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Old 4th Jul 2022, 12:19
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The fact that one of his gripes was allegedly the positioning of NATO up against his borders if Ukraine joined, his attempt to take Ukraine as "part of Russia" would have then have had the same effect.
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Excellent article in today's Times by Edward Lucas:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/o...ammo-3mrp5pn3t
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Originally Posted by skua
Excellent article in today's Times by Edward Lucas:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/o...ammo-3mrp5pn3t
Sadly pay-walled, but the message is clear enough in the first few sentences. Are we surprised? The Falklands stretched a few resources, and GW1 highlighted bigger NATO-wide issues...remember the Belgian 1000lb bombs saga?
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I could believe it, and the fact that Russia is looking at / starting to mobilise their industries for the long haul does not bode well while we sit on our arses and debate it, time to rebuild Gretna?
The problem facing Ukraine is as they run out of Soviet munitions and become more reliant on Western technology, they need supplies to keep that technology fed and if we do not replenish those stocks for both Ukraine and ourselves we are all firked. That is probably one reason why the West is drip feeding Ukraine, where what was actually needed was a large input to kill the invasion in its tracks..

https://news.storyua.com/news/29804.html
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If Ukraine wants to keep its worthy cause before the world it will have to end its media censorship, which in its own way is as rigid as Russia's. Have a look at this excellent article in the I newspaper. Hushing up one's losses gives a clear message that we're doing fine, rather than brave Ukraine is taking a hammering .because of its limited supplies.

In a nutshell, various war reporters say that Kyiv manipulates the media via laminated Press passes without which reporters cannot operate; a Dutch reporter was expelled from Ukraine for live streaming a Russian strike on Odessa; when a later missile strike on Kyiv was filmed by a score of international TV crews the censors moved in so that this hit in the heart of the capital had never been mentioned.

Ukraine justifiably fears giving away its secrets, but "reporters need to do their work to keep its perilous position in the forefront of the world's mind".

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Originally Posted by Geriaviator
If Ukraine wants to keep its worthy cause before the world it will have to end its media censorship, which in its own way is as rigid as Russia's. Have a look at this excellent article in the I newspaper. Hushing up one's losses gives a clear message that we're doing fine, rather than brave Ukraine is taking a hammering .because of its limited supplies.
But why would you, if you release them it could have a negative effect on moral etc, Russia does not release theirs, the figures you see are Ukrainian estimations or those based on photographic evidence of knocked out vehicles.
Releasing figures of your own casualties and losses in an area would be working to the Russians advantage, as they can then estimate the effect of their actions as they will be aware of their own losses.
They will also have an estimate of the forces opposing them, so by telling them how many you have lost they can re-estimate your disposition and take advantage of weaknesses in the line.
A bad move and to be frank, firk the press.
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I accept all you say except the last sentence: A bad move and to be frank, firk the press.

This is a media-savvy world with phones recording every incident and video clips circling the world in seconds. Like it or not, bad news makes the headlines, happy stories all too often just don't. Many have found that blacklisting the Press results in the Press ignoring you -- until it finds something you don't want published ...
Time will tell, don't you wonder why Ukraine no longer commands the headlines.
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[QUOTE=NutLoose;11255907]Eurasiantimes is reporting that TASS are saying 4 off the SU57 are operating in stealth mode, possibly over Russia to take out the Ukrainian Air Defences. whether true or not i do not know.


One might ask the how much of a reach they would have over Russia territory and the possible success over or near Ukranian territory. It would seem the turn back to base would expose a rather large radar signature. Pretty sure I could get a return painted on my 737 weather radar at 10+ miles following behind it on a "peaceful" day of course.


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On the Military aspect, I'm a strong supporter of the "Need to Know" principle. However, in this bizarre conflict, perhaps other factors might apply...such as PR, foreign support, political and economic leverage. This is not a "normal" war: whatever Putin wants to call it does tend to throw a lot of basic principles out of the window.
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Originally Posted by Geriaviator
I accept all you say except the last sentence: A bad move and to be frank, firk the press.

