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B Fraser 28th Jun 2022 16:48

If the Ukrainians open a branch of Greggs in every city, town and village, the shelling will soon stop.

Dan Gerous 28th Jun 2022 18:24


Originally Posted by Thrust Augmentation (Post 11253008)


Hey, how come I don't get to be the capcom pic?

Winemaker 28th Jun 2022 19:22

The New York Times reports Turkey has agreed to allow Sweden and Finland into NATO. That's gonna P*** Putin off.....

NATO will formally invite Finland and Sweden to join the alliance on Wednesday after Turkey lifted its veto on their membership, the secretary-general said Tuesday evening.

etudiant 28th Jun 2022 19:26


Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever (Post 11253037)
Being more competent than his predecessors is not setting the bar very high. ....

In any case if the reports of him drinking a litre of Vodka a day are true I would suggest that his tenure will be as short and unremarkable as his predecessors.

Not sure whether it was Wolfe or Nelson who was maligned to the king as a drunk, to which the king replied that he'd send a case of whatever that man was drinking to his other military chiefs.
It is hard to see what difference a new general makes to a mud and blood engagement such as is currently under way. However, if he makes the logistics run smoothly, Putin should double his vodka allowance.

NutLoose 28th Jun 2022 19:44

Well they pickled Nelson in Brandy or Rum to return him home, having this chap pickled in Vodka simply cuts out the middleman when they return him home.

rattman 28th Jun 2022 20:17

Ukraine might have been busy, explosion reported at the Kursk airbase, the port of Berdyansk plus another 2 ammo dumps

Germany and Belgium are transferring 6 PzH-2000 (3 each)

Oh the big new, agreement between Turkey, Sweden and Finland for nato membership has been agreed

etudiant 28th Jun 2022 20:19


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11253116)
Well they pickled Nelson in Brandy or Rum to return him home, having this chap pickled in Vodka simply cuts out the middleman when they return him home.

Reports are that Nelson's cask had been drunk dry by the time he got back home. So as you say, much more efficient and less troublesome to prepickle the body in question.

etudiant 28th Jun 2022 20:23


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11253128)
Ukraine might have been busy, explosion reported at the Kursk airbase, the port of Berdyansk plus another 2 ammo dumps

Germany and Belgium are transferring 6 PzH-2000 (3 each)

Oh the big new, agreement between Turkey, Sweden and Finland for nato membership has been agreed

Ukraine is getting to be the 21st Century Spain, the place where modern military technology gets wrung out.
Hard to see six howitzers making an impact, unless they really have 'silver bullet' shells.

uxb99 28th Jun 2022 20:30


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11253131)
Ukraine is getting to be the 21st Century Spain, the place where modern military technology gets wrung out.
Hard to see six howitzers making an impact, unless they really have 'silver bullet' shells.

Don't forget Spain was the proving ground for the Nazi war machine. So who's training who?

Beamr 28th Jun 2022 20:30

Significant. There may be even further development in the following two days. I'd like to see Putins reaction to this, as it all kicked off from his attack to Ukraine to prevent NATO expansion as one of his excuses.


Tartiflette Fan 28th Jun 2022 20:52


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11253131)
Hard to see six howitzers making an impact, unless they really have 'silver bullet' shells.

Well they are not the first units sent, but of course, you may normally use your "blind eye " when reading about supplies to Ukraine.

They have longer range, are much more accurate than Soviet artillery and so are a force multiplier able to threaten ammo dumps, command posts and the artillery doing so much damage to the Ukrainian forces.

etudiant 28th Jun 2022 20:59


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11253138)
Don't forget Spain was the proving ground for the Nazi war machine. So who's training who?

Here it is just a NATO refresher course, verifying that the various smart gear purchased at some expense in the past two decades is operationally effective.
Despite Putin's fears, it seems very unlikely that NATO will launch an invasion of Russia.

rattman 28th Jun 2022 21:05


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11253150)
Well they are not the first units sent, but of course, you may normally use your "blind eye " when reading about supplies to Ukraine.

They have longer range, are much more accurate than Soviet artillery and so are a force multiplier able to threaten ammo dumps, command posts and the artillery doing so much damage to the Ukrainian forces.

