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NutLoose 19th May 2022 12:43


For those looking for a translation: Woman’s voice — plane’s computer system listing failure: * Left engine fire * Right engine fire * Fly-by-wire system malfunction (СДУ) Pilot try not to loose their **** and discuss when to eject. Screaming at the end.
Though I rather liked this reply


Pilot: We r f*cked, can you help Alexa. Alexa: Let me find you a flying tank turret.

Lonewolf_50 19th May 2022 12:55


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11232115)
hasn’t anyone told the Russians that it will be under the terms of reparations

Given that there is as yet no armistice / no ceasefire agreement, how can you make that assertion? While I would (as an observer) prefer to see any such agreement include such a provision, and I am sure that President Zelensky would demand such, there isn't even an agreement on the table to haggle over yet.

ORAC: thanks for that link, very thought provoking. And quite frankly, it's depressing from the point of view of a career military guy. (How can you treat your soldiers that way?) One particular point among the many made is the old self injury theme. Soldiers doing the self inflicted wounds to get out of the war was something that came up in Viet Nam in some cases.
Spoiler
 


dead_pan 19th May 2022 13:24


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11232321)
In the meantime, a reported tape of a shot down crew.

Jeez, will she just shut up?! Isn't there a big red mute button somewhere? He probably ejected to get away from her nagging voice.

dead_pan 19th May 2022 13:28


Originally Posted by skridlov (Post 11232352)
That the poor brave b4stards who have been defending the Azovstal complex will probably be treated as "war criminals" is beyond tragic and infuriating.

I'm amazed the Ukrainian leadership instructed them to surrender. Do they honestly believe Russia will stick to its word after everything that they've said and done in relation to these troops? As for a prisoner exchange, unless Ukraine have captured a swathe of the oligarch's kids, there's nothing Russia would be willing to trade for them.

NutLoose 19th May 2022 13:41


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11232391)
Given that there is as yet no armistice / no ceasefire agreement, how can you make that assertion? While I would (as an observer) prefer to see any such agreement include such a provision, and I am sure that President Zelensky would demand such, there isn't even an agreement on the table to haggle over yet.

It's called tongue in cheek....

Usertim 19th May 2022 13:58

Interview with SU34 pilot
 
I will make a leap and guess this is the pilot of the plane in the audio recordings above.


I hesitated to post as the last one i posted from same badgering interviewer received some negativity ( the guy flying SEAD). This one is out and out running bombing missions with FAB500s etc. and seems a quite senior officer.

Middle 1/3 is all politics, , beginning and end is mainly aviation

DaveReidUK 19th May 2022 14:34


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11232315)
As a channel 4 report indicated, Aeroflot doesn't actually own most of its aircraft (much like many airlines) and that any action against them is futile.

The latest sanctions have nothing to do with who owns Aeroflot's aircraft.

BlankBox 19th May 2022 16:16


Holy Sh*t!! :sad:

[email protected] 19th May 2022 17:29


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11232433)
The latest sanctions have nothing to do with who owns Aeroflot's aircraft.

maybe not but stopping them using or selling their landing slots at LHR is a pretty pathetic sanction

Beamr 19th May 2022 18:52

Ukrainians may be having a surprise ally, climate.

Siberia is burning, there are already 4000 wildfires reported this year and there's forecast of up to 30 degrees celsius heat waves coming up that will worsen the situation. The fires are reported to be reaching a scale in which the civilian fire fighting capacity can't manage.

In previous years the army has been the biggest contributor in fighting the fires but now the military is sent abroad and may have to be called back for fire fighting. Putin may be facing a situation where he needs to decide which is worse for his regime: uncontrolled forest fires in unprecedented scale or defeat in Ukraine.

Moscow times has some photos of the fires going on and quoting Putin that last years situation must not repeat (largest wildfires in recorded history). But this season the military is pre-occupied elsewhere...

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...-photos-a77647

HOVIS 19th May 2022 19:09


Originally Posted by BlankBox (Post 11232472)

Are they Russian or Ukraine tanks?

Beamr 19th May 2022 19:12


Originally Posted by HOVIS (Post 11232501)
Are they Russian or Ukraine tanks?

the " O" markings suggest those are Russian.
Apparently the mechanised battalion that didn't make it cross the river.

macmp419 19th May 2022 20:00


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11232504)
Apparently the mechanised battalion that didn't make it cross the river.

Agreed Beamr those images have been doing the rounds for a few days from that RF farce.

No idea how accurate this is. If there is any truth in it, I can only assume that “O” refers to RF forces that crossed into Ukraine from the puppet state?


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3ebb1eb56.jpeg

NutLoose 19th May 2022 21:10

Is Christmas about to come early?


macmp419 19th May 2022 21:44

Posted earlier in Jet Blast, and worthy of an hour or so of your time.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/inde...8-bcccde927d06

Are they finally now going to get it?


Wokkafans 19th May 2022 22:26

Another failed Russian river crossing.


Wokkafans 19th May 2022 22:39

More from the earlier failed crossing that BlankBox posted.


Addlepate 20th May 2022 07:28


Originally Posted by macmp419 (Post 11232518)
Agreed Beamr those images have been doing the rounds for a few days from that RF farce.

No idea how accurate this is. If there is any truth in it, I can only assume that “O” refers to RF forces that crossed into Ukraine from the puppet state?

I've seen limited evidence for these tactical markings so far apart from Z and V, but co-incidentally saw some shots on TV this morning of Tigr-M in Donbas carrying the 'O' marking, and a not very military looking car carrying a Russian flag and the 'Z in a square'.

ORAC 20th May 2022 08:04

Rolled up thread on Russian tank reserves.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...355366912.html

ORAC 20th May 2022 08:12

https://archive.ph/2022.05.19-230449...xecutions.html

New Evidence Shows How Russian Soldiers Executed Men in Bucha


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