This is a media-savvy world with phones recording every incident and video clips circling the world in seconds. Like it or not, bad news makes the headlines, happy stories all too often just don't. Many have found that blacklisting the Press results in the Press ignoring you -- until it finds something you don't want published ...
Time will tell, don't you wonder why Ukraine no longer commands the headlines.
That's the same with anything news wise, headline today gone tomorrow... when was the last time you heard about Covid in the headlines, probably just before the press hopped on the Ukraine War story, you still get dribs and drabs re covid, but Ukraine has now been kicked off the front page by energy prices etc, though to be honest they are linked to the War.
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Prime ministers of Czech republic and Slovakia announced that Czech Air Force will take over the protection of Slovak air space in September. This will enable Slovakia to retire Mig-29 and deliver them to Ukraine. Possibility to send our tanks was also mentioned.

On a side note we are more than happy that we will get rid of Russian contractors/technicians who are servicing them on our Sliač Air Base. They were considered a security threat already before this war and if we deliver our 12 fighters to Ukraine we can finally send Russians home.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato...o-ukraine.html



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New footage of HIMARS in action

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato...ia-region.html
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Originally Posted by Geriaviator
I accept all you say except the last sentence: A bad move and to be frank, firk the press.

This is a media-savvy world with phones recording every incident and video clips circling the world in seconds. Like it or not, bad news makes the headlines, happy stories all too often just don't. Many have found that blacklisting the Press results in the Press ignoring you -- until it finds something you don't want published ...
Time will tell, don't you wonder why Ukraine no longer commands the headlines.
This highlights one of the problems

https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukraini...-50254187.html

During a briefing, the head of the press center of the security and defense forces of the operational command of the South, Nataliya Gumenyuk, said that only the military can comment on the advance of the Ukrainian troops.

“Any analysts, deputies, other political or just active figures at the moment only do harm with such statements…” Gumenyuk said.

Firstly, it does not correspond to reality, and secondly, it disorients our people, the local population. It harms not only the military operation, but the image of those who say such things.”

Earlier, the UK weekly newspaper The Economist reported, citing a Ukrainian military intelligence officer, that the forward units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were within sniper range (about a kilometer) of the outer suburbs of Kherson.
Read also:
Invaders call kidnapping of mayor of Kherson his ‘neutralization’During the previous week, the General Staff announced the liberation of two villages in Kherson Oblast – Potiomkyne and Ivanivka. Operational Command South stated that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are slowly pushing the Russian invaders back.

The troops of the Russian Federation are being forced back to reserve lines, the Ukrainian military said.
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STFU remains a sound principle.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...ing-occupation

Long but interesting article on constant Russian border creep (borderization) in Georgia/Ossetia.

(In my mind I see parallels with Israeli settlers’ view of Palestinian farmlands.)
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I would certainly be a lot more concerned than that Ukrainian soldier standing in the open about the billowing smoke from the HIMARS launch. It's probably as toxic as hell.
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Originally Posted by MPN11
STFU remains a sound principle.
As does "careless talk cost lives"

Nothing new under the sun
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Russia has set up Corner Reflectors to protect the Crimea Bridge.


How they work

https://www.irvingq.com/irvingq-prod...oy-system-fds/
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Eurasiantimes is reporting that TASS are saying 4 off the SU57 are operating in stealth mode, possibly over Russia to take out the Ukrainian Air Defences. whether true or not i do not know.


One might ask the how much of a reach they would have over Russia territory and the possible success over or near Ukranian territory. It would seem the turn back to base would expose a rather large radar signature. Pretty sure I could get a return painted on my 737 weather radar at 10+ miles following behind it on a "peaceful" day of course.

Thier "stealth" is generally considered abysmal from all angles, its best is the front, which is not saying much
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Old 4th Jul 2022, 22:05
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Originally Posted by Geriaviator
If Ukraine wants to keep its worthy cause before the world it will have to end its media censorship, which in its own way is as rigid as Russia's. Have a look at this excellent article in the I newspaper. Hushing up one's losses gives a clear message that we're doing fine, rather than brave Ukraine is taking a hammering .because of its limited supplies.

In a nutshell, various war reporters say that Kyiv manipulates the media via laminated Press passes without which reporters cannot operate; a Dutch reporter was expelled from Ukraine for live streaming a Russian strike on Odessa; when a later missile strike on Kyiv was filmed by a score of international TV crews the censors moved in so that this hit in the heart of the capital had never been mentioned.

Ukraine justifiably fears giving away its secrets, but "reporters need to do their work to keep its perilous position in the forefront of the world's mind".
that journalist is an imbecile.
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