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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 6th Apr 2022, 11:27
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Some reinforcements are refusing to take part apparently



Nice one Belarusian Railway workers, that'll take some recovering

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Old 6th Apr 2022, 11:38
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Drop tank?

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Old 6th Apr 2022, 11:39
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Some reinforcements are refusing to take part apparently
Old news? Something similar was reported a few weeks ago.

Nice one Belarusian Railway workers, that'll take some recovering
Shame they couldn't have diverted them into Poland by mistake, and the Poles then ship them to the Ukrainians.
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 11:45
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A little bit of payback...

Article & video etc In the lunchtime edition of The Times

Ukrainian forces use Russians’ ‘blazing sun’ thermobaric weapon against them

Ukrainian soldiers have captured a Russian rocket launcher capable of firing thermobaric weapons and used it against invading troops for the first time, according to officials.


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That's occupied Modova


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Old 6th Apr 2022, 12:57
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Originally Posted by Beamr
a priori he could. But if both the parliament and government decides in favour of joining NATO, it would be highly unlikely that the president would then refuse to sign the document.

The reason for the process is that the president is the highest authority in foreign policy, and joining or not joining a military alliance is a very strong foreign policy statement. Therefore his name needs to be in the application.
But the decision to apply for the membership needs to come from the parliament, namely the majority of parliament needs to support the membership. Then it goes to the government which then presents it to the president, which makes decisions in co-operation with the government.

Parliamentary democracy at its finest.
This isn't really any different from our own monarch having to give the final approval to anything passed by parliament, in practice, it's unlikely to happen, but it's there as a safeguard I guess.
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 13:17
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Why do people keep going on and on about the UN, as if it has any relevance or influence in this conflict? The votes are only useful to determine which states support Russia - helpful when it comes to investment decisions, where to holiday etc.
Kind of my point. See the last 3 words.

Whatever you or I may think of it, it is the international body that is supposed to carry some weight and the Russians & Chinese use it to their advantage.
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 15:03
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
That's occupied Modova
Well good luck resupplying them by air (or land for that matter). Transnistria is effectively cut-off and any transport aircraft would either have to fly over Ukrainian-held territory, or Romania.

If anything is going on their its either a ploy to tie down Ukrainian forces, or some desperate scheme to try and get these forces out so that they can be added to the mix in the Donbas.

Didn't I read there's only a couple of thousand Russian troops in Transnistria, and not much in the way of hardware?

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2000 apparently, I would imagine being now cut off their situation is fraught supply wise, one commentator said they had full access to western and Ukrainian TV and the Web, I bet they are happy where they are and do not want to go anywhere as they know more than those being shipped in from the east.. The last thing you want is 2000 disgruntled guys telling your conscripts as they mingle, the truth.
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Totally agree.
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Originally Posted by etudiant
Russia has been careful to keep all its contractual obligations .
I think not. The contracts all call for payment in Euros ( per German press ) so Putin's threat to cut off "unfriendly" countries unless they pay in roubles is completely uncontractual;
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
You are astonishingly bellicose - thank goodness not in a position of power. Contrary to your opinion this is stiil a local problem, but obviously with the potential to become a lot worse, which your options would guarantee. I think the current actions are mostly right as they are hurting Russia badly, but don't give Putin any real excuse to expand his war. The next steps are banning Russian oil and gas imports, but given the price rises hitting all populations for all goods, it's not certain that politicians - particularly in Germany - are willing to take that step.
This is most definitely not a 'local' problem'! What effect do you think this is having and is going to have on the GLOBAL economy and security situation? How many countries will be impacted by the millions of refugees that this is causing?

If you think Putin needs an excuse to expand this war or to start any other war, then you haven't been paying attention.
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
If you think Putin needs an excuse to expand this war or to start any other war, then you haven't been paying attention.
Well it's not that he needs an excuse, but would find it impossible to ignore any too obvious affront to his majesty and would feel obliged to strike back.
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Originally Posted by etudiant
Russia has been careful to keep all its contractual obligations and Germany has been careful to try to do likewise. I've seen no evidence that Russia wants to cut off Europe's gas lines, but they do want to get paid as well.

Of course. Meeting contractural requirements are the highest priority, because through them you thrive. Wouldn’t want anyone to think you won’t honor your promises, I mean, how uncivilized is that? Never mind the commission of wanton murder, rape and pillage, genocide, unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation, and other forms of inhumanity. Just honor your contracts, that’s all that matters.
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