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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 1st Jul 2022, 07:35
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Sanctions starting to bite. Car production just about zero, and presumably that also maps across to trucks, buses, tractors… and tanks.

Only cars still being produced are basic models with no air bags, ABS, locking seat belts, radios or electronics…

https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...-report-2022-6

Automobile manufacturing in Russia (thousands)

Dec 2021: 126,0
Jan 2022: 95,1
Feb 2022: 108,0
Mar 2022: 40,9
Apr 2022: 19,9
May 2022: 3,7

Out of 24 plants operational before February 24, only two are still operating.
Luckily demand has tanked. Even chinese exports of cars to russia has gone down, something like 80 million in man 2021 to 30 million in may 2020
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Luckily demand has tanked. Even chinese exports of cars to russia has gone down, something like 80 million in man 2021 to 30 million in may 2020
80 Million? Shurely shome mishtake?
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Originally Posted by fitliker
In 2014 when ethnic Russians were being cleansed from their farms with artillery, now the Russians have a few shells off target and people are now in agreement that people being slaughtered with Artillery is not very pretty or nice . Nobody asked the mayors opinion when it was just ethnic Russians being killed for eight years . Silence from them . They ignored the pleas of farmers , why should we hear their pleas now ? Who spoke out for Justice then . Not you . Who ?
More weapons will create more dead . A perfect recipe for more death just add more weapons and let them sleep walk into more War .
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Yet another example of fallacious arguments using rhetoric instead of logic. Is Russian education so bad that they think that drivel like this is going to have any effect other than on the driveller?
Using the same argument, but applying logic, Russia should learn from the 'mistakes' in history and avoid them towit retreat now and restore the damage done.
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 08:29
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Originally Posted by Economics101
80 Million? Shurely shome mishtake?
miss read it march was 187 milllion, April was 84.6 May 32 million. It was a russian news report so guessing its in rubles
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Fitliker - Putin could stop the war today, retreat from Ukraine and instantly establish peace. But since he is a warmonger determined to show the world how 'strong' he is, that seems vanishingly unlikely.

There is only one person responsible for the slaughter.........
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Ukraine estimates about 30,000 Russian troops killed to date, their losses are probably the same. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ualties-daily/)
Have to admit that you really are a top-level apologist - hope your remuneration reflects this. Even in this innocuous-looking sentence you seek to insert your propaganda. Where do you get the figure of 30 000 Ukrainian KIA ? Isn't it a basic military tenet that attackers are going to suffer much greater losses when attacking an enemy who has had time to prepare defences - this presumably being even more pronounced with unseasoned conscripts.? Or did you perhaps include the 600 children from the Mariupol theatre in this count ?
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Ukrainian forces have shot down a Russian transport helicopter attempting to save remaining forces on snake island.
More on this
https://www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric...ke-island.html

The Ukrainian military shot down Russia’s Ka-52 ‘Alligator’ helicopter over the Black Sea, when it was approaching Snake Island.

The relevant statement was made by the South Operational Command on Facebook, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

“The day before, one of four helicopters, presumably Ka-52, which was approaching Snake Island in the evening, was hit and fell into the sea, between Snake Island and the Odesa gas condensate field,” the report states.

According to the South Operational Command, Russians attempted to organize a rescue operation, but their helicopter joined the missile cruiser Moskva, which had sunk earlier.

In order to reduce the intensity of Ukraine Army’s rocket and artillery fire on Snake Island, Russian troops twice attacked the Black Sea coast area in the south of Odesa Region with Su-35 fighters. The enemy aircrafts fired three Kh-31D missiles. No casualties or damage were recorded.

In the Black Sea, the enemy’s naval group now consists of two missile ships and two large landing crafts. They continue to blockade the north-western part of the Black Sea but keep a far distance, as they became vulnerable after Russia’s air defense on Snake Island was destroyed.

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A Ka-52 isn't a transport helicopter so maybe a separate incident?

