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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 18:48
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Putin suffers from the same syndrome as our friend Adolf. He is a self styled "chosen one" and basically kills anyone close to him who doesn't agree with "the plan". You don't get anywhere with " yes men" Vlad. You should listen to your Military otherwise you will repeat the stupidity of Hitler.
Amazing how bloody daft some of these people are - thank Goodness!!
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 19:19
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Mention of the Starstreak prompts me to ask how long the training for use of that system would be ? I'm guessing that no British military would be deployed in Ukraine, so the trainees would have to come over the border into a NATO country for this training.

Another query is that although this missile is spoken of as being a MANPAD, I have never seen it pictured in a configuration that meets that spec. The Thales YT video shows it vehicle mounted , or as a ground-based launcher of three which is certainly not man-portable: never shown as a single unit.
Didn't look hard enough.

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 21:06
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If you check SM this is being confirmed/repeated in every town and village, as well as the outskirts of Kyiv.

Basically, the Russian forces have been executing every male of military age, between 18 and 65, as they retreat…

And we stand by, because we worry about the price of gas.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 21:08
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Originally Posted by Arfur Dent
Putin suffers from the same syndrome as our friend Adolf. He is a self styled "chosen one" and basically kills anyone close to him who doesn't agree with "the plan". You don't get anywhere with " yes men" Vlad. You should listen to your Military otherwise you will repeat the stupidity of Hitler.
Amazing how bloody daft some of these people are - thank Goodness!!
Hitler and Putin decided to go forward with their plans(they were always going to regardless of advice given). I do say thank goodness, that Hitler did not listen to his military and did things like overstretch his armed forces. He never built much in the way of bombers(imagine if he had). He attacked Russia which sealed his doom(good thing as they are much less populated today than they would have been meaning they are a weaker country versus it being us).

I very much enjoy reading about the corruption in Russia and how it affects their armed forces. It is a huge strategic disadvantage. I hope they stay corrupt. I believe China has a lot of corruption as well. Good. I like the fact that both countries seem to have an inflexibility in thinking that does not allow nimble decisions to be made on the spot by lower-down personnel. Another strategic weakness. I suspect China is getting a good lesson on the hazards of invading a determined country. Taiwan really does need to be provided some good subs to sink carriers and invasion fleets(or else they will need a timely divine wind - if you know your history).

There are some bad people in the world and those who have not embraced the mantra of Peace Through Strength are extremely naive - and dangerous for the west, yet they get elected. It has been obvious for 20 years that Putin and the Russians are a huge threat, yet when a well-known person tells them to cancel Nordstream 2 and spend 2% of GDP on defense, they call him the new enemy because he makes nasty tweets.

Ask yourself something, how can anybody be so incredibly stupid to let countries in western Europe become energy dependent on a huge country running around invading neighbours to take over territory, setting up groups to launch computer attacks around the world, and poisoning people in places in the UK(and even the leader of Ukraine). Yet these people who think they are smarter than the rest of us implement policies like shutting down perfectly good nuclear power plants for no good reason and chasing foolish dreams that result in each of us literally funding this war for Russia with each unit of energy consumed. It is the epitome of stupidity. Unfortunately,, there are a significant amount of people willing to sacrifice our security for fantasy ideas and believe that if we are Neville Chamberlain nice, it will be returned. And soon after the lessons are learned, they are forgotten again.

Let me be clear. If the west was weak, Russia would do to us what they are doing to Ukraine(which has had much of their success to to weaponry from the west). And there is a bigger rival out there. Something to remember the next time there is a choice in a budget between an F-35 and another feel good cause.

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 21:29
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Thanks, very interesting. Although the usefulness of all that WW2 era kit is next to nothing unless someone decides to arm millions of men with anything at hand and have them walk en masse to the front line. And that would not work anyway.

It is somewhat puzzling that they've decided not to use the most produced assault weapon in the world, the AK-47, but instead have provided the Donbass troops with the M91's and maxims. I've no idea what should be thought of it.
Because they sold the Ak-47 to pay for their dacha's,

Mark Felton just released a video on these old weapons where he said ukraine has 35K maxims in storage

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 21:29
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Originally Posted by ORAC
If you check SM this is being confirmed/repeated in every town and village, as well as the outskirts of Kyiv.

Basically, the Russian forces have been executing every male of military age, between 18 and 65, as they retreat…









And we stand by, because we worry about the price of gas.
As has been said many times, we stand by because we worry about the price of intervention. It has nothing to do with gas.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 22:30
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Write up of the Ukrainian Airforce experiences so far, it’s a bit long to copy verbatim so please read it here.

https://babel.ua/ru/texts/77251-the-...um=publication
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 22:52
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Originally Posted by Beamr
this raises the question: what is the oldest western weapon still in active duty within western military (by design and/or manufacturing date)?
BUFF takes the date to 1950's, anything more vintage?
Try the M1917 Enfield, the American modified Enfield P14 of 1914 AKA the No 3 Rifle, which is still used by the Sirius Dog Sled Patrol in Greenland which is an elite Danish naval unit. They use a a bolt action rifle as it is more reliable in the extreme cold than automatic rifles, quite important when you have an angry Pola Bear who sees you as their next meal bearing (no pun intended) down on you.

I have used a P14 from 1914 re-barrelled from .303 to 7.62 and modified to single shot at Bisley at ranges up to 800yds. It is a lovely rifle to use with. It has a modified Mauser action, which is so much better than the Lee Enfield No 4 action, that I have also used, that I wondered how we ever won a war with the Lee Enfield!

