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Old 22nd May 2022, 06:32
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Where do they dig up troops keen enough to be turned to oil stains?

If at first, you don't succeed,
bleed, bleed, bleed, again....

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Old 22nd May 2022, 08:03
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Further to our discussion on the efforts to move Ukraine's grain:

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A tale of one Thales and how their equipment subject of an embargo since 2014 is turning up in all of the newer Russian kit.


and another German porkie comes to light unearthed by the German Press

https://news.storyua.com/news/19759.html

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Totally agree.





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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Making concessions to Russia is just appeasement.

Appeasing tyrants only emboldens them further.

Have we learned nothing from history?
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Originally Posted by albatross
I was wondering if the Ukranians have tried using RC “toy” cars/trucks as mobile claymore mines? Easy to conceal in the underbrush ready to dash out towards a passing enemy. Some of them are fast, have good range and large enough to carry a hefty load which, detonated under an armoured vehicle or amongst dismounted troops, would cause considerable damage. Even just a few would, if successful, give the Russian hordes something else to worry about.
Thought about today watching TV and saw a kid using one.
Done in a Dirty Harry Movie eons ago!!!!

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Old 22nd May 2022, 13:41
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Originally Posted by Herod
Gentlemen; this thread is rapidly becoming music to Mr P's ears. Let's lay off slagging other countries and being downbeat about the result. As for negotiating, I suspect Zelensky's final line is "you get out of Ukraine or we will, over time, grind you down."

The West is still united,albeit some giving more than others. Perhaps the arms being held back will prove very useful on the Finnish/Russian border.

Call me a deluded optimist, but I still believe that Ukraine is going to win.
Quite so! Let us not render the Kremlin's bots redundant. They do provide entertainment and an insight into Russian disinformation and propaganda techniques.

My understanding of the Ukrainian position is that ALL Russian gains in Ukraine must be relinquished - including those of 2014.

President Zelensky frames ultimate victory as the result of terms which will be set following the battlefield victory. This is a wise approach which shows attention to detail and an uncompromising attitude. Strength and resolve.

Strength and resolve...it would be good to see more evidence of that from Germany. With regard to helping the defenders of Ukraine.
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Old 22nd May 2022, 14:33
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A very good read as to why Ukraine can win and counters those that disagree.

https://kyivindependent.com/national...the-situation/
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Originally Posted by ICATQ
It’s almost as if Germany is not too keen to upset their Russian friends too much.

Bet they would come running back for ‘assistance’ if there was a Barbarossa in reverse!
I somehow get the impression SDP/Scholz got some "support" from Russia, to win the election, with Russia having some secret information about those in charge now. Think about Trump 2016.

And Germany can't refuse towards NATO to supply armament. So, yeah, just a little contribution towards Ukraine.
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Originally Posted by baron_rouge
This has enabled Slovakia to give its S300 system to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1527656545403666433
Let's hope the deliverers turn their satnav off, and they end up in Ukraine. Patriots would be very useful to keep the SU57 from flying missions.
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Old 22nd May 2022, 16:26
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Originally Posted by etudiant
...... That assumption may be in error, as the 'break the back' comments of the US Defense Secretary suggest that a clear defeat of the Russian invasion is the US/NATO objective.

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Not to say, the Russian state is that evil, that, IF not rolled up, it'll rematerialize their weapon systems and "try again".
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Originally Posted by Expatrick
I am afraid you are reading it correctly.

And the compromises necessary? Ukraine split in half?
Splitting Ukraine in half, won't solve the fundamental issue of the evil Russian state, armoring up and try again in a few years.
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Old 22nd May 2022, 16:40
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
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As I said when it kicked off the west should have sent in NATO peacekeepers to assist, in reaction to Russia claiming they were sending theirs.. the whole bloody war would have been thwarted..
While I agree, that NATO should have been sent in (ehhh, invited by) Ukraine at a large scale, (with the simple message: "If you touch/hit NATO stuff, we go after you",) the NATO is not a peace keeping organization. That's the UN, where the peacekeeping action is blocked due to the Russian "Njet" Veto.
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
Russia will be made to pay for the damage and repairs needed for some time to come.
Originally Posted by GlobalNav
At least that’s what we hope. Over the years post-war international agreements have been disappointing.
Originally Posted by NutLoose
A tale of one Thales and how their equipment subject of an embargo since 2014 is turning up in all of the newer Russian kit.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...18055046062080

and another German porkie comes to light unearthed by the German Press

https://news.storyua.com/news/19759.html
Or so to say, we have some more funders for the Ukraine rebuild.

