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Originally Posted by Tengah Type
(Post 11232907)
The main problem, as I see it, is Train hundreds of tons and Ship thousands of tons per load . Also Odessa to Middle East a bit shorter route rather than through Gdansk. But needs must.
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Originally Posted by Tengah Type
(Post 11232907)
The main problem, as I see it, is Train hundreds of tons and Ship thousands of tons per load . Also Odessa to Middle East a bit shorter route rather than through Gdansk. But needs must.
In principle you can join two of these together with a locomotve in the middle. If you look at the figures for aggregates being moved in the UK then you are looking at several 100,000s of thousands of tonnes being moved per month. from Somerset to the SE and London. (Though not the same distances as involved with areas such as Ukraine and Russia.) |
Originally Posted by AndySmith
(Post 11232912)
The other issue is that Ukraine has a different gauge to the rest of Europe (it has the Russian gauge - something to change once this is over), so everything going by rail has to be transferred to different waggons at the border - I believe (if a radio item I heard recently is correct).
Whilst many areas of Poland and Hungary are converting lines to standard gauge (1434mm), both countries have seen reopenings of 1520mm lines in the last decade or so. |
Originally Posted by AndySmith
(Post 11232912)
The other issue is that Ukraine has a different gauge to the rest of Europe (it has the Russian gauge - something to change once this is over), so everything going by rail has to be transferred to different waggons at the border - I believe (if a radio item I heard recently is correct).
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I'm embarrassed for NATO, USA and the West. Some woman and bloke steals Russian fuel truck for local hospital under the noses of those scary terrible Russians.
Makes you wonder what have happened if NATO had stood it's ground 12 years ago. |
Originally Posted by peter we
(Post 11232938)
they change the wheels/bogies i believe. Its routine.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11232859)
I am intrigued by the current rush to supply Ukraine with Harpoon to “lift the blockade”. I am aware that ships are not moving at present but is there a blockade as such in place? I thought the issue was more one of the chances of bumping into a mine. I have not seen any reports of Russian vessels actually actually interfering with shipping and I am not sure how effective a missile that is limited to 250 km can be.
Later edit: a partial list of incidents collected from Wikipedia: Yasa Jupiter — The bulk carrier, owned by the Turkish Ya-Sa Holding, was struck by a missile fired by Russian forces in the Black Sea off Odessa, Ukraine on 24 February 2022 and was damaged. She was on a voyage from the Dniepr to Constanța, Romania. Millennial Spirit — The chemical tanker was shelled in the Black Sea off the coast of Ukraine on 25 February 2022. Its crew of ten were rescued. Namura Queen — The cargo ship was struck in the Black Sea off the coast of Ukraine by a missile fired by Russian forces on 25 February 2022. There was no casualties reported and ship remains afloat. Afina - On 26 February 2022, the bulk carrier was captured by Russian forces near Snake Island en route to Constanța, Romania. It was later released. Princess Nikol - On 26 February 2022, the bulk carrier was captured by Russian forces near Snake Island en route to Constanța, Romania. Banglar Samriddhi — The bulk carrier belonging to the Bangladesh Shipping Corporation was struck by a Russian missile at Mykolaiv and was set afire on 2 March 2022. One crew member, third engineer Hadisur Rahman, was killed. Helt — The cargo ship, owned by the Tallinn-based Vista Shipping Agency, sank off the coast of Ukraine on 2 March 2022, likely after striking a mine. The Panama Maritime Authority later reported that the ship was sunk by a Russian missile. Four crew members were initially reported as missing and were later found. Also reported to have been captured by the Russian Navy and used as a shield against Ukrainian shellfire. Lord Nelson — The Panama Maritime Authority reported that Russian missiles had damaged the Panamanian-flagged Lord Nelson. The ship remains afloat with no casualties reported. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...vilian_vessels |
Well, that’s going to up the anti and free up the Black Sea
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Watch this to see how bad it is
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Zelenskyy says 90% of the pilots that risked all to deliver food, water, ammo, weapons to Azovstal Mariupol defenders, allowing them to hold for weeks, did not return……
8.44 p.m: Ukrainian defenders at Azovstal managed to last that long thanks to the heroic sacrifice of Ukrainian pilots, who were secretly delivering food and water to the besieged still mill, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in an interview with Ukrainian media. "Unfortunately, a very large number of our pilots died. Absolutely heroic people who knew how difficult it was to fly to Azovstal and bring them medicine, food, and water," Zelensky said. The President said that there were no air corridors to the Azovstal plant due to the strong Russian air defense systems in the area. “Helicopter pilots for many weeks were flying there, knowing that 90% do not return… Imagine what these people did. They flew there to give food, water, and weapons to Azovstal defenders and took away the wounded. We lost many pilots. They are absolutely heroic, "Zelensky stressed. |
And there, ladies and gentlemen er… folks, is the reason that Ukraine were looking into heavy lift UAVs.
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It's not - they used to use the seaports and now they have to use a stressed rail network and load/unload at the border.
Food / Ukraine |
Originally Posted by jolihokistix
(Post 11233036)
And there, ladies and gentlemen er… folks, is the reason that Ukraine were looking into heavy lift UAVs.
In the meantime sanction busting Thermal imaging matrix made in France found in the latest Russian UAV https://mezha.media/en/2022/05/20/a-...-uav-orlan-10/ . |
State of play of the Aircraft damaged along with the AN225
https://mezha.media/en/2022/04/03/go...-antey-ruslan/ |
I posted the below in JB, but may be of interest here:-
The linked article is interesting- an interview from 1998 where an ex-Soviet Bioweapon Colonel talks about weaponising https://apple.news/ApH9pUVjmSd-795j8eqmJyg Also interesting is the map of countries with outbreaks - the non-African ones are mostly suppliers of weapons to Ukraine |
the non-African ones are mostly suppliers of weapons to Ukraine https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-vs-causation/ |
Ohhh dear, nevermind
I’m sorry, but Germany WTF are you doing? That’s only an initial 15 out of 50 promised and in JULY!!!! And 4 ,000 rounds per vehicle, that is 3.6 minutes of ammunition per vehicle. I know Brazil is supplying ammo but has it been delivered? https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-del...uly/a-61880311 Ukraine will receive 15 anti-aircraft "Gepard" tanks from Germany in July, a German Defense Ministry spokesperson said Friday. Included with the arms delivery will be training support by the German Armed Forces and the provision of nearly 60,000 rounds of ammunition, Germany's dpa news agency reported. .. |
July? We got Bushmasters to Ukraine in a couple of weeks from Oz! July?
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
(Post 11233237)
July? We got Bushmasters to Ukraine in a couple of weeks from Oz! July?
Bet they would come running back for ‘assistance’ if there was a Barbarossa in reverse! |
Patriot missile defence systems to #Slovakia
This has enabled Slovakia to give its S300 system to Ukraine.
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