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Isn't that a land route?

Just how desperate must the Russians be to deploy N/Boats for that purpose? Also, given the (comparative restricted) size of the Black Sea and the numerous NATO assets available, how likely are their movements to remain unknown to NATO and it's allies?

MPN11

17th May 2022 12:50

With 4 Mx per (diesel-elsctric) boat they could still cause chaos.

And what ROE would/could be applied against them?

RAFEngO74to09

17th May 2022 16:17

ORAC	17th May 2022 18:11

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All Russian Nuclear Subs In The Black Sea Fleet Have Set Sail.

Not difficult - because they don’t have any.

Black Sea sub fleet consists of 7 diesel electric Kilo class, of which 2 are in the Med and 2 in maintenance - leaving 3 active.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...marine_Brigade

The Kilo class are ASW/ASuW shallow water hunter killers, they carry a mix of 18 conventional torpedoes and Kalibr anti-ship missiles plus 24 mines.

They do not carry nukes.

macmp419

17th May 2022 19:21

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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 (Post 11231577)

(10) Intel Air & Sea on Twitter: "Ukrainian forces training on Brimstone missiles recently https://t.co/0R4CYanyne" / Twitter

Good to see if true..

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/brit...XLRKLq4Lc15aEY

NutLoose

17th May 2022 19:29

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MAINJAFAD

17th May 2022 20:12

According to the UAF, Brimstone's first example of Tank turret throwing on display on the target at the rear of the two struck.

NutLoose

17th May 2022 20:13

Reported to be released tapes of the Moskva distress calls

NutLoose

17th May 2022 20:35

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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 (Post 11231577)

(10) Intel Air & Sea on Twitter: "Ukrainian forces training on Brimstone missiles recently https://t.co/0R4CYanyne" / Twitter

it would appear they simply bolted an aircraft triple launcher to a frame to make it vehicle mounted, simple, efficient, quick to develop and easily hidden in a myriad of vehicles.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ges-in-ukraine

With the fit being relatively simple to build into the back of a truck, it does make one wonder if it would take much fettling to nail a couple of triple launchers on the pylons of something like an SU-25

Richard W

17th May 2022 21:56

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Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11231681)

With the fit being relatively simple to build into the back of a truck, it does make one wonder if it would take much fettling to nail a couple of triple launchers on the pylons of something like an SU-25

That's not where the problems arise. There are two major issues:

Getting the lay-on information from the aircraft sensors to the launcher. The Russians were apparently concerned at how much the Indians had leaked when integrating ASRAAM onto their Russian-built aircraft.
Whether they're safe to launch. Air-launched missiles are perfectly capable of colliding with their launch platform just after launch, and each aircraft type is different. By contrast, there is plenty of experience with the ground-based rig.

NutLoose

17th May 2022 23:36

Thanks, more consequences of Russias invasion

https://www.defensenews.com/global/a...l-with-russia/

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NEW DELHI — India has halted negotiations with Russia for the former to acquire 10 Kamov Ka-31 airborne early warning helicopters for $520 million, following uncertainties in arms supplies amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

The Indian government indefinitely suspended the negotiations with Rosoboronexport and original equipment manufacturer Russian Helicopters, an Indian Defence Ministry official told Defense New on condition of anonymity. The official, who was not authorized to speak to the press, said the government-to-government deal added that the suspension is due to concerns over Moscow’s ability to execute orders as well as issues related to payment transfers.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/...n-helicopters/

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India has scrapped a planned procurement of 48 Russian Mi-17 V5 helicopters in favor of local production, India Today revealed, citing sources.

The outlet underlined that the decision was made before the war broke out in Ukraine and is not connected with it.

However, Indian publication Economic Times reported earlier that there were concerns in India that the war would have a “medium to long term” impact on the aircraft’s maintenance, as most of its “key engine parts” are sourced from Ukrainian manufacturers.

Cat Techie

17th May 2022 23:44

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Originally Posted by Richard W (Post 11231710)

That's not where the problems arise. There are two major issues:

Getting the lay-on information from the aircraft sensors to the launcher. The Russians were apparently concerned at how much the Indians had leaked when integrating ASRAAM onto their Russian-built aircraft.
Whether they're safe to launch. Air-launched missiles are perfectly capable of colliding with their launch platform just after launch, and each aircraft type is different. By contrast, there is plenty of experience with the ground-based rig.

Certainly with the second. The missile that doesn't accelerate properly isn't going to fly into its launcher on the ground that is not going forward. Believe the ground launchers are using the millimetric seekers so aimed as your target is over there, it looks like that so go and hunt it. MainJafad will be up to speed on the system. And a Truck is not likely to be shot down by the MEZ that all the SAM assets about has made UKR.

ORAC	18th May 2022 05:14

Reputedly out for what they thought was some bedroom gymnastics. No indication of ranks….

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Ukraine's Military: High-ranking Russian military officials killed by Melitopol guerrillas. Russian occupying forces are “trying to hide this situation,” the Zaporizhzhia Regional Military Administration reported on its Telegram channel on May 17.

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Yesterday, Russians discovered two bodies in the morning hours in the area of house No. 52 on Heroes of Ukraine St. in Melitopol, a hotbed of Ukrainian resistance. The deceased were two high ranking Russians that have met a timely end by the hands of local partisans.

ORAC	18th May 2022 05:26

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BEagle

18th May 2022 07:21

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Reported to be released tapes of the Moskva distress calls

I don't believe that recording to be authentic. Background klaxon is probably an audio file and the voices are describing Moskva damage information freely available from the Internet.

DaveReidUK

18th May 2022 08:35

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Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11231793)

The deceased were two high ranking Russians that have met a timely end by the hands of local partisans.

I bet they were glad it wasn't an untimely end ...

NutLoose

18th May 2022 09:08

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Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 11231834)

I don't believe that recording to be authentic. Background klaxon is probably an audio file and the voices are describing Moskva damage information freely available from the Internet.

I had a little doubt too, but the Daily Mail also ran the story, not that it's a guarantee of anything.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-Ukraine.html

dead_pan

18th May 2022 10:03

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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD (Post 11231675)

According to the UAF, Brimstone's first example of Tank turret throwing on display on the target at the rear of the two struck.

Could someone enlighten me as to how these weapons would operate in this situation i.e. are they pre-programmed with the general target location and then use their MMW seeker for terminal guidance? Also, is the seeker capable of discriminating between say a tank and something like a truck?

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