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Old 23rd May 2009, 15:48
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MPL at Clark

There are now four messengers. Lets see if the message gets through without any more time wasting.

Yes, time urges for a solution to ALL the CIA cadets that found themselves caught in a web of deceit, lies and greed and are already suffering financially, psycologically and even physically.

They enrolled in the MPL course because they had a dream and it seemed a new way to become a professional airline pilot. CIA, as a corporation, is in debt to them and not the other way around.

If, as some previous commentators mentioned, the governments of some countries are (even indirectly) involved in the companies that make up Alpha Aviation, then an appeal must be made to them to provide the necessary muscled action to resolve the cadets predicament.

More, ICAO must look at the CIA current situation and provide the needed change in regulations (guidelines) to enable the eventual MPL licence holders to be trained in the general aircraft type manufacturers SOPs instead of the sponsoring operator's.

That is where the most senior management of CIA has to get involved, if they exist and are minimally professional and want to make this adventure a real success.

Is there any movement in this direction? Is there any attempt to provide alternate means to enable the cadets to fly professionally (after all, they already paid for it)?

The small managers are just cannon fodder to take the blame.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 20:41
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Hey FourStripes

Sorry to tell u this, but you sound like a pompous ass if I ever heard one...
What an ego trip you're on!

Your pearls of wisdom:

"Some action paralysis due to the psychological shock of flying the real A320"

"Problems keeping up with the pace of actual line operations"

"Some anxiety flying into "short" runways"

"Need to improve task prioritization and organization - I think this is also caused by the shock of flying the real plane"

and then: "These were "Familiarization" flights, though - they were observers."

DAMN. That probably makes you the worlds best instructor! You were able to pick up all that without them even touching the controls!

And then:

"I flew them into Legaspi"

"I demonstrated to them"

"I also flew them into Puerto Princesa"

"and I flew with regular First Officers in the right seat. I haven't let them physically fly the A320 yet."

ME! ME! ME!

What would they do without you... And now your my hero too! I'd love to fly and learn from you... Cebu Pacific has A320's since ... May 2005!
So even if you were on the first batch of A320's you have all of 4 years flying the A320!!! Wow, I'm impressed! Can I be your co-pilot one day Sir? Please... I just want to learn from you Your Royal Highness. I'll be a good boy. Maybe you'll even allow me to "physically fly the A320"....

Sorry, got to go puke now
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Old 23rd May 2009, 22:17
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Hey guys... Would you please reply to my post #708 if you have any answers??

Thanks
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hey airbusbatics,

that comment came from the 2009 pilot of the year of Cebu Pacific.
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WOW!

Now I am truly even more impressed! Pilot of the year 2009 in Cebu Pacific! I am humbled... YOUR ARE THE CHOSEN ONE! GOD's GIFT TO THE COCKPITS!

Can I touch you....?


Seriously. You need a reality check. This can only be a wind up.
I'm finding it hard to believe that a professional pilot would come into a professional pilots forum like this to blow his own horn and in the process make such a fool of himself in front of his peers. You cannot be real. You must be a product of my imagination.

"that comment came from the 2009 pilot of the year of Cebu Pacific"

Now you really disgusted me. You're so full of yourself.

I thought this kind of Captain was long gone. Apparently they are still alive and amongst us.

I CAN'T STOP PUKING
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Thumbs down

you should listen betpump5...

he is spot on, where do you go with a 320 rating, no real hours, and airlines kicking out their own pilots?

you can not even fly a cessna 152 with your nice 320 rating done in a third world country where accident rate is the highest in the world!!!.

get a clue! no one want guys like you!

MPL, just good to toss in a bin!
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it's lengthy and you will be challenged, but there's no way to study or practice for it.
or

you cheque must have lot of 0 followed by a 1, and there is no way to study, as you just need to open a bank account...

be real!!! MPL=
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This thread is getting so interesting.
But what amazes me most is how most people here seem to think TRAVELLER93 is somehow an obsticle...Ive read his posts with great interest and have come to understand that this person has a genuine consern for the future of the cadets at Clark Av. From sponcored to non-sponcored cadets.
genuine concern? Read his post carefully... Genuine concerns actually includes facts and ideas on how to solve problems... he has not even have his fact straighten out nor contribute any opinion that would benefit c.a. nor this forum.

For instance, he is blaming CA why only 3 students has finished base check (12 touch and gos) while the next 7 hasnt even started yet. He said that CA is not doing anything to resolve this problem.

