Clark Institute of Aviation
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: carson city
Age: 53
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
@ aerocadet
How come the MPL program chooses the A-320 or a B-737NG for the trainee's type rating?
Maybe the others in this forum can correct me if i am wrong but i see no safety or training issue with doing an MPL directed towards the bigger jets or the other narrow bodies. In theory, it should be possible to do that.
Choosing the A320 or the B737NG i think is more of an economics decision: the cost of doing base training TAGS on a B777 (as what another Asian airline was said to be contemplating) or an A340 would be prohibitive! Until the Civil Aviation Authorities allow the TAGS to be done on the simulators (not gonna happen in the near future, i guess), i think most MPL programs will be done using the narrow body jets.
then among the narrow bodies, it just comes down to which aircraft types being flown right now has the most number -- likely the A320 and B737NG.
My own question is this -- would the MPL make sense for the small regional and business jets? Or why not extend it to the increasingly popular turboprops like ATRs, Dorniers, Embraers, etc., for which most airlines take in low hour pilots anyway....
Maybe the others in this forum can correct me if i am wrong but i see no safety or training issue with doing an MPL directed towards the bigger jets or the other narrow bodies. In theory, it should be possible to do that.
Choosing the A320 or the B737NG i think is more of an economics decision: the cost of doing base training TAGS on a B777 (as what another Asian airline was said to be contemplating) or an A340 would be prohibitive! Until the Civil Aviation Authorities allow the TAGS to be done on the simulators (not gonna happen in the near future, i guess), i think most MPL programs will be done using the narrow body jets.
then among the narrow bodies, it just comes down to which aircraft types being flown right now has the most number -- likely the A320 and B737NG.
My own question is this -- would the MPL make sense for the small regional and business jets? Or why not extend it to the increasingly popular turboprops like ATRs, Dorniers, Embraers, etc., for which most airlines take in low hour pilots anyway....
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: mindanao
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What Happened To 1st Batch
heard the 1st batch still waiting also you need 12 takeoffs and landing in a 320 to pass and that cebu pac didnt want to use their a320.
also heard that the stores here is bankrupt and that the people buy their own coffee, gosh management must be using the money again
also heard that the stores here is bankrupt and that the people buy their own coffee, gosh management must be using the money again
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: carson city
Age: 53
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
???
like what's been said, initial 10 guys are already with cebu pac. last i heard they have dates targeted. just hoping no AOG's happen and those guys will do landings and take offs very soon....i guess as fellow (and would be!) aviators, we should all wish them the best of luck!
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: clark
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
heard the 1st batch still waiting also you need 12 takeoffs and landing in a 320 to pass and that cebu pac didnt want to use their a320.
also heard that the stores here is bankrupt and that the people buy their own coffee, gosh management must be using the money again
also heard that the stores here is bankrupt and that the people buy their own coffee, gosh management must be using the money again
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: mindanao
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Stories Wrong
HAHAHA, stories are right, the only students who will be lucky enough to graduate are the ones of cebu pac, i pity all those other students who are not sponsored by cebu pac.
heard that the 2 bumbays are blacklisted in the philippines and are wanted by immigration for not having work permits.
hope the rest of the foreigners there have work permits as CID will be checking them all soon.
my stories are correct, management is just trying to deny them to the students.....
did the 1st batch of last year graduate, no BS when you answer.....
heard that the 2 bumbays are blacklisted in the philippines and are wanted by immigration for not having work permits.
hope the rest of the foreigners there have work permits as CID will be checking them all soon.
my stories are correct, management is just trying to deny them to the students.....
did the 1st batch of last year graduate, no BS when you answer.....
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Philippines
Age: 40
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
would like to bump this thread to say that 5 100+hour single-engine student pilots from Clark Institute of Aviation just did circuits with one of Cebu Pacific's A320's at RPLC.
MPL = now we know it works.
time for the school to address the non-Cebu Pacific-sponsored students.
