Is Ukraine about to have a war?

[Tartiflette Fan]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

This might give you an idea,

The following video is of MOD Kineton which is supposedly the largest ammo depot in W Europe
At 4:40 they do show some of the internal storage and the stocks are on pallets. Whatever the ammo is it is in very large boxes, so not bullets/shells I would say. At 8:10 other storage of smoke grenades are shown.

You Tube

[NutLoose]

Yes, but you are talking Russians, heck, if half of the army hasn't seen an indoor toilet, a forklift will be from a different world. Remember you are talking about a military that took their taxyways with them when they departed East Germany.

You have to remember we are not talking about prepared ammo dumps, but dumps set up on the fly so to speak, near enough to the front line to supply daily use and larger dumps to the rear to feed those. one thing they have had was manpower and that comes cheap to them, forklifts and a pallet system is extra money to steal.

See the link for images
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2017/0...rms-depot.html

This is an islamic state one but I bet it will be similar

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[c-bert]

Paveway 4 - says so on the tin

[ORAC]

Russian logistics….

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-19t...ds-11655218602

[Tartiflette Fan]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

You have to remember we are not talking about prepared ammo dumps, but dumps set up on the fly so to speak,

Not necessarily. I'm not going to go back and check, but some of those very large depots were referred to as being between two and four years old. It was really this type I was curious about. Since these were established as strategic depots, were the crates just dumped on the ground open to the elements or stocked in special warehousing.? Thinking back to the early weeks of the war, I recall comments about the very high percentage of munitions (rockets/bombs ? ) that didn't explode ( 40% ), so perhaps this wasn't entirely due to technical failures, but also miserable storage.

[NutLoose]

Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan

Not necessarily. I'm not going to go back and check, but some of those very large depots were referred to as being between two and four years old. It was really this type I was curious about. Since these were established as strategic depots, were the crates just dumped on the ground open to the elements or stocked in special warehousing.? Thinking back to the early weeks of the war, I recall comments about the very high percentage of munitions (rockets/bombs ? ) that didn't explode ( 40% ), so perhaps this wasn't entirely due to technical failures, but also miserable storage.

And you think they will have stored them any better than the vehicles with their rotten tyres that they used for the invasion and that failed left right and centre?


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[ORAC]

https://twitter.com/chriso_wiki/stat...74byL_drZGnnEQ

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...536755200.html

Marcin @Wyrwal of onet.pl has published a fascinating piece on how Ukrainian software developers are using artificial intelligence (AI) to improve the aim of their bomber drones. It deserves attention in English, so here's a 🧵 to summarise it…..

[NutLoose]

This has got to take some sustaining, "firing from 50,000 to 75,000 rounds of ammunition per day."

Twitter

Well done Russia, excellent shooting

https://twitter.com/AMRAADfdg/status/1547538567970553857


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[rattman]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

This has got to take some sustaining, "firing from 50,000 to 75,000 rounds of ammunition per day."

Isn't that considered a BS number, they have allegedly used 9 s-300 SAM in ground strikes today

[Tartiflette Fan]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

And you think they will have stored them any better than the vehicles with their rotten tyres that they used for the invasion and that failed left right and centre?


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Good point, although i might have imagined that they would>

[ORAC]

Combat forklifts…..

https://twitter.com/trenttelenko/sta...bkFZu6JuJvBs9Q

[NutLoose]

Originally Posted by ORAC

Combat forklifts…..

But when you are struggling to even supply basics such as fuel and food to your troops, niceties such as this are a long way down your list of prorities, even if it was in Russian service, which it is not.

[rattman]

Originally Posted by ORAC

Combat forklifts…..

manatou (manortwo) for australians or a telehandlers for overseas

[Video Mixdown]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

But when you are struggling to even supply basics such as fuel and food to your troops, niceties such as this are a long way down your list of prorities, even if it was in Russian service, which it is not.

I would put it the other way round. It is because they cannot provide such essential equipment in the first place, let alone maintain it and prevent it from being stolen, that their whole operation is such a s**t show. It is a microcosm of Russian society.

[Lonewolf_50]

Interesting logistics train and interception mentioned here.

Twitter

I infer from that brief post that someone figured out that it was going through Qatar, not to Qatar.

[uxb99]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

This has got to take some sustaining, "firing from 50,000 to 75,000 rounds of ammunition per day."

https://twitter.com/RisingSC_taiwan/...96646760542209

Well done Russia, excellent shooting

https://twitter.com/AMRAADfdg/status/1547538567970553857


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Nothing new. Didn't we loose a Tornado in Afghanistan in similar circumstances?

[Chugalug2]

Originally Posted by uxb99

Nothing new. Didn't we loose a Tornado in Afghanistan in similar circumstances?

Yup, a known issue with the IFF failing to warn the crew of it failing. Still pressed into service against urgent advice to the contrary, blue on blue as sure as night follows day. Result, two more avoidable deaths as well as the loss of a valuable aircraft to boot.

[Jobza Guddun]

UXB99, Chug,
That was Kuwait 2003 but your sentiment is correct.
RIP Kev and Dave

[langleybaston]

There is a strange and deluded narrative emerging in the media, suggesting that, if Russia causes a European winter crisis by cutting off energy, the Ukraine will somehow be persuaded to seek terms.

The leverage is very thin: the principal countries providing help to Ukraine are either not likely to budge because of conviction, and/ or because of less vulnerability. The likes of Germany and Italy easing sanctions would certainly help Russia, but not to the extent of influencing the Ukraine. France, who wisely retained nuclear energy when most others flinched, might make soothing noises from the side-lines, but only to drown the sniggering at Germany's come-uppence. Merkel has a great deal to answer for.

[Lordflasheart]

Red on Red

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Tornado ZG710 23 March 2003

An historic office decision that it was not necessary to warn the crew that their IFF was not working. A known problem, identified and condoned, around five years earlier.

"Breaking the Military covenant - Who speaks for the Dead ?" by David Hill.

Chapter 20

More than two years earlier (Jan 2001) ....

"XD1 ruled that it was acceptable to:

• Deliver an aircraft with the IFF failure warnings not integrated.
• In the knowledge it was unsafe, falsely declare that it was safe.
• Permit a non-engineer to overrule the engineering design/safety decisions of the person holding airworthiness and technical delegation."

Killed by official default. Glossed over by the Board of Inquiry. No-one called to account. One of many similar ignorant or stupid office decisions that inevitably ended badly on real-world operations.

I doubt whether Russian military short-comings involve such a high level of sophistication.

IIRC - Ironically, about the same time, a returning F-16 was lit up by a Patriot radar. Pilot fired off an ARM which destroyed the Patriot radar. "That's the way to do it."

LFH