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Old 29th Jun 2022, 13:05
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Originally Posted by rattman
Nope norway closed it borders preventing resupply of russian towns near Svarlsbard

https://tass.com/world/1472785

rattman. Not sure I buy that one. Why not resupply directly from Murmansk? Considering it's TASS reporting, I'll take it with a large handful of salt.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 13:23
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Originally Posted by Herod
rattman. Not sure I buy that one. Why not resupply directly from Murmansk? Considering it's TASS reporting, I'll take it with a large handful of salt.
Well, if they were doing by truck that must be their preferred method, so it's logical that they get upset if that's interrupted and I therefore think your salt is unwarranted.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 13:25
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
And will likely be a high value/high payoff target from the PoV of the Russian artillerists/rocketeers and aircraft.
Of course. Does that mean however, that you think they would be better off without them ?
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 13:27
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Well, if they were doing by truck that must be their preferred method, so it's logical that they get upset if that's interrupted and I therefore think your salt is unwarranted.
The article states goods are transported by truck and then sea. I doubt it will cause much of a problem unless this is an ice-free passage.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 13:43
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Stoltenbeg just had a press conference and said that NATO has invited Finland and Sweden to join NATO.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 14:34
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France to supply 6 more Caesars, significant quantities of APC's and are looking at supplying Exocets

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-28-22/h_7ea43ee9673957a79390ce311f31861b



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Old 29th Jun 2022, 14:48
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
USA sending two sqns of F35 to the UK.

https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/st...90005916557318
Two additional F-35A squadrons..........wonder where they'll put them then!

They'll fit one additional one at LN, but two?

No where else to put them now, unless one goes next door to Mildenhall.
Can't see one going to Fairford, but its the only other option now, as while the USAF still, just about, has a presence at Alconbury, they no longer have a runway!!

Perhaps they should think about buying Upper Heyford back PDQ....
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 15:25
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Of course. Does that mean however, that you think they would be better off without them ?
Not at all.
As they only have a few of the units (six reported) and their enemy shoots back, the use of these high dollar assets may be curtailed if the enemy has a good day.
There's also the matter of ammo supply.
I can't comment on how effective the Russian sensor-to-shooter link is because I don't know.
They still have aircraft, and I suspect that they still have satellites in orbit, which suggests to me that Ukraine may operate under a few constraints regarding when they can move those units into an open firing position as we see in the little film. (I expect that launcher system got out of their PDQ after that salvo went off. It leaves quite the signature).
I will do a bit more digging, but the drone and counterdrone aspect of this conflict is the most pressing area of ignorance I need to remedy (for my own understanding).
If the Russian drones have been neutralized, or they are running out of them, it puts their Army at a substantial disadvantage tactically. If a little drone sees a launch like that, then a counter battery mission (of some sort) probably won't be long in coming.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 16:30
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Not at all.
As they only have a few of the units (six reported) and their enemy shoots back, the use of these high dollar assets may be curtailed if the enemy has a good day.
There's also the matter of ammo supply. I can't comment on how effective the Russian sensor-to-shooter link is because I don't know. .
It's difficult to know who is referring to which donations, but I think they may well have more than 20 now. There are these 6 and also:

" Germany and the Netherlands will donate 12 Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine.." and another few I believe have been pledged by countries I don't recall.

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12 German self-propelled Pzh 2000 howitzers are reportedly now in use in the Ukraine’s ongoing war with Russia.

The news of the German self-propelled PzH 2000 howitzers in Ukraine was reported by journalist Paul Ronzheimer on Monday, June 27."