Interesting to see that the remaining Russian troops used 'small craft' to leave the island, presumably because anything big would have attracted the attention of Ukrainian ASM forces?
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Brown trousers time.

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"MiG-29 multi-role fighters as part of the unit guard the air borders of Ukraine"

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Ukraine ready to start conscripting women.

deleted my comments - was not happy with the dates involved (old news) but I will leave the link

https://bykvu.com/ua/bukvy/iakshcho-...aty-za-kordon/
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
A Ka-52 isn't a transport helicopter so maybe a separate incident?

Interesting to see that the remaining Russian troops used 'small craft' to leave the island, presumably because anything big would have attracted the attention of Ukrainian ASM forces?
Several reports early on put it as a transport, but it appears it was escorting the transport helicopters in their ill fated rescue mission, fog of war I suppose.

On a side note I noticed in one of the latest US aid listings a load of boats, I did wonder if they were related to the Island as they say they can be used in close costal waters

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/us...160016510.html

film of them clobbering the island, they also took out a small boat used in the evacuation apparently


Pictures of what was hit and the 5 rescue boats used at the dock.


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Old 1st Jul 2022, 12:54
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I fear I may be heading on the wrong path towards peace as recent statements from Dr. Kissinger are congruent to what I have said .
Interesting that very little of what he has said has been reported by Fleet Street papers .
Mercy unto the Merciful

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Old 1st Jul 2022, 13:27
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Not sure what we're looking at hear, or whether it relates to the Kerch bridge:
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This is the bridge, The Russians are using smoke producing trucks to simulate attacks by Ukraine, allowing smoke to drift across the bridge. From other sources it would appear that this is some kind of tear smoke which irritates the eyes, I would expect other non-lethal actions to compliment the exercise. Not only for retreating from Ukraine mainland but also from Crimea in the event of it being overrun.



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Old 1st Jul 2022, 14:10
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Originally Posted by rattman
LOL what rubbish, theres 20K killed/missing from mariopole

Honestly you are dribbling ****.
The UN data is what seems most solid for civilian deaths, but no argument that the numbers could be much worse, given the estimated 6 MM refugees from the war.
These people left because of fear of death.
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 14:15
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Not sure what we're looking at hear, or whether it relates to the Kerch bridge:
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/...SAMuec08A&s=19
Are they trying to utilise a smoke screen to hide a well-known target, in these times of GPS targeting?
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Have to admit that you really are a top-level apologist - hope your remuneration reflects this. Even in this innocuous-looking sentence you seek to insert your propaganda. Where do you get the figure of 30 000 Ukrainian KIA ? Isn't it a basic military tenet that attackers are going to suffer much greater losses when attacking an enemy who has had time to prepare defences - this presumably being even more pronounced with unseasoned conscripts.? Or did you perhaps include the 600 children from the Mariupol theatre in this count ?
Senior Ukrainians have said their casualties are 100-200 deaths/day, the war has been going on for well over 100 days and in an artillery war, the defenders suffer comparably to the attackers, as shown at Verdun.
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Originally Posted by etudiant
The UN data is what seems most solid for civilian deaths
Yes, but that's just what they can confirm with certainty. They don't have access to places like Mariupol to check each recently burried person and determine the cause of death and if they were military or civilian. For that reason, every UN report mentions that they believe the real figures are considerably higher:

OHCHR believes that the actual figures are considerably higher, as the receipt of information from some locations where intense hostilities have been going on has been delayed and many reports are still pending corroboration. This concerns, for example, Mariupol (Donetsk region), Izium (Kharkiv region), Popasna, Lysychansk, and Sievierodonetsk (Luhansk region), where there are allegations of numerous civilian casualties.
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Originally Posted by etudiant
Senior Ukrainians have said their casualties are 100-200 deaths/day, the war has been going on for well over 100 days and in an artillery war, the defenders suffer comparably to the attackers, as shown at Verdun.
only in the Donbas region since the Russian push.
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