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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 28th Jun 2022, 20:52
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Originally Posted by etudiant
Hard to see six howitzers making an impact, unless they really have 'silver bullet' shells.
Well they are not the first units sent, but of course, you may normally use your "blind eye " when reading about supplies to Ukraine.

They have longer range, are much more accurate than Soviet artillery and so are a force multiplier able to threaten ammo dumps, command posts and the artillery doing so much damage to the Ukrainian forces.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 20:59
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Don't forget Spain was the proving ground for the Nazi war machine. So who's training who?
Here it is just a NATO refresher course, verifying that the various smart gear purchased at some expense in the past two decades is operationally effective.
Despite Putin's fears, it seems very unlikely that NATO will launch an invasion of Russia.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 21:05
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Well they are not the first units sent, but of course, you may normally use your "blind eye " when reading about supplies to Ukraine.

They have longer range, are much more accurate than Soviet artillery and so are a force multiplier able to threaten ammo dumps, command posts and the artillery doing so much damage to the Ukrainian forces.
And are the best platform for use of excalaber rounds which are now rumored that US has withdrawn its objection and any country that has can supply if they chose
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 21:41
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Originally Posted by rattman
And are the best platform for use of excalaber rounds which are now rumored that US has withdrawn its objection and any country that has can supply if they chose
And they can fire salvos of six rounds in a row which by altering trajectory hit the target simultaneously. Which makes for quite a big blast.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 22:02
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Originally Posted by henra
And they can fire salvos of six rounds in a row which by altering trajectory hit the target simultaneously. Which makes for quite a big blast.
MSRI is the term (multiple rounds simultanious impact) and heres the science behind ithttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214914717300600

Casar can do 3 round MSRI PzH-2000 can do 6
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 22:11
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
For fdr: I think you'll find that Corn Cob Doug's success at Inchon/Incheon was in 1950. It was part of a Police Action under UN auspices.
D'oh! CCD had a .32 ACP Colt 1903, S/N 372130, given to him by Westpoint. Mixed my metaphors... calibers. "'n 45 should be 'n 32... "

The "land of the morning calm" may be a preview of the outcome in Ukraine, should Russia not reverse its unfortunate choice of camping grounds. departing out of Gimpo or Incheon to the east was always interesting at night, off to the south is a sea of light and associated activity of an industrious country. off to the north, jet black darkness. Not a good look. A similar paranoia exists in NK as in Russia or is at least applied as a casus belli.

Kherson is a potential Incheon parallel, but then, should Belarus become a card-carrying player again for Russia, then Ukraine faces its own problems there. The north border is pretty well surveilled nowadays, so surprise is not likely.


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Old 29th Jun 2022, 06:20
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Russia destroyed a shopping mall with a cruise missile. Looking at that video it is one big missile. Resembles of kh-22 which would make it air launched and that TU-22M's are in theatre.

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Old 29th Jun 2022, 06:39
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https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...ukraine-2022-6


Russia has most likely been launching heavy 1960s-era anti-ship missiles into Ukraine, which could cause mass casualties, Ukrainian and British officials have warned.

The UK Defense Ministry said the 5.5 ton Kh-22 missile was designed to destroy aircraft carriers using a nuclear warhead. The agency warned that using the missile in ground attacks "can cause severe collateral damage and casualties," because it's inaccurate. However, the agency did not specify where these missiles are being used.

The ministry added that it thinks Russia is relying on these missiles because it's running short of more precise modern missiles.
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And as a side note, this morning Russian hackers are attacking Nowegian goverment and financial websites.
So far the website of the Workplace Safety Authority, the main citizen-goverment portal. (Where we can communicate with all goverment functions on the web) and the national login sollution for banks are down.

