Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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Bidens speech at the nato summit, he announced
countries will provide Ukraine with:
- about 140 thousand anti-tank systems
- more than 600 tanks
- almost 500 artillery systems
- more than 600 thousand shells
- advanced MLRS
- anti-ship systems
- air defense
It’s official. The United States has provided, or soon will provide guided artillery shells to the Ukrainian army.
The 155-millimeter-diameter Excalibur shells, which home in on GPS coordinates and can strike enemy vehicles in forests, revetments and alleyways, could help the Ukrainians to chip away at the Russian army’s firepower advantage in Ukraine.
An unnamed U.S. Defense Department official confirmed the Excalibur provision in comments to reporters Monday. “So as you know, we're conducting training out of Ukraine and Germany and England,” the official said.
“And so, we've got everything from maintenance courses that we're running, continuing to train on the employment of artillery systems, both HIMARS [rocket launchers] and howitzers. We're working on Excalibur employment, and that's our big stuff.”
The 155-millimeter-diameter Excalibur shells, which home in on GPS coordinates and can strike enemy vehicles in forests, revetments and alleyways, could help the Ukrainians to chip away at the Russian army’s firepower advantage in Ukraine.
An unnamed U.S. Defense Department official confirmed the Excalibur provision in comments to reporters Monday. “So as you know, we're conducting training out of Ukraine and Germany and England,” the official said.
“And so, we've got everything from maintenance courses that we're running, continuing to train on the employment of artillery systems, both HIMARS [rocket launchers] and howitzers. We're working on Excalibur employment, and that's our big stuff.”
Last edited by rattman; 30th Jun 2022 at 20:47.
"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
Large exchange of prisoners , let’s hope for more goodwill gestures and some peace .
Peace cannot be beyond the grasp of those who desire peace . Now that both sides are nearing political consensus that using artillery against civilians is barbaric and must be stopped . The path to peace is almost invisible in the fog of war , but path to peace is still there . We should not have to wait until the last man is standing to find a peaceful solution .
Peace cannot be beyond the grasp of those who desire peace . Now that both sides are nearing political consensus that using artillery against civilians is barbaric and must be stopped . The path to peace is almost invisible in the fog of war , but path to peace is still there . We should not have to wait until the last man is standing to find a peaceful solution .
In 2014 when ethnic Russians were being cleansed from their farms with artillery, now the Russians have a few shells off target and people are now in agreement that people being slaughtered with Artillery is not very pretty or nice . Nobody asked the mayors opinion when it was just ethnic Russians being killed for eight years . Silence from them . They ignored the pleas of farmers , why should we hear their pleas now ? Who spoke out for Justice then . Not you . Who ?
More weapons will create more dead . A perfect recipe for more death just add more weapons and let them sleep walk into more War .
As Rudyard Kipling wrote :
If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied.
More weapons will create more dead . A perfect recipe for more death just add more weapons and let them sleep walk into more War .
As Rudyard Kipling wrote :
If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...ality-liveblog
WTF are they even contemplating letting him travel outside Russia. I couldn’t give a **** about diplomatic immunity, would you let Hitler travel.
WTF are they even contemplating letting him travel outside Russia. I couldn’t give a **** about diplomatic immunity, would you let Hitler travel.
Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States, and the European Union.
I can see him arranging to travel on a Chinese aircraft and I'll predict that nobody will shoot that down. (Xi has his back, somewhat).
Quite a lot I read were from Mariupol and severely wounded, so it makes sense as they must be struggling as it is with their own wounded.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...er-swap-of-war
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...er-swap-of-war
Who is in the G20? Let's see:
Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States, and the European Union.
I can see him arranging to travel on a Chinese aircraft and I'll predict that nobody will shoot that down. (Xi has his back, somewhat).
Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States, and the European Union.
I can see him arranging to travel on a Chinese aircraft and I'll predict that nobody will shoot that down. (Xi has his back, somewhat).
Would Putin be happy to walk out of Russia while there is any chance of a coup in absentia?
Think the principle is the same as area bombing in WW2, just shorter range weapons.
They are using Soviet era munitions, accuracy is probably accidental. Think that is why they like to smother the target areas with artillery, that way it all gets hit, the military stuff along with hotels, theaters and supermarkets...
Think the principle is the same as area bombing in WW2, just shorter range weapons.
Think the principle is the same as area bombing in WW2, just shorter range weapons.