And are the best platform for use of excalaber rounds which are now rumored that US has withdrawn its objection and any country that has can supply if they chose

henra 28th Jun 2022 21:41


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11253155)
And are the best platform for use of excalaber rounds which are now rumored that US has withdrawn its objection and any country that has can supply if they chose

And they can fire salvos of six rounds in a row which by altering trajectory hit the target simultaneously. Which makes for quite a big blast.

rattman 28th Jun 2022 22:02


Originally Posted by henra (Post 11253169)
And they can fire salvos of six rounds in a row which by altering trajectory hit the target simultaneously. Which makes for quite a big blast.

MSRI is the term (multiple rounds simultanious impact) and heres the science behind ithttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214914717300600

Casar can do 3 round MSRI PzH-2000 can do 6

fdr 28th Jun 2022 22:11


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11252993)
For fdr: I think you'll find that Corn Cob Doug's success at Inchon/Incheon was in 1950. It was part of a Police Action under UN auspices. ;)

D'oh! CCD had a .32 ACP Colt 1903, S/N 372130, given to him by Westpoint. Mixed my metaphors... calibers. "'n 45 should be 'n 32... "

The "land of the morning calm" may be a preview of the outcome in Ukraine, should Russia not reverse its unfortunate choice of camping grounds. departing out of Gimpo or Incheon to the east was always interesting at night, off to the south is a sea of light and associated activity of an industrious country. off to the north, jet black darkness. Not a good look. A similar paranoia exists in NK as in Russia or is at least applied as a casus belli.

Kherson is a potential Incheon parallel, but then, should Belarus become a card-carrying player again for Russia, then Ukraine faces its own problems there. The north border is pretty well surveilled nowadays, so surprise is not likely.



Beamr 29th Jun 2022 06:20

Russia destroyed a shopping mall with a cruise missile. Looking at that video it is one big missile. Resembles of kh-22 which would make it air launched and that TU-22M's are in theatre.


TWT 29th Jun 2022 06:39

https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...ukraine-2022-6



Russia has most likely been launching heavy 1960s-era anti-ship missiles into Ukraine, which could cause mass casualties, Ukrainian and British officials have warned.

The UK Defense Ministry said the 5.5 ton Kh-22 missile was designed to destroy aircraft carriers using a nuclear warhead. The agency warned that using the missile in ground attacks "can cause severe collateral damage and casualties," because it's inaccurate. However, the agency did not specify where these missiles are being used.

The ministry added that it thinks Russia is relying on these missiles because it's running short of more precise modern missiles.

M609 29th Jun 2022 08:23

And as a side note, this morning Russian hackers are attacking Nowegian goverment and financial websites.
So far the website of the Workplace Safety Authority, the main citizen-goverment portal. (Where we can communicate with all goverment functions on the web) and the national login sollution for banks are down.

All confirmed by the gov.

kamanya 29th Jun 2022 08:28

This dude Igor Ivanovich Strelkov is formerly the head of and arguably central to the separatist breakaway of the Donbas. He’s also on a war crimes list for being involved in shooting down that airline

He’s no less against Ukraine but has become more and more scathing of Putins handling of the war. He has quite a busy Telegram channel. One of his latest…

“During yesterday's day and last night, the enemy, hiding behind weak rearguards, carried out a quick withdrawal from Lisichansk and its environs. In some areas, the retreat of the enemy was so fast that the units of the LDNR Armed Forces were not able to closely pursue him due to the almost complete absence of military wheeled and tracked vehicles.
Currently, fierce battles are only taking place "in the neck" of the bag, where the enemy holds positions in order to give way to as many of his troops as possible. Up to half of the city has already been abandoned by the enemy, it is being cleaned up. The enemy also abandoned their positions on the Seversky Donets north of Lisichansk, and our units had already crossed the river there.
Apparently, the battle for Lysichansk will end during the current (or a little longer) day, and the general operation - this week.
The operation will end when our troops, pursuing the retreating units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, hit the newly organized defense line near Seversk.

In general, the enemy has already suffered and will inevitably suffer heavy losses during the retreat (primarily in technology). But he will retain the bulk of the experienced manpower. In this case, on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the primacy of military expediency over political propaganda is evident. From the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - a tactical victory. - The creation of a "cauldron" with the complete destruction of the Svereodonets-Lisichanskaya enemy grouping was not achieved, despite all efforts and very sensitive (in the aggregate for a month and a half) losses. As a "plus" - Lisichansk will not be destroyed to the ground during long street battles.

In general - our "tortured" Lisichansk.”


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