Is Ukraine about to have a war?
Then proceeded to the classic russian tactic of whataboutism by raising Rwanda and Serbia. Note the people who didn't care about the massacars where the people who sent in peace keeping forces into the areas, meanwhile were there any russian peace keepers there
You are troll, a way more subtle troll but still a troll
You know, I would have agreed with you, if the West was just that white and fluffy as you’re saying. However, we’ve seen examples (Serbia, Syria, Iraq), when you were not. And again, I’m not justifying getting into Ukraine. But probably there’s still something wrong with the international institutions, making some countries more right than the others
Theres a difference I dont claim the west as perfect and I can and do criticise them, but you cant/wont. You are blaming everyone else except those who are ultimately responsible
Congrats you earned your rubles today.
5 of them 😂 I’ll buy myself a piece of bread today, or maybe save it and buy half of your government debt tomorrow, we’ll see. On a serious note, it’s a shame to see reasonable people sticking to one point of view and rejecting all the rest. Hope you have fun in your own little world
Use it buy some shitty offbrand starbucks coffee.
On a serious note, starbucks coffee is so bad, how bad must offbrand starbucks coffee
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Guys step back and take a chill pill, no not everyone in Russia is involved, there are good and bad in all walks of life, the tragedy is a few wealthy greedy people in Russia can throw away the youth of the country and destroy its future and that of Ukraines over greed.
The sad fact is at the end of the day they can’t take it with them and the likes of Putin will now go down in History alongside the likes of Hitler and Pol Pot. Hopefully sooner than later.
now let’s get back on subject please.
The sad fact is at the end of the day they can’t take it with them and the likes of Putin will now go down in History alongside the likes of Hitler and Pol Pot. Hopefully sooner than later.
now let’s get back on subject please.
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Emel makes a valid point on propaganda, the west, after all, had Murdoch's propaganda, Russia has... Russia, less 200 odd journalists and thousands of protesters.
Ukraine also has it's spin on stuff, and that is in self-defense. That Ukraine is acting in self-defense is incontestable. Remove the aggressor, and the war doesn't happen. This war is not about port access for the Black sea fleet, it is certainly not about care for Russian-speaking Ukrainians.... they are the ones that have been press-ganged into service as cannon fodder for the Russian forces. The Russian speakers have been shelled, bombed, murdered, and raped in various combinations of that series by the Russian forces, so there is no truth to the purported reason to have one Russian boot in Ukraine. Russia under a former mid-level and middling competence intelligence apparatchik, elevated beyond his competency by Yeltsin and then conniving to concentrate all real power in his own pocket along with billions in sovereign wealth... takes an "easy" option to rerun the walkover of Crimea. This war is owned 100% by Putin, and those that have facilitated his concentration of power in his hands.
This days indiscriminate rocket attack against an urban shopping center by Russia speaks volumes as to the brutality of the Russian regime. There is no justifiable military value in that attack, it is purely brutal, and indeed the term evil seems to fit quite appropriately. Ukraine has been extraordinarily restrained in their response, and that is understandable given the caveats that will exist with the support that has been provided them. It is telling that the fire safety of Russia, and the rail safety of Belarus seem to have declined somewhat, which speaks to the fact that indeed, some Russians and Belarusian citizens do not take the actions of Putin to be in their name.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edmund Burke, “Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents” (1770)
That gets rephrased as "for evil to triumph.... etc..." you get the point though.
The Russian dissidents are in a tough position, but it is your country, it is your leader that conducted aggressive war, it is Putin that ascribes the nazi term to his victim, while indeed reverting to tactics of mass executions, devastation of nonmilitary civilian infrastructure and urinates on the Geneva Convention. Refer to E. Burke, (or E. Blackadder) for the inevitable opinion of much of the world to the actions of the great mass of Russian citizenry.
Ukraine also has it's spin on stuff, and that is in self-defense. That Ukraine is acting in self-defense is incontestable. Remove the aggressor, and the war doesn't happen. This war is not about port access for the Black sea fleet, it is certainly not about care for Russian-speaking Ukrainians.... they are the ones that have been press-ganged into service as cannon fodder for the Russian forces. The Russian speakers have been shelled, bombed, murdered, and raped in various combinations of that series by the Russian forces, so there is no truth to the purported reason to have one Russian boot in Ukraine. Russia under a former mid-level and middling competence intelligence apparatchik, elevated beyond his competency by Yeltsin and then conniving to concentrate all real power in his own pocket along with billions in sovereign wealth... takes an "easy" option to rerun the walkover of Crimea. This war is owned 100% by Putin, and those that have facilitated his concentration of power in his hands.