All confirmed by the gov.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 08:28
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This dude Igor Ivanovich Strelkov is formerly the head of and arguably central to the separatist breakaway of the Donbas. He’s also on a war crimes list for being involved in shooting down that airline

He’s no less against Ukraine but has become more and more scathing of Putins handling of the war. He has quite a busy Telegram channel. One of his latest…

“During yesterday's day and last night, the enemy, hiding behind weak rearguards, carried out a quick withdrawal from Lisichansk and its environs. In some areas, the retreat of the enemy was so fast that the units of the LDNR Armed Forces were not able to closely pursue him due to the almost complete absence of military wheeled and tracked vehicles.
Currently, fierce battles are only taking place "in the neck" of the bag, where the enemy holds positions in order to give way to as many of his troops as possible. Up to half of the city has already been abandoned by the enemy, it is being cleaned up. The enemy also abandoned their positions on the Seversky Donets north of Lisichansk, and our units had already crossed the river there.
Apparently, the battle for Lysichansk will end during the current (or a little longer) day, and the general operation - this week.
The operation will end when our troops, pursuing the retreating units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, hit the newly organized defense line near Seversk.

In general, the enemy has already suffered and will inevitably suffer heavy losses during the retreat (primarily in technology). But he will retain the bulk of the experienced manpower. In this case, on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the primacy of military expediency over political propaganda is evident. From the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - a tactical victory. - The creation of a "cauldron" with the complete destruction of the Svereodonets-Lisichanskaya enemy grouping was not achieved, despite all efforts and very sensitive (in the aggregate for a month and a half) losses. As a "plus" - Lisichansk will not be destroyed to the ground during long street battles.

In general - our "tortured" Lisichansk.”
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 08:38
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Details of the deal struck in Madrid are slowly beginning to emerge:
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 09:17
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Originally Posted by M609
And as a side note, this morning Russian hackers are attacking Nowegian goverment and financial websites.
So far the website of the Workplace Safety Authority, the main citizen-goverment portal. (Where we can communicate with all goverment functions on the web) and the national login sollution for banks are down.

All confirmed by the gov.
Can the west not simply cut off all of the main western feed streams linking the internet to Russia? I know they have their own system and there will be lots of feeds going in, but that would cause havoc and may cause an overload on the remaining feeds.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 09:22
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Can the west not simply cut off all of the main western feed streams linking the internet to Russia? I know they have their own system and there will be lots of feeds going in, but that would cause havoc and may cause an overload on the remaining feeds.
But ... would the West lose the ability to mine for information?
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 09:29
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Proof of the HIMARS use deep behind Russias lines in their temporarily controlled Ukraine



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Old 29th Jun 2022, 10:28
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Originally Posted by M609
And as a side note, this morning Russian hackers are attacking Nowegian goverment and financial websites.
So far the website of the Workplace Safety Authority, the main citizen-goverment portal. (Where we can communicate with all goverment functions on the web) and the national login sollution for banks are down.

All confirmed by the gov.
It seems the Russian hackers have got their geography wrong. The instruction was probably to attack Sweden and Finland. Scandinavia? Close enough.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 10:28
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Not questioning the value of this "resolution" of the NATO membership addition of the Swedes and Finns but it seems that few opportunities to stiff the Kurds are ever missed.
Having your homeland split between Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria is definitely sub-optimal.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 10:59
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Originally Posted by Herod
It seems the Russian hackers have got their geography wrong. The instruction was probably to attack Sweden and Finland. Scandinavia? Close enough.
Nope norway closed it borders preventing resupply of russian towns near Svarlsbard

https://tass.com/world/1472785
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 11:30
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I take it the adjusting of the angle of dangle during launching is to change the flight profile of the weapons, thus ensuring they all arrive on target at once? or is it to give a spread?

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Old 29th Jun 2022, 11:36
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USA sending two sqns of F35 to the UK.

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Old 29th Jun 2022, 12:42
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
They have longer range, are much more accurate than Soviet artillery and so are a force multiplier able to threaten ammo dumps, command posts and the artillery doing so much damage to the Ukrainian forces.
And will likely be a high value/high payoff target from the PoV of the Russian artillerists/rocketeers and aircraft.
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