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Ninthace 12th May 2022 21:10


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11229386)
Ukrainian army in first, that I am aware of, use of ground launched Brimstone. Anyone recognise the launcher?

There was footage last week on here of a recovered Brimstone rocket motor that the Russians had found.

ORAC 12th May 2022 22:54

If at first you don’t succeed…


NutLoose 13th May 2022 08:59

Shifted away from the dock


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3dd8dcc73.jpeg




More strikes on the Island. BIG image first

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSm88YWW...jpg&name=large


What appears to be remaining air defence


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a94cdf167a.png



NutLoose 13th May 2022 12:07

Here is a turn up for the books, Civilians forcibly recruited into the Russian army from the held Donbass region refused to fight in the war and fled to the Russian border where the guards are threatening to shoot them, so they are stuck there.


macmp419 13th May 2022 14:04

Turkey looks unwilling to back Finland & Sweden

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-n...#liveblog-body

cynicalint 13th May 2022 14:09


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11229596)
Shifted away from the dock

Certainly looks underwater to me!


NutLoose 13th May 2022 14:12

It looks like they are running a pump on it.

BTW, hints as to what might be putin Putin in the grave.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-n...#liveblog-body


Russian agents 'believe Putin is terminally ill' after top-secret memo, report claims

Speculation around Vladimir Putin's health has circulated for several years, but has only intensified since he ordered the invasion of Ukraine.

Now, New Lines magazine reports it has obtained an audio recording of an oligarch close to the Kremlin who describes the Russian president as "very ill with blood cancer", although the type of blood cancer was not specified.

It says a "top-secret memo" was sent out by the headquarters of the FSB, Russia’s domestic security agency, to all its regional directors.

Christo Grozev, the head of investigations at Bellingcat, a well-respected forensic research website, said: "The memo instructed the regional chiefs not to trust rumours about the president's terminal condition.

"The directors were further instructed to dispel any rumors to this effect that may spread within the local FSB units. According to a source at one of the regional units who saw the memo, this unprecedented instruction had the opposite effect, with most FSB officers suddenly coming to believe that Putin indeed suffers from a serious medical condition."

The magazine goes on to detail evidence of apparent physical ailments suffered by the Russian leader, including observations about his walking - as mentioned in this story published by Sky News earlier this week.

It also refers to his changed appearance in recent times, including the fact his face now is significantly puffier - and suggests this could signify some form of medication for an illness.

Ashley Grossman, a professor of endocrinology at Oxford University, told New Lines: "Putin has always been a very fit-looking man with a slightly gaunt appearance.



[email protected] 13th May 2022 15:55

Whatever he has got, I hope it hurts like hell............

DaveReidUK 13th May 2022 16:04

Putin terminally ill, and beginning to think what legacy he might leave behind him, isn't necessarily good news ...

t43562 13th May 2022 16:24


Originally Posted by macmp419 (Post 11229744)
Turkey looks unwilling to back Finland & Sweden

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-n...#liveblog-body

I think Erdogan is merely using his chance to extract concessions, quid-pro-quo or whatever you want to call it. He has a position of power and will use it to get what he wants. How can one blame him - other people seem to be causing **** about treaties at a time when you might expect some unity because presumably they see a chance for advantage now so why wouldn't he?

NutLoose 13th May 2022 16:26

I do wonder if Russian cancer treatment, if that what it is, is up to the Western standards. It would be ironic if in isolating himself from the west he has accelerated his own demise. We can but hope.

ORAC 13th May 2022 17:49

BREAKING: Russia has suspended electricity exports to Finland.

Finland currently gets 10% of its electricity from Russia. Inter RAO, Russia's largest electricity company, will no longer supply power to Finland due to problems in receiving payments, the Finnish company Fingrid announced on Friday.

Inter RAO's Finnish subsidiary, RAO Nordic Oy, said the export will be suspended as of Saturday. . The Finnish operator stressed that the electric network is not under threat, saying: "In recent times, imported electricity from Russia has covered approximately 10% of Finland’s total consumption."

Reima Paivinen, senior vice president of Fingrid, said: “The lack of electricity import from Russia will be compensated by importing more electricity from Sweden and by generating more electricity in Finland."

Fly-by-Wife 13th May 2022 17:51


Originally Posted by t43562 (Post 11229801)
I think Erdogan is merely using his chance to extract concessions, quid-pro-quo or whatever you want to call it. He has a position of power and will use it to get what he wants. How can one blame him - other people seem to be causing **** about treaties at a time when you might expect some unity because presumably they see a chance for advantage now so why wouldn't he?

Hmmm, I wonder what they might want?

Turkey has wanted to be a member of the EU for some time. Tricky, Turkey in the EU for Finland & Sweden in NATO... Not sure about that. There are various concerns about things like human rights, Cyprus, adjacency to Iran, Iraq, Syria.

Fly-by-Wife 13th May 2022 17:53


BREAKING: Russia has suspended electricity exports to Finland.
Well that will help their income - not.

WhatsaLizad? 13th May 2022 18:04


Originally Posted by Fly-by-Wife (Post 11229838)
Hmmm, I wonder what they might want?

Turkey has wanted to be a member of the EU for some time. Tricky, Turkey in the EU for Finland & Sweden in NATO... Not sure about that. There are various concerns about things like human rights, Cyprus, adjacency to Iran, Iraq, Syria.

Whatever they want, one might guess the Kurds will somehow end up as a silent non-voting, non-invited member of negotiations.
The best they can hope for is having a choice as to which Bus to be tossed under.

NutLoose 13th May 2022 18:22


Originally Posted by Fly-by-Wife (Post 11229839)
Well that will help their income - not.


I agree, and what they do not seem to understand is that threatening countries with energy and cutting it off simply means those countries will never put themselves into that situation again, so when this sh*tstorm eventually blows over and sanctions ease, their chances of resuming those energy sales that prop up their economy will have gone.
Yes they can flog it to the likes of China and India, but no longer being able to play the price structure off against the likes of Europe to get the best price means those remaining markets may say will pay this or go elsewhere.

Ninthace 13th May 2022 18:57


Originally Posted by Fly-by-Wife (Post 11229839)
Well that will help their income - not.

The reason given us that Finland has not paid the bill for the last lot of electricity. Of course, if Finland learns to do without the 10% from Russia, they are far less likely to go back as a customer in the future unless the deal is advantageous to them.

Beamr 13th May 2022 18:57

The Russian electricity export to Finland is roughly 800MW. The new Finnish Olkiluoto 3 nuclear plant opening this summer is 1600MW and there is wind power construction worth of 2800MW going on in a couple of years time span.

The Russians can keep their energy.

Beamr 13th May 2022 19:54

Ukraines defence minister Oleksii Reznikov is planning to bring a million men and women in arms.
They are really looking to make the 3:1 outnumbering to throw the invaders out of country. I love their commitment, we as west need to provide the hardware.

Ukraine’s goal is to “restore our sovereignty and territorial integrity within the internationally recognised borders”, he said.
Reznikov added that he was “focusing on the need to provide for one million people who will be facing the enemy”.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...083b856379a24d

NutLoose 13th May 2022 20:03


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11229407)
There was footage last week on here of a recovered Brimstone rocket motor that the Russians had found.

Will that will be this one? Though it doesn’t look fired.



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