This days indiscriminate rocket attack against an urban shopping center by Russia speaks volumes as to the brutality of the Russian regime. There is no justifiable military value in that attack, it is purely brutal, and indeed the term evil seems to fit quite appropriately. Ukraine has been extraordinarily restrained in their response, and that is understandable given the caveats that will exist with the support that has been provided them. It is telling that the fire safety of Russia, and the rail safety of Belarus seem to have declined somewhat, which speaks to the fact that indeed, some Russians and Belarusian citizens do not take the actions of Putin to be in their name.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edmund Burke, “Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents” (1770)
That gets rephrased as "for evil to triumph.... etc..." you get the point though.
The Russian dissidents are in a tough position, but it is your country, it is your leader that conducted aggressive war, it is Putin that ascribes the nazi term to his victim, while indeed reverting to tactics of mass executions, devastation of nonmilitary civilian infrastructure and urinates on the Geneva Convention. Refer to E. Burke, (or E. Blackadder) for the inevitable opinion of much of the world to the actions of the great mass of Russian citizenry.
Not a good look for the Russian Army or for Putin….
Western social media will allow and in many cases often encourage contrary points of view. Of course if you are Russian and want to dispute the official line the penalty is 15 years in jail. Funny how the Putin apologists don’t seem eager to talk about that……
I won't comment on other things but how on Earth did you came to conclusion it is a civil war?!? Do you really believe Ukraine is Russia which is just taking back "own" territory?
Only half a speed-brake
Back to the scheduled programming..., slightly
Aviation content - Baykar corporation (yet again) refuse to accept fund raised / crowd sourced payment for 3 drones and giftes them instead.
Condition being the cash pot is redirected to humanitarian aid for Ukrainian people.
Aviation content - Baykar corporation (yet again) refuse to accept fund raised / crowd sourced payment for 3 drones and giftes them instead.
Condition being the cash pot is redirected to humanitarian aid for Ukrainian people.
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If I may offer some insight: that point of view, which you question, may be informed by a perspective that the current war in Ukraine (initiated in February of this year) is related to, and indeed a continuation of, the internal conflict within Ukraine that has been ongoing since about 2014 - when Russia annexed Crimea - and during which a Malaysian airliner was shot down. (If you do even a cursory search, you will find threads on the R&N section of PPRuNe involving that tragic incident, and the subsequent Dutch investigation of that).
While I cannot read that poster's mind, a variety of informed observers of the current conflict see that relationship in one form or another.
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If I may offer some insight: that point of view, which you question, may be informed by a perspective that the current war in Ukraine (initiated in February of this year) is related to, and indeed a continuation of, the internal conflict within Ukraine that has been ongoing since about 2014 - when Russia annexed Crimea - and during which a Malaysian airliner was shot down. (If you do even a cursory search, you will find threads on the R&N section of PPRuNe involving that tragic incident, and the subsequent Dutch investigation of that).
While I cannot read that poster's mind, a variety of informed observers of the current conflict see that relationship in one form or another.
If I may offer some insight: that point of view, which you question, may be informed by a perspective that the current war in Ukraine (initiated in February of this year) is related to, and indeed a continuation of, the internal conflict within Ukraine that has been ongoing since about 2014 - when Russia annexed Crimea - and during which a Malaysian airliner was shot down. (If you do even a cursory search, you will find threads on the R&N section of PPRuNe involving that tragic incident, and the subsequent Dutch investigation of that).
While I cannot read that poster's mind, a variety of informed observers of the current conflict see that relationship in one form or another.
Fair enough, I don’t really care if you believe me or not, that’s just my point of view. Nothing to do with the government, but couldn’t care less 😂 There’s still a big difference in my point of view between Georgia and Crimea, but that’s simply because one of my best friends is from the South Ossetia, the kind of Georgian breakaway region. And I do realize that sovereignty is a very complicated question, with some people trying to build their own state, and the others trying to keep them within their borders. There’s really no simple answer to that, try almost any country in the world.
Removing your ability to commit genocide will negate the need to persuade you that it is wrong.
As said above, the blurb on the Web gives its range about 8 Km, but then again you do not put out the true capability of your weapons, I did think though as it was approaching perhaps they should have waited a little longer, but they are the ones that know what they are doing 