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Old 22nd May 2022, 16:48
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
A very good read as to why Ukraine can win and counters those that disagree.

https://kyivindependent.com/national...the-situation/
With $40B, you can do a lot in a war, so, yeah, certainly realistic.

The worrying thing is, that Russia is gaining ground in the Donbas, very slowly, though micro step, by micro step, with progress. Until the whole of Luhansk/Donetsk has been occupied and Russia "integrates" these areas administratively in Russia, making this whole area out of recover reach, out of fear for the Nukes.

So, the implementation of the $40B needs to come fast, very fast. Oh, and please roll-up Russia too, otherwise, we have another encounter in 10 years.
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Originally Posted by WideScreen
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The worrying thing is, that Russia is gaining ground in the Donbas, very slowly, though micro step, by micro step, with progress. Until the whole of Luhansk/Donetsk has been occupied and Russia "integrates" these areas administratively in Russia, making this whole area out of recover reach, out of fear for the Nukes.
Sadly I agree the Steamroller seems to be winning ground. But the longer perspective remains faintly optimistic if UKR can be sustained with hardware. As for crossing into RF ... forget that thought, please.
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Originally Posted by WideScreen
With $40B, you can do a lot in a war, so, yeah, certainly realistic.

The worrying thing is, that Russia is gaining ground in the Donbas, very slowly, though micro step, by micro step, with progress. Until the whole of Luhansk/Donetsk has been occupied and Russia "integrates" these areas administratively in Russia, making this whole area out of recover reach, out of fear for the Nukes.

So, the implementation of the $40B needs to come fast, very fast. Oh, and please roll-up Russia too, otherwise, we have another encounter in 10 years.
I don’t think the threat of nukes after an illegal claim that it is now Russia is a go’er..

As for the £40 billion, I just cannot understand the levels of resistance in some posts on the web from US citizens, somewhere they seem to miss the fact that a lot of it entails arming Ukraine with American weapons that are being produced in the USA, so a lot of that money is going into the US economy generating jobs at home.
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Old 22nd May 2022, 17:34
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I don’t think the threat of nukes after an illegal claim that it is now Russia is a go’er..

As for the £40 billion, I just cannot understand the levels of resistance in some posts on the web from US citizens, somewhere they seem to miss the fact that a lot of it entails arming Ukraine with American weapons that are being produced in the USA, so a lot of that money is going into the US economy generating jobs at home.
Of course you are correct and let's not forget the possibility that this war could ultimately be comming to a town near you/us if Russia is not totaly fixed. Few politicians in Europe impress with their grasp of that point when it comes to short term self interest. Stand by for war fatigue and fracturing of unity
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Old 22nd May 2022, 18:04
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
A very good read as to why Ukraine can win and counters those that disagree.

https://kyivindependent.com/national...the-situation/
‘Those who say Ukraine can’t win don’t understand the situation’
Lets face it, if the Ukrainians can't beat the Russians without more help and I am sure they will, the West canot afford to let Putin win this one.

So one way or another, the Ukrainians will win.

Slava Ukraini

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Old 22nd May 2022, 18:53
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Originally Posted by John Marsh
Quite so! Let us not render the Kremlin's bots redundant. They do provide entertainment and an insight into Russian disinformation and propaganda techniques.

My understanding of the Ukrainian position is that ALL Russian gains in Ukraine must be relinquished - including those of 2014.

President Zelensky frames ultimate victory as the result of terms which will be set following the battlefield victory. This is a wise approach which shows attention to detail and an uncompromising attitude. Strength and resolve.

Strength and resolve...it would be good to see more evidence of that from Germany. With regard to helping the defenders of Ukraine.
If it is possible, Russia should be chopped into smaller parts. Minus all the other nations it absorbed before this.
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