AlSIM training that we got under that particular instrutor. He also voluntarily gave us classes on IF flying. That was the time when CA did not have any CFI...and though the course representatives pressed for classes / ALSIM sessions, the mgmt did not do anything about it 
. Finally it was this ex PAL Av FI who went out of his way and made sure the guys who were getting delayed between flts (esp the ones who did not fly their 1st solo yet) got to fly in the ALSIM and the ones stuck in the IF phase had some valuable IF flts also. (He used to come into the dorm at odd hrs and pull out the guys who were getting delayed for the solo to do some sorties on the ALSIM 
) As i mentioned above he also spent time sometimes till 12 midnight teaching us the theory part of the IF phase.
Things now have certainly changed for the better...and sadly in the process we lost a few good FIs...but thats the past...
Cheers.
. Finally it was this ex PAL Av FI who went out of his way and made sure the guys who were getting delayed between flts (esp the ones who did not fly their 1st solo yet) got to fly in the ALSIM and the ones stuck in the IF phase had some valuable IF flts also. (He used to come into the dorm at odd hrs and pull out the guys who were getting delayed for the solo to do some sorties on the ALSIM ) As i mentioned above he also spent time sometimes till 12 midnight teaching us the theory part of the IF phase.Things now have certainly changed for the better...and sadly in the process we lost a few good FIs...but thats the past...
Cheers.
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Ping Pong Surla
Wanted by the Philippine Airforce for going AWOL knowing that he still has PAF commitments. Son of EVA Air Pilot. Did not reach the PAL line because of he was involved in the hazing of his lower class. tsk tsk tsk.........some kind of standard you aspire to Bagoongathipon.
Wanted by the Philippine Airforce for going AWOL knowing that he still has PAF commitments. Son of EVA Air Pilot. Did not reach the PAL line because of he was involved in the hazing of his lower class. tsk tsk tsk.........some kind of standard you aspire to Bagoongathipon.
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we understand how much you hate the school for ripping you off... but you're barking at the wrong tree. we're fine with you bashing the racist ex-manager and those who didn't know what to do with the school when it started (since we all agree on that), it's just really insulting of you to namedrop RS who is very much respected at Clark Aviation and even at PAL Av School for his flying skills and being such an influence along with GN to our current flight instructors. i wouldn't mind being sucker-punched in the gut as long as i fly up to standard... hey, at least we're flying. et toi?
we understand how much you hate the school for ripping you off... but you're barking at the wrong tree. we're fine with you bashing the racist ex-manager and those who didn't know what to do with the school when it started (since we all agree on that), it's just really insulting of you to namedrop RS who is very much respected at Clark Aviation and even at PAL Av School for his flying skills and being such an influence along with GN to our current flight instructors. i wouldn't mind being sucker-punched in the gut as long as i fly up to standard... hey, at least we're flying. et toi?
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What if your father knew or your mother knew that PingPong sucker punched you in the gut do you think they will approve? They did not pay 3.75 million pesos just to have their son be hurt intentionally by some PAL wannabe, PAF wanted deserter do they?????
What if your father knew or your mother knew that PingPong sucker punched you in the gut do you think they will approve? They did not pay 3.75 million pesos just to have their son be hurt intentionally by some PAL wannabe, PAF wanted deserter do they?????
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haha... i'm not the right person to answer that question 
, it's funny that you mentioned my parents because i honestly think they're fine with it (and it's not because they only pay half of the supposed Php3.75 million). now i don't have to mention my father's PAF and PAL past (dare i say legacy) but people like RS who are from our Air Force trying to get an early start in the local airline business would either go AWOL or are obliged pay the Philippine Government a huge sum of money equating to years of service for an early retirement. now you think you had it bad with Clark Aviation?
i don't expect a Bahraini woman to understand Philippine society but the fact of the matter is that we respect RS because of his passion for flying and if he has to hit cadets to learn or hit for the sake of brotherhood, it's not worth making a big fuss.
"standard 'yan, pare" - RS
, it's funny that you mentioned my parents because i honestly think they're fine with it (and it's not because they only pay half of the supposed Php3.75 million). now i don't have to mention my father's PAF and PAL past (dare i say legacy) but people like RS who are from our Air Force trying to get an early start in the local airline business would either go AWOL or are obliged pay the Philippine Government a huge sum of money equating to years of service for an early retirement. now you think you had it bad with Clark Aviation?i don't expect a Bahraini woman to understand Philippine society but the fact of the matter is that we respect RS because of his passion for flying and if he has to hit cadets to learn or hit for the sake of brotherhood, it's not worth making a big fuss.
"standard 'yan, pare" - RS
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He may have harassed his lower batchmates in PalAv, he may have done something wrong in PAF... but in ClarkAv, he was the ONLY one who helped us when everyone else wouldnt. That is what is important to us back then.
He may not have the flying skills that fits your standard. He may be poud of himself and the words that come out from his mouth that most people would be insulted by the mere sight of him. But in our point of view, when we were left in the mud, no one helped us but him. Yes, he would train us the whole day, even at the night just to get those vfr and ifr right.
To those who has been physically abused by him, well i cant do anything about that.. unlucky you. but as far as i know, he didnt anything that way to us. Poor you.
Its quite funny how you would drag down a person.. has he done anything bad to you that you would be willing to put an effort to bring him down? if so, poor you. If not, spend your time doing something more productive.
some of the forumers decided to defend him admists his wrong doings in the past because he was the only one there back then who would help us.
I know you wont understand that.
He may not have the flying skills that fits your standard. He may be poud of himself and the words that come out from his mouth that most people would be insulted by the mere sight of him. But in our point of view, when we were left in the mud, no one helped us but him. Yes, he would train us the whole day, even at the night just to get those vfr and ifr right.