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 23:01
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Russian soldiers returning to Belarus from around Kyiv are posting home their looted goods, therefore their identity will be recorded or that of their families. A possible source to identify those involved in war crimes?

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 23:08
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Originally Posted by WB627
Try the M1917 Enfield, the American modified Enfield P14 of 1914 AKA the No 3 Rifle, which is still used by the Sirius Dog Sled Patrol in Greenland which is an elite Danish naval unit. They use a a bolt action rifle as it is more reliable in the extreme cold than automatic rifles, quite important when you have an angry Pola Bear who sees you as their next meal bearing (no pun intended) down on you.

I have used a P14 from 1914 re-barrelled from .303 to 7.62 and modified to single shot at Bisley at ranges up to 800yds. It is a lovely rifle to use with. It has a modified Mauser action, which is so much better than the Lee Enfield No 4 action, that I have also used, that I wondered how we ever won a war with the Lee Enfield!
The Current 7.62 Russian round was designed in 1891 and is still used.

https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/7.62%C3%9754mmR


The 7.62×54mmR is one of the oldest cartridges still in use by any military in the world, and one of the few rimmed bottleneck cartridges still in common use today.The Russian military uses it in the Dragunov SVD, as well as other sniper rifles and general purpose machine guns.
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 04:23
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Kenyan representative to the UN, Martin Kimani, bravo Sir.

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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 06:25
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Originally Posted by etudiant
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Separately, I have to doubt the claim of economic collapse or of food shortages.
Russian trade balance is positive on fish, oils and grains/cereals. On everything else the trade balance is negative. In essence, if Putin is jesus and feeds the population with fish and bread, ok. But will the Russians settle for it?

source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ussia-by-type/

On economics: if the trade balance on oils, fish and grain plummets it has direct impact on economy. Amongst other sanctioned items.
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 08:27
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How many of you want to bet that, at most, two years after all this is done there will be business as usual?
Capitalism has no room for morality. What is happening in Ukraine is bad, but so is in Palestine (by Israel), Pakistan, China, ME and West is conducting business with them without a hitch.
China needs resources for their own economy and they are getting all those African and S. American sources under their own control. West will need to deal with Russia again.
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 08:31
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Originally Posted by admikar
. West will need to deal with Russia again.
You are right, it is as unavoidable as Putins death, Shoigus death, Peskovs death. The mad dictator will eventually die and there will be new regime in Russia. It is up to russians if it is the kind of regime that the rest of the world could trust even a little.
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NutLoose please can I suggest a small flaw about using postal services to track identity of Russian in the postal system. The Belarus is essentially enemy territory and might be reluctant to provide evidence against Russian troops.

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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 09:59
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We shall indeed have to deal with Russia again but, as long as Putin remains in power, there will be limits to that engagement. The truth is that we were completely open to a Russia that was part of the international community and had some form of capitalist economy and were willing to overlook certain excesses of that country - 'it is only the Russians after all - what can you expect, etc?'. Who in their right mind is going to rely on supplies of Russian oil and gas ever again? The harsh reality is that all the people with the big oil reserves are people with an extremely shady human rights record. We can whine all we want, and with good reason, but the bottom line is that the UK (and less publicly several others) have had to go cap in hand to Saudi Arabia to secure oil supplies. No one wants it, but the alternatives are not too great either.
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 10:20
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Having had over a number of years experienced the attitudes of ordinary Russians. It seems that to me that when they come to visit one's country either as a visitor or on business, one is left with the perception that they already "own" your country by their vulgar and arrogant attitude to the citizens, they just have not decided to invade, or annex it yet.

This does not bode well for any future rapprochement.

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Not all of Belarus are in favour, in fact a lot are not into the war, look at the rail system, plus the system could be hacked.

I still think the West need to go in, sorry, but that is how I see it, Define war crime, standing by knowing you can help but choosing not to is in my eyes just as bad.
I see Boris is now wanting to give anti ship missiles to Ukraine, good. but again too late, they should have been given before the attacks on Odessa even started.
I would give them cruise missiles to hit at thge Russian airbases and naval carrying out the attacks

The talks are just that, hot air, Putin will not agree to anything until he has decimated those of military age and destroyed the Countries ability to grow and sustain itself. The one thing that Bucha has shown the male population is they WILL kill them, so they have nothing to lose in fighting back and resistance will be greater.
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 12:55
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Nutty, bang on the button again. Intervention looking necessary sooner rather than later.
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 13:13
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Originally Posted by WB627
I have used a P14 from 1914 re-barrelled from .303 to 7.62 and modified to single shot at Bisley at ranges up to 800yds. It is a lovely rifle to use with. It has a modified Mauser action, which is so much better than the Lee Enfield No 4 action, that I have also used, that I wondered how we ever won a war with the Lee Enfield!
My small rifle club still has one of these heavy target barreled 7.62x51 conv P14 rifles as it's 'club rifle' for guests/probationers to use....its a great target rifle.
However, the old No.4's big advantage as a battle rifle was the sights (less so with the SMLE) the 10 rd capacity and the speed the bolt could be worked in combo with the trigger.
I know I now have old eyes, but how the Germans ever hit anything with a K98k with the poor sights they have amazes me, but they were all 40+ years younger than I am now.
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