While it seems that, its a genuine concern proclaiming that CA should do something about this because the 7 students hasnt finished the Tags, this, concern is flawed. Primarily because CA has already turned overed the 7students to Cebu Pac already. In short, they are already employed by cebu pac and CAs work is finished already with them.

This is only an example of the misunderstanding /mis aligned facts that traveller93 is stating. How much more for the other facts?


Yet it seems that the true obstilces, come from certain people here who belive it looks intelligent to copy, paste and then make some insignificant quote about what another has said...Im sorry to say this Bagoongathipon but as much as you want to make your posts sound and look intelligent, constructive and well thought out. im sorry i have to say it but theres alot os BS in your posts and you do seem a little close minded when it comes to an opinion of another person.
Copy, paste and quote. We do that so we can reference the points being debated upon and counter with facts. If there is BS among my post.. why not quote it?! Its better to quote it and rebutt it so we can understand each other.

I am rebutting travellers points because what he says is different from what we see and happening. First he said that he knows whats happening because he has been reading this thread since day one, then he says things that are of out of reference! lastly, he what he say do not even sound like an opinion. He says these as facts.. which is my focus of my rebuttal.

Traveller93 has made very sound statements with ireputable ividence in many ways,
what evidence?!

and yet as soon the word "new managemnet" comes up, it looks like the CA hounds attack... there seems to be alot of well trained gaurd dogs here barking away at anyone who asks questions about the current management..( good boy, have a biscuit )
actually, its the word "OLD management!" Whenever i hear praises from that group, i really dont know where these comes from. Im sure 100% of the students hates the OLD management.. they never did anything! So, ironically, its really between the ppruners who says that they know everything and likes the old management against the students who experienced how the old management conducted their work!!

So Ill ask the same question. what has the new management done for the self sponcored students.
Atleast, the self sponsored students know they're TRYING to do something about it. When it materialize then you'll know. Unlike the old management who just talked BS (why did they accepted self sponsored students in the first place!?)

And let me just say this to set one thing clear. It was'nt the current management who got cebu pac to give the first 3 cadets their base training,
Ofcourse, because its already cebu pacs responsibility to give the 3 cadets their base training not the current management because this should be part of their agreement. Now, if you are talking that there wasnt an agreement between CA and cebu pac in the first place.. then again, the old management hasnt done its job in the first place!!

the GM and hes little puppies did nothin,nothin for the school and nothing for the cadets until now.. the 3 5j cadets can thank our President GMA, cause she inaugurated CA, GMA told the DG of the CAAP that it will be a national imbarresment if this course failed....
Then its an embarrasment for the old management for having students take the MPL in the first place when there wasnt any agreement in the first place.

So all you hounds out there, get your facts straight before you start barking blindly at what people say here.
woof woof
You're facts showed us how poorly the first management started the program and caused all these trouble that we are encountering.
meow meow
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More, ICAO must look at the CIA current situation and provide the needed change in regulations (guidelines) to enable the eventual MPL licence holders to be trained in the general aircraft type manufacturers SOPs instead of the sponsoring operator's.
If you truly, sincerely, genuinely know whats been happening with CA, you should have known that ICAO has been actively participating with the MPL program at CA since last quarter of 2008!
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boys boys boys

are we in a pissing contest?? the most obnoxious one wins!

1. batman 123 - you have no constructive contribution. how many times do you need to repeat your belief that the MPL is a piece of trash? if that is your belief, fine and i will leave you in the peace of your own thoughts. but that should be end of story for you, too. pls could you learn the value of shutting up? or do you have an immense need to stroke your own ego?
2. airbusbatics - i think i can understand where you are coming from, but why the drama? puke all day if you want and who will care? btw, you need to revise your first post in the MPL UAE thread which you started: CA has in fact graduated cadets, and they are doing well so far, and not even you can deny that!
3. fourstripes - i found your comments were very helpful. i did not find it offensive at all, so pls keep posting. even if i understand where airbusbatics is coming from. definitely there was no need to say the comments came from the pilot of the year.
4. lolo - you need to relax
5. funnydatoday2 - get your facts straight my goddddddd 5J will never take the cadets if they will just crash the a320. it has got nothing to do with GMA. 5j isn't as stupid as you make them out to be.
6. bagoongathipon - are you a cadet in CA? has anyone there sued the former management? maybe that will settle a lot of the old wounds that keep coming up.
7. betpump5 - i told you to come to Angeles and i will treat you to a round of beer. but going to the school with a megaphone will make you look stupid.