MPL = now we know it works.
time for the school to address the non-Cebu Pacific-sponsored students.
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: carson city
Age: 53
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
congratulations
cheers to cadets who did well: base training is always risky, but good training lessens the risk to acceptable minimal levels!
paolylo, any word on reaction/ actual comments from Cebu Pacific pilots on the performance of the MPL cadets?
paolylo, any word on reaction/ actual comments from Cebu Pacific pilots on the performance of the MPL cadets?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Philippines
Age: 40
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
@mountaintop2007
none yet. but looking at their circuits from afar, all of them landed on the same spot on the threshold, retracted their flaps on schedule, and the sound of the engines slowing down from MAN FLEX was very audible. i wouldn't know what went on inside the cockpit.
none yet. but looking at their circuits from afar, all of them landed on the same spot on the threshold, retracted their flaps on schedule, and the sound of the engines slowing down from MAN FLEX was very audible. i wouldn't know what went on inside the cockpit.
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Abeam ZULU
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wouldn't really be too quick in saying that the MPL program works until the cadets are released from IOE. But still, that's no small feat what they just accomplished.
Kudos to the 5J scholars!
Kudos to the 5J scholars!
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Area 51
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MPL cadets
Their instructors tell me most of them are good ... it ain't over until the fat lady sings ... so release from IOE will be the final milestone ... congratulations and all the best to the MPL pioneers
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: carson city
Age: 53
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
@Toulost
Wouldn't really be too quick in saying that the MPL program works until the cadets are released from IOE. But still, that's no small feat what they just accomplished.
I second the motion! Hope we hear from the gentlemen who did the exercise here (hopefully the cadets themselves, but most especially the pilots) how it was...can't wait to read their thoughts.
happy flying everyone!
I second the motion! Hope we hear from the gentlemen who did the exercise here (hopefully the cadets themselves, but most especially the pilots) how it was...can't wait to read their thoughts.
happy flying everyone!
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: South
Posts: 171
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Everyone, I have followed this thread with interest.
Is everyone at CIA on the Cebu-pacific sponsorship scheme - where 50% of the course fee is paid by Cebu pacific?
If not, do the cadets realise that the MPL is worthless? The MPL schemes that have happened in Europe (Denmark and England) have been airline specific so training is managed with airline SOPs from day 1 with a Type Rating on the aircraft that the airline operated. This is the correct procedure for an MPL course.
If CIA have a generic MPL course (or a course based on the Cebu Pacific SOPs), then anyone who is not "guaranteed" a Cebu Pacific position will come out with a worthless license.
PAL will not touch you, neither would Air Philippines, Asian Spirit(whatever the new name is) etc. Also, you will not be able to fly GA (General Aviation) as you do not have a CPL ME/IR.
Does everyone at CIA know this? If not, then I am so sorry for you. because the MPL is worthless if you are not guaranteed a job at an airline. this is not my opinion. This is 100% fact based on what is happening here in the EU.
Is everyone at CIA on the Cebu-pacific sponsorship scheme - where 50% of the course fee is paid by Cebu pacific?
If not, do the cadets realise that the MPL is worthless? The MPL schemes that have happened in Europe (Denmark and England) have been airline specific so training is managed with airline SOPs from day 1 with a Type Rating on the aircraft that the airline operated. This is the correct procedure for an MPL course.
If CIA have a generic MPL course (or a course based on the Cebu Pacific SOPs), then anyone who is not "guaranteed" a Cebu Pacific position will come out with a worthless license.
PAL will not touch you, neither would Air Philippines, Asian Spirit(whatever the new name is) etc. Also, you will not be able to fly GA (General Aviation) as you do not have a CPL ME/IR.
Does everyone at CIA know this? If not, then I am so sorry for you. because the MPL is worthless if you are not guaranteed a job at an airline. this is not my opinion. This is 100% fact based on what is happening here in the EU.