To those who has been physically abused by him, well i cant do anything about that.. unlucky you. but as far as i know, he didnt anything that way to us. Poor you.
Its quite funny how you would drag down a person.. has he done anything bad to you that you would be willing to put an effort to bring him down? if so, poor you. If not, spend your time doing something more productive.
some of the forumers decided to defend him admists his wrong doings in the past because he was the only one there back then who would help us.
I know you wont understand that.
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"Ping Pong Surla
Wanted by the Philippine Airforce for going AWOL knowing that he still has PAF commitments. Son of EVA Air Pilot. Did not reach the PAL line because of he was involved in the hazing of his lower class. tsk tsk tsk.........some kind of standard you aspire to Bagoongathipon."
DUH?! If he was hazing us/hazed us, we would have put a legal battle against him. Mind you, our batch has been very vocal AND ACTIONS against those people in CA who did not perform/has wrong doings. The previous management even called us management killers!! It was because even before you were in CA, we would pressure those non-performing managment. We can only do so much and many times it has back fired on us. But my point is, we would stand up if we were being harrassed.
What we got from him was not hazing, nor nonprofessionalism. But at the time when nothing was there, no one was professional, no standard at all... he taught us. Thats all that mattered.
And as I said, I envy those flying in VFR now because of the standards set by the CA instructors.. its different back then and we have to accept what resources we had and do it our own way.
Its different back then, different now, and will be different tomorrow. Move on.
Still bitter at this guy?
Wanted by the Philippine Airforce for going AWOL knowing that he still has PAF commitments. Son of EVA Air Pilot. Did not reach the PAL line because of he was involved in the hazing of his lower class. tsk tsk tsk.........some kind of standard you aspire to Bagoongathipon."
DUH?! If he was hazing us/hazed us, we would have put a legal battle against him. Mind you, our batch has been very vocal AND ACTIONS against those people in CA who did not perform/has wrong doings. The previous management even called us management killers!! It was because even before you were in CA, we would pressure those non-performing managment. We can only do so much and many times it has back fired on us. But my point is, we would stand up if we were being harrassed.
What we got from him was not hazing, nor nonprofessionalism. But at the time when nothing was there, no one was professional, no standard at all... he taught us. Thats all that mattered.
And as I said, I envy those flying in VFR now because of the standards set by the CA instructors.. its different back then and we have to accept what resources we had and do it our own way.
Its different back then, different now, and will be different tomorrow. Move on.
Still bitter at this guy?
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Dont you know by now that manina is no longer the Bahraini girl anymore.. that one of our local boys here hacked into her account a long time ago and is now impersonating her... So its not her talking dirt, its one of us..sucks dont it.
Dont you know by now that manina is no longer the Bahraini girl anymore.. that one of our local boys here hacked into her account a long time ago and is now impersonating her... So its not her talking dirt, its one of us..sucks dont it.
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To be honest there was no "physical abuse" by any CA FI (past or present) . When i did my first solo (one of the happiest days in my life) All RS did was punch me in my stomach. Was that a sucker punch???...Not at all! It did not hurt me one fourth as much as it hurt when i was punched by my classmates 
but then i went to sleep with a big grin on my face!
To the rest of the folks in the forum...Enough of the said FI bashing! Given the circumstances 8 months back when no one was bothered to teach us anything...that said FI did a lot to keep us occupied in a good manner and actually taught us
I really dont care if he was AWOL from PAF or what he did in Pal Av school.
In the same way as i really dont care who is running the school. As long as we get trained in a proper manner should we really care as to who is teaching us?
As a customer who has paid thousands of $$$ for the training i think as long as i am satisfied with what is being done...i think i will continue to respect those that who do their duties. Now the standards have been set and more importantly they are being followed. As already mentioned so many times...The situation now in CA is very professional and a lot better.
Cheers...
PS: Define Physical Abuse...thats what I faced when i was in Engineering college and Reserve Armed forces (way back in the late 90s). A broken nose and eyes blackened just because you belong to a lower course? It took nearly 3 weeks for me to heal. How about front rolling on the gravel for 30 mins with nothing but only your briefs on? (oh ok one of us lost the gas plug on the damn rifle and all of us got punished for that anyways) One should really do a military stint to know about physical abuse 
. Physical abuse in CA? hahaha
To be honest there was no "physical abuse" by any CA FI (past or present) . When i did my first solo (one of the happiest days in my life
) All RS did was punch me in my stomach. Was that a sucker punch???...Not at all! It did not hurt me one fourth as much as it hurt when i was punched by my classmates but then i went to sleep with a big grin on my face! To the rest of the folks in the forum...Enough of the said FI bashing! Given the circumstances 8 months back when no one was bothered to teach us anything...that said FI did a lot to keep us occupied in a good manner and actually taught us
I really dont care if he was AWOL from PAF or what he did in Pal Av school. In the same way as i really dont care who is running the school. As long as we get trained in a proper manner should we really care as to who is teaching us?
As a customer who has paid thousands of $$$ for the training i think as long as i am satisfied with what is being done...i think i will continue to respect those that who do their duties. Now the standards have been set and more importantly they are being followed. As already mentioned so many times...The situation now in CA is very professional and a lot better.
Cheers...
PS: Define Physical Abuse...thats what I faced when i was in Engineering college and Reserve Armed forces (way back in the late 90s). A broken nose and eyes blackened just because you belong to a lower course? It took nearly 3 weeks for me to heal. How about front rolling on the gravel for 30 mins with nothing but only your briefs on? (oh ok one of us lost the gas plug on the damn rifle and all of us got punished for that anyways
) One should really do a military stint to know about physical abuse . Physical abuse in CA? hahaha