"Canada to donate 20,000 155mm artillery rounds to Ukraine _ Defense News May 2022 Global Security army industry _ Defense Security global news industry army year 2022 _ Archive News year"

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Old 29th Jun 2022, 17:28
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
It's difficult to know who is referring to which donations
I was referring to the HIMARS. Future contributions may also occur, sure.
In other news.
Son of AGS has arrived.
The US Army has blown hot and cold on replacing the Sheridan (light, air droppable) tank for a few decades.
They dropped the 'air droppable' requirement and have finally, after a seven year long process, selected the General Dynamics Lands Systems {name to be selected later} that has a lineage including the Griffin II and ASCOD.
Allegedly, you can pack two of them into a C-17 and take them anywhere a C-17 can land. With the MRAP event in Afghanistan a few years ago, shifting cargo of heavy vehicles, I hope they wring out the handling/cargo securing bits before their first deployment. What interested me (in terms of how it relates to this thread) was how the requirements were informed by certain events ... from the link ...
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The MPF program itself had first emerged as part of a broader shift in focus within the Army, and the U.S. military as a whole, toward being better prepared for more conventional conflicts in light of Russia's seizure of Ukraine's Crimea region in 2014 and its subsequent support for separatists in that country's eastern Donbas region.
The question I have is: how well does this weapons system deal with drones?
Tanks are vulnerable to air launched munitions from the top down.
While this likely won't reach IOC until a few years from now (systems integration being something that has to be done first) it's either a 'more deployable/less heavy tank' (38 tons versus 70 ton Abrams) or it's just another target for pilots and drones.
For a nice picture of the new tank/target, here is a link. (https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/202...=70&width=1920)

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There is also the U.K. MLRS and now Norways to be delivered. Ukraine has 12 at the moment.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/the-united...rs-to-ukraine/

https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuel...ina/id2921395/


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Old 29th Jun 2022, 18:18
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
) it's either a 'more deployable/less heavy tank' (38 tons v
So just a few tonnes lighter than the T 72/80/90 then ( 42 - 45 tonnes ).
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 20:09
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Well they pickled Nelson in Brandy or Rum to return him home, having this chap pickled in Vodka simply cuts out the middleman when they return him home.
Rum: it's what they drank(rum ration). Which is why it's known as Nelson's blood.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 21:48
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Surely if one drinks rum, one uses brandy for pickling?

Me? Asbach Uralt brandy, with a tiny dash of cabernet sauvignon .... a mere tickle.
I still have an unopened bottle of NAAFI Remy Champagne Cognac I got in Germany in the late 70’s, also a Bacardi Gold same era.
We gave a couple of civi MT drivers a lift back in a Chinook with the Chevy estate they went out to RAFG to bring back, one of them brought a 3 litre bottle of Asbach with the wrought iron stand in the Chevette, we warned him he would be stung on the duty, but the kind customs bod at Manston smiled and let it through.. we were floored.

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Old 29th Jun 2022, 21:55
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Part time conflict

I have noticed that many of the surveillance and refuelling fleet only arrive mid morning from various EU bases to take up station over Poland and Romania. Anyone know why?
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 22:09
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How about RAF Marham?

Originally Posted by GeeRam
Two additional F-35A squadrons..........wonder where they'll put them then!

They'll fit one additional one at LN, but two?

No where else to put them now, unless one goes next door to Mildenhall.
Can't see one going to Fairford, but its the only other option now, as while the USAF still, just about, has a presence at Alconbury, they no longer have a runway!!

Perhaps they should think about buying Upper Heyford back PDQ....
How about RAF Marham?
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 22:17
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Originally Posted by mpenage
How about RAF Marham?
or the carriers?
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Old 30th Jun 2022, 03:16
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Originally Posted by Johnboyle007
I have noticed that many of the surveillance and refuelling fleet only arrive mid morning from various EU bases to take up station over Poland and Romania. Anyone know why?
Coffee first, mission later.
It is the EU after all.
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Old 30th Jun 2022, 04:47
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Coffee first, mission later.
It is the EU after all.
Well, if its good enough for Turkiye, Finland & Sweden to cut a deal then....
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Old 30th Jun 2022, 06:22
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Coffee first, mission later.
It is the EU after all.
Might be a bit of a drive from the hotel to their operations base.
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