you obnoxious d*cks should stick to facts. Ie, the way CA did this under old management is different from what Oxford and Flybe will be doing it, but is CA's product essentially wrong, and is CA's new management not doing anything about it but lie, in cahoots with CAAP?

let's remember that the MPL Training Document is a PANS document, not a SARPs document so the CAAP is supposed to have more room to maneuver, ergo, we will not know what CA and CAAP's plan is in this scenario until it is there staring us in the face. don't forget that the CAAP is equally responsible to the cadets who were given their SPL's.

if you want to praise the old management, just talk to cadets who were there (and a couple of whom i have been engaging in constant comms..). you'd find NO ONE sharing your affection. unless maybe you are a bar girl or a former girlfriend benefiting from the generous tips ....but i digress. i believe also in the end this argument is pointless.

if you wanna doubt the new management then you are free to form your own opinion. but so do the others who think they have done a superb job just keeping the place moving and delivering the first cadets!
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oh my god!!

over 70'000 hit on this topic.

who want join a school after reading all the problems that this academy has?.
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Old 25th May 2009, 18:47
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Bagoongathipon

It seems that you have a problem with the English language. Please do yourself, and everybody else, a big favour and read my posts again, think, and tell us where you see any basis for your personal attacks regarding my motivations.....

Take care with your Level 4 Aviation English. One of the pre-requisits is "comprehension", unless you will only fly domestic routes.

So..... keep the blue side up and relax. Blaming the "dead man" doesn't always work.
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Copy paste quote, copy paste quote, it seems you dont get the point Mr.Bagoongathipon.
Your english grammer needs a little work there.hehe. Seems like your a little nervous and tense writing your response lol... guess the hounds of CA kinda rode up your spinal chord there did'nt it..woof woof again to you, let me give you the biscuit, good dog... But i hate to say this, you made absolutely no reason in your last post. So no, you dont get a bisciut... you bad dog you....keep barking..
but hey. let me copy paste quote here so the dog can understand a little bit better:
genuine concern? Read his post carefully... Genuine concerns actually includes facts and ideas on how to solve problems... he has not even have his fact straighten out nor contribute any opinion that would benefit c.a. nor this forum
I have read he's post very carefully( and your's ) a concern is a concern, it does not need to have facts on how to solve a problem. It need only the heart to express ones feelings on a matter.
For instance, he is blaming CA why only 3 students has finished base check (12 touch and gos) while the next 7 hasnt even started yet. He said that CA is not doing anything to resolve this problem.

While it seems that, its a genuine concern proclaiming that CA should do something about this because the 7 students hasnt finished the Tags, this, concern is flawed. Primarily because CA has already turned overed the 7students to Cebu Pac already. In short, they are already employed by cebu pac and CAs work is finished already with them.
When did Traveller93 ever state such a thing.. please COPY PASTE QUOTE that. You seem to know how to do that right LASSIE
Copy, paste and quote. We do that so we can reference the points being debated upon and counter with facts. If there is BS among my post.. why not quote it?! Its better to quote it and rebutt it so we can understand each other
The word is REBUTTAL not REBUTT, get your grammer straight!And you have not COPY PASTE QUOTE, anything that can be debated...woof woof again, but no biscuit... you bad dog you...lol...
actually, its the word "OLD management!" Whenever i hear praises from that group, i really dont know where these comes from. Im sure 100% of the students hates the OLD management.. they never did anything! So, ironically, its really between the ppruners who says that they know everything and likes the old management against the students who experienced how the old management conducted their work!!
Your right about one thing, it is up to the ppruners to decide if the old management were good or not... not you. As i recall the 3rd batch, which is you right, had alot of problems with them, but you dug your own grave with them in many ways. not the other way round. Kawawa ka naman!
Atleast, the self sponsored students know they're TRYING to do something about it. When it materialize then you'll know. Unlike the old management who just talked BS (why did they accepted self sponsored students in the first place!?)
When was the last time you actually spoke or asked one of the self sponsored students their thoughts or feeling on the matter. Dont talk for them if you dont talk to them. From what i've heard the New management talks more BS than the old Management.

I must say, It's been fun, this COPY PASTE QUOTE, lol.

As for you MOUNTAINTOP2007:
5. funnydatoday2 - get your facts straight my goddddddd 5J will never take the cadets if they will just crash the a320. it has got nothing to do with GMA. 5j isn't as stupid as you make them out to be.
Dont make my President nore 5J seem or look stupid. Read my post again carefully. GMA knows what she's doing as does 5J. My facts are straight as is my loyalty to this country and its leaders. You should get the facts straight before posting here. I can see clearly you are part of the management. Shame on you for insinuating that GMA or 5J is stupid.