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: South
Posts: 171
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Lolo,
thank you for your reply. My post was in no way meant to put the Philippines on a lower standing. I was not trying to make it sound like Clark was a bad school. I have read the posts and I have not formed an opinon due to the negative things that were said here.
I am purely here to tell you about what the MPL is and how it is viewd in the EU.
Your post was saying that the MPL taught at Clark is continually improving etc and give it a chance. Fair enough.
But if I joined Clark and spent $35000, I would still come out in 2009/2010 with a worthless licence. That is the truth. Do you think I care that the failings of my course helps cadets 1 year or 2 years after? Do you think my parents care about other cadets when I do not have a job? But it is ok because it is a "work in progress"?
If you are not affiliated with a partner airline like Cebu Pacific form the begining, then you will NEVER get a job. This is truth. The MPL is airline specific. Ther proof is there.
I am not putting anyone down. I am just wondering what is the opinion of cadets in Clark at present? Have they been told that if they are not Cebu Pacific cadets, then the MPL is worthless?
You do not need to advertise Philippines! I love the country. I am half english, half malay. The philippines is VERY underated. It is a beautiful place with great people and a VERY HIGH level of English. But this is irrelevant. Because if Clark was in England, the licence would still be worthless!
thank you for your reply. My post was in no way meant to put the Philippines on a lower standing. I was not trying to make it sound like Clark was a bad school. I have read the posts and I have not formed an opinon due to the negative things that were said here.
I am purely here to tell you about what the MPL is and how it is viewd in the EU.
Your post was saying that the MPL taught at Clark is continually improving etc and give it a chance. Fair enough.
But if I joined Clark and spent $35000, I would still come out in 2009/2010 with a worthless licence. That is the truth. Do you think I care that the failings of my course helps cadets 1 year or 2 years after? Do you think my parents care about other cadets when I do not have a job? But it is ok because it is a "work in progress"?
If you are not affiliated with a partner airline like Cebu Pacific form the begining, then you will NEVER get a job. This is truth. The MPL is airline specific. Ther proof is there.
I am not putting anyone down. I am just wondering what is the opinion of cadets in Clark at present? Have they been told that if they are not Cebu Pacific cadets, then the MPL is worthless?
You do not need to advertise Philippines! I love the country. I am half english, half malay. The philippines is VERY underated. It is a beautiful place with great people and a VERY HIGH level of English. But this is irrelevant. Because if Clark was in England, the licence would still be worthless!
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: South
Posts: 171
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Lolo,
the scary thing is that I don't think students were given the full picture and were probably told that the MPL is greta blah blah blah.
YES! The MPL is 'probably' the course of the future because this training scheme can supply the deman for pilots within a year compared to 2 years with an fATPL+TR.
But that is that the MPL will ONLY be airline specific.
All you need to do is make a quick phonecall to Air Philippines, Asian Spirit, and |PAL and ask the HR department whether (if there was a need for pilots) would they consider an MPL license? Their answer would be no.
I hope ALL cadets not affiliated with Cebu Pacific were made aware of this.
Lolo are you a cadet there?
the scary thing is that I don't think students were given the full picture and were probably told that the MPL is greta blah blah blah.
YES! The MPL is 'probably' the course of the future because this training scheme can supply the deman for pilots within a year compared to 2 years with an fATPL+TR.
But that is that the MPL will ONLY be airline specific.
All you need to do is make a quick phonecall to Air Philippines, Asian Spirit, and |PAL and ask the HR department whether (if there was a need for pilots) would they consider an MPL license? Their answer would be no.
I hope ALL cadets not affiliated with Cebu Pacific were made aware of this.
Lolo are you a cadet there?
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: South
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Have been watching this thread with interest since my time in the Phils, am EXTREMELY glad that the cadets have got into the cockpit at long last.. you are a credit to the industry and to yourselves, I keep my fingers crossed that you go on to have long illustrious careers and manage to stick two fingers up at the doubters and the people who've tried their very hardest to ruin it all for you.
Congratulations - you've deserved it!
Congratulations - you've deserved it!