Last edited by cheekychimp; 30th Jun 2022 at 22:37.
"A few shells off target " You have extremely strange perception. You quote Kipling and his last line is :
"Tell them, because our fathers lied."
Well in this piece it wasn't only the fathers lying. Read back about all the pure housing districts destroyed by shelling. Do you recall that theatre in Mariupol (?) where was written in huge letters "KIDS" (in Russian ) because it was a collection centre for children. Result - the bastards you are talking for, excusing,- bombed it, possibly killing 600.
https://apnews.com/article/Russia-uk...41b506afcac7a1
Did you choke on your excuses as you wrote them ?
"Tell them, because our fathers lied."
Well in this piece it wasn't only the fathers lying. Read back about all the pure housing districts destroyed by shelling. Do you recall that theatre in Mariupol (?) where was written in huge letters "KIDS" (in Russian ) because it was a collection centre for children. Result - the bastards you are talking for, excusing,- bombed it, possibly killing 600.
https://apnews.com/article/Russia-uk...41b506afcac7a1
Did you choke on your excuses as you wrote them ?
They are using Soviet era munitions, accuracy is probably accidental. Think that is why they like to smother the target areas with artillery, that way it all gets hit, the military stuff along with hotels, theaters and supermarkets...
Think the principle is the same as area bombing in WW2, just shorter range weapons.
Think the principle is the same as area bombing in WW2, just shorter range weapons.
I think you are a Putin supporting troll.
Last edited by cynicalint; 1st Jul 2022 at 07:04.
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.” “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.
The purpose of War is peace Sun Tzu
If you do not know the other side or appreciate their issues , how will you ever make peace with them ?
The purpose of War is peace Sun Tzu
If you do not know the other side or appreciate their issues , how will you ever make peace with them ?
Only half a speed-brake
Russia can have peace with as many nations as they haven't invaded with military yet.
For the rest of us, we just want them out and focused towards a different point of compass.
Go on, nachui.
For the rest of us, we just want them out and focused towards a different point of compass.
Go on, nachui.
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!!! Smothering a target with artillery is a pure and simple war crime. Smothering the 'target' with artillery does not conform to the Geneva Convention. The principle in WW2 of 'area bombing' is a red herring. Civilian collateral damage is not an acceptable policy just to 'that way, all gets hit'.
I think you are a Putin supporting troll.
I think you are a Putin supporting troll.
Ukraine estimates about 30,000 Russian troops killed to date, their losses are probably the same, plus add the same number or more of wounded, so easily over 100,000 dead and wounded soldiers to date.
The civilian deaths from this conflict to date are around 5000, according to the UN High Commission on Human Rights. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ualties-daily/)
I don't think that is true, extensive artillery is the norm for dealing with fortified and build up areas. However, the numbers to date suggest real effort to avoid civilian casualties.
Ukraine estimates about 30,000 Russian troops killed to date, their losses are probably the same, plus add the same number or more of wounded, so easily over 100,000 dead and wounded soldiers to date.
The civilian deaths from this conflict to date are around 5000, according to the UN High Commission on Human Rights. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ualties-daily/)
Ukraine estimates about 30,000 Russian troops killed to date, their losses are probably the same, plus add the same number or more of wounded, so easily over 100,000 dead and wounded soldiers to date.
The civilian deaths from this conflict to date are around 5000, according to the UN High Commission on Human Rights. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ualties-daily/)
LOL what rubbish, theres 20K killed/missing from mariopole
Honestly you are dribbling ****.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Sanctions starting to bite. Car production just about zero, and presumably that also maps across to trucks, buses, tractors… and tanks.
Only cars still being produced are basic models with no air bags, ABS, locking seat belts, radios or electronics…
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...-report-2022-6
Automobile manufacturing in Russia (thousands)
Dec 2021: 126,0
Jan 2022: 95,1
Feb 2022: 108,0
Mar 2022: 40,9
Apr 2022: 19,9
May 2022: 3,7
Out of 24 plants operational before February 24, only two are still operating.
Only cars still being produced are basic models with no air bags, ABS, locking seat belts, radios or electronics…
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...-report-2022-6
Automobile manufacturing in Russia (thousands)
Dec 2021: 126,0
Jan 2022: 95,1
Feb 2022: 108,0
Mar 2022: 40,9
Apr 2022: 19,9
May 2022: 3,7
Out of 24 plants operational before February 24, only two are still operating.