Have a funny day today 2 everyone and lets wish the next guys the best of wishes on their base flying soon.
And lets pray to the student of Clark who had that crash 2 months ago a safe recovery.
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students attacking students
Funndaytoday2:

Why are you attacking a fellow cadet in the forum? don't you think you should just talk to mr. bagoongathipon about his posts?

doesn't look good in the eyes of outsiders.

are you by any chance the PSG scholar of GMA?
What I decide to say and do here is entirely up to me. Welcome to the concept of a forum.
And its ok for certain people to be attacked and others not!??.Look and read the posts more clearly and you will see that certain people here are attacking and trying to silence the opinions and concerns of others.

You on the other hand, last i remember you got fired from CA a long time ago. And on the CA thread you did nothing but BS the school and the students. So I have to say this, I value more the posts of the hounds of CA than yours still. At least i know i can still have an intelligent conversation and discuss the concerns and problems of CA with them, but not with you FOURSTRIPES.

Good luck to the ones flying the base training.
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1.the 3 5j cadets can thank our President GMA, cause she inaugurated CA, GMA told the DG of the CAAP that it will be a national imbarresment [sic] if this course failed....


2. Dont make my President nore [sic] 5J seem or look stupid. Read my post again carefully. GMA knows what she's doing as does 5J. My facts are straight as is my loyalty to this country and its leaders.


somewhere in the middle, a transition happened, and yes you can blame me for pointing out it was you who insinuated that GMA and 5J are stupid. do you think GMA will tell CAAP to just go let the cadets fly just like that? whereupon CAAp will just force 5J to provide the aircraft? and 5J will just give the aircraft to CA? hahaha. it is obvious that you are trawling for info and changing the tone every which way so they seem like proof to the terrible stories you make up.

and stop saying you are a pinoy because you're obviously not.

no filipino misspells his english quite so badly.
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breaking news

heard additional 7 guys sponsored by 5J did TAGS today (or are still doing it now as of this time in DMIA)...not quite sure if they finished as that is a tough one if all of them can do 12 each...will keep you guys updated. (or maybe others have better informed news to confirm this...)

congrats to the guys who have done well!
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The problem remains....

Aside those 10 pilots accepted by 5J, who now have some sort of guaranteed employment, what will happen to the other >100 cadets at CA?

Believing they can be divided into 3 groups:

1 - Partly 5J sponsored
2 - Filippino self-sponsored
3 - Foreigner self-sponsored

Then what are the plans being implemented to resolve these situations?

Groups 1 and 2 (mainly #1) have(?) some chance to be absorbed by 5J just because they are Filipinos.

Group 3 have an enormous problem because they cannot be employed in the Filippines, and will have a worthless piece of paper if and when they eventually graduate from CA.

Do any of the enlightned commentators of this forum have any idea how to resolve this issue?

It is worth to remember that Alpha Aviation, as a corporation, took their money under the promise that the MPL would be accepted worldwide and employment granted (Filippines, Kazakhistan, Indonesia, England, etc. etc.).

Even today, Alpha Aviation is advertising their Sharjha academy without alerting the candidates to the airline sponsoring aspect of the MPL training and, I'm afraid, the whole nightmare will most probably be repeated.

So, what is the corporation Alpha Aviation doing to resolve the current problems? The operational junior management at CA must be aware of the plans. What are they? It shouldn't be a secret to the cadets.

I don't think any cadet is willing to forget all those millions of pesos paid for a service and they are entitled to get a valid pilot's licence.

I suggest that the focus be entirely on the CA cadets problems and not on the personal bickering going on at present.

Your CRM advises to concentrate on the problem....
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this time i would agree with the traveller93. as i have mentioned a couple of times before, all that matters now is how CA solves the situation of the non-cebu cadets.

i think even the partial cebu cadets will be absorbed by 5j.

i also know from the MPL UAE thread that their Sharjah academy is in partnership with Air Arabia, as such the 40 sectors will be in Air Arabia. their UK academy is not engaged in MPL at the moment.

Kazakstan? Indonesia? hmmmm....traveller93 must know a lot.

however, would CA be able to get the non-cebu cadets to Sharjah? just thinking out loud....
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Clark Aviation needs a fairy god mother right now!.
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And lots of cash to burn.
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